User talk:Rossami - Misplaced Pages

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Awarded for your creativity and thoughtfulness when wading through VfD discussions.

Please accept this barnstar. I'm impressed that you never seem reluctant to handle the tough, convoluted VfD closing decisions that lots of people shy away from. Joyous 03:26, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

David E. Ritch

Hi, I've been working to improve the David E. Ritch article (cleaning up, adding headings, removing POV and the like), and since I've fixed it, I was wondering if you'd consider changing your vote. From your summary, I understood that your opposition was due to the son of the subject writing the article; now that I've stepped in, it might be a little bit better. However, it's your vote, and therefore your call. Thank you for considering it. Cheers, Bratsche 04:26, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

re: Nez Perce Stake Race

Thanks for deleting the article. I do think Nez Perce Stake Race deserves a place in Misplaced Pages—at least I learned a lot from looking it up. I suppose eventually it could be merged with other horse show competitions into a single article , but it would still need to be a redirect as anyone trying to find it would look for Nez Perce Stake Race. DialUp 02:42, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mahir Cagri VFD

You might want to revisit your vote, since there was no VFD held on it and very few edits to the article itself. Mike H 08:26, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Postal districts

Hi there! Since consensus seems to have been achieved, I've closed the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy/Postal district. Could you please read the conclusions posted there and add a short msg to its talk page if you agree? Thanks. Radiant! 10:27, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Myg0t

I'm not sure why you blanked the new vote... I think voting is still in progress, and in any case both votes should be preserved and archived when voting concludes. -- Curps 01:27, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Help?!?

I got confused about the page that I needed to create for making a vote to nominate a picture for featured image status, and wound up making two. My guess is that one of them will need to be deleted, but I have no idea which, and I would rather not guess on this since it took me 2.5 hours to figure it out. The picture in question is titled "Missouri missiles.png", and if you go to it you can see the two pages I'm talking about. Can you help? TomStar81 03:45, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chris 73 just volenteered to delete one of the two pages, so make sure an check to see which one is up for deletion. Thanx TomStar81

Cris 73 delted the redunt page, so you don't need to. Thanks TomStar81 03:57, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Universism Undeletion

Rossami, please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion#Universist_Movement Universist 03:48, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Being the person that made the teenager comment, I was thinking of Scott, having seen his picture. I got him and BM confused (BM started the deletion and I was thinking of him). How could you take it to mean you, you did not express an opinion against I do not recall, you were just the admin that tallied the votes and did the deed. Here is an even more NPOV version of a Universism article that has been submitted to me: http://universist.org/npovuniversistmovement.htm As for using Misplaced Pages for publicity, that is not the case and not what is meant by my comment on the Faithless forum. If you dig on the Faithless forum you will find a comment from me in December stating that only 20 click-throughs or less came to universist.org via Misplaced Pages when the article existed, which is insignificant for us. Given that Misplaced Pages exists, and understanding what Misplaced Pages is and what is good for it, Universism should be in it. Not being in Misplaced Pages is bad for Misplaced Pages and looks weird for Universism given its status. Given this information, and that you seem a fair minded person based on your handling of the VfD, I would appreciate your reconsidering your vote Rossami. Universist 20:50, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Old

Please make sure you alert me before making changes. Otherwise the bot breaks. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:11, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

VFD/Old/To close

Hey Rossami, just wanted to drop a note that I created a to close log list page that may be useful to you. Later! -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:24, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. I just noticed the VfD backlog and started closing them as I used to (before they were kept on day archives). I didn't consider what effects be-headering the page title might have. Cool Hand Luke 00:26, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Truelove Eyre

Thank you for cleaning up after this VfD. To pick a tiny nit, I actually count 5 non-anon, non-newbie keep votes: myself, Capitalistroadster, Foobaz, DragonflySixtyseven and Sn0wflake. So many people changed their minds that the page became a bit of mess. May I amend the count, or would you prefer me not to? GeorgeStepanek\ 01:07, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, it doesn't change the result, but if there's ever another VfD, a previous tie is better to work from than "no consensus, but the majority was in favour of deletion." Thank you for sorting that out! GeorgeStepanek\ 01:45, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

re: VfD closings

Hi Rossami. The reason I closed the VfDs but didn't delete the articles is because I'm currently not an admin. Although I'm up for admin (RfA), I can currently only close the discussions. I thought it would be helpful to add the top and bottom templates to assist the regular closers in clearing up the VfD/Old backlog. If I do become admin I plan on making VfD closing a priority, starting with the easy (unanimous) votes. Pending the result of the RfA, I plan on sticking to votes with a "keep" or "redirect" consensus, so I don't leave any more incomplete closings. Carbonite | Talk 12:58, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fortunately, the majority of my closings were for two dates (March 1st and 2nd). I went through and compiled a list of VfDs that I closed as "delete" but the articles were not deleted:

