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Demo Groups / Science 451

I noticed that you deleted the article that I wrote about Science 451. Now, I can somewhat understand it; if all groups that could be considered influentual on all scenes are to be listed, it would be a very long list, and the question is whether it's not better to use specialist sites like CSDb and Poüet for this.

On the other hand, it certainly qualifies measuring by the standars displayed by the groups listed under Category:Demo group. Several of the groups listed there are groups that had a very limited impact on the scene as a whole, or their particular scene.

My recommendation would be to delete all entries on that page, except for a few warez-group that had media coverage (Fairligt, Razor 1911, THG) and maybe just have a list of known groups on one page (or maybe skip that entirerly)

If you intend to keep the category, and a majority of the entries listed there, it is my opinion that the Science 451 page should be put back. When I wrote it I made sure to make it similar in layout and style to several other pages, to make it NPOV.

Best regards, Mlonnqvist 14:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look through Category:Demo groups within the next few days. Some may have to be individually tagged with {{prod}} or listed on Articles for deletion.-Wafulz 14:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanx, but that wasnt my point. My point was that All of them should be removed. There's no point in having a "demo group" section, with a lot of entries, if there is no standard for which entries should be there and which should not. Right now it's completely random and seems to mostly be related to which articles gets flagged for delation. (And yes, I am a bit annoyed that the two articles that I wrote, who were more relevant then several articles still remaining, were deleted, but if it leads to some kind of standard being set it's not completely in vain) Mlonnqvist 21:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The standard is if they have multiple independent reliable sources. Every article that does not present them, or does not assert significance other than existing, will end up deleted. It may be random in selection, but it's certainly not random in deletion.-Wafulz 02:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Which is why I claim that all of them should be deleted (once again, with the exception of those warez groups that got media coverage, but that media coverage relates to their warez activities, not their demoscene activities). I did check what kind of sources the other articles had before I wrote my (now deleted) articles, and they cited references such as the groups webpages, CSDb (Commodore Scene Database) and Poüet (a scene-related site) and provided such references for the groups that I added. If that isnt good enough for the groups that I added, then it's not good enough for the groups that remain, and thus they should all be removed. Granted, I didnt check all of them (maybe 60-70%), but those I checked had no other sources. So, the end question would have to be; does Misplaced Pages want to have separate entries for demoscene, and what kind of sources are considered reliable in that case. To my knowledge, CSDb is the biggest and most reliable source for demogroups on the c64. (And yes, clearly I am a bit annoyed that all articles that I wrote are deleted, but no other, and that the deletion process seems very random, but I am trying to primarily keep this discussion on a general level, i.e. what should be the selection criteria in this case, and what is considered reliable sources) Mlonnqvist 10:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

On a general level, a source is considered reliable and non-trivial if it is independent of the subject, if its focus is the subject, and if it has editorial oversight. Generally, directory-type sites are not accepted as reliable source. I'm going to look through the category of demo groups either tomorrow or the day after (it's a national holiday weekend here). I'm also going to ask over at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Computer science and see if they have any suggestions.-Wafulz 02:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 30 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Salvatore Pincherle, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 12:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

You're famous

The Observer July 01 2007 For Your Information by Tim Adams

ROGER  09:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hah. Well this is neat- thanks!-Wafulz 13:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

MD White

I'm a little puzzled--why did you move the page into user space-- do you really think it has no assertion of importance.> that saying someone is a professor at UC Irvine isn't at least a claim to importance? I'd have appreciated it if you had left a message for me first. I'm not saying he's necessarily important, but that speedy requires merely an assertion. I see no reason to assume the article was necessarily created by the subject--it seems rather to be by a member of his family. We are obviously going to need to settle this by a community discussion, so please re-create and send to Afd. DGG 00:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

It seemed obvious to me and I disagree with you, but okay.-Wafulz 04:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

OTRS protection message needs link to Misplaced Pages:OTRS

Please see Misplaced Pages talk:OTRS#OTRS protection message needs link to this page. —Keenan Pepper 17:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

image help - licensing

would you be able to help me correctly upload an image, because something apparently went wrong with the way that i identified the license. i got it off a current website and there's not much more to say.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Theskinzfan (talk • contribs)

