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Photos or maps ohio

Do you know of any good PD sources for photos or maps in Ohio? Warren County Canal is in need (up for FAC). thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:01, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. This is a copy: Dear User:PedanticallySpeaking: Please look at my talk page (most recent item for User:SPUI). I had asked him to see what we could do about a map (or images) for the article. He has done some outstanding map creation work for other transportation article and also found image sources when I couldn't. However, if you can give him good information, maybe even a handdrawn map if possible, he may be able to create something nice for the article. I encourage you to communicate directly with User: SPUI I am having some computer broadband problems, so can't be on as much as usual. I will copy this message to both of you. And, my thanks to both of you for the good work on transportation articles, which are dear to my heart. <gr> Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:23, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Salve, SPUI!
Vaoverland suggested I get in touch with you re the Warren County Canal article about possibly creating a map. The route of the canal is spelled out in the article. Basically, it started at Middletown, Ohio, went southeast for about fifteen miles to about four miles southwest of Lebanon, Ohio, then turned northeast to Lebanon. It roughly ran along the route of the Middletown and Cincinnati Railroad to Hageman's Crossing, Ohio, then followed the Cincinnati, Lebanon, and Northern Railroad into Lebanon. The only map I've seen in Elva Adams's book (cited in the canal article) depicts a lazily drawn "U" shape. I did see a map in another book yesterday that says it ran through Sect. 28 in western Turtlecreek Township, Warren County, Ohio, which is bounded by State Route 741 on the east and Hamilton Road on the south. The co-ordinates for the termini are in their articles already. The railroads routes can be seen by looking at the Warren County property records . The Indiana and Ohio Railroad and the City of Lebanon now own the railroad routes. If you will search for parcel 12145020010, owned by the City and running between Hageman's and Lebanon you will find a map come up. Click on that map for a larger version. The railroad is easily picked out from the parcel map because it is a long and narrow parcel. Let me know if I can help further. PedanticallySpeaking 14:36, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

SPUI,
Thanks for your reply. Up there between Monroe and Middletown I recall one of the references, I believe the Bogan "Warren County Canal" piece, said the canal went north along Cincinnati-Dayton between Greentree and State Route 122. Of course, at this scale, I don't think anyone would be able to tell the difference if you weren't precise. PedanticallySpeaking 17:50, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

SPUI,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the map of the canal. Wonderful that you should find this.
Could I trouble you for more maps? I've been working on the articles for townships (see my new Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ohio townships), but lack maps for many of them. I wonder if you could zoom in on the counties of Butler, Warren, Clinton, and Hamilton and save them as individual files for me. They show the townships clearly and I'd like to add them to the township articles.
And though I said it before, thank you. PedanticallySpeaking 14:16, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

SPUI, I should have looked a bit closer on that map. I see that two of the Warren townships are missing; they hadn't been created yet (Massie and Harlan). Oh, well, scratch my request. PedanticallySpeaking 14:19, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

SPUI,
Thanks for the tip. Alas, I work at the public library, so I don't have the ability to down- and up-load or manipulate pictures. PedanticallySpeaking 16:11, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

List of urban heavy rail systems

What is the motivation for moving List of metro systems? Susvolans (pigs can fly) 12:34, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Two things

• Make the archive titles more sensible.
• Make your userpage less stupid. Self explanatory really.

NB: If you delete this comment without replying I'll just keep replacing it. Reply here.--83.138.189.76 16:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Two things

• Make the archive titles more sensible.
• Make your userpage less stupid. Self explanatory really.

NB: If you delete this comment without replying I'll just keep replacing it. Reply here.--27.41.196.12 17:01, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Two things

• Make the archive titles more sensible.
• Make your userpage less stupid. Self explanatory really.

NB: If you delete this comment without replying I'll just keep replacing it. Reply here.--123.56.190.1 17:05, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Two things

• Make the archive titles more sensible.
• Make your userpage less stupid. Self explanatory really.

