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This nomination is no longer an implicit Del vote. -Jerzy(t) 02:41, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC) Vanity stub on a guy apparently acknowledged for one joke filk music performance at a Sci-Fi convention. Deletion will enable demolition of dab structure built to accommodate this article. --Jerzy(t) 08:33, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)

  • Delete. I'm not convinced this, or the related pages, are notable. Average Earthman 11:38, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Ad for a non-notable individual. Notice that it's one sentence and then "go to his page." And then there's the subject of filk that we shall not breach here. Geogre 11:39, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep rewrite. Geogre 13:18, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. In my opinion, the pattern that we see here of 1) a one-sentence statement and an 2) external link with 3) nothing else on the page should qualify generally for a "speedy delete." ---Rednblu 15:45, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I hate newly-created stubs with nothing but an external link. However, I know that Tom Smith is the most notable filker among those who sit around finding rhymes for 'Saruman'. He's had national radio play and albums and such. I don't even care for the genre but I know his name. I'd suggest a trip to cleanup for this entry in the hopes that it can actually be expanded into a useful article. Spatch 16:19, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. Notable in filking circles. Current substub is pretty dire, though. — Gwalla | Talk 17:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I created the stub, hoping that other people who were more in the filk community would fill it in a bit more. Definitely not a vanity stub, though: I created it because of the "Boy and his Frog" reference in the Jim Henson article, and this led to the creation of the Pegasus Awards article. He is hardly known for "one joke performance", as Jerzy seems to think -- he's a multiple-time Pegasus winner.--SarekOfVulcan 19:12, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Please flesh it out some, if you can, during VfD. Some of us take pleasure in changing our votes, and mine was based as much on the one line -> link format as anything (advertising). Also, it would help if some of the non-filk stuff were there, at least for me. Geogre 00:28, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete - more Tom Smith vanity nonsense - Tεxτurε 19:34, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. This is not the User:QIM Tom Smith, by pure coincidence this Tom came up here at the same time. -- Solitude 07:09, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Ummm... how is it vanity if it was created by someone (not the subject)as a reference for another entry?--SarekOfVulcan 20:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Please read: Misplaced Pages:Vanity page. - Tεxτurε 20:23, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
        • Got it. Well, we'll see if I can get other people to come edit it with more interesting information, so it's not a single-editor stub anymore. :-)--SarekOfVulcan 21:17, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • We interrupt this process for an important Howdy.

    Hi! This is Tom Smith. For what it's worth, I didn't create the page, and barely knew of its existence, and wouldn't know it was up for deletion except that someone told me. My only reason for posting this now is a little bit of good-natured self defense.

    I've been writing music and performing (and filking) for about twenty years. I've got seven albums, including a brand-new one just off to the duplicator this week. Larry Niven has compared me with Tom Lehrer; Dr. Demento has featured me on the Funny Five; I wrote the official song for Talk Like A Pirate Day. I've been a guest at about a hundred conventions in the U.S., Canada, and Britain, and have (to my surprise and delight) fans around the world.

    And I genuinely don't know what is meant by "more Tom Smith vanity nonsense". I have one web page to sell my albums, and another for my LiveJournal (note that I am not putting those links here); I don't spam, don't overload rec.music.filk, and don't advertise myself all over other message boards and comment sections.

    If this page goes, it goes. If it stays, it stays. But I did not put it here. I don't need a vanity page. Is all I'm sayin'.

    Thanks,
    Tom
  • I just cleaned up the article. What do you think now? --SarekOfVulcan 00:35, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
It's fine now. I'll bet that if you had waited to post it until you had assembled those three high-quality sentences, it would never have come up on VfD. ] 16:36, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I can't guarantee it wouldn't have been nominated by someone, but it indeed wouldn't have been nominated by me, who in fact nominated it. --Jerzy(t) 02:41, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC)
  • Notable within the filk genre. Keep. Rhymeless 00:50, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep: notable in a widespread, if silly, genre. It appears that this Tom Smith is a different person from the one posting the "QIM" stuff. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:17, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep Seems pretty darn notable to me. I, for one, am glad to see performers like Tom Smith bringing the songs from my favourite books to life. Welcome to the Misplaced Pages Tom!. The Steve 08:46, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. After another Tom Smith added his vanity link to the Tom Smith disambig page, some guy thought the other Tom Smith articles should be deleted as well!! Don't know if that has anything to do with this VfD nomination though. -- Chuq 11:01, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • KEEP, there is absolutely no good reason to delete this page. -- Old Right 16:01, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - The page informs us who Tom Smith the filker is. Informing is what wikipedia is suppose to do! -- Crevaner 16:19, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep in present form. Official song of "talk like a pirate day," Christine Lavin's blessing, testimony of Wikipedians who have heard him convince me of notability. Plus I have got to say that the "we interrupt this process for an important Howdy" note, neatly formatted as a bullet item, coherent and informative, is about the classiest anon comment I've ever seen in VfD. Genuinely helpful in evaluating the situation. ] 16:34, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Heh. I agree. Keep. CHL
  • Keep. Notable. Jallan 15:53, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep I'm pleased to have nominated it for VfD/TbO, now seeing the editing it produced. Dunno, maybe i shouldn't have trusted an obviously lousy article to represent the topic well. --Jerzy(t) 02:41, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC)
  • Keep in this version. JamesMLane 23:08, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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