Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by MarkBernstein (talk | contribs) at 03:34, 13 August 2007. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Eastgate Systems

Eastgate Systems (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

non notable publisher. completely unsourced. ⇒ SWATJester 19:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Established in 1982, Eastgate has published many of the key works in new media. They've been reviewed in the New York Times Book Review, the Washington Post, and most other major newspapers. They're regularly taught at dozens of universities throughout the world. The nomination for deletion comes out of the blue, without discussion and without making any effort to improve or extend the article. Keep. MarkBernstein 23:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not incumbent on me to improve the article, it's incumbent on the creator to make it sourced and verifiable. ⇒ SWATJester 01:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Strong keep Despite the undeveloped state of the article, Eastgate was important in the deveopment of pre-web hypertext. The nominator claims no expertise in the history of hypertext pre-web. Since he is a legal intern for Wikimedia, I refer him to Mike Godwin, Wikimedia's current legal counsel, who in around 1995 thought that Eastgate style hypertext was sufficiently interesting to invite me to demo it to a class he was teaching at the time on New Media. --Pleasantville 23:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC) aka Kathryn Cramer

• Comment It should be noted that the above editor has a close relationship with Eastgate Systems. Secondly, Mike Godwin, nor myself or my position have a thing to do with this deletion debate. I should note that the above editor has provided absolutely no actual rationale for keeping, nor any sources for the article, nor any evidence of notability, other than WP:ILIKEIT, and a fallacious appeal to authority. ⇒ SWATJester 01:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand how you can initiate a deletion debate and comment upon it and have nothing to do with it. Please explain. OF COURSE I have a relationship with Eastgate -- I say so. Do you know anything about this subject, i.e. pre-web hypertext? --Pleasantville 01:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I do not need to. No special knowledge is needed to edit wikipedia ⇒ SWATJester 02:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No more damning comment could be adduced by wikipedia's enemis than "no sp[ecial knowledge is needed" to excise articles from wikipedia. To a reader of scholarly or inqusiitive mind, no further edit or discussion of notability is required, as any discussion of the history of literary hypertext or hypertext fiction will establish the facts. To intelligent readers, I commend Robert Coover's familiar NYTBR essays (1993, 1994), George P. Landow's HYPERTEXT: THE CONVERGENCE OF CONTEMPORARY CRITICAL THEORY AND TECHNOLOGY (Johns Hopkins Press, now in its 3rd edition), Michael Joyce OF TWO MINDS, J. Yellowlees Douglas' THE END OF BOOKS, Chris Funkhouser's brand-new PREHISTORIC DIGITAL POETRY (University of Alabama Press, 2007), Kate Hayles's WRITING MACHINES (MIT, 2005), or indeed just about any book, monograph, or essay on the history of hypertext fiction and new media in the past 20 years.

• AfD debates (Science and technology)
• AfD debates