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The International Music Industry and the Internet

Looks like a personal essay. The same user/author(?) also added Misplaced Pages:Sociology of Misplaced Pages via Rorty and Berger, which I wikified a little and moved to Misplaced Pages namespace as it may be interesting to wikipedians.--Nabla 00:44, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

Delete. OR, WP:NOT crystal ball. Massive unwikified text dump of a speculative essay, much of which is unattributed quotes. Looks like someone's homework. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 01:03, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete as an essay. Mr Bound 02:01, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete per Android79 -EDM 04:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete concur with other votes, doesn't conform to wikipedia layout standards. Srcrowl 05:16, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete - POV essay. Blackcats 09:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Original research. 23skidoo 15:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete per android. StopTheFiling 18:22, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep If wikify-able. I have done some edits to remove the layout objections, but this is quite obviously someone's term paper. However, I think there is useful information here which is not original research, but collation of many articles already out there on paper. --Habap 19:08, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox or a place for OR, however, I think there is much to save from this essay that is verifiable and NPOV. It will require a great deal of trimming and cleaning-up but could be the start of a very good article. DoubleBlue (Talk) 22:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think a lot of those issues may already be covered in other articles, but if somebody wants to take the time to re-write this, then I'll change my vote to "keep." Blackcats 01:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This article needs major cleanup. It's obviously full of POV and the conclusion lets us know it's somebody's research paper. Keep iff it's had major revision by the end of the voting period, otherwise delete. RickK 05:03, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
- I just realized something. As I said, this article reads like somebody's homework... what if it is a rough draft of some student's paper, and we are cleaning it up for him/her? Could be... AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 16:01, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Delete POV original research. JamesBurns 06:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment I think it could be useful if someone were willing to remove the arguments, take out the stuff that makes it a research paper and make it NPOV. I got tired after trimming it down and also trying to do the same with SoGamed. I think it should get tagged for NPOV, Cleanup and wikify rather than deletion. --Habap 18:33, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Despite the work that various editors have tried, still not good enough. Delete.DS 14:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Starfox movie

Not notable. Vanity. It is a fan made video game movie that hasn't been released yet. It has no relations with Nintendo. The website is quite amateurish with default image manipulation effects. Chill Pill Bill 00:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete Non-canonical. Gotta applaud this level of fan dedication, but an encyclopedia really is not the place for it. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:19, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete for fanon and WP:NOT crystal ball (just a little bit, though). Mr Bound 01:55, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. I agree with Bill. Adun 02:18, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Thunderbrand 04:12, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, NN K1Bond007 05:34, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete wikipedia is not a crystal ball. JamesBurns 06:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete NN, fancruft Lectonar 12:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yet another delete. StopTheFiling 18:25, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Lin kuei

Fiction masquerading as fact, fancruft from the mortal combat domain -- pcr 00:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

also Lin Kuei which appears to be a duplicate -- pcr 00:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete both as severe fancruft. It was difficult to tell until they mentioned Sub-Zero, et al. Mr Bound 02:00, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Most of it is just fancruft. However, the term Lin Kuei does exist in the Mortal Kombat series. So unless it's trivial, a rewrite is also good. Nestea 03:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
delete. also a copyvio (although the page is not available, this is the google cache). Brighterorange 03:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Weak Keep. This can be turned from fiction masquerading as fact by simply placing at the beginning, "In the mythology of the Mortal Kombat series of video games, ..." Copyvio is a different problem, but fixable, and not one for vfd. -- BD2412 04:18, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
- Eh, I fixed it a bit - made it clear that it's fiction, and BOLDLY REDIRECTED the original page to the properly capitalized one (since they were duplicates, no harm, no foul). I have no desire to fight to keep this, tho - once the copyvio is scratched out, there may be only enough left to merge into some character article. Cheers. -- BD2412 04:26, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete non notable fancruft. JamesBurns 06:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, important to Mortal Combat fans. Kappa 11:21, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep Lin Kuei, though obviously if it's copyvio then will need a re-write. - Lochaber 11:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge as per WP:FICT. Martg76 21:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
keeep this too please Yuckfoo 18:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I edited it a LOT. I kept all the previous information (let's call it "BS") in the bottom two sections, with a note that says it's disputed. If somebody can point to a source (for instance, MK: Defenders of the Realms or some such), then that'd be fine, but as it was, it sucked. The other sections now come straight from the games, except where noted. It's very complete, though maybe somebody could find a better word for "roboticization", as it currently links to a site from Sonic the Hedgehog :-) As for keeping, I say Keep if only because of the time I spent on it (cross-referencing as necessary). While Sub-Zero's page has some similar info, I think focusing on the group has an interesting angle (especially if future games delve into it more).

Keep. — J3ff 02:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Now that its been made clear that it's about Mortal Kombat. -- Crevaner 04:57, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. There's tonnes of this stuff about various computer games, this is no less notable than most of it Stephen 12:14, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep due to no consensus. There are nine delete votes, and eight keep votes, but one of those is from an entirely new user who's first edit was to vote on this VFD, and it is discounted. Still 9-7 is not a sufficient consensus to delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Naruto.no

Non-notable website — J3ff 00:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. wikipedia is not a website directory. Website has alexa ranking of 576,606. Frankchn 02:09, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete website advertising. JamesBurns 06:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete nn, spam. the wub (talk) 09:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Website vanity. Sarg 14:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Naruto.no is probably the biggest Norwegian anime-related community to date, and consists of more than the web site in itself. At any rate, the article seems no less relevant than the one concerning the Something Awful forums. Ninuor 21:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep good enough for me, Ninuor. SchmuckyTheCat 03:58, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep as per Ninuor. — Insta ntnood 04:14, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Keep What Ninuor said. Besides if you follow Alexa, naruto.no has gone up 2,054,508. Havok 07:46, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Isn't that, like, down instead? Grue 17:28, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - It's ranked 600,261 right now. To put it in perspective, Norway's biggest gaming store is ranked 858,772. I'm just saying that Alexa shouldn't have anything to do with this. Havok 17:33, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Alexa ranking is ridiculously low for that kind of site. Grue 17:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep I agree with Ninuor. Sketchu 22:07, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Weak keep. Pavel Vozenilek 23:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep NSR 14:47, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete per trivially low Alexa rank. This says something about the other Norwegian anime-related communities. Radiant_>|< 21:57, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
- "The traffic rank is based on three months of aggregated historical traffic data from millions of Alexa Toolbar users and is a combined measure of page views and users (reach)." I just find it hilarious that you guys find it a problem with this article being on Wiki. Also that you so blindly follow Alexa. It's not saying much about the anime community in Norway, since I really doubt many norwegians use the Alexa Toolbar. Havok 00:50, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Per Radiant. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:31, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. -Sean Curtin 20:12, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete under section 1.2.1 of Misplaced Pages:Candidates for speedy deletion. - Mgm| 08:10, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Addison dent

non-notable/vanity page - this is clear from the content Gblaz 01:30, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete- vanity page, nothing notable --Rschen7754 01:57, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, vanity/notability not established. Mr Bound 01:58, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Speedy section 1.2.1 --Xcali 03:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Speedy delete, per Xcali. -- BD2412 04:27, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete vanity. JamesBurns 06:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mattias Josefsson

