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Removal of comments on article talk page

User:Pablothegreat85 an admin who has actively wanted State terrorism by the United States deleted, just reverted my comments, calling them "trolling", in violation of WP:NPA.

Tom harrison, Tbeatty, and MONGO, strong POV warriors who also want this page deleted, will probably now actively support his actions.

The page move, the underlying problem which started this argument, will be dealt with in an upcoming RfC.Divestment 01:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm an admin? That's news to me. The comment was trolling; here is the diff. Divestment has moved the page against consensus multiple times today. Pablo Talk | Contributions 01:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Divestment (talk · contribs) is a special-purpose sock account established for page moving. Tom Harrison 01:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

All that aside, how does this require administrator attention? It looks like Pablo has decided not to remove your comments (which are, for the record, less than civil, and you're filing an RfC. How can an admin, exactly, help? --Haemo 02:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I was about to be banned, but Pablothegreat85 is not an admin, and has no authority to do this. Divestment 02:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

An admin less involved than I am might block the special-purpose sock account. Tom Harrison 02:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec)Other than noting that you're a brand new single-purpose account who jumped into a heated debate, whose second edit was to WP:RFPP, and is now filing an RfC. MastCell 02:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

And having reviewed the contribs in more depth, I've indefinitely blocked Divestment (talk · contribs). It's obvious from his contribs that this isn't his first rodeo, and that this is a single-purpose disruptive sockpuppet account. MastCell 02:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I get some feedback from other admins, based on the rationale provided at User Talk:Divestment, regarding the appropriateness of this block? MastCell 02:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I support this block (as a non-admin), this SPA only pops-up to move war on this article. - Merzbow 03:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

As this username has done almost nothing but repeated page moves against consensus without participating in discussion, this indefinite block is well-warranted.Proabivouac 03:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser confirmed that Travb is Divestment as he claims and that he has also likely used various IP's in an effort to canvass votes on the last Afd on the Allegations of state terrorism by the United States article. See: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Travb. Calling myself and others on the opposite side of the debate POV pushers seems to be begging the question. Unlike those that have been on the same "side" of Travb in the disagreements on this article, we haven't used socks, IP's and three of us haven't been blocked recently for violating 3RR as have TravB's compatriots.--MONGO 06:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

To get around the indefinite block, Divestment has now switched back to using the Travb account. Pablo Talk | Contributions 15:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The sock was blocked for being a sock and to prevent further socking. The main account was not since it was ended with a right to vanish. This is obviously the case of they would have blocked the main account. --SevenOfDiamonds 18:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I can see no problem with Travb adopting a sock based on right to vanish; it's rather that the behavior of User:Divestment warranted an indefinite block regardless of the identity of the user. I also see no problem with having spared the Travb username the block based on RTV. However, now that Travb has exercized the right to unvanish as Travb, I cannot see why this username should be immune from this block: he/she has picked up to resume exactly the same conflict for which User:Divestment was blocked as if nothing at all had happened. I cannot see the purpose of subjecting the encyclopedia to what can only be more disruption to come. As there has been no apology or pledge to change - indeed this edit to user page indicates that Travb stills sees nothing wrong with the behavior that led to this thread - and RTV is no longer an issue, an extension of the Divestment block to Travb would seem appropriate.Proabivouac 03:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Precisely. Travb has acted disruptively, using his new account to move war and his IP's to canvass editors for the Afd for the same article he was move warring as Divestment. At the very least, his Travb account should be blocked for disruption since we block editors, not accounts anyway.--MONGO 05:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This conversation indicates he is bascially proud of evading his indefinite ban for disruption using the username of Divestment.--MONGO 05:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

"Time wasters, POV pushers, trolls, they need to be shown the door...don't expect me to kiss their ass as I do so." Right Mongo?

You know the problem with that link you provided MONGO? People may look at it. Pablo and Morton are patting themselves on the back for booting divestment and saying it was funny, and I respond "hilarious ain't it". That is a really long to say I am "basically proud". The link User:Proabivouac provides is my explaining to the world that I was User:Divestment, "sees nothing wrong with the behavior" is a fantasty.

Please note, User:Proabivouac, User:Tbeatty, and User:Pablothegreat85 are active POV editors on the State terrorism by the United States page, who have opposing POVs.

EVERYTHING I DID WITH User:Divestment WOULD BE OKAY WITH AN ESTABLISHED EDITOR. User:Divesment was closed because of WP:SPA. User:Proabivouac ignores this, so his logic fails completely. Established editors are allowed to move pages, in fact many editors on the state terrorism page have. User:Travb is an established editor, editing since October 2005. Is wikipedia going to boot established editors for moving pages? Of course not. User:Divestment, the account I opened two months after m:Right to vanish is closed, so what rule am I now violating?

As I explained below, the reason I left User:Travb is because of the stalking and harrassment of these same editors. User:Proabivouac says himself that my w:Right to vanish was okay.

Again, if you really want to pursue this, call a RfC, why would MONGO get a RfC before getting punished, and I don't?

Travb (talk) 14:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

EVERYTHING (laugh) you did as User:Divestment would be OKAY for an establish editor? Are you kidding...all you did was move war the article to a different name repeatedly...are you kidding? Check your grand contributions again Divestment (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)--MONGO 20:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

• Support indef block of travb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) for disruption and use of sockpuppets to evade scrutiny of past trolling. --Tbeatty 05:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment and Strong Oppose: I do not feel this is fair. All of the above editors advocating blocking him, are strong POV opponents who are or were actively enaged in heated content disputes with him, pov warriors, and were edit warring with him in politically controverisal articles. To me, blocking him for the vauge "disruption" when the distruption was clearly the result of both sides of many editors being involved in a signifiant content dispute (luckily this has finally calmed down and there is progress being made--with Travb's participation) strikes me as a way to single out and get rid of a vaunerable POV opponent and thus gain an upper hand in a content dispute, or future ones. Therefore, any assessment about this editor should come from nuetral non-involved admins and with an understanding of this context. I think that an Indef blocks against this editor on this basis is certainly inappropriate; community bans require a clear and large consensus. If there is a case to be made against this edtitor, I say take it to Arbcom after the normal dispute resolution steps are followed. In anycase, Travb is working with others on the article, and I don't see him being the primary cause of distruption, in anycase. If he is being primarily distruptive, then give him a warning, a block, a longer block, and if it continues and the claims are valid, then we can talk about indef. ban.Giovanni33 07:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

  POV warriors...? Shall we look at your use of socks and your outrageously long list of 3RR violations for which you have been blocked? This has to do with Travb's canvassing with one of his IP's and using his User:Divestment username to move war...Divestment was his only known named account, and is indef blocked. He switched back to using his Travb account to evade the indef block...we block editors if they are being disruptive regardless of what account they decide to edit with.--MONGO 10:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

• Okay Mongo and you clique, I asked you not to bring up personal information, but you started it. Here we go.

Sorry so long....

Mongo has a long history of edit warring and abuse of other editors, a few months ago he was desopyed for this abuse. He has had two Arbcoms called against him and two RfCs.

After calling someone an anti-American, on this same page above he wrote:

"all I am trying to do is ensure that articles about my own country aren't taken over by POV pushers who are not editing from the U.S"

"Time wasters, POV pushers, trolls, they need to be shown the door...don't expect me to kiss their ass as I do so." #1.1 Is this an acceptable edit? and #1 MONGO: vexatious litigation

For a full list of MONGOs behavior up until December 2, 2006 see: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Seabhcan/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_User:Travb I particualy call your attention to how MONGO calls other editors "bigots" and "racist bigots" hasn't MONGO had Teatty ban or has't MONGO banned other editors for less?

While I deeply respect MONGO hard work on National park pages, One of MONGOs purpose on wikipedia is clear: Delete all content which does not match his own POV. Tbeatty, Tom Harrison, and the others above find articles which do not meet their POV and then put them up for deletion. They also remove large portions of referenced materials which dont meet their POV. Any information which is critical of the United States or of the official account of 9/11 will be deleted by this group.

Defector Recently, someone defected from this group, now banned User:NuclearUmpf he revealed that this group actively emails each other and tells each other how and when to vote. He said he really liked MONGO as an admin because he was more active whereas admin Tbeatty? was "lazy".

I think the edit history shows that this group uses the admin powers of Tbeatty to push their agenda.

My behavior If the above POV editors dont like my behavior, call a RfC. But leave me a space at the top, because I can't respond in full until after September 15, because of the Bar exam and a one month vacation to the FSU. Mongo, you get the priveledge of RfCs and Arbcoms for your behavior, why can't I?

I am not going to edit the State terrorism of the United States page until after September 15, maybe forever. After my page name change idea was universally condemned (I am glad the opposing sides agree on something) I have decided that some editors like to edit war, and there is no point in editing the page any longer. If you look at the page history, I have been involved for over a year trying to get disputes resolved, calling straw polls, mediators, etc.