NB: If you delete this comment without replying I'll just keep replacing it. Reply here.--162.156.1.89 17:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Uberarticles

Misplaced Pages policy is to have subjects covering discrete topics by their common names. Commonality does not justify mixing broad topics with observable physical and history differences into super-articles; and titles are supposed to be the common names of things: Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (common names). There is no such industry generic nomenclature as "heavy urban rail" which also more suggests commuter railroads. The generic term is rapid transit. If you wish to continue to make super-articles, I won't interfere, but please leave the individual articles alone. How can you justify making micro-articles for subway cars, but merge huge and diverse industries into one article? -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A redirect is not an article; "urban heavy rail" is a non-expression; and overlap does not justify merger where there are discrete differences in understanding. Regional differences, when they are large, need to be respected rather than deciding that one or the other version or a neologism is the "right" name for the article. --- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:25, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Rapid transit is better than Urban heavy rail, but my main argument is with the mergings. Light rail is a neologism that has a different meaning than streetcar both in existing systems and in history. There are streetcars (New Orleans, Toronto) that are streetcars first, and light rail only by extension. There are lines officially called light rail (JFK AirTrain) that are in no way streetcars.

I suggest we revert to the former names and place a poll on each article in the form:

Article merger

Should (tram or streetcar) by merged into a common article with light rail?

Yes

No

Comment

I will be bowled over if there is a consensus to merge. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

1-9, F-V, J-Z

You said: By the way, note how I combined some subway services like the 1-9, F-V and J-Z. This is a similar case.

Therein is the core of our disagreement. Except for F-V (which should really be separate), these are simple clones with skip-stop being the only difference. Streetcars, trams and light rail have different discrete meanings. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:48, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

3RR

I apologize on the 3RR issue. I miscounted what was going on. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 22:53, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Wikicheerfulness seems to be restablishing. Please note, I didn't mess with any of your edits on the "new" articles--just reverted the redirects. I think this can work out. Cheers, Cecropia | explains it all ® 23:02, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tram

OK but could you please leave the tram/streetcar articles as they were until we come to some sort of agreement on what to do. G-Man 23:25, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Warren County Canal

Thansk for your effort on this article. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 01:14, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Trams, Streetcars, Light Rail, Metros, Subways et al

Hi.

You wrote:

I see you formerly discussed this split on Talk:Streetcar. There's a current discussion going on there now; I'd appreciate more opinions, no matter what side. Thanks. --SPUI (talk) 20:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again - there's also a poll now on Talk:Metro about whether metro and subway should be merged. --SPUI (talk) 21:04, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I've now voted (merge) in the metro/subway vote, and I'm pondering the other one.

I think there are two issues here. There are cases where we have two different article for what is to all intents and purposes the same animal, largely driven by the use of different names in different cultures. Metro and Subway is one such case, and (as you have noticed) I also believe Streetcar and Tram is another.

But those are easy issues compared to the ones where we have to draw boundaries between related and often overlapping terms on a continuous spectrum. So I don't think that streetcar/tram is quite the same thing as light rail, which isn't quite the same thing as metro/subway, which isn't quite the same thing as suburban rail, which isn't quite the same thing as commuter rail. But equally I cannot come up with a fail-safe way of distinguishing them. I think the only way to deal with this is to take arbitrary decisions, and then write lots of text to explain the arbitrariness. Although I worry that we try doing that on Misplaced Pages then someone will take a dislike to the arbitrary decisions, and change it all, again and again.

So on the whole, and right now, I do think we should merge Tram and Streetcar, but leave Light rail as a separate article. Now how to inject that into the discussion. -- Chris j wood 10:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Powel Crosley Jr.