Images on Misplaced Pages are meant to be redistributed for free- images off of websites are almost always copyrighted, and they specifically prohibit free redistribution. Sometimes, you run in an article that absolutely needs an image, and no free image can be found- this is for stuff like corporate logos, posters, album covers, etc. In this case, you use a fair use tag along with fair use rationale. Note that this is only valid if it is absolutely impossible to recreate the image (ie, it is a photo of a dead person, or a photo of a historical event or something). In the case of Image:TheJunkies.jpg, there is probably no good fair use rationale for it, since the subjects are alive and it is possible to photograph them. The best images are those in the public domain, or those that you have created yourself.-Wafulz 03:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Namesbondjamesbond (talk · contribs)

Hey there. What's your view on this guy? I think it's another sock of User:Hubier, whom you blocked along with his sock User:Jb007ltkill. I'm not sure though, because he hasn't edited a whole lot of articles related to James Bond or Vietnamese artists. The behavior of constant image vandalism is the same though, along with the obvious Bond reference in his name.--Atlan (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Listed for Checkuser.-Wafulz 14:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.--Atlan (talk) 14:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed and blocked.-Wafulz 19:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I suspected as much. I have a feeling this won't be the last time we see him, though. Well, thanks again.--Atlan (talk) 23:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

the account I listed on AIV

Last edited in November. Not likely to edit anytime soon. I just happened to notice it because the IP was just blocked for a year and when I looked at the previous block history I saw a curious unblock request from an account that has never been used again. -N 19:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm. Well if the account hasn't done anything, then there's no real point in blocking it (we don't pre-emptively block, except with open proxies).-Wafulz 19:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

William McCarver

HI I noticed you deleted an article before it had a chance to assert itself. I agree it was a terrible article -written in a higgledy piggledy way that had every right to be deleted. However I did find sources to prove its legitimacy although "notability2 is questionable. I would have appreciated you waiting a bit while I tried to make it acceptable -this is why I added the hangon tag for a reason. You said something about Misplaced Pages is not a memorial. No it isn't but even then wikipedia still has a massive coverage of memorials!! List of areas in the National Park System of the United States#National memorials

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 14:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Your probably right - its just I beleived wikipedia was so developed in its coverage of the American civil war that many of the soldiers had articles. It required a lot of work!!! anyway and wasn't really worth it. Thanks anyway ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 14:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

If you really want to argue semantics, then fine, Misplaced Pages is not the place for personal memorials. The author is pretty clearly using Misplaced Pages as a personal memorial: Charles P. McCarver was up for two weeks with {{importance}} and no improvements. Individual soldiers don't get ariticles- only those that held an influential rank or were historically significant.-Wafulz 14:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Orion's Belt Game

Hello. I've noticed that you marked Orion's Belt Game for notability. May I ask why? I've presented several links that support what I've written. Please help me to understand and improve the article. :)

Thank you for your time.

Sorry, it was almost out of habit- I've had to delete that article under different names because nobody ever bothered to assert notability until now.-Wafulz 15:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

edits?

I never editted anything. Is this message for me?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.18.155.16 (talk • contribs)

You're probably using a shared or dynamic IP- the messages are meant for whoever was last assigned the IP.-Wafulz 18:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of article about Dhodia,

Dear Wafulz I appriciate your efforts for implementing copyright law in Misplaced Pages, But I still doubt, how one can delete description about a social community. Just for example, say... you have to write about "Americans" , now if some body says "George bush is president of US", or say " Red Indian lives in california" . This kind of statements doesnt violet any copyright. IF you see article about dhodia (Which you have deleted).. basically it is name of a tribal community within India which is loosing its identity day by day, and my efforts were to just make people aware about that community. I am still new for submitting article in wikipedia, but if you search scholar.google.com you can find few articles by me. It is being requested to advice me ...what to do? Shall I re write? Pls Respond Yatrik Yatrik 05:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You can rewrite it, but it should be material that you have written. You can write about a social community, but you can't copy material that other people have written. Our copyright policy states: "copyright law governs the creative expression of ideas, not the ideas or information themselves". Using copyrighted material and redistributing it under our GFDL license is illegal and is deleted on sight.-Wafulz 14:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Got it, !! Agreed. Yatrik 12:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Castor Cracking Group

I've added the {{prod}} tag to Castor Cracking Group because I don't feel it satisfies the notability criteria for groups. Since you're the creator, I'm notifying you.-Wafulz 02:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Tricky. There is very little printed information about demo groups, but being one of the first (or the first?) demo group on the ZX Spectrum they certainly are notable. // Liftarn

Toronto's FA Nomination

Hi Wafulz,

As you know, Toronto is currently nominated as FA. You have pointed some important mistakes we have made in the article, and I have spent the whole afternoon fixing up these mistakes, please see my reply here. Thank you.