Regarding User:Divestment and Mongo's other accusations. I left wikipedia on March 5. The reason is because of this group of editors in MONGOs words "show(ed me) the door".

I was tired of wikipedia. So I requested. m:Right to vanish on 12:49, 5 March 2007. My userpage was blanked. I no longer used that userpage.

Over two months later, (2 months, 10 days) I created User:Divestment.

I read m:Right to vanish in March and I read it today, and I still can't see the policy on editors who want to return. I was NEVER attempting to break wikipolicy. I never used Divestment and Travb together in any Discussion etc. Divestment was not intented as a sock, it was intended as a replacement for Travb. All of the actions of the User:Divestment would be "okay" if done by an established editor such as User:Travb. Mongo himself on his talk page talks about leaving his user name.

I was not avoiding any blocks, etc. on user:Travb by using this Divesment account.

My use of this User:Divestment has consisted of moving the page name. During this same time, other editors moved the page to the same page name I was. Other users continue to support this page move name. (This last edit war for moving was started by an account which has been indefinetly banned) On this page I also asked for page protection from massive deletions by editors whose single purpose has historically to delete the page.

Irony the extreme irony of MONGOs "clique"'s arguements is that they call those who want to preserve referenced information on wikipedia "disruptive". Yet, MONGOs "clique" searches wikipedia for articles that don't match their own POV and delete them. They also delete large sections of reference material, call other peoples names like "anti-american" "racist bigot" and begin edit wars. When editors like myself attempt to stop the deletion of well referenced material, we are labeled the disruptive ones.

I have created several dozen articles and added immense amount of information to wikipedia, 99% with references. I have vigourously also defended the deletion of articles which don't match my own POV. Travb (talk) 13:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose The same people who wanted the 'state terrorism' page deleted will surely appear as they have been edit warring at the article since the failed AfD. MONGO - TBeatty - Morton - Pablo - Ultramarine. I think it is a shame that this is the method used to get rid of the opposing view point. How are we as an encyclopedia suppose to achieve NPOV on articles that is the case? Not on that page there have been some highlited such as opposing view points that have been working contructively, such as Tom harrison, Merzbow etc. and working with Bigtimepeace and others. I do not know about much of the above, but I can say I have asked MONGO not to attack users numerous times. He has been calling people trolls, sockpuppets, SPA's, anti-american, bigots etc. The worst part is, lately he has not proposed anything to add or discussed anything regarding the article, it seems to be just chiming in to make a personal remark, threaten someone with a soon to be ban etc. This issue was ignored above as just another MONGo witch hunt, which seems to be the way people take these things. Just consider how many people have been chased off this project by MONGO and his behaviour and what they could have contributed. I have so far created 5 articles in just the short time I have been here, 1 month or so, and this constant ignoring of his behaviour is making me consider leaving. --SevenOfDiamonds 14:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

• PUBLIC APOLOGY Two users above have the gravely mistaken view, that I am "proud" of having to leave User:Travb and later returning to Travb. This is dead wrong. I want to publicly apologize for any wikipedia rules that I may have broke when I left User:Travb. If I did break any rules, I apologize. I am at a loss about what I could or should have done differently (A name change?). I am not going to edit the State Terrorism page, the page which is the nexus of this argument, until after September 15. I am seriously considering never editing it again, as I explained above. I hope this is acceptable. Travb (talk) 15:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

  My, my.--MONGO 20:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Ripster40

It appears that User:Ripster40 may be trying to make revenge edits (including a revert after they were removed) by adding speedy deletions via db-web to VG Cats, Penny Arcade (webcomic), and Ctrl+Alt+Del, three web comics (and the only three he's done this do) that were cited in the page for Loserz, now since deleted (however, some of the text can be seen in WP:DRV#Loserz). It would seem because this page got speedy deleted for being a web-comic, the user is making the same application of the deletion criteria for these other pages as to prove a point about the deletion. While the user may be right that there is a double standard (which the WP:DRV discussion is appearing to go over), the method of proving the point is inappropriate. --Masem 03:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry bout that, I was sick and just the blatant ignorance of some of the users trying to get rid of the Loserz comic just doesn't make sense. Ive seen comics with lesser degree still up and running.Ripster40 23:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Mirror

While looking for any more incidences of the above, I came across a somewhat complete mirror of wikipedia that is calling getting its updates live from here (not using a dump). I tested this by making an edit to my talk page and then confirming that it had appeared on my copy talk page. The search function is the only thing I have found that actually comes back to wikipedia, all other links are to within their main site.

The page is here: http://hg.seoparts.com/dir/en.2ewikipedia.2eorg/Main_Page

Anyone know where the list of mirrors can be found? As I remember they are encouraged to use the dumps, and not just call it from here for every query. Perhaps the devs can block access.

Actually, I just checked again, its not completely updated with each new query, the main page is still on yesterdays version. However my talk page was called from the current version, edited a few seconds earlier. Perhaps it caches for a limited amount of time to stop repeatedly calling the same page? Viridae 03:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yargh I just tried to blank an article and ended up blanking our version. Viridae 03:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well that is bad. Looks contactable. Prodego 03:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

  Registrant Contact:
  Personal
  Yasuda Mitsuru (samescar@mse.biglobe.ne.jp)
  +90.90813772
  Fax: +90.90813772
  Toyuhira-ku Hiragishi 4
  none
  Sapporo-City, Hokkaido 062-0934
  JP

I found Misplaced Pages:Mirrors and forks. Viridae 03:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is better to just send an email yourself though. Prodego 04:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Will get around to that this evening, at uni at the moment, really need to get on with work. Viridae 04:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

If you go to http://hg.seoparts.com/dir/en.2ewikipedia.2eorg/special:mytalk, it tells the IP of the server as 219.117.216.176 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). When I try to submit an edit, it goes back to Misplaced Pages ... but just in case someone finds a way around that, the IP should probably be blocked. --B 05:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It works as an open proxy. You can surf any site using that. That is really bad and the ip should be flagged as an open proxy. MartinDK 12:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

• Hot-linked mirrors are usually blocked from the server configuration. Poke a dev in #wikimedia-tech. Titoxd 22:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

discussion vandalism

my comments where recently removed here by an editor who objected to the way in which i used subscript. This has occured before on this very same discusion page and he kept on removing comments here and in edits before that, it was an all out edit war. i will revert them back but he should be punished or warned for this. the user is ILike2BeAnonymous. please contact me on my talk page whatever happens to occur¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 06:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, other users are allowed to edit your comments for readability. I don't see why you need to enclose your comments in <small> tags, and it definitely doesn't follow our talk page guidelines. It's hard to read, and makes it difficult to follow the discussion. --Haemo 06:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

he didnt edit them for readability, that would be fine. he completey erased them from the page. what would you say is wrong with the way in which i formatted them? how could i reformat them for better readability. i like to use small so i can directly answer longer statements. its all over talk pages. It says '''Interruptions: In some cases, it is OK to interrupt a long contribution, either by a short comment (as a reply to a minor point) or by a headline (if the contribution introduces a new topic). In that case, add "<small>Headline added to (reason) by ~~~~</small>"). In such cases, please add {{subst:interrupted|USER NAME OR IP}} before the interruption.''' on the link you gave me, isnt that what i was doing?¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 07:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't like seeing comments chopped up as it can make it appear ambiguous who added which comments. I feel a list of rebuttal points is more appropriate, but these are merely my personal preferences. In any event, and much more importantly, removing another's comments from a talk page requires a damn good reason, and "unreadable" is grossly insufficient. Removing good faith comments from a talk page flies in the face of the very concept of Misplaced Pages as a collaborative project. If said editor can't read your comments, he's free to read the diff, or adjust the format. Someguy1221 07:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

user:ILike2BeAnonymous is repeatedly deleting user:cholga's comments from the talk page despite comments from several editors, myself included, that this is against wiki policy. Yes cholga used small tags and shouldn't have, but this is more about an ongoing edit war than the use of small tags. In user:cholga's defence he/she has sought help at wikipedia:wikiquette alerts and on the article talk page and so imo deserves the support of an admin in this matter, kind regards, sbandrews (t) 18:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

with rehards to small tags, i was under the impression that small tags where perfectly ok accoring to the talk page policy specifically "interruptions" which stats "n some cases, it is OK to interrupt a long contribution, either by a short comment (as a reply to a minor point) or by a headline (if the contribution introduces a new topic). In that case, add "<small>Headline added to (reason) by ~~~~</small>"). In such cases, please add {{subst:interrupted|USER NAME OR IP}} before the interruption.", now i didnt do the formatting perfectly but ILike2BeAnonymous' comments where quite long and his tone on the page is in attack mode and very angry, calling me capricious and sloppy.¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 23:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

user has relented - now no need for admin action, sbandrews (t) 20:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for helping me out through this difficult situation, I have definatly learned that edit wars are fruitless and i should let others revert after i have reverted and complain and wait afterwards as everything is saved in the history.¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 23:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Vitalmove (again)

• Vitalmove (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Warned about 3RR, but violates it anyway. Warned about personal attacks, but violates it anyway ("I don't know why you have a bias against Muslims and Iranians, which is evident based on your edit history, but Misplaced Pages is not a battleground for your personal vendetta.") He has also called me a "bully" and insisted I work for the Israeli government.