Hope this helps. Sorry for any issues I may have caused. Carbonite | Talk 15:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mi Ulimo Adios

Hi Rossami. Thanks once again for your help. Just to let you know, I moved the article to Wikisource:Mi Último Adiós, then changed the Mi Último Adiós/Poem into a redirect back to Mi Último Adiós. I have also removed the page from the Transwiki request page on WP:VFD/Old. --Death phoenix 05:53, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Multiple lines in VfD nomination

I notice you condensed the multiple lines of my nomination at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Pictari. I'm not complaining (the result ended up good, which I didn't expect when I decided to use more than one line), but I'm curious: why did you do it? Is there any hidden rule I didn't find in WP:GVFD or elsewhere? Was using multiple lines confusing?

cesarb 14:01, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Understood... How about adding to the guide "Avoid using multiple lines on your nomination or comments unless they are really needed, because they might get broken by replies."? And then a condensed version of the example... I think this discussion should be moved to Misplaced Pages talk:Guide to Votes for Deletion, it would be useful to have something about it in the Guide. cesarb 18:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Criticism of Prem Rawat

You suggested to try mediation but that has already been tried. Also several request for comments have been tried. The articles Prem Rawat and Criticism of Prem Rawat were even in the top 100 last year of the most edited articles. Nobody is willing to merge the two articles and thus re-open the can of worms. I dunno what to do next. Andries 08:20, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This has been discussed to death, and the last round on the VfD was as intense as the edits themselves. I don't know what we will gain by attempting to merge, but another four months of endless blather and edit wars. ≈ jossi ≈ 06:23, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

In regard to your request for context, I woukd ask your permission to email you instead of posting it here. The reason I ask that is that I do not want your talk page to become yet another massive, and highly strung discussion on the matter. That is what has happened just recently on the VfD for Criticism of Prem Rawat ≈ jossi ≈ 16:47, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

You have mail. --≈ jossi ≈ 19:57, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

VfD on Afrophobia

Hi!

I just wanted to announce that I've overhauled the afrophobia article, and we're brainstorming future additions on its talk page. Some Wikipedians have changed their votes after seeing the revamped article. Binadot 07:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is a VfD nomination counted as a "delete" vote?

No, Mikkalai was being a PITA. Rick K 00:46, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

WP: DICK

You might want to vote at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion#April 13. Zocky 20:46, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: User:Radman1/keepschools

Would you mind taking the VfD header box out of your keepschools template? It's playing hell with the format of the VfD discussion. The box disrupts the bulleted votes and confuses the attribution of your comment. It also creates conflicts for those of us who use Korath's script to hide the discussions which have already been closed (which I do to find and close the remaining ones faster). I don't want to discourage you from saying anything you want in the VfD discussions but this particular format slows down my ability to close the discussion. Even just taking away the box commands would be a big help. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 03:23, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, not at all— if you or someone else removes the header I will not revert the changes, nor will I make any other edits to the page until the close of the discussion. —RaD Man (talk) 08:59, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

VfD headers

Good evening. I am working through the backlog of VfD decisions and trying to get some of them closed. In the process, I found several articles where you removed the VfD header saying for example "Been on VfD for a month, removed the notice as cleanup." Please do not remove the VfD header unless you are formally closing the discussion. When users take the initiative to remove the header, it can really throw off the workflow of the admin who later tries to close out the discussion. Whenever I find a missing header, I must immediately assume the worst and scrutinize every vote and history file for evidence of bad faith actions. (Sadly, history has proven that people try to abuse the process that way on a regular basis.) On some articles, the extra steps and reviews can be incredibly time-consuming - time that I don't have when we are so badly backlogged with old VfD decisions.

If you would like to help close out some of the VfD decision discussions, please review Misplaced Pages:Deletion process and its accompanying Talk page. We could use the help. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 07:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is good advice, the two to three I removed seem to have been done improperly as few, if any, people had voted in a month. I had voted myself one one which had one vote but noticed it was a month old.

If there is a backlog that seems to mean that there is too much VfD happening. Perhaps a system where two or more nominations are needed to put something up on VfD, and once something has been on VfD it cannot be resubmitted for a period of 3 months.