Smcafirst 21:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

STEALTH RANGER

Do you think you could leave my personal space alone, please ? I'd rather perfor,m the edits myself. The Albert Wesker picture was for my own amusment, since the resemblance to myself, on many levels, not the least of which is physical, is startling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by STEALTH RANGER (talk • contribs) 04:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair-use images are not allowed on user pages.-Wafulz 12:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This going to be good.....

ps, stay off my page please !

STEALTH RANGER

Provided you don't break user page guidelines, I will stay off your page.-Wafulz 13:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

"Dick" changed to "Egg" to avoid cultural offence, as suggested by the "Don't be a dick" page. The result is much more culturally acceptable and no longer offensive.

STEALTH RANGER 13:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't troll please. You know as well as I do that you're just trying to grind my gears.-Wafulz 13:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you ever step back and take a look at how you come across to people? it's really worth reading your own edits. I've been reading yours ever since you decided to follow me around. just a word to the wise, Pilgrim. There are ways and there are ways, as they say. STEALTH RANGER

Would you mind being less cryptic and more specific?-Wafulz 14:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm referring to my complaint about Smackbot which you replied on my talk page. Thanks for correcting my careless mistake. AshLin 16:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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VINDICTIVE EDITING

WAFFLES STRIKES AGAIN !

It seems that you have wiped out a perfectly valid edit based on actual research (i went to one, not just affiliated with one) as well as spent some time yesterday 'tinkering' with my previous edits. Ergo, it seems likely that you have decided to single me out for daring to question your genius. "Grind your gears" as you put it. You appearance on sites I have added to to, as well as your need to leave your mark is not coincidence. Can you tell me the procedure to raise acomplaint against you, and my perceived abuse of authority ?

STEALTH RANGER 08:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you take a look at the page's history, you'll see I've been monitoring it for weeks, and all I did was get rid of what I felt was needless detail and redundant links. I cleaned it up and provided what is (so far) its only reliable reference. If you want to "complain", you could try Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, although I guarantee no action will be taken since my edits are legitimate, and they did not involve the use of administrative tools.-Wafulz 16:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I'm a student of pure mathematics at UW- Misplaced Pages doesn't have a userbox for that, so I just used the generic one. You shouldn't be so condescending.-Wafulz 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I kinda find it amusing that the Ranger spends rather more time on edits of user and user talk pages than on edits of articles. And what's with THE SHOUTING. Sorry, didn't mean to yell. Anyway, I'm sure you've taken that into account. My humble opinion, for what it's worth. :) -Ebyabe 13:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I really don't care anymore- he's invoked Godwin's Law: -Wafulz 16:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I have edited Misplaced Pages as an annonymous user before deciding to get an account. I have removed the offending material from User:Janet1983's user page as it is in direct violation of the content guidelines on WP:USER. I informed her as such. Also, I reverted some edits she made which had the effect of promoting pseudoscience as science. I placed a warning on her talkpage. My hope is that she will get the picture and stop contravening the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages. --Mainstream astronomy 10:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

technocracy movement

I feel like I have brought up some things that need to be addressed, and have been met with a kind of stonewalling, or worse. Would it be possible for yourself and perhaps another admin editor to take more time, and look at some of the issues I have raised in connection to this article to be looked at? Siddhartha has made a statement that precludes my participation in the process. He says that the page cannot be altered. My only wish is that the article be objective.(skip sievert 16:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC))

It looks like you're just bringing up some arguments that have gone full circle over the last few months. Is this correct?-Wafulz 12:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

No, thats not correct. I am asking that another admin. editor or two, besides, or including you, be assigned this article, as you have said you are in to deep, and have taken sides obviously in your edits. You are personally involved with editing. I have said that the article is being controlled by a cabal. I have shown how that is happening. I have listed a number of areas that are down right misleading or wrong in the article. The most recent being the whole beginning of this article, which starts the whole thing off with wrong information. I have given information on how that is so. Also by phrasing your question the way you did, as a double negative, it is wondered why you would give a negative response ? You are not addressing the facts I have brought up such as why the TTCD is a stand alone separate link, when it has its own special box already linked on the Techinc site. I could go on, but I think you get the idea. Check what I had to say again. Please. (skip sievert 14:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC))

Corrs Chambers Westgarth

I'm on the National Marketing team for Corrs Chambers Westgarth and I'm trying to upload our profile on Misplaced Pages. I'm unsure as to why you have deleted our previous entry: 04:09, 3 April 2007 Wafulz (Talk | contribs) deleted "Corrs Chambers Westgarth" (WP:CSD#G11) As I didn't work on the entry myself, I'm unable to see the problem the article has caused.

