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Request for enforcement on User:Nrcprm2026

User:Nrcprm2026 has edited Depleted Uranium and related articles in vilation of his arbcom ban. This is not an islated incident, and I had hoped that he would defer from doing this again, but he persists. A recent RfCu has confirmed his recent violations, but the archive on the RfCu page shows a long history and dozens of edits using sockpuppets. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 03:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Administrator response: Could you please be more specific about which accounts you believe violated the ban and on which article(s). Thanks, Newyorkbrad 03:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Recently, it was user:Rtt71 on Gulf War Syndrome; but has also been: user:GVWilson, user:-Alex- and user:Black Omega on depleted uranium, and too many ip's and other accounts to name (the RfCu link has all that). I have repeatedle and politely made him aware that his actions were noticed, but he refuses to listen. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 04:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for two weeks. Thatcher131 01:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for enforcement of LaRouche pages rulings

Once again pro-LaRouche editors are attempting to fill Misplaced Pages pages with pro-LaRouche propaganda, and are deleting properly cited criticisms, especially concerning the issue of antisemitism. How many times does this process have to be repeated? What are the appropriate options and sanctions? Please visit the pages Lyndon LaRouche and United States v. LaRouche (among others). The same pattern of endless circular discussions, deletions, revert wars, and other nonsense is once again happening. There has to be a better solution than wasting scores of hours of serious editors. Please intervene and stop this ridiculous waste of time. I fully understand that we need to represent the views of LaRouche and his supporters, but when the pro-LaRouche editors seek to sanitize pages concerning his conviction and his history of antisemitism, it is a disgrace. Sometimes basic morality and an attention to facts needs to be a factor. Please take responsibility for this shameful situation.--Cberlet 02:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Three pro-LaRouchite editors, Marvin Diode (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), MaplePorter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), NathanDW (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). continuously seek to minimize criticism of LaRouche on the Lyndon LaRouche page, to the point of introducing factual errors into the entry. For example, the section to which the subsection on Alleged coded discourse keeps getting restored is titled: "Criticism of LaRouche, 1979-1985." However the cited criticisms from the Encyclopedia Judaica, Wall Street Journal, and New Internationalist, all refer to criticsms of LaRouche's antisemitism since the year 2000. The subtitle "Alleged coded discourse" should be "Alleged coded antisemitic discourse" otherwise the subtitle misrepresents the core topic of the subsection.

The outcome of the repeated deletions and reversions is to minimize ther seriousness of the criticism of antisemitism and to bury and hide the criticism of antisemitism. This raises issues of prejudice and bigotry that should concern Misplaced Pages as a whole, and that need to be addressed through NPOV and balanced editing of the text. This appears impossible so long as Marvin Diode, MaplePorter, and NathanDW are allowed to edit LaRouche related pages.--Cberlet 17:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Please note this Arbcom decision:

• Misplaced Pages users who engage in re-insertion of original research which originated with Lyndon LaRouche and his movement or engage in edit wars regarding insertion of such material shall be subject to ban upon demonstration to the Arbitration Committee of the offense.

See, for example: , , , . --Cberlet 17:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I request that User: Don't lose that number also be banned from editing LaRouche related pages on the same grounds as per Marvin Diode, MaplePorter and NathanDW.--Dking 20:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Sadly, I agree, as Don't lose that number (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), is now simply reverting without editing.--Cberlet 21:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Additional instances

Despite repeated requests and warnings, two editors (User:MaplePorter and User:NathanDW) continue to create fictitious cites to create the false impression that an entry in the Encyclopedia Judaica is really planted there by an anti-LaRouche author (in this case, me in my non-Wiki persona). These actions have repeatedly misrepresented the content and the authorship of the cited material. See: diff; diff; diff; diff. --Cberlet 13:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)Cberlet 02:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Now another editor, User: Don't lose that number is totally misrepresenting an actual quote from Robert L. Bartley, writing in The Wall Street Journal. Bartley terms the LaRouchite "Children of Satan" title "overt anti-Semitism," yet according to User: Don't lose that number, "Most of this stuff is clearly 'coded' -- it's definately not the real thing." Then User: Don't lose that number moves the material under a subheading "Allegations of coded antisemitic discourse." Especially on a BLP page, attempts to minimize, dismiss, or hide published allegations of antisemitism or any form of bigotry raise serious issues for a serious encyclopedia. See: diff. --Cberlet 13:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment by User:Don't lose that number

First of all, if the ArbCom accepts this case, I would be happy to participate, and I would suggest that User:Dking also be named as a participant. He has a POV, editing style, and pattern of violations of Misplaced Pages policy that is virtually indistiguishable from those of User:Cberlet.