Translator, notability not adquately established. Created by IP address, no links to article. Reccomend deletion. Also delete redirect at Mattias josefsson. Mr Bound 01:54, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete, nn. the wub (talk) 09:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete: Translators work in the shadows, alas, and thus they are very rarely encyclopedic. Geogre 11:48, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete per Geogre. StopTheFiling 18:31, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete nn vanity. The second cousin part is especially telling. --Etacar11 21:46, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep. Very important guyman. --64.229.92.23 01:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Note that this anon account has voted seemingly nonsensical keep votes at a variety of VFDs, as seen at Special:Contributions/64.229.92.23. Sarg 12:04, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tenchi-Alt

Non-notable website. Gets 129 Google hits and article itself mentions its ranking. KramarDanIkabu 01:55, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete, notability not established. Mr Bound 01:57, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete same reason with Mr Bound. Frankchn 02:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete website advertising. JamesBurns 06:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete - original was one big ad and was marked for speedy delete for that reason, the author came along, removed the speedy delete, and made the current entry. What's there now isn't as bad as the original, but it still doesn't belong. StopTheFiling 18:37, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

The Contest

An anon just created this article, and it describes an episode on a TV show. At the most, it should be merged with the article on the TV show- unless Misplaced Pages gives articles to every episode of a show? Flcelloguy 02:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep and rename to The Contest. Many TV series get the article-per-episode treatment on Misplaced Pages, and there are already some for Seinfeld. In addition, this might be one of the most famous/popular episodes of the show – it's certainly one of my favorites. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 02:14, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep Per Android79. --Xcali 03:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and rename as per Android. This was one of the most notable Seinfeld episodes. Capitalistroadster 03:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I moved it to The Contest, as this could be done without disrupting the vfd process. Wasn't this episode voted to be the fan favorite or something of that sort? -- BD2412 04:29, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Keep Not only do I love this episode, its masturbatory theme makes it an arguable landmark in the history of US television. Xoloz 05:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep -- notable episode, even in UK --Simon Cursitor 07:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, needs expansion - personally I prefer to see omnibus articles of episode guides by season however if this was a particularly notable episode then I'd prefer to keep. -- Lochaber 11:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand per above, but rename the article The Contest (Seinfeld) as the current title is too generic and there are probably other episodes of TV shows that have this same title.23skidoo 15:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- There's no need to pre-emptively disambiguate the title. The article's first line clearly explains that the article is about an episode of Seinfeld. If and when someone comes along and wants to create The Contest (foo), disambiguation can occur then. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 16:01, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, expand, and rename as per 23skidoo. –DeweyQ 15:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, this could be the most notable episode of a very notable sitcom. ErikNY 18:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. NSR 20:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge into a list of episodes. Not enough information to warrent independent article. Martg76 21:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, I made this first and me and my friend are going to try and fill in as many episodes as we can each with their own link from the List of Seinfeld episodes
Keep, add it to the growing list of Seinfeld episodes with articles including Male Unbonding, The Stake Out, and The Trip, Part 1. The Simpsons has an article for almost every episode and I envision each of these articles will have a uniform look with sufficient detail (see Who Shot Mr. Burns? for more details). We have to start somewhere. --Will2k 13:56, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, but should the list of seinfeld episdoes page be linked to the seinfeld page concerning the show in general?--K zappa 19:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge into a list of episodes. --Micahbrwn 05:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Religous nelly & Religous zealot

According to Google, "Religious nelly" is a not a common term. Results 1 - 5 of 5 for "Religious nelly". Another article created by the same person is "Religous zealot", please note the missing "i" just like the nelly one. Anyways could zealot be more of a stub or merge into an established article? According to Google, it is a common term. Chill Pill Bill 02:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

delete both. There may be some room for an article on religious zealotry, but neither of these would be a good starting point. Since they're spelled wrong (and the misspellings are not common), and do not contain useful content, both should simply be deleted. Brighterorange 03:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete both per Brighterorange - he's exactly right. -- BD2412 04:34, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Redirect "Religous" Zealot as a common typo misspelling. Xoloz 05:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete: Both terms are just the usual petulance. There are too many synonyms for an article on this. You could have fanatic, fundamentalist, religious conversion, and, of course, the real Zealots, who were a political faction. Geogre 11:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Religous nelly, not a term in real use. Redirect Religous zealot to Zealot. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete both. I do not like support of typos, this can get out of hand. Pavel Vozenilek 23:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Religous nelly and redirect Religous zealot per Xoloz. I agree that this typo is common enough to be redirected. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:57, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was delete. An examination of the history of this article reveals at least two previous deletions, including one directly before this listing. Moreover, a superior (and older) version of this game already exists at Misplaced Pages:N degrees of separation. Finally, policy discourages redirecting from the article namespace to the wikipedia namespace. Mackensen (talk) 16:32, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages game

Non-article material. Rmhermen 02:47, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 06:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
"Userfy" or "Move to Misplaced Pages namespace" are options I am considering, but I'm leaning towards delete. — JIP | Talk 06:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Redirect to ~~Misplaced Pages:Wikifun, as per Wikifun~~. SWAdair | Talk 06:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- The wub had it right. It should be Misplaced Pages:Department_of_Fun#Games. SWAdair | Talk 09:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Jeez, I bet no-one's thought of that before... Redirect to Misplaced Pages:Department_of_Fun. the wub (talk) 07:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Redirect to appropriate section in Wikifun. Maybe we should make a small mention in Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, of how this game could be played on Misplaced Pages too? Mgm| 08:14, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Very good idea. SWAdair | Talk 09:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Oh, wow. Some people have way too much time on their hands. I just found Misplaced Pages:Six degrees of Misplaced Pages. SWAdair | Talk 09:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
redirect or move to somewhere in the WP namespace. Also, anyone find it odd that thtere's no stated rule against creating a link yo the target page on the start page? -R. fiend 17:21, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Page already exists at Misplaced Pages:N degrees of separation Jaberwocky6669 22:54, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Reduction (linguistics)