I ask him to maintain civility so he responds with this ("I'm not sure what your issues are. If you have a mental illness then please accept my hope that you get better.") Why has this user not been blocked? Perspicacite 07:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It would really help if someone would deal with the 3RR backlog. Perspicacite 07:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The reviewing administrator may be interested in an entry below: Request for guidance. Just FYI. Angus Lepper 18:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Issue concerning article for Peter Hitchens

Recently I removed several external links from the article for Peter Hitchens because they linked to sites containing video content in violation of copyright, posting on the talk page afterwards (it may be appropriate to note that there has been some dispute over the length of external links section of this article and I have made other edits to the article and talk page since). Recently, however, an IP user restored these links. I undid this edit, and stated why in the edit summary. The IP user went back to their edit, the edit summary reading: "(Reverting politically-motivated vandalism)". Obviously, I don't appeciate this remark, especially since it is not possible to gain an insight into my political leanings from any of my contributions to articles and talk pages on Misplaced Pages. I am now uncertain how to proceed, considering this concerns an IP user, accusations of vandalism on my part and since the rules on this kind of link are firm policy and not just guidelines. Any help/advice would be appreciated, thanks. EvilRedEye 16:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd say just revert on sight and if he keeps doing it, go over to WP:RFPP or even ask me really nicely and we'll semi-protect. Sasquatch t|c 19:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. EvilRedEye 19:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Legal Threats, vandalism, flase claims of copyright infringement

The public relations firm for Biscayne Landing regularly removes sourced information and adds POV commentary to the article, as well as the Munisport article. They have threatened to sue me on their talk page for slander and libel, and have threatened to pursue an action against wikipedia for copyright violation. In addition, despite uploading renderings of their project themselves to wikipedia under creative commons public domain, they are trying to remove the image as it shows the proximity of a wastewater treatment plant to their project.

• Legal threat: User_talk:Marketingsupport --RandomStuff 17:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I checked the article out of curiosity and found the following deletions by the purported PR firm . They are serious claims (for example one item said the neighborhood has an unusually high number of cancers). I'm not an admin and so don't have any authority here, but in my opinion if you have support it seems they should be allowed to stay. --Vitalmove 17:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

here's one reference related to that section you mentioned, though that section could be made more npov if it were to be re-included. ]. If you check the edit history of the user, though, you will see many POV edits and removal of valid sourced information. As to "purported" PR firm, the user gives their phone number and email on their talk page, which is the PR firm for Biscayne Landings. --RandomStuff 17:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Not an admin either, but I left a note on their page suggesting that if they've got a copyright concern, to contact the office instead of making veiled threats and pointing out WP:LEGAL. We'll see how that goes. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 18:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

At this point, the user is claiming we're not allowed to use "Biscayne Landing" in any article because the name is copyrighted. I think that's entirely frivolous but anyone with some law knowledge want to comment? Sasquatch t|c 18:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't have much law knowledge, but I know you can't copyright a name or title.--SarekOfVulcan 19:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

IANAL, but Sarek is correct, you can't copyright a name. "Biscayne Landings" is trademarked, but that just precludes using the logo in the article, not the name itself. Perhaps our marketing friend didn't take business law classes.--Isotope23 19:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, Biscayne Landing, LLC has trademarked the words "BISCAYNE LANDING" as part of the mark, not just the logo, but using the trademarked name of the product to describe the product in this manner is not an infringing use. -- DS1953 20:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Good call, I missed that when I looked at the TM site.--Isotope23 12:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I've reported him at WP:AN3 - he's up to 6 reverts to a particular version at this point, not counting earlier reverts to different versions....--SarekOfVulcan 20:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the most recent reversion and it seems to me that there should be a middle ground somewhere. By the way, using a tool that leaves an edit summary identifying the changes as "vandalism" is not a good idea. -- DS1953 21:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There are so many edits back and forth today, you may have missed that Marketingsupport completely blanked out the page several times already. While a specific small edit by Marketingsupport might not look like vandalism, the user has shown bad faith, bad intentions, and repetedly made the same edit that they were asked not to make (by multiple editors) due to POV issues. So while I agree with DS1953 in principle, in this instance of multiple reversions/legal threats/blanking of pages, I think using an automated tool to undo repeated acts like may be appropriate. --RandomStuff 22:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Minutes to Rise (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Could someone please do something about this troll? He keeps on blatantly reverting editors whom he disagrees with on many pages, leaves insulting comments on talk pages like here, here, here and here, and refuses to cooperate. He thinks that the band Tokio Hotel is a pop band, I disagree, so I added multiple reliable sources. He blatantly reverts me, and the only comment he leaves behind is "this is fucking gay" (on my talk). As one can see by reading his talk, multiple editors had a problem with him, and he is suspected of sockpuppetry as well. SalaSkan 18:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I reviewed his contributions, and he seems to be a single-purpose account intended to provoke edit wars over music genres. SalaSkan 18:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Warned, please re-report if this doesn't work. GDonato (talk) 20:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I also added my tuppence worth. LessHeard vanU 20:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! SalaSkan 20:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:195.212.52.6/User:Rob right and Manchester

I've never reported a contributor before, and always found a way to make a compromise, even grudgingly, in my two years of editting Misplaced Pages. However, I feel User:195.212.52.6 bares no hallmarks of good faith, or contructive editting, and hope to halt this issue asap as there are a number of serious breaches of policy.

Checking against the "Definition of disruptive editing and editors" at Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing, User:195.212.52.6 is categorically is distruptive editor; he/she is tendentious () cannot satisfy WP:V orWP:RS, rejects community input (), and has campaigned to drive away productive contributors ( ).

His problem stems from the city of Manchester's (unofficial, but verifiable and contextual) claim to second city status over Birmingham. It's a matter of civic pride of course, but User:195.212.52.6 is becoming increasingly vindictive about this.

We've offered a compromise, asked for WP:3O, but he/she's now setting up single purpose accounts (User:Rob right), and joining the Manchester wikiproject ()with them as a means (in my view) of a breach of WP:POINT.

His/Her IP talk page outlines just some of mine and others attempts of engaging with this user to be more respectful and fair (including 3RR warnings).

Some diffs:

• Leaving unhelpful "vandalism" warning - its a content and resource issue of course.
• Single purpose accounts, joining WikiProjects with intent to distrupt
• Admitting intent to disrupt anything about the status of Manchester, on Misplaced Pages, and anywhere else
• Admission of intent, immaturity and unencyclopedic entries

I would very much welcome assistance or feedback here. I have remained civil and polite throughtout this month of wikistress. Jza84 18:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

• Contextual Background I've also been involved with reverting some of the edit's by User:195.212.52.6 on Manchester, the editor has a personal dislike of the city which he has moved to the pages of Misplaced Pages. This is very evident in his use of phrasing and on History of Manchester see here ]. the concept that is mentioned on the article is that it has been noted that many people (weasle words?) beleive Manchester to be the second city of the United Kingdom. Some of User:195.212.52.6's sources to discount the claim have had little substance such as a correction page in The New York Times from 1995. These constant reversions are not help the article or Misplaced Pages, many of the editors are busy re-writing and find new sources for the article in an effort to raise it to good article status. All this warring is a constant distraction and very frustrating to commited editors who are here to make Misplaced Pages good. Mike33 18:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It's also been brought to my attention that this person (self styled Proffessor Rob Right), is contributing to other websites with this campaign (see here). It's clearly a personal matter which in my view is clouding his ability to write fairly, neutrally or mediate rationally. Jza84 21:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Bot not properly programmed?