I'll take a look at your links to know the VfD system better, thanks for the info. --ShaunMacPherson 09:27, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vfd blunders

Thanks for taking a fresh look at the article and cleaning up the vote table. Your opinion is wrong, of course. :-) But it is your right to take a pessimistic view if you choose to. - Pioneer-12 05:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pav Vfd nom

Thanks for cleaning it up. Niteowlneils 23:45, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

WP:VFD

I think I rather differ with you regarding vandal's entries in VfD. We don't hesitate to revert vandal attacks on any other part of Misplaced Pages; why should VfD be somehow fair game for vandal garbage to sit for a week? It's not like there was any ambiguity about the nature of that entry, nor any chance whatsoever that it would pass; it was trollery in its purest form. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 00:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

VfD Untransclusions

Thanks for the tip. Is there a particular length you look for them to get to? -- 8^D BDAbramson 02:17, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)

The article you're concerned about, reckon it's pukka. 500 miles was indeed a track by the bespectacled Proclaimers, and the track is on the spunge album. --Sgkay 15:42, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Sorry about that. I haven't helped with VfD maintainance in a long time. Not used to the new procedures. They're kind of a pain, which is probably a lot of the reason VfD gets so backlogged. Isomorphic 23:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Rossami, is it really necessary to have a link from the article back to the VfD discussion? The VfD discussion has links to an external site which says things which are deeply offensive. Indeed they probably cross the line into libel. Nothing can be done about the text on that external site, but I should very much prefer not to have links which point to it. There are user communities whom I try to serve who would not understand. Evertype, 13 May 2005.

Improper VfD deletion

There was no consensus to delete Brandenn Bremmer, but you did it anyway. There is no logic to this process; it is the work of an angry mob. Many people wrote "speedy delete" even though it was not a candidate for speedy deletion. This shows the biased mentality at work, and their votes should be disregarded. Another person said I should be banned from wikipedia for writing the article. Another person falsely accused me of writing a "vanity" article. And so on. It was an ugly display, not to mention a totally unneccessary waste of time brought about by fanaticism and idiocy.

Shame on you. Mirror Vax 18:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with just about all of your points above. However, if you feel strongly that the decision was in error, you should use the process at Misplaced Pages:Votes for undeletion. Rossami (talk)
As you might guess, I too disagree with most of what MV says. (I'm also wondering if I'm a fanatic or an idiot in MV's eyes.) However, I might agree with what I think is MV's main point: that there was no consensus to delete the article. But there were more voices for deletion than for preservation, and I think there was an (undefined) "rough consensus", which is all that was necessary. (MV may of course argue that it wasn't even a rough consensus, that "rough consensus" is meaningless as long as it's undefined, etc.) -- Hoary 04:45, 2005 May 15 (UTC) ....PS hello hello, there's an essay toward a definition in this "semi-policy" page. -- Hoary 05:51, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
- Perhaps a more apt term is intolerant. User:Hoary slapped a VfD on the article two hours after initial creation. Two hours. And then, of course, any flaws in the two hour old article were used against it in the VfD process. User:Hoary then placed messages on several people's Talk pages alerting them to the VfD, starting the feeding frenzy. The result of this intolerance was a significant waste of time, and a slightly worse encyclopedia. Was it worth it? Mirror Vax 05:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Pipes on disambiguation pages

The question of pipes on disambiguation pages might be a little more complex (e.g. when linking to an anchor point). Please visit Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation/Style and weigh in on that proposal. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:04, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

The Enzo Ferrari essay

I had begun a new article for the content at History of Ferrari, as I mentioned on the VFD page. I would appreciate it if you could recover that long rambling thing long enough for me to get a copy of it... --SFoskett 12:57, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the restore! I'm not actually sure if I'll use any of that article, but it does provide some inspiration. --SFoskett 13:09, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

VfD: Hot Afternoons Have Been in Montana

This is just FYI. You handled the Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Hot Afternoons Have Been in Montana, a one-line article which was made into a redirect to its author's article Eli Siegel. I just discovered that a separate article had previously been created, Hot Afternoons Have Been in Montana: Poems, which has substantial content. So I've changed the redirect to point there. Hope this is all proper. Thanks for your efforts in the VfD department. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:47, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Sounding board for "harmonics theory"

I'm glad my talk page was able to help you all by itself. Sorry I missed you. Joyous 14:51, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

I've read over the discussion, the article, and the talk pages. Holy cow! What a train wreck! I think you handled the whole messy business very nicely. If I hadn't already slapped a barnstar on you for things like this, I'd give you a barnstar. Joyous 19:26, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Khonnor