Allow me to make the observation that the ArbCom case cited by Cberlet says the following: "Original work which originates from Lyndon LaRouche and his movement may be removed from any Misplaced Pages article in which it appears other than the article Lyndon LaRouche and other closely related articles." (emphasis mine) As Cberlet notes in his statement, all the content disputes have taken place at "LaRouche-related pages." Consequently, this action is being taken in the wrong venue; Cberlet is not presenting any violations of the previous ArbCom decisions. It says above under "enforcement" that "Enforcement requests against users should be based on the principles and decisions in their arbitration case." Cberlet is alleging edit warring, and the proper venue would be a new ArbCom case.

I contend that two editors, Cberlet and Dking, are the chief cause of disruption and edit warring at the LaRouche articles, for the following reasons:

Violations of WP:COI

• Political activist Chip Berlet edits as Cberlet, and political activist Dennis King edits as Dking. Both have campaigned agressively against LaRouche since the 1970s, and their editing at Misplaced Pages is aggressive to the point of belligerency. At least one impartial observer voiced concern about Cberlet's editing of the article United States v. LaRouche.
• On April 15, 2007, and on subsequent days, User:Athaenara of the COI team initiated a major cleanup of LinkSpam by Dking, mainly on the LaRouche articles. Dking has continued to add links to his personal website to these pages, as recently as today, July 6.
• Beginning no later than 1981, Chip Berlet and Dennis King collaborated together in a campaign to allege that Lyndon LaRouche was involved in illegal activities, and agitated together for criminal prosecution, as in this article. As Cberlet and Dking, they have agressively launched content disputes to remove material that displeases them, particularly quotes from prominent individuals that suggest LaRouche's trial was politically motivated.
• Cberlet initiated an edit war beginning on May 31 to remove a reference to Ramsey Clark from the lead of Lyndon LaRouche. Chip Berlet has published attacks on Clark for his involvement in the LaRouche legal case.
• No sooner had Cberlet given up on removing the Clark reference, but he initiated a new edit war regarding the insertion of material he had written on LaRouche for Encyclopedia Judaica. He claims credit here for writing the section, but when he added it to the article, he avoided attributing it to himself. This was reverted by other editors, who objected to the length of the material inserted, as well as the self-citing. I added a compromise version here, which I felt was a fair summary of the claims made in Berlet's entry. Cberlet commenced edit war, insisting that the entire segment must be included. I should add that most allegations that LaRouche is anti-Semitic, both in Misplaced Pages articles and in the outside world, originate with King and Berlet. Other editors have been extremely tolerant of their self-citing on this issue, despite what I think are serious violations of WP:UNDUE.
• Dking initiated an edit war at United States v. LaRouche on June 12, by deleting a quote that compares the LaRouche case to the Dreyfus affair (see next section.)

Violations of WP:BLP

• Dennis King and Chip Berlet have pursued a slander campaign against LaRouche for decades by alleging that many of his political utterances contain coded forms of anti-Semitism, despite LaRouche's open and unambiguous denunciations of anti-Semitism. Editors Dking and Cberlet have repeatedly self-cited these claims.
• In this edit, Cberlet attempts to minimize the importance of a quote from LaRouche, opposing anti-Semitism, by placing it at the end of a long segment. The segment is primarily devoted to claims by Dennis King and Chip Berlet that LaRouche is an anti-Semite.

Edit warring and tendentious editing

• At United States v. LaRouche, Dking has removed the quote with the Dreyfus analogy approximately 25 times 30 times within 3 weeks, against consensus. He has heaped abuse on the author of the quote, a Professor of Constitutional and International law at the University of Mainz in Germany who had served in the German military during WWII and subsequently was a Brigadier General in the West German Reserve. Dking accompanied his constant deletions with edit summaries such as "Removed senile Nazi baron's ignorant and bigoted statement once again" and "deleted once against disgusting and offensive linking of anti-Semite LaRouche to Alfred Dreyfuss--a linkage concocted in senile brain of aging and ignorant Nazi baron" . Cberlet followed suit with edit summaries such as "Revert: deleted fawning sycophancy from a non-notable Nazi collaborator." This sort of behavior did little to help resolve content disputes. Cberlet and Dking were asked on the talk page to provide some evidence for their claim that Von der Heydte was either a Nazi or a Nazi collaborator, and they were unable to do so. The Misplaced Pages article Friedrich August Freiherr von der Heydte states that he "had become involved in several brawls with pro-Nazi students, and only evaded the Gestapo by rejoining his old cavalry regiment."

Incivility

• At Talk:United States v. LaRouche, Cberlet mocked one one my comments by creating a new poll, signing my name to an opinion which I did not share, and posting the edit summary, "Is this formulation of your views correct User:Don't lose that number?"

(to be continued) --Don't lose that number 22:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment by MaplePorter

If you visit the pages Lyndon LaRouche and United States v. LaRouche and check the edit histories, you will notice three things:

1. These articles were quite stable until Cberlet initiated the edit war over Ramsey Clark in June
2. The edits by Cberlet and Dking by far outnumber those of any other editors
3. Their edit summaries are tendentious and insulting.