I have been working on Powel Crosley Jr., a fascinating subject with a heavy transportation angle. I am coming up dry on PD images from LOC and Florida sources. One LOC image which has him looking to the main subject, another man, that is all. Can you help me with anything for this article? Thanks for your good work on Warren County Canal. Mark in Richmond

Thanks. I forgot about the 1923 criteria. Vaoverland 21:39, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

SPAM

OMFGLOL!!!111 YOUR USER PAGE IS TEH SUX0r!!!!!!!1

Category:Streets in Manhattan

Do you mean if 19th and 20th Streets are eventually added? I think it's more intuitive for people to look under "2" for "Second Avenue" than under "0", for "Seventh Avenue" under "7" rather than "0" and so forth. Can we continue this discussion (if you'd like to continue it) on the talk page of that Category page? I've always found the disjointed conversations on user talk page (going back and forth from yours to theirs) to be sort of difficult, and I'd like to get other people's input. I'm not heavily invested in either idea, but I just think it's more intuitive this way. Once (if) dozens of more Manhattan streets are added (i.e., when there really is an article for 19th Street, 20th Street, each street in the 70s and so on), then I'd say your way makes more sense. Moncrief 23:25, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Surface rail

Fine by me, except that it's ambiguous. I would have used 'surface rail' instead of 'at-grade urban transit', but 'surface rail' could reasonably mean _all_ non-subway, non-elevated rail, rather than just trams, trolleys, light rail, and the like. How about 'Urban surface rail?' It has 3 google hits, but we can always replace it with a better term when we come up with one. jdb ❋ (talk) 23:29, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

SPAM

- You asked for it, you got it. Have this can on me. -- Solipsist 07:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikistress

Dude, I just noticed your Wikistress meter. That's hilarious! By the way, some of us do like your user page, despite what your anonymous friend who seems to be obsessed with you. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:53, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The "SUX0r" spam was from me, as requested by SPUI in IRC. :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:46, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that—quite amusing! I was referring to Mr. "Two Things" above who appears to be obsessed with SPUI. — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:55, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

BZFlag

Thank you for your note, as well as changing them to LGPL license. Also, I enjoyed seeing my diagram on your user page. It gave me a good laugh :) --Lan56 16:26, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Closure templates

I've added the closure templates for you at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Washington State Route 900. Yes, it was late, but the people who close VfD debates are often too busy. By closing obvious keeps like that one, you can really help them. --cesarb 17:01, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is there a reason the closure template is necessary? I actually looked for one that had been closed properly, but couldn't find any; shouldn't the note at the top that they have been closed be enough? --SPUI (talk) 17:04, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It serves to scare newbies who would otherwise vote on the debate even after it was already closed (they can get to the page if they try to nominate the article again, or from the link on the talk page). Besides, it also helps looking for unclosed debates on the log pages, since it makes them stand out from the flow.

Which templates to use is explained in some obscure location in the VfD maze; it's {{subst:vfd top}} REASON ~~~~ followed by a blank line at the top, and {{subst:vfd bottom}} preceded by a blank line at the bottom.

--cesarb 17:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK, I've fixed up Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Iraq occupation mistakes (the one I originally meant to do, then went to SR 900 as one that should have been closed to get the info off of). --SPUI (talk) 17:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

By the way, the obscure location I mentioned above is Misplaced Pages:Deletion process. --cesarb 17:20, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Madonna of the Trail

Any ideas for PD images for the new article Madonna of the Trail? Circa 1928-29, with sites in 12 states. Thanks, Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 01:13, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

The new city renaming convention

What division point do you suggest for the population? Feel free to change it. Dralwik 01:31, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I changed some things. Dralwik 02:01, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Falling Up (band)

I have redeleted this and relisted it on VfU. It is completely inappropriate to undelete an article and remove it from VfU after only one day on VfU. RickK 04:33, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion log of Waking the Tiger

I can't sem to locate the entry of the deletion. Do you know the link? Thanks . I am composing my rfc.--Jondel 06:04, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Found it. Pls feel free to delete this section.--Jondel 06:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of Interstate that started out with multiple discontiguous segments

I just wanted to make sure that article didn't get deleted on the basis of the awkward name alone. Thanks for stepping in with your well-informed opinion. You convinced me to change my vote. I didn't know there was such a thing as a roadgeek. What does a roadgeek do? - Pioneer-12 19:44, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I collect old maps! But I think that makes me a mapgeek, not a roadgeek. - Pioneer-12 20:25, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"fixing link, hope this isn't a bad thing to do"

No, of course not. Thanks. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:55, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfC on RickK

Hi, thanks for your note, and sorry for not being around before the RfC against RickK was filed. Regarding Waking the Tiger, I have put that one behind me and since the article has been undeleted, I regard that dispute as "solved". Since that was the only issue on the RfC where I have been involved, and I consider that issue resolved, I cannot certify the summary. Incidentally I think that RickK was within his rights to argue against undeletion, even though he was totally wrong on that issue in my opinion.