UBX migration from 6 months back

MetsBot came through my userpage at 03:41, 9 January 2007, and replaced the its/it's userbox with one saying that I use the I-Tunes shop (which I don't). I have changed it back, but it seems like curious behaviour for a bot. There is obviously some human error (or silliness?) behind this. Kelisi 18:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It happened 6 months ago; this report is kind of stale. Looks like a simple UBX migration anyway.--Isotope23 19:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Tennis scores

Hi, I recently cam across Tennis scores (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). If you look at his talk page, its just a list of Tennis Scores. Is this allowed?. New England 18:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not? I recommend that it be moved to his user page, though. SalaSkan 18:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it could be another Lman1987 sock. Either way, the user has no edits outside their own talk page and Misplaced Pages isn't a webspace provider. --OnoremDil 18:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I moved the page, but if you feel this guy is a sock, you're welcome to block. User:Zscout370 19:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Help

User:Symbiote-Spidey keeps making disruptive edits to Spiderman: Friend or Foe. When I warned him several times he is now threatening me on my talk page and his user page. I want someone to help me put a stop to this please.BlueShrek 18:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Symbiotespidey blocked 24 hours for the physical threats. BlueShrek warned for being incivil and biting. ⇒ SWATJester 18:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

BlueShrek wasnt uncivil Iwent by the rules.BlueShrek 19:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You certainly did not. You were uncivil, biting to the new user (and you yourself are a new user) and you both have ownership issues. ⇒ SWATJester 19:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hes still making threats somehow. He just left me a message. I need help against this vandal.BlueShrek 19:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I had forgotten to click ok on the block. He's blocked now. ⇒ SWATJester 19:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

New sock of User:Mariam83 blocked indefinitely

I've just blocked indef another sock of this disruptor. Irrer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is waiting for an admin to unblock the account. -- FayssalF - 19:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

One more → User:WinterT. -- FayssalF - 21:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Mosquera sockpuppeting

I recently blocked Mosquera (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for 12 hours for disruptive edit-warring, personal attacks and aggressive lobbying against Misplaced Pages's non-free content rules. Mosquera is one of those editors who dislike the restrictive policy on fair use and vigorously defend their "right" to upload replaceable non-free images. While blocked, he created an obvious sockpuppet, Tarmikos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (editing the same articles, reverting to the same versions, created an hour after Mosquera's block, typical temporal editing sequences, finally editing pages in Mosquera's user space while logged in as Tarmikos). I blocked Tarmiko but let Mosquera off for the moment. But now Mosquera is giving his own blocked sockpuppets barnstars, including fake barnstars claimed to be by a third party (). There had previously been issues about possibly fake barnstars being posted to Mosquera himself.

What are we going to do with him? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for a week this time. I still think of a longer block because i am afraid this behaviour would just flourish. But we'll see. You haven't mentioned trolling and foolling wikipedia but i'd just consider that part of the sock violation. -- FayssalF - 20:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

He also seems to have posted as User:Enríuqui while blocked, although only to his talk page, so I'm not sure that counts as evasion of a block. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the bare IP 77.181.77.173 was him editing during his original block as well. – Quadell 20:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

A week sounds about right to me. We shouldn't ignore the fact that he may still make positive contributions (even if I personally don't see much encyclopedic value in series of articles about not-even-yet-aired telenovelas, but that's just my taste) But as long as he insists on climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman to defend his non-free images, he'll be more a liability than an asset to the project, I'm afraid. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. -- FayssalF - 21:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Agree. ElinorD (talk) 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Also agree, besides, in one week all his images tagged as replaceable non-free content will, most likely, be deleted. :) Garion96 (talk) 22:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Only one week? Most merciful to Mosquera, not sure about Misplaced Pages.Proabivouac 04:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I am 100% sure he is a sock so 1 week = 1 year if not indef. I have no idea whose sock he is. When you give them 1 week today, you'd still have the option to give them an indef a week later. Maybe even before. Who knows? I'd not object at all if someone extends his block but i am sure it would change nothing in this case. So better give them a week. -- FayssalF - 05:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean Mosquera himself is somebody else's bad-hand account? Could well be, judging from how quickly he jumped into the fair use debates as a newbie. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Update: He's most probably Yakuman (talk · contribs). I've filed a checkuser request at the Abu badali Arbcom case, because he used both accounts to make accusatory statements against Abu badali in that case, which would constitute a pretty grave case of abusive sockpuppetry, in my opinion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

What's the harm in studing

I am a new contributor who studyed wikipedia before contributing. I follow links to "places where I can get help" like this place and i am accused of being a sockpuppet. LuckyLouise is conspiring against me. This guy must be a new ager using bully like tatics to intimidate editors. He uses spelling mistakes as "evidence" that im a sockpuppet which is a very common mistake. I hate it like any reasonable person when everyone pushes me around and snarl at me for making mistakes. I wonder what insult the first person to respond to this post is gong to make. Science Solider 20:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't smell very good? (j/k) – Quadell 20:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

One policy you appear to have missed is WP:NPOV; which your article edits don't conform to... this isn't an insult, I'm just pointing that out. Lucky Louie didn't appear to attack or bully you, that editor just pointed out to another editor that some of your edits appear to follow the pattern of an individual who isn't allowed to edit here; it wasn't even a WP:BITE situation and they were rather polite when you contacted them about it. If you are not that person, you should have nothing to worry about. I'd also suggest getting used to your contributions being edited mercilessly... it's kind of how things work here.--Isotope23 21:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Molag Bal is at it again

His latest disruptive sock is called User:Molag Bal in the USA. SalaSkan 21:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

One can find this evening's disruptive socks here. SalaSkan 21:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

They're all blocked; multiple Molag Bal socks have been blocked for the last few days, and many were done today. It's not just Molag Bal who's returned to being heavily disruptive at the moment; the Kate McAuliffe vandal also appears to be back, except they're using a new "has a crush on" girl. I've blocked two Molag Bal socks and one KM sock today. Acalamari 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really familiar with the WP:RFCU process, but perhaps we can request that a checkuser be performed on MB to prevent his IP from creating new accounts? SalaSkan 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Added a request to Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/IP check. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I've expanded upon that list. Acalamari 22:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Personal by Panache

Panache apparently believes that my talk page is an appropriate place for personal attacks directed against me:

Note that these attacks are about a month apart, rather than being essentially from one burst of anger. —SlamDiego_←T 21:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Sbandrews and I have both left a note on Panache's talk page about this. Let's play it by ear, from there. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay by me. —SlamDiego_←T 23:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Using Misplaced Pages to arrange a drug deal

I deleted Talk:Midwakh for reasons that should be obvious if you can read the deleted history. Anybody think it is worth taking further? The main article is a hell of a mess; it either needs improved or deleted. --John 21:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see that anyone else needs done. Even if this stuff is illegal in some places, it's not our job to enforce the laws of the world. Friday (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol. Friday has a point though you have to be pretty sad to use wikipedia to score. I've redirected it to pipe anyway, revert me if you want, SqueakBox 23:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, this is one of the saddest things I've seen. What you have to resort to when you don't have friends, wow. --MichaelLinnear 02:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Geoffrey Mitchell (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I've just blocked Geoffrey Mitchell indef as he revealed Sceptre's real life identity using a sock IP (User:24.173.10.197) - the contribs are very similar if you take a look, and checkuser stated they were from the same ISP (view evidence) - unfortunately, the edit where the IP revealed the information has been oversighted now so I can't provide a link. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you mean "fortunately, the edit where the IP revealed the information has been oversighted"...by the way, there's a thread below about this. Daniel 01:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That's not Geoffrey/24 who posted that information on ED that's pushing me towards leaving. I am 95% certain who that person is (If it's who I think he is, I know him in real life). Will 01:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Daniel, of course it's fortunate that the edits were oversighted - I just meant it's unfortunate that I haven't got any evidence to show he did reveal the identity. Ryan Postlethwaite 18:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Wakinglife24

I looked at the recent changes and noticed that Wakinglife24 had vandalized an article. I reverted it, and as I was putting a warning on his talk page, I got an edit conflict. I checked the page out, and noticed three warnings showing that he'd vandalized an article several times. I then added my warning, and came here to report it. I know of two articles he messed up: Gibson Guitar Corporation and Philadelphia.

