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Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Anonymous Contribution
		I hereby award you, the anonymous contributors hailing from 156.34.0.0 - 156.34.255.255, with The Barnstar of Anonymous Contribution, for the unsung and thankless service you have rendered unto Misplaced Pages, in your countless minor edits and bigger contributions over time. They have made a difference in our community and hopefully retelling this event to the barmen you encounter may bring forth the odd free beer to wrap in your hand. Thanks!--Alf 14:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC) and Bubba hotep 14:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

tears, smiles, waves to the audience as he walks down the podium, kisses losing IPs on the cheek. 156.34 is a team of bored librarians(and the occasional vandalising student...but we'll ignore them). On behalf of the "library crew"..we thank you for the token of Wiki-appreciation. 156.34.142.110 14:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, this has more historical significance than appears on the surface. You see, this is probably the only Barnstar young Alfred has given out this year (something about losing the keys to the cabinet or something) so, as such, is rare indeed. Guard it with your life. ;) Bubba hotep 14:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I've swallowed the Barnstar key :) . Twenty years ago...in a bar in Halifax...I met Lemmy. He's not a very big man but his presence in the bar seemed to cast a veil of fear and trepidation over all the bikers and longshoremen in the establishment. With great anxiety I walked up to him and struck up a brief conversation about A) That I was a fan and B) That Motorhead's music really meant a lot to me.( I had tipped a few I expect I sounded like an idiot). Lemmy simply smiled/grunted/said thanks and clinked my glass. If I can stand up to him....Misplaced Pages vandals are easy. Have a nice day. 156.34.142.110 15:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Superb. :) Bubba hotep 15:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		What can I say, if there's a job to be done - you do it and you do it well. Thank you INXS-Girl 17:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

You're more than welcome and thank you for the nice reply (blushing now.) INXS-Girl 17:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you so much for the Barn Star, I don't know what to say. I don't have much time right now (only about an hour a day for the Internet) but, yes I'll look at the list of banjo players on Saturday (fingers crossed.) Take Care INXS-Girl 14:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

List of banjo players

Oh God, what a mess, I've added a message on the talk page; what do you think? I really have to go off line now, but will help all I can. INXS-Girl 14:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Re list of banjo players - you know I'll try and help if you need me but I don't want to get caught up in an editing war. Have you seen List of harmonicists? Now that is a mess. Look after yourself and have a great weekend INXS-Girl 10:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that the page looks great, well done. Somebody did the same kind of thing on List of Stratocaster players, you can see how much hard work has been put into that (even though they won't let me add Tim Farriss because someone said he'd never heard of INXS, which made me smile.) It's great to see an editor who is willing to talk things through with other editors before leaping in and deleting things. Nice one INXS-Girl 11:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I quickly VERY quickly grabbed a few extremely noteworthy pinkers and started a secondary "priority" list. I didn't feel overly confortable doing that as 'priority' = pov BUT those players... + a few more in the 'red list' are well known and respected players who have been oversights for articles. Ref resources for them should be easy to find and, someday soon hopefully, I can double back to them. I think the inclusionist felt that if the red links were rm'd completely from Wiki some very influential artists would be lost for good. Certainly not the case. It all just takes time. 156.34.142.110 13:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Bang your head

Yes, I really should have wittered a bit about the quality of cites, maybe I've had to express that sentiment too many times to be fresh on it. You have probably noticed that Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Motörhead has been created, as I don't frequent much Project space I've no idea how well a (stable) ip editors are treated there... want to find out? As someone with a broad understanding of the field, your comments may be needed to keep us hard core fans in check ;) --Alf 17:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Gladly, thanks for the invite. For lack of anything else... I am a good sweeper of naughty vandals and a "re-do'r" of concensusy type things. Ahoy! 156.34.142.110 17:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for joining the Project! Arundhati lejeune 18:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Flag Icons