As for endorsing the summary... I have concerns about a rather meager attempt to resolve the issue with a discussion on RickK's talkpage. Also, there seems to be two articles concerned, and I feel that filing RfCs over this is a somewhat drastic approach. Therefore I have not endorsed the summary either. Instead, I decided to endorse Outside view #2 (the "back off" view).

RickK is probably the one user on Misplaced Pages I have disagreed most with. However, filing RfCs should be reserved for serious cases of disruption or incivility, and this one does not seem to be one of them. I feel RfCs against users are used too often, in fact, the only time I have really been upset with one of RickK's actions was when he endorsed an RfC against Kappa, an RfC which had absolutely no basis.

But thanks for dropping me a note and letting me know!

Sjakkalle 06:58, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have stricken my endorsement of Outside view #2 in favor of Firebug's Outside view #4 Sjakkalle 09:32, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfC on RickK2

Beleive it or not this is my first RFC. I have a lot of reactions to Rickk's comments. Will I jam up your RFC by reacting/placing my responce? --Jondel 00:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello. I noticed on Fonzie Fan's talk page that you thought he could do what he wanted in the Sandbox, just like every user. I wish to show you the edit history to see the type of things. I mentioned earlier that it has not been as bad as before, but I just think it is a mere annoyance. Thanks for looking and willingness to talk about this issue. Zscout370 02:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Template:Money-EU

Okay, I do not go around picking fights. If you are hung up on this, just let me know -- rv me if you like. But if you check out TfD, you see you're just handing the deletionists ammunition when you make the template less general. — Xiong熊talk 04:50, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC)

Friends of my friends ...... are my friends!

Hey SPUI and Xiong , I'm on both your sides. Please be friends or I'll start some kind of dispute against both of you.--Jondel 05:08, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

My removal of the inappropriate placement of other people's comments was not vandalism, and your calling it that does not make it true. Are you intentionally trying to make this a war? RickK 06:47, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

I'm just trying to make sure that proper process is followed. If you had all just waited for the end of the VfU process, none of this would have been necessary. And I'm not the one calling anybody names. Troll, vandal? RickK 06:50, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

It will all end once the VfU process has been completed, and then, if there are a majority of votes to undelete, the 5 days of the VfD process. RickK 06:52, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

RFCs- please cool down a little

Please, try to cool down a bit on the RfC. Using terms like "trolls" and "bullshit" is turning the RfC into a line of personal attacks. Try to keep disagreements civil. Sjakkalle 07:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Recreation of an Vfd'ed article

I 'd like to post this at the Village pump.:

Is the recreation of a Vote for deletion article, a violation of any polices? Does the Vfd itself extend to the idea of the article?--Jondel 07:52, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Was that really necessary?

Look, all I did was disagree with you. All RickK did was disagree with you. You're going to have to learn to handle that. I think you should remove that silly edit of yours - you're otherwise a valuable contributor to wikipedia, and it's a shame to see someone who has lots to contribute self-destruct because of a silly argument. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 10:44, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: I AM WEARING SEVERAL HUNDRED PAIRS OF PANTS.

Are you:

1. A travelling pants salesman?
2. In antarctica?
3. Trying too hard in your shoplifting efforts?
4. Going for that "big butt" look?
5. Performing a Johnny Knoxville-style stunt involving projectives being targeted at your nether regions?
6. Demonstrating a new, space age, ultra-thin fabric?
7. Actually several hundred superheroes in disguise?