Try WP:AIV. Corvus cornix 01:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Mass date-delinking campaign by Lightmouse

This user has taken up a contentious stylistic campaign that has caused much disruption in the past: indisciminately stripping articles of all year-alone datelinks, using bot-like methods to run through large numbers of articles at high speed. The same thing has been done in the past by Bobblewik, who finally gave up only after repeated rounds of escalating blocks, hiatuses and resumptions, and by Hmains (under Bobblewik's initial influence), who somehow escaped blocking but acted likewise, breaking off under pressure each time the campaign attracted notice and opposition, only to quietly resume it at a later date. (For this background, see Bobblewik's block-log and talk-page, and Hmain's talk-page in its history, repeatedly, almost from the get-go: Dec 2005, June 2006 and straggling on through the summer, Sep 20006, Oct/Nov 2006.)
Long discussions at Misplaced Pages:Manual of style (dates and numbers) have failed to reach a consensus either for linking years or for de-linking them, giving the matter a status alike to that of other stylistic differences (e.g. "British" versus "American" spelling) for which there's a general principle of "don't go around articles changing the style from one way to the other". It was for stubbornly breaking this principle that Bobblewik was repeatedly blocked.
Now Lightmouse is repeating the very same pattern of behaviour: First as Editore99, and then under his present name, he's been stripping articles of all year-alone datelinks. Quite a number of other editors have complained, but Lightmouse has mostly ignored their complaints. A month ago I warned him to stop, filling him in on the background. He laid off for a month, then resumed making edits such as this. I warned him again, more strongly, earlier today, but he has since carried on with edits such as this. He's made no effort to get consensus for his campaign by re-opening discussions at the MOS page.
His edits are not all bad, and I, personally, even agree with some of his year-delinkings, because he tends to concentrate on articles for quite recent stuff. He also does much other, largely useful editing at the same time, with units and such -- but this almost makes matters worse, because it means that a straightforward revert of the date-delinking also undoes the good stuff. (He's gotten complaints about some of that other stuff, though, and reacted to them with equal stubbornness.)
Anyhow, since complaints and warnings have failed, admin intervention seems to be the only way of handling this. I hope this is the right place to ask for it. -- Lonewolf BC 00:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any harm in it myself. What difference does it make? These links are not of any real use anyway. --John 00:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That is your opinion. Not policy nor consensus. Corvus cornix 01:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

There's no policy or consensus either way, right? – Quadell 01:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I have left him a stern final warning. Please report further activity of this type here. --Richard 01:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

What policy is he violating? The BC/BCE thing was decided by the ArbCom, that no one should change one to the other. But there's been no such decision here, has there? Or am I missing something? – Quadell 01:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Not as far as I know. Why would he get a "stern final warning" for something like this? --John 02:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

there is no general consensus that the habit of linking separate years (that are date indications that only consist of a year) should be abandoned. Corvus cornix 02:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Right. There's no general consensus either way. So I shouldn't threaten to block people for linking years, and I also shouldn't threaten to block people for de-linking them. At least, that's how I read it. – Quadell 02:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I admit that this is an ambiguous situation. I researched it before I left the warning. I researched it again quickly and revisited my thinking after reading Quadel's comment.

I think we all understand that there is no consensus to link or de-link years. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) clearly indicates that it is permissible to link years (else why would they show how to do it?).

WP:BRD suggests that it is ok to be bold but that, if someone else objects, then you should discuss and develop a consensus.

Someone (User:Lonewolf BC) has objected to Lightmouse's de-linking and asked him to stop pending formation of a consensus. Ignoring the opinions of others and editing unilaterally in the face of opposition is disruptive.

According to the BRD model, it would have been permissible to revert Lightmouse's edits. However, that probably would have been more confrontational than necessary.

I don't think any admin relishes the idea of having to go through each of Lightmouse's edits and rolling them back if the consensus were to decide against his de-linking campaign.

Blocks are meant to be preventative; not punitive. The purpose of a block in this case would be to limit the de-linking until the issue can be discussed in an appropriate forum.

Discussion and consensus are crucial to working in a collaborative community.

--Richard 03:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Applaudere. -- FayssalF - 05:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well said Richard. However, I think the best would be to help coach Lightmouse towards making more productive edits, rather than talking about blocks for what seem to me, from a very cursory sampling, to be more good than bad edits; edits with which I too see certain problems, but which are undoubtedly well-intentioned. Discussion and consensus are vital here and I'm disappointed at how little attempt at dialogue was made with Lightmouse about his edits before threatening him with a block and reporting him here. Experience has shown repeatedly that the community is not able to attain a consensus either for against linking standalone years, and that there are editors on both "sides" who passionately believe they should or shouldn't be linked. I should say that I often delink standalone years as part of a copyedit myself. Perhaps the solution to this issue would lie in discussing with Lightmouse on an individual basis the merits of his edits. If there is a concern that he edits somewhat robotically, then perhaps he could be restricted to a certain speed of editing. Finally I'd say, with all respect to everybody involved in this, it really doesn't seem worth anybody falling out over, to me. --John 06:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User:VirtualSteve

Although this isn't the techinical place to do this, deletion review is, VirtualSteve decided to be bold and decide that some articles were unnotable and delete them such as Chris Kindred, Delany Lewis and Peroxwhy?gen, which last I checked weren't tagged for concerns of notability, and would like an administrator to look at the deleted revisions of these articles, and any others VirtualSteve may have recently deleted out of process, and would like to see if these were correct or not. Thank you! — Moe ε 01:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:CSD...

The speedy deletion policy specifies the limited cases where administrators may delete Misplaced Pages pages or media without discussion. Non-administrators can request deletion of such a page by adding an appropriate template (see below). The word "speedy" in this context refers to the simple decision-making process, not the length of time since the article was created.

If Virtual Steve thought they met the criteria, he was "within process" to delete them. WP:DRV is the process to challenge his decision. --Richard 01:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

There was nothing "out of process" as they were all expired prods, so you can't have checked them recently. You can request their undeletion from any admin at any time, but there's nothing to stop them being sent immediately to AfD. --Steve _(Stephen) 01:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see the expiring prods on them. I could have swore I visited the Chris Kindred article a couple of days ago and it wasn't tagged.. meh, no need if it was prod'ed, but it would have been nice to be given the prod notification. — Moe ε 01:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

True. Just as VirtualSteve would probably like to have had notification that you were discussing him here... --Steve _(Stephen) 02:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

An extra eye on Badger

Could someone please take a look at this article. An anonymous user seems to be determined to add information about the British plan to bolster their forces by using Badgers to supplement the troops. It appears that the source they want to use is reliably equivalent to The Onion. (One of the images is a photoshopped badger in a tank...) After further review, I think I've already technically violated 3RR, and will grudgingly accept the block if so, but would appreciate some extra eyes on the page either way. --OnoremDil 02:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

In all honesty, the British Army had to just deny that they were using man-eating badgers in Iraq. Yeah, that war is something mad surreal. --Haemo 04:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Extra eye on Aluminium

New account has been making wholesale changes including doing a pagemove to it.

He's been warned, and may have stopped, but I may not be online much longer. If people can keep an eye on it... Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 02:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It's already on my list. More eyes will always be appreciated though. --John 02:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Am watching. Just reverted to a "safe" revision from a couple of days ago, might want to let WP:CHEM know. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that is the fastest block I have ever handed out. Please review and discuss here if anyone feels I have been harsh. --John 02:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I just semi-protected it as well, as they edited once as an IP before logging in and using the account. Just for a day, though. Hopefully they either go away or respond on the talk page... Georgewilliamherbert 02:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Harsh? No. Registered vandalism-only account = immediate indef block. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Spamming

• Cka zug (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This user is spamming via images. The image description includes corporate advertising and links, like an article. The image is placed in categories to drive traffic. What's the best way to handle this? Jehochman 03:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Images deleted, user blocked, next case.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Shaniqualonda

Somebody want to deal with this Talk page and unblock "request"? Corvus cornix 04:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

On contribs perusal, shouldn't almost six months worth of almost nothing but vandalism on particular targets (I'm stretching "constructive edits" here quite a bit) be treated as a permablock offense? MSJapan 04:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Kind of makes you wish you had a 'hit him with a lead pipe' button, don't it? HalfShadow 04:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Nothing constructive at all. Someone having created an account on Dec. 06, finding a podium here where to say "Deport illegals!" inside an article pretending to know enough about the related terminology, removing sprotected tags, first edit summary was 'LOL' before replacing another page w/ 'LOL' and creating another w/ 'ey dis ya gurl shanaynay ima blockhead and proud'. I am tired. He doesn't have to come tomorrow of course because it would be a waste of time. I mean another 'LOL'. Thank you Andrew c. -- FayssalF - 05:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

SPA flooding on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Malware Spread Mitigation discussion

It seems to me quite blatant, and possibly the result of sock-puppetry. If someone could do an IP trace, I'd appreciate it. Lipsticked Pig 05:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want a checkuser, see the requests for checkuser page. Most administrators can't do that, only checkusers can. Seraphimblade 05:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Lipsticked Pig 05:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hoaxer might be a User:Danny Daniel sock

Gaky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) might be a Danny Daniel sock. The user has appeared to have created several hoaxes. Danny Daniel sockpuppets sometimes start creating hoaxes first before editing an actual article. Most of these hoaxes (Spongebob Diseasepants, Bloo Lost in Time, and Ned's Fairly Day) seem to all relate to the articles Danny Daniel socks edit, though the username is not written in CamelCase as the last nine sockpuppets listed at User:Squirepants101/Danny Daniel. If this was an actual sock, then it would indicate another change of username pattern (the vandal has changed his pattern several times before). Do not block this user unless I find more evidence to confirm that this user is a sock, but someone should keep on the user's contribs. Pants 06:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked, tag him as you wish.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit War

There is an edit war over Julianna Rose Mauriello. The show has not been cancelled, and User:69.132.198.186 has repeatedly changed "stars" to "starred" as if it had been. This user has just gotten off a block for doing so, and has even admitted in edit summaries he is doing it just to annoy User:Ispy1981. He continues to change the article. Kat, Queen of Typos 06:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User:76.182.220.150

I am deeply concerned about the edits I see by Garry Denke (talk · contribs) (who also apparently contributes as 76.182.220.150 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)). He has recently spammed a number of talk pages with fairly well-written pseudoscientific/pseudohistorical religious "theories". By itself, this is a problem but easily dealt with. My bigger concern is that Garry Denke has contributed to and started a variety of semi obscure articles over the last two years (e.g. Seven Spirits of God, Scroll Trench), and made small factual changes to topics like geomagnetic reversal. Some of these contributions appear legitimate, some are transparently false (e.g. magnetic reversals do not occur in less than 39 years), but others are plausible sounding statements that I am unqualified to judge. I worry that he may have inserted a variety of problematic content that was too obscure to notice.