Delete- This article is saying that sez is a reduction of (says) Excuse me, but how is sez a reduction of says? That's how says is pronounced even in isolation. sez is only a more phonetic spelling spelling than says. sez is how the word says is pronounced. It's not a reduction 205.188.116.132 03:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep. Could use some expansion, but it is a legit linguistic concept. -- BD2412 14:31, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Keep. Article is well-written, informative, and encyclopaedic. To the original anon IP: It all depends on how you pronounce "says". jglc | t | c 15:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep: it is a perfectly ligitimate but someone does need to do a little more with the article, maybe even consider it as a stub for expansion. By the way, this is the second legit article from Category:Phonology that I've seen put on VfD by a user from IP number 205.188.166.xxx. The other is Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/H-cluster reductions. Bambaiah 05:12, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. It's true that sez is not a reduction of says, but that's hardly a ground for deletion of the whole article. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 06:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Uber-Correspondent

Neologism and/or very limited localized radio promotion--only one displayed hit for "Uber-Correspondent" iain, which is on the given radio station's website, and only 7 names on the list are identified as "Uber-Correspondent"s. Niteowlneils 03:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

delete neologisms. Brighterorange 03:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete, or face the onslaught of the Uber-Foo. -- BD2412 04:53, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete: Ubermenschen would not need to advertise. Geogre 11:55, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Pavel Vozenilek 23:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, I actually think it's quite interesting and isn't hurting anyone. Besides, it's quite unique and gives a good idea of the character of Iain's show.
- Unsigned vote by Samblock (user's 4th edit).
KEEP oh go on, its a bit of fun and its releveant to the show. dont be so mean and grumpy
- Unsigned vote by anon 213.146.155.194.
Keep, he's coined it.
- Unsigned vote by anon 80.44.229.206
KEEP I am Iain Lee's American UBER Correspondent and if you delete this page you will be sentenced to listen to Clive Bull for the rest of your life and lunch with George Bush!! --LuciaL 10:03, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- User LuciaL has all of 8 Misplaced Pages edits - all to this VfD.

These are not the droids you are looking for

Already has a section in Notable lines in the Star Wars series. No need for its own article. KramarDanIkabu 03:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merge. The seperate article has a lot more information than the subsection that Kramar is pointing to; while the phrase likely doesn't warrant its own entry, what is there goes well beyond a dicdef or simple explanation and could be used to bolster the subsection.--Mitsukai 03:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merrrrrrge. No articles on lines from movies, please (unless the line is more famous than the film). -- BD2412 04:35, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Keep and expand -- needs fleshing out with the plethora of spin-off lines which now populate C20 culture. This was All Our Basses before AOB got started. --Simon Cursitor 07:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) (Mis-spelling of Bases intentional, to keep people awake (and as a fish-joke -- see ISIRTA)

Comment. Although it's a well-remembered movie line, I see no evidence to support that it has achieved the same level of use as, say, "Here's lookin' at you, kid" or "You talkin' to me?". 23skidoo 13:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merge, no need for articles on specific lines from films as noted above. Mgm| 08:18, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Merge - for all the reasons stated above. Blackcats 09:46, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge to Notable lines in the Star Wars series. No way should there be separate articles for individual lines in movies. — JIP | Talk 09:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Marge Besides, we shouldn't have articles, the titles of which end with a dangling preposition. Gzuckier 13:17, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- A preposition is a bad thing to end a sentence with. qitaana 23:40, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Merge as above. 23skidoo 13:29, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge ditto -- Francs2000 | Talk ] 13:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge. Nothing against Star Wars, but . . . --Scimitar 14:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You should move along to Notable lines in the Star Wars series. jglc | t | c 15:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge. There are plenty of Jedi mind tricks, not all worth their own article: You don't want to sell me death sticks. You want to go home and re-think your life. –DeweyQ 15:46, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Oh... Oh my. My whole life has been wrong. Crack is bad! :)jglc | t | c 20:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge and redirect to Notable lines in the Star Wars series. -- Lochaber 09:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Hooray, someone's noticed my new article, Notable lines in the Star Wars series! — Phil Welch 15:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Further comment: I've merged it to my new article, Notable lines in the Star Wars series. Vote to redirect. — Phil Welch 15:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mark Jen

Keep or merge with Blog or Google. Mark Jen is not the only person who has a lost a job as a result of what s/he put on his/her blog, so you might want to have a section of the Blog article relating to "perils of blogging in a work situation where the rules are not clearly stated" or something like that. In the meantime, keep the stub as is.

Delete Famous for writing a blog and being fired for it... please.... Bloghate 03:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Bloghate's crusade notwithstanding, this guy's really only notable for being a moron. Delete, although I wouldn't oppose a merge somewhere; say, into Blog, where this could be used as an example of the perils of blogging about your employer. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 03:59, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete this one. Merge would be harmless. -- BD2412 04:52, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Keep or find somewhere to merge. While Mark Jen may or may not be notable, the event certainly was. Blog doesn't really deal with the legal issues that have been being raised in the blogosphere, such as Apple Computer suing a Harvard undergraduate who runs a popular Mac information website for disclosing details about unreleased Apple products. Those issues need to be covered here some place. DS1953 05:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete non notable. JamesBurns 06:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge. I don't mind a mention about the legal issues of blogging in Blog, but this guy isn't really notable for his own article. - Mgm| 08:20, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. This guy is notable. I learned about him recently when he was interviewed in a NPR program. I can't remember the exact program (need to check it out), but believe it was a country-wide (i.e. USA) program (could be Talk of the Nation, but not 100% sure). From what I heard, he is a very sensible guy and sound nice. He wrote his blog in his private time to keep in touch with family and friends, and Google was too harsh to fire him for that. Google didn't accuse him of acting in bad-faith or making false statement, the corporation just don't like an employee "talking". This raise a number of issues regarding employee's rights, blogging and whistle blowers (They are not "morons" and I strongly object the use of this word by AиDя01DTALKEMAIL). I'm not a contributor of the article nor related to Mark Jen in any way; just someone concerned about civil rights. I apologize for not providing specific details, but please research and reconsider, thanks. -- Vsion 09:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- If he said he "wrote his blog in his private time to keep in touch with family and friends" on that show, then he misrepresented himself to quite a large degree. He revealed information about unreleased products and financial issues at Google. Perhaps calling him a moron was a bit harsh, but publishing this sort of information on the Web within weeks of being hired without thinking about the potential consequences is a bit naïve, to say the least. His case has almost nothing to do with civil rights or whistleblowing. I have researched and considered this – I read all about it when it hit Slashdot – and took a look at his blog again before casting my vote above. The guy is not notable outside of the context of this flap with Google. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 12:55, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Merge per the above. Legal issues are interesting, this person is not. R adiant _>|< 12:15, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete as forgettable. --Scimitar 14:29, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge into Blog. When I first read about Mark Jen, his was just one of five examples of people fired for similar blogging missteps. He is not an archetype for this kind of idiocy and therefore does not merit his own article. –DeweyQ 16:02, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge. If no appropriate place can be found to merge then delete. People get fired every day for all sorts of things. This is only slightly out of the ordinary. -R. fiend 17:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete (or very, very weak merge) unless we're going to start having articles for everyone who's ever been fired for doing something dumb. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:06, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Merge into Blog or Google. The event was notable. --ElfWord 11:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete This is clearly an attempt to raise the popularity of his blog and hence earn more revenue through Google's Adsense program! Strong Candidate for Delete! Ram 11:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Contributions by nominator are suspicious given the (potentially offensive) user name. Considering an WP:RFC if these disruptive actions continue. Hall Monitor 17:12, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merge either into Google or Blog. Should there be a section on bloggers who have been fired in Misplaced Pages? (I'm thinking of Dooce, Washingtonienne or Queen of the Sky ) --TNLNYC 22:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
keep' this please he seems notable Yuckfoo 22:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Matt Stoller