- Pioneer-12 11:49, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

View 5

I'm signing under view 5. Let 's move along , not dwell on the RFC too much. Hope you follow.--Jondel 01:47, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Waking The Tiger wouldn't have made it without you

SPUI, I'm very grateful for your work .I'm personally attached to the book. Please go on with what you do but move on. Please don't create a win loose situation. Don't dwell too much on bad situations. They have to pass and clear up in time.--Jondel 02:54, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Advocate Request

SPUI, I received your request for an advocate. Before I saw it I had heard about the RickK RFC and although I endorsed one of the alternative opinions I would still be happy to work with you. I've had a few of these kind of issues where folks feel singled out by an admin and I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding and would like to help out if I can. --Wgfinley 03:03, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I-180 in California??

Hi --

I note that you added California to the list of states that once had an Interstate 180??? Am I missing something, as I'm not aware with this one... According to kurumi.com and cahighways.org, I-180 was a proposed number, but since there was already a highway 180 in California (near Fresno), it was never actually used. I know from personal experience (I used to live near there) that it went straight from CA-17 to being called I-580. --Rickscholz 05:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I interpreted the Kurumi description as meaning that it was officially I-180. It doesn't seem all that clear to me on either site - do you know anything definite on whether AASHTO called it I-180 pre-1983? --SPUI (talk) 05:44, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm trusting the cahighways site more, which says "Around 1985, the number I-180 was briefly proposed for the Richmond-San Rafael stretch of what is now I-580 and was formerly part of CA 17."

If AASHTO did actually call it that, it's news to me, and to all of the road geek web sites I visit. If anything, it was unsigned, but I don't think this is even the case. I don't think AASHTO would call it one number and the state would call it a different number... that would be way too confusing.

According to cahighways, that stretch of highway was transferred from CA-17 to I-580 in 1984.--Rickscholz 06:01, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: my vote(s) on RickK's RfC

Well, frankly, you seemed to be turning a question of policy into a personal referendum on RickK and I wasn't totally comfortable with that. I still maintain that the policy is on our side, and not RickK's, but I don't believe he was operating in bad faith. Given that, I feel that the most prudent course of action is clarification of policy and (perhaps) a change in said policy if called for. I hope you'll join me in trying to get consensus on the clarification. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:25, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Userspace policy proposal

Why did you remove my vote here? Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 21:38, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Park St and others

Taking a modern view of the same angle (and a bunch of other spots) is something I want to fit in this summer. I hope they've calmed down a bit with the photo paranoia by now. --iMb~Meow 05:10, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pandeism vfd

Please consider changing your vote on Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Pandeism to a "redirect" to pantheism. I believe I have adduced sufficient referential evidence to show that this article was not "original research," but simply an uncommon use of a term that is most commonly used as a reference to a word of similar construction. It's very easy for those not acquainted with religous details to confuse "theism" with "deism", after all, so this would be a useful redirect. I apologize for having overestimated the importance of the use of this term with which I had been made familiar. It was, after all, one of my first posts, when I was new to Misplaced Pages and not yet familiar with the criteria for notability. -- 8^D BDAbramson 06:16, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

• Forget the above. I have found conclusive evidence of the use of the term "Pandeism" dating back to 1833 , being used by Godfrey Higgins, a follower of John Toland, the creator of pantheism.. The term is used in a book written by Higgins called the Anacalypsis. -- 8^D BDAbramson 10:27, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

CA State Route Infobox v2

Since i usually show you stuff for your approval first, I just wanted to know your opinion of my version of the CA highway project's infobox before i really start using it:

How is that?

User:Atanamir

CASR Infobox v2a

I like it! The legend is nice. Is there any way to write a if/elseif statement in wikimarkup? I'm trying to see if i can have the template handle the next/prev automatically with something like

if(route == 1 ) next = 2;

.

For the postmile, it really doens't matter to me. Do you think it'll easier to include the distance between junctions? or is that harder to do?

--atanamir 10:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CASH infobox again

I've also some more changes to the infobox:

User:SPUI/onthecaca

Do you think termini is important?

