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Congratulations

On the AHS Centaur article passing its A-class review. It's well deserved. --Nick Dowling 08:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems that if no-one actually objects to the A-class nomination then the article is promoted at the end of the nomination period (which seems to be rather flexible) and the comments on Centaur were really nit-picking. When I was working on bringing Axis naval activity in Australian waters from A-class to FA standard I asked User:Cla68 for his input and advice on the article, which was very valuable. It's probably best to wait a week or so before nominating for FA-status to highlight that the article is stable and to give you some time to have a fresh look at the text. I'll print it out and do a copyedit in the next few days. --Nick Dowling 09:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I just had a go at copy-editing the article but couldn't find too much to fiddle with. The only suggestion I'd make is that it might be interesting to expand the coverage of the female nurses as their deaths seem to have been a particular focus of the wartime outrage and subsequent propaganda but who they were and the public reaction aren't really mentioned in the article. --Nick Dowling 12:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added the only detail on the nurses I have in any of my reference books, but I don't think that it adds much at all, or even if the addition fits into the paragraph's topic and wording. --Nick Dowling 02:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

i loved the article, and had some nitpicks so nitpicky i was going to pop them here instead of wasting discussion space on the main article, but now i'm thinking i won't lol ( i will anyway). especially since several of them are likely american english issues. on the non-english front you are a bit inconsistant with year linkages. the last paragraph, for example you got about 8 years linked, yet in the first four paragraphs no year is linked (only the complete date). as a reader (not an editor or encyclopedian) i'd love to see you drop 1938 and 1941 from paragraph two, the overview is in date order and those episodes are written about in depth in the approriate and dated section. and lastly i'd be interesting in reading about the structure of the memorial pictured. do the plaques explain the design? the link to coolangatta was dissapointingly unhelpfull, and the biblograph reference that seemed the most likely to be informative was a page listing, not an actual link. oh well. sorry for the nits :) Childhoodtrauma 00:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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RE:AHS Centaur reflist

Hey, im pretty sure the code is correct it shows up as two for me, try purging your server cache, if that doesn't work let me know. Hossen27 00:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

nits bvol 2

ok...

>>>Dropping 1938 and 1941. I am confised as to where they are, and where they should be dropped from. Care to whack a block of text in front of me?

again this was a reader reaction not an editor reaction, the initial summary is shoved full of info. So much so that i found myself trying to skim out a few less critical details. those details are covered extremely well in the paragraphs below, so i would think we could do without those dates for sure. so much happened in her history i'm not sure how much more tightening the introduction to her story could stand. read the paragrph without it and if you don't agree ignore the suggestion..

The Scottish-built vessel was launched in 1924 as a combination passenger liner/freighter, and operated a trade route between Western Australia and Singapore via the island of Java, carrying passengers, cargo, and livestock. Centaur served in both civilian and military capabilities, and during her career was involved in towing a damaged Japanese whale-chaser in 1938, and recovering German survivors of the engagement between HMAS Sydney and HSK Kormoran in 1941

on the links to years. i hate em. i'd gut them all. when someone talks about oh janurary 15, 1972 maybe i will take a look at that date, but the year 1932? however it is "wiki" to do so. But consistancy is easier to deal with than inconsistancy. and whatever you decide you will face the possiblity of 1000 wiki self editors changing it anyway. but consider the first two lines

>>>Australian Hospital Ship (AHS) Centaur was a hospital ship during World War II, which was attacked and sunk by a Japanese submarine in 1943. Of the 332 medical personnel and crew aboard, 268 died.

The Scottish-built vessel was launched in 1924 as a combination passenger liner/freighter, and operated a trade route between Western Australia and Singapore via the island of Java, carrying passengers, cargo, and livestock.

UNLINKED

and the bottom of the article? the last paragraph has every date linked. the last line i typical

>>>>It was removed in 1992 to make way for a display related to the Vietnam War.

LINKED

i might suggest the compromise of not linking any year that stands alone, and linking all dates of "month, day, year", format. in some sense it looks like that may have been something attempted at one time, as many of the early unlinked dates eventually link when they show up in a full format. but then there are some dates linked twice in the back-to-back sentences while other places that is avoided.