Although I know neither the artist nor his music, I am rather upset with the voting in this VfD and, I'm afraid, with your decision to override the vote count to delete the article. In particular, I take exception with your noting that you have been unable to verify the claims made by the people who voted keep: I have read several glowing reviews by fairly reputable sources, and I have verified that the artist has been prominently featured on MTV. For a musician not doing mainstream and not on a major label, this is pretty much as notable as it gets. I am convinced that the artist himself and/or friends of his did edit the article, although they had little to no influence over the final version. At some time, those peole were also an annoyance (by creating several articles that were clearly VfD material) and disruptive to this VfD, and I suspect some sock-puppeting may have been going on, as well, but you arrived at an 8:8 vote counting after discounting those. On the other hand, many votes were clearly cast to spite the artist & co., and your summary argues along the same lines. ... I am tired of it, so I won't list Khonnor for undeletion. I hope you will use your discretion differently some other time. Rl 06:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Mr Tan

I understand your irritation, and I had no wish to spark off the debate (though I suppose that my experience with Tan should have warned me) — but while I'd have had no complaint about your making a strong plea for everyone to shut up, I'm surprised that you deleted the whole section, including my initial request (which I believe is a proper use of the Noticeboard). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I can see your dilemma; is my solution OK, do you think? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD Bot extension

Yes, it can be done. I can also run to remove off all remaining ones as well. I can replace the  to  if you like. -- AllyUnion (talk) 04:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Done. Sorry for the delay. I've been busy with real life issues. Everything after the 9th of June will automatically do as you request as the bot closes each VFD day. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD Bot assistant

I was thinking of programming a bot that would "assist" in VFD tasks. Basically for text editing purposes only. It would not have the power to delete pages, but it will allow anyone to use the bot to assist in closing debates, like removing the VFD tag, and what not. What do you think? -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:44, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The bot would be present to assist in the closing of the discussion. Basically, I already have an idea about how it will look like. Furthermore, no modification to any existing template is necessary.

You'd be presented with an initial form of a listing of all the VFD votes.

At the top, two things will be required: Your Misplaced Pages signature as it would appear in the Wiki Code, and your Misplaced Pages username

There will be a box for a "user's default personal text" for the notice that is placed on a talk page - this can point to some wiki code that exists on the Misplaced Pages or it can be typed out.

A default comment to add to the bot's comment (left blank)

Between each listing will have the following:

Several radio boxes that check marks one of the following results: Merge, Keep, Delete, Transwiki, Speedy Delete, Redirect, No consensus (kept), Other. The "Other" field will allow a person to enter a different result other than above
The resulting "comment" or "tally" (required)
Whether or not to remove the VFD notice from the article or whatever namespace it is
Whether or not to insert a notice on the talk page (subject to a user's personal text or an automatic one)

The bot's default comment would be something like: Requested assisted work from USER

The bot's default signatures would be something like: --~~~~, activated by SIGNATURE

Process for a "Keep" vote:

Insert the two closing templates
If the VFD notice is requested to remove, it will do so.
Insert tally / comment
Insert comment on the talk page (if requested)

And so on for each of the others. The redirect box will have an associated box that indicates the page that it should be redirected to. Stuff like that. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:56, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Note, the bot's work would be principly to cut down on editing and inserting text into various articles and such. Nothing more than that. It should not replace the steps to view, check history and etc. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anarchism vs. anarcho-capitalism

I don't exactly understand how the page cannot be deleted. You wrote - Despite a clear majority arguing for deletion, the necessary concensus for deletion was not reached and the decision defaulted to "keep" for now. If this article is not substantially improved in a reasonable period of time, it may be appropriate to re-nominate it for deletion. I will further note that the concensus was against the separation of this content as a separate article.

Please explain. - -max rspct 19:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Answered at User talk:Max rspct#re: Anarchism vs. anarcho-capitalism

SLA members merge

Hi Rossami, thanks for your comments and actions on the SLA member merge. I felt that both being bold and merging, or VfD-ing was going to be controversial, so I opted for a consultative process. I'm fairly new to all this, and still finding my feet in terms of best wikipedia practice. Thanks again, An An 08:17, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I was just wondering if you missed Camilla Hall on VfD. Her decision was rendered by another admin., and now there is a revote which might result in a keep. I'm fine with merging or keeping each SLA, but I think it will be a bit odd if all of these decisions aren't consistent. Just thought I'd bring her to your attention. Thanks. Xoloz 07:26, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)