Hi, I noticed that you removed a flag icon from Humble Pie (band)'s infobox without discussion and indicated that it is not allowed as per Misplaced Pages Music Project guidelines - I have since been told by several people that flag icons can be used, this seems quite a confusing issue - could I have your comments please? Many Thanks Sue Wallace 20:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a sticky issue. Several "Flagcrufters" think they are pretty. These are the same kind of half-wits who think that the word "virtuoso" is encyclopedic or that adding different colours to the musician infobox is important. I simply follow the lead of a few veteran Wiki administrators whose opinion on these types of situations is always very well thought out and valid. Opinions I respect a lot more than a few teenage fan/flag/colour-crufters. Flags are cruft... plain and simple. Find an Australian artist article... and then go find a New Zealand artist article and try and figure out how the flag is supposed to improve them? You can't tell one from the other at the size they're entered at. And there are dozens of users edit-warring over whether to use the Flag of England or the Union Jack on English artist articles. You were actually quoting the wrong edit summary when you were removing them. My "Proper formatting" edit was to replace the coded breaks with the preffered commas and to rm the wikilinks from the years.(years are only linked if they have a month/day included) The flag rm falls under WP:FLAGCRUFT which is a separate guideline all together. Sorry for the confusion. Have a nice day! 156.34.212.94 21:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reply, sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I do see what you mean about flag-icons, and some people probably do use them excessively, I honestly did not add a flag for that reason (actually I can't remember if I added the flag to Humble Pie's page or not now). Although I normally revise articles I'm interested in, I guess we probably all do that to an extent, I do always try to stay neutral and back any information up, but I am still learning and I'm always keen for others to help me out. If I can be really honest with you, I thought you was picking on me, because when I looked at other articles you had amended today, you had left the flags in those, so I was a little "miffed" and confused. Once again sorry we got off on wrong foot. All the best, Sue Wallace 22:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Copied from floater page

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For your anonymous vandal fighting! Cheers, JetLover 02:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Peter Frampton

Could you possibly take a look over the said article? I have already reverted 2 edits of an I.P. and obviously do not want to risk a third. Would you be able to give me your opinion on it and whether it's fair to say that there are some mistakes in there? And, also, some material has been omitted by the I.P. address. Thank you in advance, hope this doesn't waste your time. Scarian 17:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! :-) You also have yourself a good day! Scarian 17:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw the criss-cross patterns of your I.P. address and his on the 'History' tab... I cleaned up the 'Career' section a bit; removing poorly written material, adding tags etc. The best thing is to inform someone else so an edit war doesn't happen, ergo so we both don't get blocked. Unless he's gone into a state of severe, acute obsession with this article, I suspect he'll forget about it soon enough and someone can delve in and start the healing process. Will go through the rest of the sections. Thanks for all your help, friend! Scarian 18:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Comradeship through a 'difficult' time.

		The Original Barnstar
		to WikiPerson for their great efforts designing articles. Scarian 10:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I am humbled by your offering :D. Have a nice day! 156.34.142.110 13:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Pretty shiny. KOS | talk 14:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That's in my police profile.... an abnormal fixation with small shiny objects... take caution :D 156.34.142.110 14:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Bye Bye

I've come to say bye bye, things at Misplaced Pages are really getting to at the moment; I'm making silly mistakes and people are taking what I say the wrong way. I think when things like this happen you have to step back. Take care and thanks for your kindness (and Barnstar) Vicky INXS-Girl 10:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S Well done on the new Star.

Thanks for the lovely reply - I'll be back in a few weeks. Take care and keep the lists warm for me. INXS-Girl 18:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahoy!

Apologies about the barnstar, actually. I did find a better one, but couldn't locate the coding for it. I undid his latest revision approximately 14 minutes ago. I was in college at the time so it wasn't a proper revert, but I assume it counts. I have to be careful what I say here, and in other places just in case any of these going's on come under scrutiny. The edit summary was: 'Admin's version=fine'. I hope that's okay. I have it in my watch column at home now. Scarian 13:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you take a quick peep to make sure I did the right thing on the band page now? Thanks, friend! Scarian 15:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no worries, thanks. I did, in fact, know that :-P I just didn't want to start accusing anyone of that type of thing. Just as I got your message I did add something to the discussion page of the said article. Anyway, I'm sure I'm annoying you, I'll turn my attention towards a different article for a while. Scarian 15:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Haha, a Librarian that swears... Whatever next? ;-) I have a favour to ask, actually, I added in a piece of information I read in a news article about Stoke-On-Trent. It's about the smoking ban that came into effect in England. I added it in under 'Adminstration and politics' as I believe it to be the correct section. But I'm not 100% certain if it should be under that section or there at all. Could you give me some librarian guidance? Would be much obliged. Thank you very much. Scarian 16:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I recall you talking about an 'SG'. Is that a real Gibson SG? 'Cause that's a beautiful guitar. Expensive too! And a stack amp! What sort of music do you play/listen to? I have a Les Paul copy, myself. Still, weighs a tonne and plays like a dream. But, unfortunatly, I have a weak 10 Watt piece of crap that can barely talk ... Awesome to hear that you play! Scarian 22:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio tracking

I've been trying to track that Wishbone Ash picture copyvio any ideas of where it's from, I'm very bored of looking at old Wishbone Ash pics now.--Alf 14:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It popped up in a googly look yesterday. I will hunt it down again and post the url. Moeron's keeping an eye on Jacks pictures as well. He's quick at tapping sources.(much quick than I am) When he comes back online, I will see if he can relocate it as well. 156.34.142.110 14:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks.--Alf 14:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Peter Frampton