Vanity blogger page Bloghate 03:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Not notable. Looks like vanity, indeed, with the inane comment about dogs. Alexa for bopnews.com, which is not actually mentioned in the article: 111,307. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 04:01, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete vanity. JamesBurns 06:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand. Not vanity--the article was contributed by someone other than the subject if you check its history. The inane bit about dogs is lifted from the blurb on the 2004 Democratic Convention descriptions of bloggers they accredited. Matt Stoller was one of these, a distinction also left out of this tiny write-up. User:Betsythedevine
Keep. Notable in his field. Not only one of 123 bloggers at DNC 2004, he wrote the Democratic Convention's official weblog with the official blogger, Eric Schnure . --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I Googled this guy's name and got 92,700 hits.--Kross 15:05, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep Doesn't look like a vanity site - it even fails to identify his birth date. Unless, of course, that is just a sly trick.... However, it sounds like he was at least among the bloggers that the parties decided to take seriously. (This despite the fact that I cannot be troubled to read his blog.) --Habap 18:48, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand. Influential in bringing a presidential candidate into the race, how can he not be notable? That aside, he is distinctive for his coverage of the DNC and other political events. --ElfWord 11:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, Stoller is notable. Kaibabsquirrel 23:03, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. This is a disruptive VfD nomination. Rhobite 02:25, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I object to User:Bloghate's POV attempt to purge all blog related articles. -- Infrogmation 02:27, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Contributions by nominator are suspicious given the (potentially offensive) user name. Considering an WP:RFC if these disruptive actions continue. Hall Monitor 17:11, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was KEEP - a couple more keep votes than deletes; delete voters seem to be objecting to a list as unverifiable; therefore, I'm going to remove the examples and leave the explanation of concept. -- Jonel | Speak 07:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Signature Song

Dicdef, no potential for expansion, except for the potential of a useless and unverifiable list of "signature songs"—Wahoofive (talk) 04:03, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I disagree. Keep. Notable concept, and not expressed here as merely a list of songs (although a few examples would be nice). -- BD2412 04:37, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Keep, notable concept. I added a few examples. Kappa 06:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Great, now it's a dicdef with some examples of somebody's favorite songs. How did you decide that "Purple Haze" is the Jimi Hendrix signature song (as opposed to, say, the Star-Spangled Banner)? Maple Leaf Rag is a much better-known song by Scott Joplin than The Entertainer, although the latter got a bunch of attention by being used in The Sting. All you did was add the song you know best by each performer. Six months from now it will be a random selection of people's favorite songs from their favorite bands. There's no verifiability for this list. You just made the article much worse by adding these. Without those it's still a dicdef.—Wahoofive (talk) 15:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - I got 3 of them, including Purple Haze, by googling "signature song" and knowing that they had articles. Someone else had already added "signature song" to Respect (song) so that's not just my opinion. Is it controversial? You seem to be right about The Entertainer, so I'll that out, using the magic of an editable wiki. Kappa 16:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I don't have a particular opinion on this, but I would like to see it moved to Signature song (note the lower case s in "song"). Mgm| 08:22, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Nevermind, just moved it myself. - Mgm| 08:24, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Pretty good article now, notable concept. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand. Notable concept. Capitalistroadster 17:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No vote at present but lists like this generally degenerate into crap as people add whatever song comes into their head. I can easily see this becoming a list of one-hit wonders, for instance.. -R. fiend 17:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete, unverifiable and subjective. After Kappa's refusal this spring to accept the concept "answer songs" (often discussed on radio shows such as Blues Before Midnight) as being distinct from "referential songs", I have a hard time with his claim that "signature songs" are well-defined and encyclopedic. Barno 19:17, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Um I claimed that answer songs are a subset of "songs which refer to other songs", is that concept hard to grasp? Kappa 19:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete - far too subjective to ever be encyclopedic. Which is Styx's "signature song," Babe or Mr. Roboto or Blue Collar Man (Long Nights) or...? See where this is going? --FCYTravis 22:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I see that you would either leave Styx off the list or remove the Examples section. How does that equate to delete the article itself? DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:34, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. The article itself is an encyclopedic explanation. The four examples only serve to clarify the concept more. This article should not devolve to an unverifiable list of signature songs. Should the examples be controversial, just remove that section. DoubleBlue (Talk) 23:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep although I also share R. fiend's concern about this becoming a list of one-hit wonders. Hopefully editors will boldly remove songs that are not really signature songs, although as FCYTravis says, it is not very objective. In my mind, a signature song means the one song that a popular and well-established singer (a much higher standard than merely a "notable" singer) is identified with even though he has had success with a variety of songs. I don't really understand what the current article means when it talks about songs the artist is "praised" for. DS1953 23:48, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- and by the way, in my opinion, many, if not most, well established artists are known by their body of work and have no "signature song". DS1953 23:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - This is the problem, we need someone who's had more than one hit (because, let's face it, "567-5309 Jenny" is not the sort of thing we need in this article) but they have to be widely known for one song above all else, but not too much above all else (or we're back in the one hit wonder grey area). I'm sure someone will add Tom Jones singing "It's Not Unusual" and I have no idea if that's enough above the hits like "Delilah" or "What's New Pussycat" to qualify, and I can see debates going on about such things (if anyone cares). These things are always tricky. And I still don't think anyone's taken care of the needed work on the cult musician article, which has similar issues. -R. fiend 02:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- How will you and DoubleBlue make this verifiable?—Wahoofive (talk) 23:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - DS1953, I like your explanation better: "the one song that a popular and well-established singer is identified with even though he has had success with a variety of songs." Will you edit the article to make this improvement? DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:00, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    - I'll give it a stab as soon as I get my real work done for the day... DS1953 00:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - Wahoofive, I don't think a list is verifiable (although I think the example of "I Left my Heart in San Francisco" and Tony Bennett would gain almost universal acceptance as a "signature song") but I think an explanation with a few examples is verfifiable (i.e., the concept of a signature song is valid). I am not proposing a list of signature songs and I would hope (maybe unreasonably) that additions that don't garner almost universal agreement should be removed. DS1953 00:05, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - Wahoofive, TonyBennett.net: "his now renowned signature song, 'I Left My Heart In San Francisco'", BBC News: "Franklin ... best known for her signature song Respect.", 45s.com:"'The Wanderer' ... is considered to be Dion's signature song." Hendrix is less clear; though google supports "Purple Haze". I can see how it could become problematic and wouldn't mind if the examples section was removed. DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    - Well, I hope you're right. I have visions of revert wars everytime somebody adds the latest top-40 hit. Without the list it's still just a dicdef (and a pretty clumsy one at that: "an artist may have one or many signature songs..."). I don't deny the concept exists but I can't see this becoming encyclopedic.—Wahoofive (talk) 01:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep valid concept. A useful list may emerge, but that would be at a linked page (List of...), rather than at this one. Grutness...wha? 02:53, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- A separate list? That's the worst idea yet. -R. fiend 03:04, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep with a cleanup of the text towards a cleaner definition. I'm not sure about keeping the examples, but then I don't think we need a list either. Vegaswikian 05:46, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete this list is very POV subjective and quite possibly unmaintainable. JamesBurns 07:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete This screams subjectivity. Some songs by an artist are more popular in one market than another. --Madchester 17:19, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
Delete. This is a really bad idea for all the reasons given by the delete voters. Look at the article, after keep voters have improved it. "A signature song is a song considered to be the best material produced by an artist when they are at their artistic peak." -- considered best by who? Who says when they are at their artistic peak? "These songs are often praised by a particular performance of them by an artist at a concert or other event of significance." -- how is a song praised by a performance? I don't understand that sentence. "An artist can have one or many signature songs and they can have different signature songs in different parts of the world depending on where they are praised." -- lovely. One or many. How about I just say that all 38 of Elvis Presley's top 10 hits were his signature songs. I see no hope of verifiability of this ultra-subjective categorization, and not verifiable means not encyclopedic. Once the unverifiable material is removed all that's left is a dicdef. Quale 09:47, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nozomi Online