>>>>The media were notified of Centaur's sinking on May 17, 1943, but were ordered not to release the news until it had been announced in Parliament by Prime Minister John Curtin. This announcement was made on the afternoon of May 17.

both linked!

on the memorial-- i did attempt some minor searches into finding out its, ummm, design history because it seems non-representative by its photo. so i can understand the problem. Shame. but perhaps unavoidable.

i also think a few commas could stand removal. and on the "two peoples seperated by a common language front" the 60 minutes here have 'stories', while newspapers have 'articles', so i had to re-read that sentence the first time though. that is not something that should be change if the originating version of 60 minutes refers to its pieces as 'articles'.

realisitcally i liked it, i'd be happy to see it featured (shame it missed last month where certain days would make it more appropriatly featured). and the points i did make were literally small enough that i did decide they didnt even merit a discussion of the disccusion section of the article itself :) always willing to nit pick past the usefullness for it to be done, but ultimately if none of this is helpfull, ignore immediately.

and if you have copious free time, i'd love to see something on the limerick on wiki. even a stub! (a search of "8,742 ton freighter Limerick" on a search engine gave nothing.) maybe i'll scrape up some money and bounty it...

grrrr

i messed up so had to stop to figure out what i accidently deleted:)

i did manage to pull a few commas and do even less unsavory things for about a third of the article. if it was unhelpful let me know and i wont do any more.

two things though... the austrialian pound linkage appears broken (and not because of me i think)

and this phrase...

>>>>unable to deal with the quantity and the injuries of the casualties

i got such an urge to try and replace injuries with something since it seems that injuries than casualties are redundant. something like "quanity and types of injuries" or maybe "qunatity and severity of the injuries of the casualties".. but im not sure either was valid so i left the original in place.

perhaps even "ovrwhelmed by the quantity of the casualties" and just remove the injuries part?

oh well

sback to the hockey game....

ok did a bit more (up to "attacker") two things i left. In american enlish the phrase "A RAAF Avro Ansen" should be "An RAAF.... wasn't sure that was universal though (the "an" before vowel SOUNDS instead of just vowels)

and "portside oil fuel tank" --know nothing abot ships so that is likely a correct designation but it did seem posible it should be fuel-oil tank instead. a phrase (fuel-oil) which is used later in the article as well.

other than that, a few more commas and stuff. tried to keep the same tense in a few sentences. a bit rough during some of the compound ones... oh well. ducks win the cup :) Childhoodtrauma 02:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

lol. no problems. ducks are NHL hockey. championship decided tonight. ducks won. yea pretty much a north american sport, but hey, who knows, i used to watch aussie rules football years ago at 3 am (what is up with the white coats for the judges?!?)! and didnt you hang out in boston? they have a team! or is there a boston down under as well?

anyway raaf, if pronounced, you are right (and one of the reasons i left it "a" and then asked). looked similar to RAF (royal air force) so i assumed it was pronounced R-A-A-F as raf is pronounced R-A-F. my bad.

I'll destroy another section in a day or two...Childhoodtrauma 03:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

AHS Centaur syntax issue

Hey, there seems to be a syntax error in the in-line citations causing them to not register in the reference list. I got too frustrated not being able to finding it so hopefully you can. Hossen27 08:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

No worries I've done it a few times myself. Good eye I just couldn't find it. Also if you still cant see the two column ref list i am about to use a template istead of what we have now, ope you can see this one. Hossen27`

Very unusual but not a big issue, still a very good article. Hossen27

bad day at black rock

lost the entire update i was working on. will try to remember th main ones i had written about. may have missed one or something i edited and gave a reason for. sorry... got to memorials (yea almost the end, but i am really fried lol)

>>>>>>>>>>Although initially ordered to perform the conversion, efforts by the Department of the Navy, the Admiralty, and authorities in New Zealand and the United States of America caused the completed conversion to be undone..

left as is although i think i'd prefer something like  : The initially ordered conversion was performed...

basically the opening makes it sound as if the conversion was not taking place, only ordered, until the end of the sentence and we catch up it had been a fait accompli

>>>>>>>>> lost where it is in the work but on the rumor section, i did change "these" to "this" on the last bit. seemed to me by the end of the rumor section you were talking about a specific notion (japan 'knew' war goods aboard) and that a singular worked better. I could be wrong.. but i did change it

>>>>>>>During the investigation many of the Japanese officers who had commanded submarines in Australian waters were interrogated, including Nakagawa on three seperate occasions.

perhaps two sentences would work there? during the...... interrogated. Nakadawa was interviewed three seperate times. as is, it sounds a bit like all officers might have been talked to three times. i left it alone though

>>>>>>>>>>>>These submarines attacked or sunk almost 50 merchant vessels, with 20 sinkings confirmed to be the result of a Japanese attack, and an additional 9 unconfirmed.

I think this might go better with just "attacked almost 50", then going with the 20 sinkings. "or" just seems a weird word there and makes the inital math seem funky until you realise, 50 is ATTACKED. 20 plus 9 is SUNK. and "and" is just incorrect.

something like : These submarines attacked nearly 50 merchant vessels and sunk at least 20 of them.

>>>>>>>>>>The finding was reported on A Current Affair, during which film of the shipwreck 170 metres underwater, which was claimed by discoverer Donald Dennis had been checked by the Navy, the Queensland Maritime Museum, and the Australian War Memorial to establish the identity of the vessel.