I forgot to make the CASH shields transparent when i uploaded them last night. So there's the ugly white box around it, so i toned down the green on the navigation.

cr

Cricket

Hi. You commented on the move of the cricket portal to cricket. Having moved the whole affair back, I have made my own proposal. Could you come and comment, so that we can get consensus for the best version. Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

West End Line

SPUI, do you have any other source for "Brooklyn, Bath and Coney Island RailWAY" than Earl Pleasant's site. I have seen no other source that ever had the BB&CI as Railway, rather than railroad or rail road.

He is also wrong in saying the Brighton Line was the BF&CI RAILROAD. That is a common error. The BF&CI was RAILWAY. There was an earlier BF&CI RAILROAD, but it was a compoletely different company. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 22:00, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

BERy map

It looks like the tracks match up great to the BERy versions, yay! Nice-to-have but not killer additions would be the demo date for the Atlantic section (1942, but a portion from Tower C out to Commercial St was kept around for layovers), and maybe some of the switch towers (for example, Boston transportation mentions towers C and D for the Atlantic Ave branch). --iMb~Meow 11:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Flagrant violation of policy.

Do not remove VfD notices from pages, and do not summarily and unilaterally shut down VfDs or remove them from the VfD page. Consider this your first and only warning. If you continue to do what you have been doing, an Arbitration request will be filed aganist you. Neutrality 15:17, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

Union stations

Those names are confusing, for sure. It works out roughly like this:

• 1893, Union Station opens, just the one. Life is simple.
• 1898/1899: South Union Terminal is built and opens. The old Union station starts being called North for obvious reasons.
• 1927: The old (North) Union is hacked into tiny bits and replaced by North Station (officially this time) under the new Boston Garden.
• Informally, the North/South Station names were used "forever".
• As best I can tell, South Station wasn't the super duper officially official name until the 1980s redevelopment, even though it was pretty much universally known as that.
• Just to make things a little more clear, one of the Main Line platforms at what's now Haymarket was also named Union (but Friend on the other side, just to keep people guessing).

--iMb~Meow 12:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Notice of Arbitration

I have requested arbitration aganist you; see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#SPUI. Neutrality 16:38, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the article!

Left-side_driving_part_of_a_planned_Findlay%2C_Ohio_interchange_reconfiguration looks interesting! but I'll need to read up just to understand it... <grin> - Amgine/

Interstate infobox?

Template:Routeboxinterstate Do you think this is overkill? It was inspired by the infobox for the California state routes... --atanamir 01:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

• a couple notes:
  • the 'junctions' would only be for other primary interstates.
  • major cities would be cities with population 100,000+ (except for state capitals).
  • distances would only be two-letter state abbreviations

this should help the boxes from being too long and bulky. --atanamir 01:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, i thought it looked good in concept and in theory, but when i acutally placed it onto the i-5 article nad looked ait it felt like overkill; seeing as how at lof othe inforamtion was already contained on the page. I guess I'm just a sucker for infoboxes =P. How can i delete the template? Template:routeboxinterstate. I've never figured out how to delete something on this thing beofre. --atanamir 04:01, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

test --SPUI (talk) 02:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Original Belt Parkway Exit Numbers

Where did you find the original Belt Parkway exit numbers that you used on the Gowanus Expressway page? BOARshevik 03:53, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

US-road-stub

Hi SPUI - It's seems like a good idea to have a separate US road stub category, but I wish you'd let us know over at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting! We're having enough difficulty keeping track of the stubs we know about, without suddenly discovering new ones! Stub categories should normally be cleared via a one-week debating process at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria before creation. In the case of this stub, it looks good - over a hundred stubs, and fits in well with the WSS hierarchy, but if you're planning to make any more, please let us know beforehand. Oh, and if you're interested in helping sort stubs, we're always looking for new members of the project :) Grutness| 01:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I dodn't know about UK-road-stub, but it makes sense you having done that one as well. Grutness| 05:47, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Impostor blocking