Fledgling website with Alexa rank of 5.4 million. User also embarked on a 70 entry spam campaign across every Jpop entry.

delete

lots of issues | leave me a message 04:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Shameless self-promotion of an insignificant site. -- Hadal 04:30, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete website advertising. JamesBurns 06:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete, website promotion. Alexa rank of 5.4 million is far from important. - Mgm| 08:26, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Travis Fahey

Delete...written by anon, almost appears as self-promotion. googled subject, no real results. Srcrowl 04:34, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Not notable (no claim to it anyway). Could be an attack page. -- BD2412 04:51, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete vanity. JamesBurns 06:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong delete, Travis Fahey gets about 36 Google hits none of which seem to point to him being a professional author or award-winning journalist as claimed. - Mgm| 08:28, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Mild Shock, I am Travis Fahey. I must say I am a little shocked by the reaction to this listing, thus far. Upon checking my email yesterday, I discovered that a close friend of mine had created a listing in Misplaced Pages as a joke. I took it as that, a joke, despite the fact that I am, indeed, a two-time award-winning journalist from Burlington, Vermont. When you google my name, you'll mostly find references to my careers since; I have since worked in public realtions at Middlebury College and currently work as a corporate communications specialist. I think you all need to find something else to do with your time than berate what is clearly a humorous, albeit factually accurate, entry and a playful jab between two friends. - [[User:travisfahey|[[User talk:travisfahey|08:28, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, This Travis Fahey is obviously an unsavory character who must be stopped immediately. The repercussions to this fine, upstanding Christian web encyclopedia could be endless if we don't remove references to violent, degenerate gun-toting whiskey drinking liberal writers, like the said Mr. Fahey. Good luck and God Bless you strange little men... - [[User:phineasPEgo|[[User talk:phineasPEgo|09:35, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Note: last two edits are part of some bizarre joke; non-existant users misappropriated Mgm's good name. --BD2412 13:50, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete --Xcali 14:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete, and quickly. I need to get back to my hymns, all this talking about scotch makes me feel bad. --Scimitar 14:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Not good enough for BJAODN. ral 315 18:38, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete vanity/prank. --Etacar11 21:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes by non-existent users

Strong Keep I exis' and i respek dis fine guyman.--64.229.92.23 01:22, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comment - 166.19.102.20 made the previous nine votes (below) attributed to non-existant users, and vandalized the signatures in the votes of several users (i.e. ) -- Plutor 17:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The following users do not exist --Scimitar 18:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC):

Keep --User: Fasshishel 15:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: Gimminy Crickets 15:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: Much Tewilliger 15:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: indelliblewatermark 15:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: CranialApathy 15:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: thewonderboy22 15:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: underworldrenegades1 15:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: WTFJKITUP 15:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep --User: HTMLISFUN 15:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just delete the page--the response was simply a protest about how seriously people are taking this. And by the way, it's not "hacking" or "vandalizing" if the page is open for HTML editing by the public! Just read the statement below--If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. Chill out.

No, it is still vandalising; simply not hacking, in the most proper sense. jglc | t | c 18:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages uses Vandalism in a technical sense, not in the ordinary dictionary meaning. RJFJR 22:07, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete for sockpuppetry and personal attacks. Rick K 05:09, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Susan Lulgjuraj

Entire article reads: Susan Lulgjuraj is a journalist for the SPORTS section of The Press of Atlantic City. An online newspaper. Only 91 Google hits , some of which are from a DVD review on 21 Jump Street (not sure if they are the same person). Notability not established, might be vanity. Delete. JamesBurns 05:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete, nonnotable. Looks like an attempt to turn the red links at The Press of Atlantic City blue. I'd say delete the Journalists heading of that article so it doesn't happen any more. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 06:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete: Not notable at this time. We can solve that redlink problem by unlinking all those names in The Press of Atlantic City. I really wish folks didn't automatically link every proper noun. Angr is right: delete the whole section "Journaists." Geogre 17:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete not notable. --Etacar11 22:20, 15 Jun 2005

Cleanup I agree a little bit with Agnr but I think its just needs some more information, because I have read the newspaper [[The Press of Atlantic City; and I have read an article that Lulgjuraj wrote.--MLSfan0012 (UTC)
- no contribution history by user:MLSfan0012. Megan1967 05:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep This should stay because though on Google there are a few number of hits the first few articles make plenty of sense about her...I think it should be a biography stub instead. --DCUnitedRock23
- This user's only edit. --Etacar11 15:18, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete article fails to establish notability. Megan1967 05:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