I wish to be able to create another article on Corrs Chambers Westgarth in the same style as all the other law firms (please see Deacons, Mallesons Stephen Jaques, Allen Overy for reference).

Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yichen123 (talk • contribs)

Actually, four admins have deleted the article at various times for different reasons. The first time, it was deleted via proposed deletion with the complain "vanity posting of law firm that does not assert any notability. Worded in 1st person as advertising." The second deletion (mine) was a candidate for speedy deletion (CSD) because it was written in an unsalvageably promotional tone. The third administrator speedily deleted the content because it gave no context and did not assert meeting notability criteria for companies/organizations, and the fourth deleted it in order to prevent recreation.

The problem here is that since you are from the marketing team, you have a clear conflict of interest. You also seem a bit confused about the purpose of Misplaced Pages- it's an encyclopedia, not a database or list of company profiles.-Wafulz 02:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. However, there are still a few things I hope you can clear up for me.

I understand how Misplaced Pages is not a database for company profiles. However, there are pages where lists and categories of law firms are shown (Australia, US and UK). We are only following what other law firms have done and I don't see why we can't be listed in the category Law Firms of Australia.

Working for the firm puts me in a more knowledgeable position. I'm able to obtain the correct copyright permissions and information. I won't be making slanderous attacks on the firm or boasting about (I work in Marketing, there's really nothing for me to gain in talking up our company).

As I didn't write the previous article, I would be more than grateful if we had the chance to rewrite it in accordance to the guidelines. What would be the steps I need to take to reload the Corrs page?

Thanks for your help!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yichen123 (talk • contribs)

I've unlocked it to allow recreation. I suggest you create it first in your userspace (at User:Yichen123/Corrs Chambers Westgarth) and then tell me when you're done- I'd like to look it over to make sure that it doesn't get immediately deleted again. Try to provide independent sources as well (news sources that don't come from the company, perhaps books written about it, etc).-Wafulz 13:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have uploaded the page. Please make any suggestions.

Thanks for your help!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yichen123 (talk • contribs)

I've taken a look, and I had to do some work.

1. Lists of contacts are never included in any type of article, so I've removed them
2. I had to remove a lot of promotional terms like "leading", "fastest-growing", "thriving", "prestigious" etc. I worked in a marketing department when I started editing on Misplaced Pages, so I know it can be tough to suddenly switch the way you write. These types of terms are inherently biased, so per policy and guideline, I've removed them.
3. I removed the links to each section of the website. The website should at most be linked twice- once for the infobox at the top, and once for the "External links" section at the bottom
4. I rearranged the article. On Misplaced Pages, articles on companies are supposed to start off with the history section, and then they describe what the company does. In general, articles are supposed to give history, context/importance, and then awards, in that order- this is for every type of article, from biographies on athletes to descriptions of zoos.
5. I provided inline citations to help clean up the article a bit.

As it stands, the article seems to provide enough externally verifiable notability and is written in a non-promotional tone. If you'd like, I can move it into the article space and make it an official article.--Wafulz 01:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance, much appreciated! I will give come back to you on Monday or Tuesday to make it an official article. I think we might include a 'Pro bono' heading where we will list some of the charities we work with, including links to their wikipage.

Will keep you posted. Thanks heaps again! :)

Why I "didn't just revert"

HI,

Did you check the history page? It is continuous vandalism. Squamate 11:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but it was four days old. Semi-protection is for articles that are being hit now.-Wafulz 12:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

ANI

I'm reviewing it.--Isotope23 17:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts.-Wafulz 17:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your comments on the peer review of the Russia article. They were very constructive and I have made many changes according to your suggestions. What do you think of the article now, GA or FA worthy? Thanks again.--Ilya1166 04:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Help?

You welcomed me to Misplaced Pages. Can you help me with the issue I discussed at Misplaced Pages Talk: WikiProject Physics#Velikovsky? Thanks. --Mainstream astronomy 20:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)