I would appreciate it if others would investigate his edit history and take appropriate action as necessary. Particularly useful would be someone knowledgable about Stonehedge. Dragons flight 07:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The last swing of the VGP from the southern hemisphere to the northern hemisphere in the Brunhes-Matuyama geomagnetic reversal took only 38 yr.

<copy of abstract removed. Dragons flight 15:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)>

Speaking of knowledgeable

One entry found.

knowledgeable

Main Entry: knowl·edge·able

Pronunciation: \ˈnä-lij-ə-bəl\

Function: adjective

Date: 1829

having or showing knowledge or intelligence

— knowl·edge·abil·i·ty \ˌnä-li-jə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun

— knowl·edge·able·ness noun

— knowl·edge·ably \-blē\ adverb

John

Okay, so it's nonsense that some scientist believed in the 1980s. "n analysis of the available sediment records of the four most recent polarity reversals ... yield an average estimate of about 7,000 years for the time it takes for the directional change to occur." (Clement, Science, 2004 ). If one only cares about the time it takes to go from slightly S oriented to slightly N, then obviously the time required is neglible because you catch it just on the transition, but that is not at all the same as asking how long the reversal takes as the pole slides through a 180 degree arc. Dragons flight 15:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Oy, a bit high brow for Clement. Dipole flip is three (3) days. The whole arc; degrees / minutes / seconds. Homo erectus is the discoverer. The discovery date; Middle Pleistocene. In the beginning top "Ionian" Stage. Here is the discoverer's "Photo". "So easy a Caveman can do it". Go ahead and laugh, whatever. Watch one, then you correct Wiki. I know you dislike ancestors. However; give the founder full credit. Garry Denke 19:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC), User:Garry Denke, User talk:Garry Denke

Garry, you're not helping your cause out by using the Chewbacca defense. You're only proving Dragons flight correct. The Evil Spartan 19:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Dragons flight Chewbacca (Trojan horse) Defense employs non-dipole technical jargon, vs., Earth's dipole "so easy a Caveman can do it" Homo erectus eyewitness account, The Evil Spartan. Just thought you'd like to know you've buried Dragons flight with your link. John

Hey Dad, how do you spell Stonehenge? John

what to do about abuse both administrators and users

I'm not sure this is the right place to go with this, but I'm at the end of my rope with wikipedia. I was an ip editor for quite awhile and only occassionally made a little correct here and there. One day I came across interracial pornography wiki, and noted that the vast majority of users both in the edit history and in the talk page had major concerns that were not being addressed(malik either reverting their edits or no response to their concerns about certain material in the wiki). Thus, I removed the speculative comments and libelous comments(on living persons) from the wiki that had no support. This was the consensus of the editors both in the edit history and in the talk page, about a 6 to 1 consensus-- I actually counted after I was accussed of vandalism and made it known i was enforcing consensus, not randomly deleting things, only specifica things that had been detailed in talk. And that's what happened, i was accussed of vandalism for enforcing consensus, I was even BLOCKED for vandalism, though its obvious the material I was moving did not belong, neither by wikipedia merit nor by consensus opinion.

I appealed my block, and was almost instantly turned down by the reviewing adminstrator who must not have even taken the time to view the edit history of the page and the overall opinion of wiki in the talk page. I told them to look at the consensus in both the edits and the talk page. I was not a vandal, and I thought people were supposed to assume good faith? Malik Shabazz's good faith was to call me a vandal at the time, which is interesting givem what happens afterwards.

Now it comes to the Disappearance and murder of Jessie Davis wiki and Malik Shabazz is again trying to ram is POV down other editors' throats. You can look at the talk page and you will notice that there are three editors agreeing WITH ME that the material regarding bobby cutts's violent past should be included in the article. Despite this, Malik Shabazz continues to revert the material in question, claiming a different reason for his removal of the material almost every time he removes it. My reading of of vandalism was that repeated edits that do not add to the wiki were considered vandalism, so I've been noting that I consider his edits acts of vandlism-- after it had been clear that the consensus was against him. Today out of the blue I get some guy that pops into my talk page claiming I'm about to break the 3RRV if I make another edit, despite the fact I had only made 2 edits on the page in the pervios 24-36 hours and was by no means close to being over 3RRV. This was a clear attempt to bully a new user to wikipedia and was disgusting to see. I've also been accused in my talk page of being people I am not and saying and doing things that I never did. When I question these people for their strange claims, I am met with very rude behavior and to leave their precious talk pages alone, despite the fact they came to me talk page first and accused me of these absurdities.

How am I supposed to assume good faith when I have been nothing but abused here by biased moderation and by bullying, POV-pushing editors?? This is not an evironment conducive to such things. Is there any way I can go about get the activities of these users and adminstrators looked at by people "higher up" or something? Users Malik Shabazz , Gnangarra and adminstrators Jmlk17 and Vassyana, too a lesser degree Krimpet, who actually blocked me from editing my own page after I questioned why I could not ask for a second appeal from an adminstrator that would actually take a good look at what actually occurred instead of instantly refusing me because I was an "dirty IP editor", which appears to have been the case here. Or is wikipedia just really pretty much a joke unless you have an adminstrator or two in your back pocket??? And forgive the tact, as I am extremely pissed off that I have been trying to improve wikipedia with my time and efforts to be met with this crazy, biased treatment.KillerPlasmodium 07:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

What do you want us to do, choose sides? Have you tried dispute resolution? --Ezeu 07:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. What should I do? I don't know much about wikipedia. All I know is that I've been treated very unfairly at the very least.KillerPlasmodium 07:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So, let's see. On Interracial pornography, you deleted a section of a literal quote, and the reference to a source authority, with the comment "removing nonsensical material. I see this as vandalism. Interracialist is not even a word". You, apparently editing as 68.187.117.71 (talk · contribs), have systematically removed all mention of actresses performing with black actors, claiming that such an assertion is "libel", and -- despite the comments being directly attributed -- claiming that arguments presented were made by an "unreliable source"; a comment which betrays a misunderstanding of our reliable sources guidelines. You have also asserted that the page is being "written by some black racists".

On Disappearance and murder of Jessie Davis, you have systematically added material unrelated to the actual disappearance, such as unproven allegations of abuse, and hearsay allegations of violent behavior on the part of the suspect; a living person. It should, of course, be noted that the accused in this case are black, while the victim is a white woman.

While I'm not going to tell you what you should do about these edits, since I think they speak for themselves, I will put it to you that you have a rather obvious point of view in these matters, and your editing is systemically reflecting it. You would, perhaps, be better served by taking your complaints in this matter is a venue such as dispute resolution or a request for comment. --Haemo 08:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was reading your uhhh, stuff, there for a bit, until I hit "It should, of course, be noted that the accused in this case are black, while the victim is a white woman.", at which point it became clear I was appears to have made a racist comment, hence I give your opinion little merit. Why should it "OF COURSE" be noted that he is black and she is white? I will say I did not remove anything that did not have to be removed in according to wikipedias own BLP or were speculative unsupported statements, KillerPlasmodium 08:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do not call other users racist if you disagree with them. It is not helpful or civil. --Dark Falls 08:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Umm, do not put words in my mouth please. I said THE COMMENT APPEARS TO BE RACIST. which it does. I did not say it was racist nor did i say he was racist. This is beginning to look like a complete witch hunt. Correction, what happened was what I wrote and thought "stuck" was blocked because changes were ebign to the page, when i pasted I pasted an old version my edit. What i mean to say about was that the comment appears to be racist, not what I wrote up there. Though that is no doubt how I felt, but I did not intend to say that. I changed it, as it's not what I intended and only ended up there because of the edit conflict casuing to paste my "rough draft" verion .sorry.KillerPlasmodium 08:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I was merely pointing out the racial context of the article you were editing. If I just mentioned Murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom in the context of this dispute, and didn't mention race, I would be missing the point here; it was meant to illustrate that you, too, appear to have a strong point of view when it comes to articles that deal with race. It is important to notice that the two disputes you appear to be involved in share an important similarity. --Haemo 08:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Firstly, you have never been blocked for vandalism, as stated in the block log. I would strongly suggest ceasing to call Shabazz's editing "vandalism", as it can be upsetting and lacking in good faith. Edit warring, whether in good faith or not, is never helpful, and it might be better to discuss your changes on the talk page. I am a bit confused with Jmlk17 and Vassyana's involvement in this, as neither had any prior interactions with you. Also, it might be wise to heed the Neutral Point of View policy when editing mainspace... --Dark Falls 08:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Similar attitude without edits here on Talk :Barack Obama.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvoz (talk • contribs) Not signing was an oversight - I stand by my posts. Tvoz |talk 21:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Smells like a bit of a witch hunt Tvoz. Please sign your comments. I wasn't aware I wasn't alowed to have an opinion nor aquestion the material presented in that highly NPOV (ROFL) Obama fan site, er, I mean wikipedia entry.KillerPlasmodium 08:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Again, see the above. Your comments on that article as well fall into a pattern which explains your point of view, and goes to the heart of your dispute. These editors are merely trying to point out that this goes further than simply a content dispute here. --Haemo 08:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That was my reason for including it. Tvoz |talk 21:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Get the chair and rope. I'll meet you at the lake. Bring your cryptic responses with you for my eulogyKillerPlasmodium 08:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to attack you here; I'm merely explaining that you appear to have a strong point of view on issues that surround race. This may cause your opinion about certain types of material, especially neutrality, to be different from what the community tends to expect on this matter. --Haemo 08:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