PC Load Letter

Neologism from a movie. Delete. Alphax 05:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep or merge into Office Space. --SPUI (talk) 05:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
~~Merge~~ (Changed mind: Keep) - It is a tough decision. (Keep or Merge) "PC Load Letter" is a notable phrase in a cult movie. (Slashdot's references it a lot especially with the "IT" post icon, the red stapler) It is not a neologism. It is a printer/copier machine phrase, too. However, it is probably best known because of Office Space. --Chill Pill Bill 06:02, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment Not voting because I don't know the particular phrase. But in any event, it needs to be cleaned up, whether kept or merged. ral 315 07:34, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete Office Space article already covers this more than adequately. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:05, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge to Office Space --Xcali 14:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge to Office Space. Please, no articles on snippets of movie dialogue, unless the snippet is more notable than the movie itself (and I can't think of one offhand). -- BD2412 14:29, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
- Comment: "Judy, Judy, Judy" -supposedly Cary Grant, only known from many impressions of the man. Actually he never said the words in any movie . --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
keep this please do not merge it is popular with 25-thousand google hits and informative and well written too Yuckfoo 18:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge Unless someone creates a disambiguation page for Michael Bolton... OK, just kidding - Merge regardless. Would a redirect make any sense? --Habap 19:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The new days

Non-notable band vanity. Kelly Martin 06:48, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete fails wikipedia guidelines. JamesBurns 07:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Speedy Patent vanity/band ad. --Xcali 14:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete band vanity. --Etacar11 22:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Appears this debate has been hit a few times, but so far nobody has wanted to keep this. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nuero

Band vanity. "Nuero" + any of the band members gets zero google hits, apart from a wikipedia mirror. —Xezbeth 07:00, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete garage band vanity. JamesBurns 07:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete band vanity + possible hoax: funny how they aren't mentioned on the Sub Pop website. No verification that they ever released anything thru Sub Pop. --Etacar11 22:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. No trace of Nuero or the Withersons on allmusic.com. Gamaliel 22:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maritime rangers

Drinking club vanity, God bless 'em, but not encyclopedic by a long shot. Delete. -- BD2412 07:09, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

Delete. Not notable. utcursch | talk 07:13, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete club advertising. JamesBurns 07:17, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Take a shot each time you vote Delete --FCYTravis 08:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Not notable. We are now all dumber for knowing this. Srcrowl 09:01, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete drinking club vanity. DoubleBlue (Talk) 23:14, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 04:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Drink!. I mean Delete. Non-notable vanity. --Death phoenix 14:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tai kin fai

School project, it seems. Nonsense, non-notable, non wiki-formatted, etc. Not encyclopedic by any means. ral 315 07:25, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete, non-notable school teacher. — JIP | Talk 07:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 07:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Userfy as newbie test (does that make sense?). Kappa 08:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Speedy patent vanity --Xcali 14:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Project 621

Looks like it's a Babelfish translation of , which is a German Misplaced Pages mirror. No edits in 4 1/2 months, and unless someone wants to fix things like the horrible sentence structure that comes from its straight translation (not to mention the words like 'knitterempfindlich' that didn't translate), it probably should be deleted. ral 315 07:31, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Keep, I found something to rewrite as an intro. You can use {{cleanup-translation}} for this kind of thing instead of bringing it to Vfd. Kappa 08:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep; I'll have a go at it...Lectonar 09:05, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand. Sounds like a reasonably notable rocketry project. Capitalistroadster 17:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
keep this too please Yuckfoo 18:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Good save User:Kappa and well done User:Lectonar. DoubleBlue (Talk) 23:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand. Notable rocket project. JamesBurns 07:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ian hedger

(This nom originally made Jun 4, was never closed, multiple apparent sock puppet votes. I've taken the liberty of addending all anon votes. --FCYTravis 08:06, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC))

Hi, i am the author of one of the below "keep" comments. i would like to adress the sock puppets accusation... im not sure what exactly sock puppets means, but i guess it's something to do with all the votes being from the one person? you may find with a little research, perhaps contact the institution mentioned on the ian hedger page (st. bede's college, mentone, victoria, australia), that many of these comments come from students. they have heard about the page through word of mouth, and are supporting the TRUE story about their friend/acquantance. You may also find that the two entries from the same IP adress are entries from step brothers, using two computers on the same network. I urge that these facts be considered before this page is dismissed as a hoax or a joke. Before dismissing this, someone please do some research. Brother Paul Kenjamin, F.S.C. - anon comment by User:203.31.184.154 - only four edits to Misplaced Pages are on this VFD and the page.

No relevant google hits, smells like hoax. Denni ☯ 21:33, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)

REMEMBER TO START YOUR THREAD WITH THE WORD 'KEEP' OR 'DELETE'... not 'DON'T DELETE'.

Delete vanity hoax (it would seem). And not funny if it is. --Etacar11 23:22, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete vanity, hoax, not notable...take your pick. Tobycat 01:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete hoax. JamesBurns 04:14, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep I've heard of this story through word of mouth... Hoax or not, it's an urban legend worth keeping. - anon vote by User:211.28.164.142
Keep Oh god no! this is no hoax, i warn... this kid is a lethal fucka, anyone who has seen a red flash in their backyards, a white stain on there ironing boards, a homosexual spirit in their dreams... poor bastards, he'll get you soon enough...User:Darren Doukas 07:35, 6 july 2005 (FBI , CIA , CRIMINAL INTENT) - anon vote by User:220.237.182.178 - both edits to Misplaced Pages are on this VFD.

Keep This is no hoax. I am a Social Work student at Monash University doing a paper on teenage risk factors. My teacher, Dr. Max Liddell actually referred me to the 'Ian Hedger' case study in Australia. I couldn’t seem to find any good resources for the Ian Hedger case on Yahoo or Google, nor my own library, but i stumbled upon this excerpt here. If you are interested more about the Ian hedger case you should try emailing the social work department at Monash. Regards, Marcus Binge - anon vote by User:144.132.3.4 - only edit to Misplaced Pages is on this VFD.

Keep Ian Hedger is an old school urban ledgend. Me and my wife use to scare the kids with halloween stories about the firey headed Ian Hedger. -Nick - anon vote by User:220.237.34.75 - only edit to Misplaced Pages is on this VFD.

Keep I agree with the above statements. (i go to Mckinnion High near where these events have supposedly taken place)I have heard on many occasions of the Ian Hedger urban legend and have discussed it with many of my friends. wheather the events are true or not, this entry has validity in that it is a well know urban legend around the melbourne area. If it is true i pray for the poor soul and hope i never come across him. May it teach us all that bullying gets us no where. Will Drummond - anon vote by User:61.68.143.158 - only edit to Misplaced Pages is on this VFD.

~~Keep~~ The Ian Hedger case is very much a true one, I was once a friend of this tortured soul back in '98. he was a great person when i knew him, full of life, with a smile that could melt an iceberg. it is unfortunate that we have not crossed paths since his departure from our youth group, because he was one of the only people i knew that could make a man with my condition feel normal again. he will be in my heart for eternity. - D.M.Wenckowski - anon vote by User:211.28.164.142, the user's second vote on this page, so struck through.