Hi friend, is that you who has just edited big time on that page? Wanted to make sure just in case. Scarian 22:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey no worries! I'm just bored with nothing to do... So I'd thought I'd check on Pete to make sure he hadn't gone and gotten himself edited... badly. In reply to your gear list: Wow! That's a hefty load of music being punched outta there! How does your wife cope, eh? Hope you're keeping well buddy! Scarian 23:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

...What a lovely person. Scarian 17:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Goth cruise

I need some back up on this one if you're around. Article is blatant advertising and POV. Could you give it the ol' once over? I've been reverting this user's continous removal of my speedy deletion tag and then he finally added {{hangon}} after I warned him. Thanks friend! Scarian 17:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox changes

Just wanted to signal you - there is no guideline or consensus specifying comma-delimited genres in the infobox. Some editors prefer break-delimited - and, without consensus, there's nothing to support a universal change. (At some point, this issue should be clarified in the template.) -- ChrisB 17:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not in the guideline but it is clearly marked out that way in the example given... which, unless the musician project suddenly changed it, would be the verification needed. I would love to see it marked out in the specific guidelines. It's really a matter of... casual users and "newbies" tend to lean with the coded breaks while the "vets" (especially many admins) prefer the commas. Editors aren't supposed to "own" articles. But if you look around many of the music articles... as I do... you will see that many of our valiant admins :D have taken concrete ownership of their favourite band pages. And nary a 'br' appears on any of them. Not to chastise the admins as most of them are longtime "Wiki-friends" whose opinions I respect when it comes to the project. After 40K edits here I know which ones I don't mind sheeping in behind to follow their lead. It would be nice to see it get decided one way or another within the musician project. But I don't hold out hope there... the project spins it's wheels for weeks and weeks trying to pick out pretty colours rather than just cut to the chase to ask themselves... "Why are we using these ugly and absolutely useless colours in the first place" :D. If such a discussion and consensus happens I would appreciate someone letting me know. For now I'll just follow the example as it is the only place where a decision seems to have been made. Ahoy 156.34.142.110 17:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC) "Libs"

I need some strength to my faith!

Don't worry it's nothing religious. Thanks for the kind words before, friend. It means a lot. Well, the story is: I reverted one I.P.'s (70.44.51.202) edits to an article, Myles Heskett, simply because they were crap, right? No citations, original research, POV style of writing, and just not encyclopaedic. The fellow comments me asking if I could reverse his edits back to the way they were and help him cite his sources and research and how to write it 'good'. So I return his comment, I spent a little while how to cite web pages and how to write properly etc. His original comment to me opened with 'Sup'... Now, I'm not a conservative, but I prefer a more formal greeting . I asked of him, as a personal request, not to greet me that way. He replies, after me giving him some assistance with:

(A response to that stupid response I got) Ok. When is the word sup informal? Damn man, you gotta be the biggest nerd ever. This is the internet , bro. If you care about Grammar so much, shouldn't you be an English teacher instead?

Learn to take it like a man next time. I wasn't trying to offend you but that dumb comment ranting on how it's so "informal" just ticks me off.

Man, I hate admins.

Seriously.

and

(again) Ok. When is the word sup informal? Damn man, you gotta be the biggest nerd ever. This is the internet bro.

Learn to take it like a man next time. I wasn't trying to offend you but that douchebag comment ranting on how it's so "informal" just pisses me off.

Man, I hate admins.

Now, that irritates me. I replied to it on my own talk page because I don't want it to be a bitching contest or anything like that. And I know this guy is a kid, obviously, because of his language etc. But it just gets me down, I'm not one to go after praise for doing a good deed, but the least I expected was some civility. Sorry for the long message... I just gotta keep cool and stay with. Hope you're well! Scarian 11:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