I'm a bit fried now so it might be me, but i don't think that is a sentence. missing a verb i think. sometimes hard to see with the wiki clutter links, but shouldn't, at least, be something like during which film of the shipwreck .... WAS SHOWN.. or WAS AIRED.. or something. seems the noun of "film" needs a partner that i can't find.. Childhoodtrauma 02:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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Fly Gibraltar

I see you added an AfD message and then removed it. There is no evidence that this 'airline' exists, there is no certainly no mention of it on the website of Astraeus, who are a real operator.

The CAA do not list it, and their licencing department say they know nothing about it. So much for 'we are waiting to be licenced'.

A prominent person in the trade here commented 'Smoke and Mirrors' which I found rather amusing as that was my view. I don't think imaginary airlines are good for either Gibraltar or Misplaced Pages.

However, I need a hand to get rid of it !

--Gibnews 22:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I will follow the recipe. Others were keen to critisise my attempts at deletion but not willing explain the detail. --Gibnews 17:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

OK been there and done that, I think I did something wrong as the Afd page opens in the edit mode. --Gibnews 19:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems to be working OK, thanks for your help on this. --Gibnews 07:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

last one

saw you removed 'unanswered' peer reviews. it that a bad thing?

obviously not much to look at, did a few things, most destructive was changing a sentence i didnt like into this "The centrepiece of the display was a scale model of Centaur, presented by Blue Funnel Line that included several items that were donated for display by the survivors, such as a lifejacket, a signal flare, and a medical kit. "

actually i'm pretty sure the ',' after survivors needs to still go. the original, and this modified version seem to assume the display items from the survivors were part of the scale model centerpiece (whihc is possible depending what the scale of the model was). if they were part of the display but NOT the centerpiece, the sentence needs to probably be something like

The centrepiece of the display was a scale model of Centaur, presented by Blue Funnel Line. The Display included several items that were donated by the survivors such as a lifejacket, a signal flare, and a medical kit.

good luck in the fa hunt

also was reading random stupid stuff and came across the date discussion, according to that, an editor whom should know listed the manual of style as saying not to link years alone, but lways like full dates. which is what i think was the basic stance you decided was appropriate anyway. just nice to be "right" lol.

Childhoodtrauma 23:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: AHS Centaur... FAC?

I think that you should go for it. The article looks great and I think that it would have an excellent chance of passing the FAR. --Nick Dowling 09:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I've started the article Japanese submarine I-177 as a stub to remove a significant red link. It looks like the FA nomination is going very well, but the article might help. --Nick Dowling 02:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

congrats on the featured article status! Childhoodtrauma 23:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! The ease with which the FA nomination went through says everything about the quality of your work on the article. --Nick Dowling 09:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

...well, if you're looking for a new challenge Attack on Sydney Harbour could very easily be brought to FA standard in my opinion - its already an excellent article, and just needs to be expanded and referenced. I'm planning to make it a priority. --Nick Dowling 10:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's already looking great! As the article has been established for a lot longer than the Centaur one, could I suggest that you post each section to the main article as you're happy with it rather than inserting the lot in one go? - making a major change to a semi-prominent article with lots of 'stakeholders' could be asking for trouble. --Nick Dowling 10:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Bathurst class

Hi, I just noticed that you have 'Infobox Ship templating and Multiple Wikiproject templating of every single Bathurst class corvette' in your to-do list. When I wrote the HMAS Wagga article I found that the stats on Wagga's size and speed on the Seapower Centre - Australia website slightly differed from those in the Bathurst class infobox, so this may need to be either updated or tweaked for each ship (as the Bathursts were built over several years in several shipyards I imagine that there were some differences between units). --Nick Dowling 10:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Formatting

Hello... sorry, but I had to revert your changes at Minutes to Midnight (disambiguation). As per the style guide, song titles and television episode titles are put in quotation marks, while album titles and television series titles are italicized. Cheers. --Ckatz_spy 22:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Attack on Sydney Harbour

I think that it looks fantastic. I'd suggest that you start uploading parts of it to the main article. --Nick Dowling 10:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Saberwyn, seems we have some things in common, being both ex-Normo and naval buffs. I was a seaman officer in the RAN and Merchant Navies for 29 years. I also note a pleasing grammatical pedantry on your part. If I can help with any naval articles or whatever, give a shout. Rumiton 10:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Middle-earth in popular culture - pre-DRV request notification

Hi there. I'm leaving a courtesy note to let you know that I am asking the closing admin to reconsider Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth in popular culture. My arguments are laid out at User talk:Coredesat#Middle-earth in popular culture - pre-DRV request. As you took part in the original AfD, I'm notifying you so that you can add your opinion, either there or later if it goes to DRV. Thanks. Carcharoth 11:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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