From all of this, it appears that Mr. Plasmodium does not play well with others. A sad thing on an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. KillerPlasmodium is blocked indefinitely.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

From the way he was acting, especially with the "chair and rope" comment and the apparent strong view of racism, the block was inevitable. --Dark Falls 09:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request denied and block endorsed for severe disruption. Sandstein 16:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Mmbabies (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and TV station articles

This user was indefinitely blocked back in February. Since that time, he has continued to edit pages under various Houston-based IPs. The edits are vandalism/nonsense (changing TV station affiliations/call signs/channel numbers) and some threats. After months of this abuse, I send a boilerplate message to the vandal's ISP, but that didn't work. I've placed the Houston TV stations on semi-protection, but the vandal has moved on to Bakersfield TV stations, and WP:TVS members are asking for a range block. As I do not really understand the range block parameters, I'm asking here.

The IPs which have been used include: 71.147.18.159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 66.139.10.84 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 75.18.56.133 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 75.6.214.82 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 68.92.33.195 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 71.156.123.70 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 72.236.190.51 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 65.34.130.240 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 75.18.56.90 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 68.94.98.93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 75.18.56.133 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 71.147.16.30 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 75.21.56.35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 75.1.22.253 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 68.90.246.160 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 68.90.232.60 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 70.132.151.112 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), many others. Firsfron of Ronchester 09:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

As a member of TVS, I support something of a limited range block--require AT&T users in this range (the Houston area) to create an account before editing. It's unfortunate that it has to come to this, but clearly the ISP isn't taking it seriously (despite the fact that AT&T's TOS requires users to abide by the policies of third-party sites). To refresh some people's memories--he was community banned in part for exactly this behavior, including threats to the life of Christina Aguilera. At the very least, requiring him to create an account would make it easier to keep track of him. As it is, his vandalism is almost a weekly occurrence. Blueboy96 11:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Support - I don't like blocking a whole city, but it really is necessary. Will 12:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Support -- I concur; if AT&T won't do something about it, we have to do something to keep him off for good, or at least, make it harder for him to vandalise. As long as there are loopholes, Mmbabies has the "keys" to the Misplaced Pages "kingdom". P.S. -- In addition to bakersfield, he also vandalised some Dallas / Fort Worth stations in the past; and his vandalism stunts are actually almost a daily thing. -- azumanga 19:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Arbitation evidence being vandalised by Sarvagnya (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I have a right to post my evidence before the arbitation and it is being removed by a accused editor.Please help.It is for the panel to accept or reject my evidence.The arbitation page edits are only allowed by those giving evidence and they can edit only there section an accused editor or anyone cannot edit other's sections. Adyarboy 13:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That arbitration case is closed, I don't think you can add evidence there anymore. ~ Riana ⁂ 13:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I had given my evidence before the case was closed on July 10th.you can verify the date of my edit here..The case was closed on july 11th and my evidence cannot be edited by an accused editor on july 14th.It should remain on record and it cannot be edited by an accused editor.Thank you for your prompt responseAdyarboy 13:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This was also posted on my talkpage (I was clerk for this case) and I have responded there. Newyorkbrad 13:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Newyorkbrad I understand that No one should be editing the evidence page in a closed case.But Sarvagnya vandalised it by removing which I reverted to what was there when the case was closed. I understand I have taken up the issue with the admin.All evidence presented before the case was closed should be there and Sarvagnya or anyone can change what is there after the case was closed.Adyarboy

Sarvagnya was not accused of anything by arbcom. Obviously Sarvagnya thought your "evidence" was presented after the closing of the case. You are not remotely attempting to assume good faith. ANI isn't the "block shopping board" and neither is arbcom.Bakaman 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahem. Bakasuprman and Adyarboy, following Remedy #7 of the said Arbitration Case, I hereby hit the two of you on the head with a stick. Please feel appropriately chastised. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Adyarboy wasn't named as a party to the case, so Remedy #7 doesn't exactly apply here. Except, well, take a look at his contributions and tell me if you hear some quacking. BTW, that's an excellent stick. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you're quite welcome to have a go and try it out yourself. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The Fashion Icon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This user reverted an edit of mine. My edit had restored an image which had been removed under some fair-use claim (only one picture per page). A talkpage discussion had come to the conclusion that, since the images illustrated different things, both were perfectly in line with policy.

I warned the user for this - maybe slightly too strictly, but the reverting was the same as what about three IPs had done in the previous day or so. Fashion Icon then left this extraordinary message on my talkpage, which I replied to in the same place, since I was blocked at the time (I've since been unblocked). This discussion then ensued, and FI stroke out my "troll"-like warning.

I politely pointed out that though removal of warnings is allowed, it's not a good or smart thing to do. That message was also promptly removed. As a final resort to make the user see sense, I explained my original warning message ({{uw-delete3}} as it happened). FI deleted this explanation. I'm mainly posting this for general information purposes, but I'd be interested to hear any comments.--Rambutan (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Update: user informed of this thread. I'll post if s/he deletes the note.--Rambutan (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

please state where the "talkpage discussion " mentioned is, please state the policy violation, Tankyou The Fashion Icon 14:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Coming up... just hold it a moment.--Rambutan (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Right... the "talkpage discussion" regarded this policy page, which allows multiple images to be used if they illustrate different points. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure which written policy outlawed your removal, but if you can't see that undoing another editor's changes without explanation isn't right, then you've no future here. I suppose it's simply courteous to leave a summary (according to your favourite policy, we should be courteous), not that you should remove the image at all since there's a consensus that it should stay. Going against consensus is disruptive.

Ultimately, the image had every right to be there, and removing it could be vandalism. However, before you continue this debate, be sure that you have a purpose: WP:POINT and WP:TROLL are quite close at hand.--Rambutan (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

so one good faith edit constitues vandalism? and the grounds for claiming consensus are. . . .? The Fashion Icon 14:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It may have been good faith, but it wasn't right to simply undo someone's work without providing a reason. That can't really be good faith, in fact: if it was, you would have looked into the issue and then explained your point of view. The consensus I spoke of is the one which enabled the policy listed to become policy. If the consensus was not to have that policy, it wouldn't exist. Most people agree that more than one image per article is fine, since that is policy. May I remind you of WP:POINT and WP:TROLL again, please?--Rambutan (talk) 14:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no "one FU picture per article rule". As long as the NFCC is followed, a thousand near-identical fair use images can be used in an article. For example, When Your Heart Stops Beating has three near-identical colours. We have all three, all of them have rationales, and whether album covers pass the NFCC is left for another thread, though. Will 14:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So you are not claiming a concensus to keep the image in the article? Where did this "one FU picture per article rule" concept come from anyway? My objection was to the inclusion of a fair use image which did not convey anything which wasnt already conveyed in the other image. The Fashion Icon 15:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

FashionIcon, I'm not continuing this argument until you answer the following question to indicate that you're not violating WP:POINT and WP:TROLL. It's probably worth you reading those policies first, so you know what you're talking about. In fact, once you've read them, you'll see how my warning wasn't trolling.

• What is your aim in arguing this debate? Why do you want to win? I'm simply answering your questions, but you're asking them with the aim of winning. If that's your sole aim, then you must stop, because you're causing disruption and preventing me from editing Misplaced Pages as I normally would, just to make your point.