You're seeking strength from a foul-mouthed librarian/Motorhead fan :D ??? AGF is a harsh wiki-rule to follow. I've been here a long time. My own personal AGF is stretched so thin it holds no water. Daily I have to "backspace" many harsh edit summaries and replace them with standard policy quotes because of my ever growing AGF impairment. I diligently cling to the AGF bandwagon by my fingernails and hope I can maintain for another day. It's easy to SAY just forget about it and move on. But it's not easy to actually DO that sometimes because you're trying to be dedicated to all aspects of the project. But.... in the end... you just have to forget about it. If you are dedicated(and I believe you are) you will be here a lot longer than any of the vandals/spammers/pov'rs and soapboxers that come and go here everyday. If you have a bad experience with an editor... you can be fairly sure that the troublesome editor will probably not last too long and you won't cross paths with them again in the future. I get nasty remarks left on this Static IP talk page every now and then. I simply remove them with the edit summary "back under the bridge with ye" and move forward. It's not as easy when you are a 'login'. You have an identity here and a "virtual personality" so an insult becomes more direct and personal as well. I've certainly been there. By the time I rejected my user account to become an anon my userpage had been vandalised by over 100 users. Some of them were multiple repeaters who would come back to Wiki every three months with the sole purpose of vandalising my page. I learned to AGF, to maintain dignity and civility... and to just walk away. The positive experiences more than outnumber the bad ones. And that is why I am still here. Have a nice day and... Ahoy! :D 156.34.142.110 12:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hooah! Thanks for the words, friend. Means a lot. Okay, have kept an eye on Pie76. Have reverted a couple of his edits. Seems to me as though user has little to no idea of how to use Misplaced Pages. When/how did you suspect him to be a sockpuppet? All the best. Scarian 13:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Some trolls have habits that they repeat from one account to the next. This guys usual trait is to make threats on talk pages like: "You guys have 3 days to clean this article up or I'm gonna have to start deleting things myself". Kind of a dead giveaway there don't you think?. It just becomes old hat after awhile. A sockpuppet report has been compiled by a different user for admins to go over. Wheels seem to spin on those types of investigations so it's up to diligent editors to clean up after him until he gets blocked. I am pushing for a community ban on him. If such a ban can be implemented all of his edits, regardless of whether they are valid or not, can be rv'd at will. But those things don't happen overnight. He added threats and nonsense to several user talk pages yesterday. The fact that he's still going is sad. Thanks for your help! 156.34.142.110 14:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Good work! He's blocked on a 3RR. Scarian 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Just popping in...

Just thought I would pop round to see how you are. How are things going? Couple of queries... Why are there so many Misplaced Pages policy pages? I swear they outnumber the amount of articles on Misplaced Pages in total. And, also, a couple of bots seem to have been archiving my talk pages (One of whom I requested to) but to where have they been going? I, apparently, have a sub-archive page somewhere but it's a red link, indicating that my pages aren't where they are supposed to be... Perplexing! Anyways, you take care Mr.Pirate ! Hooah. Scarian 01:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk page archive bots is a topic I'm not familiar with. Even when I was a logged user I always arch'd my own talk page manually. My regional weather has been amazing and Wiki has been losing out to my bicycle. It was good hearing from you. As always... have a nice day and... Ahoy! :D . 156.34.142.110 12:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mr.I.P., thought I'd pop by again 'cause I'm pretty darn pee'd off at the moment. Was using VP and saw that an anon had changed all the 'Imagines' to 'Imagin', in an article. There were a darn large amount of changes in it. So I reverted it immediately. I then get an administrator coming to me and telling me off for doing it because I suspected it of vandalism and 'crufting' (I stole that word off of you, sorry!). The admin says I was incorrect and the user was just translating, which is fair enough. If I make any further edits like that he says he'll delete my monobook. What a bastard. I'm pretty darn annoyed. I messaged him back basically saying: I was looking out for the article, that many edits did seem highly suspicious, assume good faith, don't threaten me when all I was doing was looking out for the article. Grr... Anyway, how are you? How is the biking going? Scarian 02:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking through the admin's talk page, I discovered that he had been reprimanded (albeit just discussed) for WP:BITE by several other admins. I found this incredibly ironic and I just had to say so... I know I shouldn't have done this, but I added to the conversation: "I have to say, this is one hell of an ironic conversation, don't you think so, buddy?" - If I get blocked for being nosy and cocky, just tell them I'm a comedian and it popped straight away into my head! Scarian 02:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

That particular admin has a spotty past and has been brought before Wiki peers for discussion before. I personally have never had an issue with him... I may have even supported his RfA??? I am not sure... as a logged user I supported/opposed many and I can only remember a specific few who were "above and beyond" and worth remembering. I didn't review your edits... but for an admin to threaten sweeping your monobook over a content dispute is a gross misuse of the toolbox. I've known of a few admins who've actually created lists of editors they've had content disputes with for the sole purposes of referring back to them when that, usually very good, editor get nominated as an admin themselves. Basically they were making a pre-judged oppose list long before the editor even had a chance to be nominated. They didn't just write these lists on a sticky note beside their PC they had them as part of their own userpage/subpages. They should have had their privileges rm'd for it right then and there. Some since have... for other reasons. But others are still abusing their admin status on a daily basis. Some admins are trustworthy and noble and believe in what that project is supposed to be about. Some admins are lazy and useless and do absolutely nothing here but blog and socialise. And then there are others who are just pricks and assholes. I'll leave it to you to decide which kind you had your disagreement with :D . 156.34.142.110 12:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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