Ah - okay. There's been evidence that our recent impostor friend has been creating a number of impostor identities at once and saving them, so was trying to be preemptive. I'll unblock your (clone? doppelganger? What do we call this kind of account?). – ClockworkSoul 14:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Voting problems

Hi SPUI, I noticed that noone had answered your question at the village pump about voting, so I took a stab at it based on my troubles. Just noting it here in case you had given up on it. — Asbestos | Talk 21:42, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

My user-page

Now, ofourse, comes the eternal question. Should I revert your change to my user-page? If i do what would I change it to? If I don't, should your edit really count as vandalism? And if your edit wasn't vandalism, don't I need to change it? Ahh, it's mindboggling!!!!! Gkhan 21:29, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

naming policy

I'm sure you know of the fiasco with the state route namings for the CA/SRs that Nohat has roused. Is there any policy besides the 'common names' one that nohat keeps touting? He makes it sound as if we're against wiki policy or something... --atanamir 20:16, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Super-2 highway

Do you know anything about Super 2 highways? The article itself mentions a Super-4 which immediately got redirected along with undivided expressway. There are some undivided expressways in this world that have 4 lanes. I also think you should mention some more undivided Interstate highways in the List of gaps in Interstate Highways article. --SuperDude 03:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

CA/SR17

The argument has moved onto the wikiproject talk for 17; I'm just kinda happy that a compromised has been reached. But I do fully support the official name for the article. -_-. --atanamir 21:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Cheating in Counter-Strike

The german translation de:Cheaten in Counter-Strike ist on the list of the candidates for deletion ({VfD}) here - do you think, the en:-article is a {VfD}-case too? AN 13:28, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

List of California State Routes

I'm getting rather worried as to the length of this article -- it's 76 KB, and it's getting to be a nightmare to edit (saving takes forever... lots of failed saves... etc.) Do you have any idea as to an alternative representation of the list without having to split it into sepearate articles?

Also, do you think we should add the infoboxes onto the interstates in calfiornia too (teh 3di ones i guess) as they are also technically state routes? There's a discussion going on about this in teh wikiporjects page for ca/srs. --atanamir 12:35, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

chess/weiqi

Can you stop adding your wall of pieces joke into the chess and weiqi pages? It was amusing the first time, but now its getting less so. -- Natalinasmpf 18:32, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

the proposal

You are kidding, right? I restored the original page. If Gene Nygaard wants to make his own proposal, he should create a new page, not duplicate my page. My page was first, it stays. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:48, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Look, if I did things the wrong way, I am sorry. And if you can fix it, by all means do so. But I just insist on one thing: Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate was the proposal I made yesterday, after having spent a whole day working on it. Gene Nygaard created Misplaced Pages:A proposal re BCE-CE Debate and redirected my proposal to that page so he could change the proposal and confuse people. In effect, he deleted my proposal and that was wrong. All I wanted to do was restore what he had deleted. I compared the two carefully and copied any thing different from the second to the first. But please do not tell me I should have done it the other way around. For one thing, it would have taken much more time. In fact, the first thing I tried was to take the new proposal and delete all the duplicated and out-of-order passages that apparently were created by a bug. I spent an hour doing it, and while the edit history reflected my work, the proposal page remained unchainged, that is, in a mess. But most important, he also changed my proposal in order to weaken it. He disagrees with my proposal but it is not enough for him to express himself in the discussion section and vote no, he had to vandalize the proposal itself so that it did not say waht I was actually proposing. It would be a travesty to keep that second, damaged version, and simply to accept his deletion (in effect) of the proposal I crafted yesterday. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:09, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Is there a way to restore the history of my article? Slrubenstein | Talk 20:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Andromeda gendler sm.jpg

Hi SPUI, according to User:Ed g2s on commons you need to list this image on Commons:Deletion_requests. (you had perviously tagged it as a copyright violation). --Duk 17:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

ancient streetcar map: nope.