Visiting these two page histories might give you a quick snapshot of what the problem is here. Another issue which has come up and should be addressed is that under WP:BLP, the articles should avoid an "advocacy journalism" tone, and here we have two advocacy journalists who are editing Misplaced Pages with the apparent objective of controlling these articles in violation of WP:OWN, and dominating them with citations to their own political tracts.

I would also like to point out that the accusations of antisemitism are a serious matter. Basing such charges on a purported ability to "decode" various "hidden messages" in LaRouche publications, an ability which Berlet and King claim to possess and which is cited throughout the Misplaced Pages articles, is troubling from the standpoint of WP:BLP. It becomes especially egregious when Berlet or King present their claims in these articles as if they were undisputed fact (see this edit: .) --MaplePorter 13:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment by Marvin Diode

I object to being called a "pro-LaRouchite editor." I like to participate in discussions about political controversy, and try to be reasonable voice. I have played a part at Talk:House demolition,Talk:Barney Frank,Talk:The Intelligence Summit, and Talk:Abortion debate, in addition to various LaRouche page disputes. I came to most of these through Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Politics, and I have see some heated discussions, but I have not seen any other editors at Misplaced Pages that are as intransigent and uncivil as Dking and Cberlet. --Marvin Diode 23:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I object to being called a "pro-LaRouchite editor." Why do you do object to that? Please note that punctuation marks should be placed outside the quotation mark in proper english.--Astor Piazzolla 17:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Request by NathanDW

I propose that this be moved to WP:RfAR, because Cberlet is not alleging any violation of previous ArbCom rulings. This warrants a whole new ArbCom case. --NathanDW 01:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Administrator comment

As one of the commenters noted above, the LaRouche arbitration decision cited does not provide for enforcement by admins, but only on application to the Arbitration Committee. Moreover, the proscriptions against adding gratuituous mentions of Lyndon LaRouche or unduly promoting him are difficult to apply in the context of the articles concerning Mr. LaRouche himself. The editing restrictions and scope of the remedies may warrant updating in light of the fact that the original arbitration ruling is more than 3 years old. I recommend that either a request for clarification or a new arbitration case be filed at WP:RfAr. Newyorkbrad 03:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree with Brad. The penalties for using LaRouche publications as sources only apply to articles about other people, not LaRouche himself. This looks like a content dispute, and can not be resolved by admin action without actually looking at the content of the dispute and deciding that someone is "right" and someone is "wrong" which admins are not supposed to do. (Although intentional misrepresentation of sources might be actionable under a generalized probation clause for disruption, but these editors are not named in the prior case.) I think mediation should be attempted, then a new Arbitration case, if necessary. Thatcher131 18:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Nikola Smolenski

Articles related to Kosovo are currently on article probation per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Kosovo. On 10 June, I rewrote and greatly expanded Gazimestan speech (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), an article related to Kosovo. The new version was intended to reflect mainstream views from multiple scholarly sources and to take out previous material that was a combination of original research and heavy reliance on material from a non-reliable source, a personal website called emperors-clothes.com (). Commencing 18 June, Nikola Smolenski (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) began repeatedly edit-warring on the article, initially reverting the new version without discussion (, ) and later seeking to re-insert personal commentary, partisan views and non-reliable sources (, , , , ). This conduct has continued up to today. The issue of the non-reliable source has been discussed on Talk:Gazimestan speech and Misplaced Pages talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-31 ChrisO#Discussion 6; jpgordon (who was not an arbitrator at the time of the Kosovo RfAr), KillerChihuahua and I all concur that emperors-clothes.com is not a reliable source, and the policy on reliable sources has repeatedly been explained to Nikola. However, Nikola does not accept this consensus and has repeatedly edit-warred here and on other articles to add links to the website, including links to copyright violations, for which he has previously been blocked.

This appears to be a clear violation of the article probation, specifically regarding POV editing, edit-warring and the arbitrary use of reverts without discussion. I've discussed the issue with jpgordon, who suggested bringing it here for broader review. -- ChrisO 22:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The edit warring is continuing (, ). Action really needs to be taken on this. -- ChrisO 19:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Blocked 48 hours to give others time to repair the damage and get it stable again. Guy (Help!) 19:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible violation of Minun's one year ban

Here on the Evidence page of the Minun Arbitration case, it said that 81.153.148.8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) was a sockpuppet of Minun, which is all but confirmed by the IP's edits, and in this WP:ANI discussion.

Looking at the contributions of this IP, the IP edited James May] on May 24th, 2007, which would violate the terms of Minuns ban:

Should Minun, editing under any username or IP, violate any ban imposed by or under this decision he may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeat offenses. After 5 blocks the maximum block shall increase to one month. All blocks to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Iloveminun#Log of blocks and bans.

Passed 6 to 0 02:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Should we assume good faith here, and assume that the IP has been assigned to someone besides Minun, or treat it as a violation? Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 05:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be highly improbable for this IP, which is British Telecom, to be assigned to the same person for more than a year. Plus, the article is not something Minun was ever interested in. Seems unrelated. Thatcher131 23:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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