Keep I can't believe this story is being considered for deletion. I think one will find over the next few years a number of websites and articles being made in devotion to this story. The myths surrounding this case are simply untrue and unjustified. A depressed boy goes missing, and immediately people begin pawning off murders onto him. The chances of the boy still being alive are virtually zero, and it is my belief that he has found a happier place. Ian Hedger must not be forgotten, and I hope anyone who tries to remove this tribute to him, or deface it, suffers a similar fate. - Brother Paul Kenjamin, F.S.C. - anon vote by User:203.31.184.154 - only three edits to Misplaced Pages are on this VFD and the page.

Delete - Sockpuppet limit ~~reached~~ exceeded. --FCYTravis 08:09, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete because what the hell is a "scientician"? -- BD2412 08:12, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

Quote from http://www.olympus.net/personal/ptmaccon/pif/issues/other/dict_enviro_lang.html:

Scientist, n. ... 3. Sometimes referred to as Scientician a. Term describing the political corruption of a scientist. b. Person working in the sciences willing to alter and/or ignore observations and research to conform to the political correct thinking or policy of any particular age.

Delete. Lowercased surname, votes by sockpuppets. This should count as "case closed". — JIP | Talk 08:13, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete - nonsense supported by multiple sockpuppets, potential personal sabotage - Skysmith 09:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
BJAODN, with full military honours. Alphax 10:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Unverifiable. Two unreliable Google hits. If legit as claimed, this would've shown up on missing persons sites. If it's true, those organizations should be the target of this campaign. - Mgm| 11:20, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
DELETE (in capitals as indicated above)Dunc|☺ 11:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong delete. I hate sockpuppets. jglc | t | c 13:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Hoax. --Xcali 14:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Sock-puppets make a more eloquent case for deletion than I ever could. --Scimitar 14:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete as per sock puppets. Ashibaka (tock) 16:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete/BJAODN. The many sockpuppets must mean something. ral 315 17:54, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Hoax, vanity. MysteryDog 20:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete, nonsense. Martg76 22:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, aawesome storiez keep it up - anon vote by User:70.58.91.15 - only edits to Misplaced Pages are on this VFD and the page and vandalism on other pages see Contributions.
Delete, nonsense, and sockpuppets. Sasquatch′ ↔Talk↔Contributions 22:48, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep Wha' a ghreatte guyman he be...--64.229.92.23 01:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) (does this vote really need to be clarified?)
Delete. And sentence the sock puppets to watch a 24 hour The Wiggles marathon. Mr Bound 01:57, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. It's funny, I was just dealing with this same sort of garbage from another anon. Mr. Billion 05:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete – if it's a hoax, they could at least have written it up in a more tantalizing manner. If it's not, they could at least have written it up in a more tantalizing manner. --Mothperson 14:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of massacres committed during the Al-Aqsa Intifada

I know there was a VfD for this one already, but that was more than a year ago, and I think it needs to be reconsidered. This article is some of the most blatant POV I’ve seen yet on Misplaced Pages. Even the American mainstream media, which has a definite pro-Israel bias, does not refer to suicide bombings as massacres. “Massacre” is a very emotive word, and does not fit with the mission of being informative. A list like this should simply be called what it is – a “list of major suicide-bombings against Israel since 2000.” The page was designed to give readers the impressions that Israel has been victim of repeated “massacres,” while killings of Palestinians are left out. The Israel human rights group BtSelem, however, reports that more than three times more Palestinians have been killed by Israelis during this period than Israelis killed by Palestinians . The authors of this page claim that it wasn’t designed just for killings where the victims were Israelis, but the wording was cleverly designed to exclude any actions by the Israeli government, since of course it will always deny that any of their actions intentionally targeted civilians. So therefore none of them will ever appear on this list. So anyway, unless this article is dramatically changed, so as to remove the word “massacre” and either include violence against Palestinians or be clearly labeled as “violence against Israelis,” then it deserves to be deleted as POV propaganda. Blackcats 08:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