If you give a satisfactory answer, I'll continue to explain how Misplaced Pages works to you.--Rambutan (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

All I want is an end to your bullying and harrassment, initiated over one single edit, as agreed here , perhaps I am culpible in feeding the troll, I have encouraged this bullying The Fashion Icon 15:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Please note: I am not a troll, according to the official definition.--Rambutan (talk) 15:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The issue of whether the second fair use image should be considered on the article talk page, I don't think it is really a matter needing administrator assistance. Yes, The Fashion Icon acted incorrectly in reverting without discussion, but perhaps people were a little too hasty to label that edit vandalism. I would say that there is little to be gained from discussing the matter here, and the issue should be taken to the article talk page, civilly. There is no gross incivility here, no obvious rulebreaking, and I am sure you are capable of working together. J Milburn 15:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't concerned with the actual issue - there's nothing to discuss there, the policy is a bright-line rule. I was concerned at FI's behaviour, but apparently that's fine too! Good show!--Rambutan (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User: Jeffrey Vernon Merkey

This user has repeatedly deleted cited material over and over from the Cherokee Freedmen Controversy and has been violating the NPOV and AGF policy with false comments about the Freedmen descendants and pushing his POV all while claiming that the article is filled with “uncited materials”. I made changes to the article, but he deletes each change over and over again. He claims that I committed vandalism and “libel” to the page, but if you look at the entire page history, I have contributed to the article with multiple numbers of cited materials and the user whose he claimed I vandalized states that I didn't vandalize the page . He's accused me of being some user named "JohnC1" in the “talk” section and I've deleted his edits to my information page, but more have taken its place . He tagged my page with "This user is a sockpuppet of JohnC1" and I had no idea what that was until a fellow user told me. I welcome an Admin to check my IP and see that this claim is garbage. This person keeps harassing me on the page and now he wants users who have contributed to the article blocked (as you can see from the page history link above) and making some bogus claim that people contributing are "Freedmen that should be blocked" with another piece of unfactual information . Someone constantly manipulating the page to push his agenda makes no sense and I'm hoping that an Admin can resolve this because this is out of control.Stormshadows00 14:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a tough one. Clearly a content dispute. That being said, nothing rankles me more than one hair-brained editors accuse other editors of "vandalism", as if we can't tell the difference. A spade is a... But seriously, can't you guys work this out on the talk page? The Evil Spartan 20:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Image trolling by User:TonyWonderBread

TonyWonderBread (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has sent several users a message on their talk pages (including mine) containing Image:400alliance.jpg. This is apparently out of a fit of pique over the Sawing a woman in half article being speedily kept in an AfD he made in his first edit. To my mind, this is clear trolling--action would be appreciated. Blueboy96 15:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The image has been deleted, and I've left a note on his talk page asking him to stop. I'll keep an eye on him and take further action if he persists. Shadow1 (talk) 16:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So have I. Actually Blueboy you could have done that first before coming here. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

If it had been just me, yes, I'd have warned him myself. But he sent it to five others ... to me, that took it up a notch. Blueboy96 16:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh I think he was trolling all right. I'm just saying that you don't have to be an admin to open a dialogue with somone. Anyone can ask a user to stop being disruptive. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Aaliyahsnumber1fan

Can a kind soul please have a word with User:Aaliyahsnumber1fan? He or she is a new editor making many mistakes and I fear that my continual intervention may be perceived as harsh and unfriendly. He or she is already very close to warranting a brief block. --ElKevbo 16:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Haco adding spam links

User Haco (also posting as IP 89.98.105.183) has begun posting links to his own site on multiple cruise ship articles. He was warned beginning on July 6 and was blocked by GDonato for spamming links. He was unblocked a few days later and has resumed spamming. I have tried to engage him in conversation on his talk page but his only response has been to continue to post links to his site. Please see his most recent contributions where he continues to link spam with no discussion whatsoever. I am no longer interested in pushing multiple reverts on all of these articles where he is continually pushing his personal site. Thanks! Malson 16:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked the account indefinately and the IP for six months. Spammers are not welcome here. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for guidance

Dear Misplaced Pages,

Cyber-bullying is the key reason why many people choose not to interact on the internet. As an online community, we are not going to be successful unless we coral cyber-stalkers and bullies. Unfortunately, one user has successfully targeted me. This started when I entered Misplaced Pages to edit an article for an Iranian television station.

I added a list of the station's shows, but user: Perspicacite reverted my edits. He refused to explain his actions to an editor. . When I tried to correct this vandalism he had me banned on technicality for 3RR. Fortunately, the Press TV article has since been locked and is safe from his harm. I have also been unblocked.

Having found a target, he proceeded to unleash his wrath. Apparently by viewing my edit history, he discovered and targeted my article on Mark Levine (journalist), along with user:Zntrip . The article survived, but I had to waste time defending against the two of them. . He has been abusive and condescending on another Press TV page . Not satiated, he accused me of sock-puppeting. His accusations were shown to be baseless.

On a frenzy of harassment. he ignores my request to be left alone, and has now attempted to have me permanently banned. . His supporting evidence is the harassment described above, and his "ally" is the user Zntrip, with whom he had previously tried to ban the Mark Levine article. Note that even Zntrip has since abandoned him. In his request, he also falsely claims I insisted he was an Israeli agent.

All of this started because I wanted to add to an article for an Iranian television station. I have now had to waste days dealing with this cyber-bully, and it has caused me great stress to be targeted in this way. If this were the real world, I could easily get a restraining order. Unfortunately these sorts of people rule some parts of cyberspace. I think as a matter of policy Misplaced Pages needs to find a way to control this behavior. Misplaced Pages should be a place where parties share information by editing articles which interest them, not a playground for the mentally ill or anti-social. It is alarming to think someone like Perspicacite could have access to people's IP addresses and personal e-mail addresses (which I certainly will not reveal to wikipedia until I am more comfortable.) Articles related to Iran have just as much a right to exist as any other article, and I should not be targeted and harassed for editing one. I'm writing to see what protection Misplaced Pages provides against such behavior.

--Vitalmove 16:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see the comment in bold at the top of the page: Please make your comments concise. Administrators are less likely to pay attention to long diatribes. The Evil Spartan 19:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Billzilla

This user has now gone beyond pushing it too far. He was already warned for, after asking a reasonable question at Talk:George W. Bush, taking it to the level of trolling (blanking other's comments, calling Americans idiots, etc.). Now it's cemented on his talk page (calling, for example, me a dick). At risk of sounding rude, is this user just young, is he dense, or is he trolling? The Evil Spartan 19:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Whatever, he is now warned. LessHeard vanU 20:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

...and blocked for 24hours. LessHeard vanU 20:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

AFD conduct concern

Before I give out any warnings, I would like to know whether or not others here agree that Mandsford (talk · contribs)'s conduct at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anti-Iranian sentiment (3rd nomination) is inappropriate. Basically, Mandsford decided to ridicule my defense of my position on the page . because I had made 22 posts up to that time. As Mandsford is a relatively new user (approx. 750 edits) I responded by pointing out that I essentially was defending my position (as is expected in a debate) and further clarifying my position .

However, Mandsford's next response was "23...23...23...". IMO, this was much more uncivil than even his original nonconstructive comment, so before giving him the user talk page warning that I think he deserves I'd like to check with you all that I am approaching this correctly. Does a warning sound appropriate? Thanks for any advice. The Behnam 19:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I would say this is a non-issue. Yes, he was rude, but I'm afraid you hurt your case a bit by responding a bit rudely yourself. The Evil Spartan 19:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I can see what you are saying; I suppose that I may have been getting a bit too frustrated with stuff going on. But what about Mandsford? I figure that he acted that way because he is too new to realize that taunting isn't considered appropriate in debates. Can you nicely tell him something about that please? Honestly, I'm afraid that if I do he'll just be snotty with me. The Behnam 19:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, now that I've called for delete on this page myself, that might not be a good idea. Besides, sticks and stones my break my bones - just forget about it. The Evil Spartan 19:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Hopefully the fact that you removed his trolling will send the message anyway. The Behnam 19:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Velikovsky

I lost my account password on my other computer and so began editing as User:Velikovsky to look at some of the catastrophism pseudoscience. I was surprised that Ian Tresman was editing he is extremely well-connected in the Society for Interdisciplinary Studies and makes much of his living by doing web-design for that group. I don't think he should be editing those pages and posted a WP:COI warning on his page which he did not take kindly too. He also reverted a change I made to Anthony Peratt's page about his new-found amicas with Velikovsky supporters. This user reverted it and placed a warning at User talk:Velikovsky. I'm in over my head. Can anyone help me? User:Dr Submillimeter recommended on Misplaced Pages Talk: WikiProject Physics to leave these comments here. --Mainstream astronomy 20:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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