- What do you think should be done with Deir Yassin massacre? It also has that very emotive word "massacre" in the title, which "does not fit with the mission of being informative". Should it be moved to a less emotive title, or simply deleted as per this article? Jayjg 15:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - Naming Conventions, Jay, Dictate that it stays, much like Cedar Revolution. "Deir yassin Massacre" 6,630 Google Hits, whereas "Moment cafe massacre" 8 Google hits. "Moment Cafe Bombing" however gets 45 Google Hits.--Irishpunktom\ 16:22, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Blackats' argument wasn't made based on naming conventions, but rather on the claim that the word "massacre" was "emotive" and therefore the article should be deleted. By the way, how would your Google test work for "Passover massacre", which gets 8,060 hits, vs. Misplaced Pages's article Netanya suicide attack, which gets 223 hits, most of them Misplaced Pages mirrors? Jayjg 20:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Of the Google hits for "Passover Massacre," only 3,610 even mention "Netanya" . 10,900 mention "suicide bombing" in conjuction with "Netanya" without even mentioning the word "massacre" . 3390 mention "suicide attack" in conjunction with "Netanya," again without the word "massacre" mentioned . So there's no clear case for calling any incident in Netanya "the Passover Massacre." Blackcats 22:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete - Propaganda. --Irishpunktom\ 10:41, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Keep - it's quite irrelevant that the list doesn't mention Palestinian casualties - nothing prevents creation of a similar list on numbers of Palestinians killed in specific Israeli actions - and putting a "See also" linking to it on the bottom of this page. I agree that "massacre" is a loaded word, but most of these events involved the deaths of 20+ people, so the title is not misleading... no objection to substituting "suicide bombings" for massacres. -- BD2412 14:00, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete I don't think we should encourage the creation of POV forks as BD2412 seems to be advocation. See all of the debates going on about articles realing to the conflict in Cyprus. --Xcali 14:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Well, all lists are POV forks to some extent. Does the List of serial killers by country diminish mass murders (who kill equal numbers but in a shorter time) by not including them, because the authors of that article are concerned with one particular type of multiple killer? Does the List of war crimes diminish the deaths that happen as a result of non-war related genocide, or airplane crashes, or industrial accidents? We could have one giant "List of all events in which more than 10 people died at one time", but that would be mush, so we divide things up into neat categories that are bounded by identifiable markers. That's why lists of which people in country X (or conflict X) were killed by circumstance Y are legitimate. -- BD2412 17:05, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Substitute "Suicide bombings" for "massacres", to help avoid POV forking. --Scimitar 14:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. You don't delete an article because you don't like the title, and the article can certainly included actions deliberately targetting Palestinian civilians, or as Scimitar suggests, the title can be changed to "Suicide bombings etc.". Jayjg 15:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Per reasons stated above. MathKnight 15:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete unless moved or the article is changed. "Deliberately targetting civilians" is not a qualifier any normal person would apply to the word massacre. Christopher Parham (talk) 16:06, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Keep Feel free to have an edit war moving the name around, but don't delete this useful information. Ashibaka (tock) 16:13, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep but rename... I agree with the suicide bomber issue... massacre seems to be an over-statement in this case and should be against Israel as Israel has fought back... Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 23:39, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete POV fork. JamesBurns 23:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete You are all assholes. --GoFuckYourselves 03:04, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep this organized and true record of how Israelis (both Jews and innocent Arabs) were killed in cold blood during this time period. IZAK 03:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Highly POVYuber 03:43, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
keep Almog 04:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep I mean, massacre is emotive, but it's accurate; it's the event that's emotive, not the word. Suicide bombing could mean somebody who blows only his own self up in protest, much as the Buddhist self-immolations during the Vietnam war, and that's not what these events are. Perhaps "mass murders" might be preferable? "Killings of civilians"? "bombings of noncombatants"? Gzuckier 04:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, as per Gzuckier. Ambi 05:02, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete, this is not an encyclopedia article. Rick K 05:14, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, unbalanced. JFW | T@lk 06:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep - although I would prefer to change the title. Both "massacre" and "Al-Aqsa Intifada" are loaded terms. If precedence is any kind of principle here at WP, deleting this would require us deleting a bunch of other lists. --Leifern 10:05, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Rename If this is a list of suicide bomb attacks then that is what it should say. Massacre is a loaded term, even if more than 10 people die and we should be careful of using it anywhere especially as here without any discussion of the facts of the incidents.old joe 11:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Well, they could be investigated to see if they fit the description. I would assume that something which without warning deliberately kills, say, ten unarmed civilians going about their daily business would generally be described as a massacre, any effort to pretty it up would be adding a POV; sometimes things speak for themselves. Compare to the constant campaign to delete quotes from Ann Coulter from her wikipage because they make her look bad and thus are POV. We could put a comment in for each whether it was suicide bomb or more personal methodology if we're dubious about calling a suicide bombing a massacre. I don't know if ten is the accepted threshold for a massacre or not. Gzuckier 16:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
keep--Neria 16:43, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Having myself created List of Algerian massacres of the 1990s, I certainly won't suggest that this page should be deleted simply for referring to events as massacres. The term "massacre" is an appropriate description for killings of large numbers of civilians at once, and I would consider it an accurate description of at least some of the events linked. However, 10 is probably too low a threshold (I used 50 myself), and Blackcats is certainly right to highlight the weasel wording that allows massacres by Israel to be kept out of the list. Keep and cleanup. - Mustafaa 17:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, unless we decide that "massacare" is an inherently POV term, in which case other articles should be deleted or renamed as well (such as List of massacres committed during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war) The wording was not "cleverly designed" by the authours of this page (that would be me. Thanks for the compliment, BTW). Rather, it was lifted directly (including the number "10") from Talk:List of massacres committed during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, where it was presented by User:BL (which is the author of that article, I believe). -- uriber 17:19, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, at best, the call for VfD is a reason to rename the article, not to eliminate it. (I don't have a problem renaming it) Saswann 13:52, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, but clean up, monitor closely for POV, use Mustafaa's "massacre" threshhold, and if the title is believed to be "POV", the proper way to deal with that is by discussing a MOVE on the article's TALK page, not by nominating the article for VfD. Tomer 00:42, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
Keep - this article is useful, but just as Mustafaa mentioned, it needs some cleaning up.--Gramaic 08:08, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and use consistent definition of "massacre" throughout WP. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 10:04, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Ridiculous to suggest that it's a massacre when Jews kill Arabs, but not vice versa. If "Massacre" is POV it's POV across the board- including the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, etc.--Briangotts 15:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gurjara

Delete Not notable...Googled with Star Wars, no results match with character...appears to be made-up. Srcrowl 08:06, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Speedy delete as nonsense/hoax. -- BD2412 08:08, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Speedy deleted under criterion #1: no content. Geogre 12:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of English words of Aramean origin

Nonsense created by a vandal. ral 315 08:36, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Note that the article has some semblance of a real page now; however things like Abra ka dabra still make me think this deserves deletion. Not to mention that user has deleted VFD notice. ral 315 08:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Speedy delete patent nonsense. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete I know for a fact that the abracadabra part isn't true, which makes me suspect the rest is a hoax too. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:41, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: Actually, I'm pretty sure abracadabra is from an originally Aramaic magic formula. - Mustafaa 20:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - I found a reference here Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:53, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
  - And a second --Tabor 00:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Silliness. -- BD2412 14:15, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
Delete. I believe that Mammon is actually of Aramaic origin. --Scimitar 14:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Neutral. Mammon and (I think) Abracadabra are correct; sapphire and papa are folk etymologies. - Mustafaa 20:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete patent nonsense. JamesBurns 23:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete I see little value in this article. If anything, should be renamed ...Aramaic origin. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 23:59, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. List of English words of Aramaic origin could be created, but it would take very careful work to distinguish from List of English words of Hebrew origin. (A care I am pessimistic about seeing in the current climate at Misplaced Pages). --Tabor 00:28, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Eirik Lundestad

Keep This debate is old and not relevant

Delete Not notable...no Google relevant links for Eirik or Nordsia Massacre, looks like something that should go in Eirik's resume and not the Misplaced Pages. Srcrowl 09:34, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Delete: A 23 year old doctor. Vanity/CV. Geogre 12:55, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Fails to pass WP:BIO guidelines. Also, the Nordsia Massacre looks like a hoax. Sarg 14:30, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep Mugu keep offff. Stupid homos dont kno tru playas.--64.229.92.23 01:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Note that this anon account has voted seemingly nonsensical keep votes at a variety of VFDs, as seen at Special:Contributions/64.229.92.23. Sarg 12:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep I am from Norway, and I know of the Nordsia Massacre, where two people died. Eirik Lundestad is somewhat of a local hero up here.
Delete - nonentity linked to non-existent event - Skysmith 10:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Well I'm Eirik Lundestad and I can tell you that this is a practical joke arranged my some of my friends. So this should be deleted :)

The event for which he received the cross took place some years ago. It is well described in the local newspaper www.an.no if you search for "nordsia" in the papers search engine.

System_88

This is some sort of 4chan joke spawned from IRC a few days ago 24.213.79.123 09:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ha ha delete. Geogre 12:56, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Not funny enough for Bad Jokes. Sarg 14:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete Oh, 4chan. Ashibaka (tock) 16:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep because System 88 is the future okay
Delete Patent nonsense --TouchGnome 14:10, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)

Delete silliness. tehlec 11:05, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

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