I thought I had something that ancient, but it's from 1930 and adds nothing new. Sorry. --iMb~Meow 17:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

It's going to be a few weeks at best :( I do like the idea of scanning though, the artwork on those old maps was cool. --iMb~Meow

Limerick (poetry)

You reviewed my change to the Limerick article last night, so I thought you'd be interested in knowing that User:Aliter has reverted my change without comment. I've gone ahead and put it back, invited him to discuss it with me on the talk page, and opened a section there. You might want to participate. --Gmaxwell 18:32, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Old temporary image, still needed?

I've been going through the "fair use screenshots" category further sorting some of the contents, and noticed Image:Fucked edit links.png there described as a temporary image and apparently no longer in use. I figured I should ask before I deleted it, though, since image deletes can't be undone. Bryan 19:02, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

207.69.12.203

I figure that I'll just ask first. Why did you put Image:Ducks in a pram.jpg at User talk:207.69.12.203? I'm seriously just curious. --Ricky81682 (talk) 22:51, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Oh ok, because that was totally random. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:58, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Pic of the day

Hi SPUI,

Just to let you know that your illustration Image:Chicago top down view.png is coming up for Pic of the Day on the 26th May. You can change or correct the caption at Misplaced Pages:Picture of the day/May 26, 2005. -- Solipsist 20:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think? ^_^;--Tznkai 05:07, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Number 9

No, I haven't suddenly becomes a Beatles fan. The 9 is now officially toast, the last of the skip-stop running Friday night. I don't know how/if you want to deal with it. Cheers, Cecropia | explains it all ® 03:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

UrbanPlanet link

What is your objection to the UrbanPlanet forum link I added to the MBTA article? --DeanoNightRider 08:21, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Road v. street

Hi there. :) I noticed that you redirected the street-stub message to the road-stub one. Now, admittedly this could be just me, but I always thought that calling a street a "road" is about as appropriate as calling someone's backyard "Central Park." A road's primary use is transportation from A to B; a street, by contrast, has many uses, and of these vehicular transportation is merely incidental. A street, as Jane Jacobs would say, provides a stage for the "drama of civilization." Not so for a road. Such are the connotations of these terms.

Probably this word choice issue doesn't deserve the attention I've paid to it, but it just seems vaguely insulting to call a street a "road." No one, not even a motorist, would dream of calling Rivington Street a "road." Something about that smells strange, maybe even a little, er, suburban, if you get my drift... :)

Anyway, would you object if I changed it back?

Cheers.

Typogfk 14:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. (You wrote: "The main issue is that we don't want an explosion of stub categories, so only ones that will have a lot of articles are created.")

Well, OK... but a street still isn't a road, and I daresay there should probably be more articles about streets than articles about roads. Says on WP:WSS that "stub categories attract experts in specific areas," but people with an interest in streets--urban theorists and sociologists, for example--won't bother digging through a billion "road" articles to find room for improvement. A "street" stub would be helpful, however. So should I just go ahead and relabel those stubs?

BTW, is this really the best way to communicate on this site? It seems perverse.

Typogfk 21:44, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

(You wrote: "Please read through the links on WP:WSS. And a street is a road, by definition.")

I'm surprised you think a "road" and a "street" are equivalent, since to judge from your user page you seem interested in urban affairs. As it says on WP:WSS, the purpose of these stubs are to attract people with an interest in the relevant topic; "road" stubs just aren't going to attract people with an interest in streets. It seems to me that the situation calls for a "street" category... right?

At the very least, we ought to stop mislabeling urban streets as roads.

Typogfk 21:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'll bring it up there

Thanks. And I guess there really is no better way to communicate here, is there? This editing-pages-as-messaging has got to be the worst messaging system ever devised by man. Scattering conversations across pages and everything. Oh, well. :p

Typogfk 22:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Silver Line

Would you mind if I changed all the Silver Line stops so they have the same sort of navigation bar things as the other lines?

--Knuckle50 03:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't really sure about how I would fit it, I guess I'll think about it and get back to you... --Knuckle50 03:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:title

Please stop and take a look at my objections on the Village Pump. --cesarb 17:58, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Move to User:RickK

This should be moved to User:RickK. SPUI only abuses admins, but RickK abuses new users too. Therefore he is a better person. --SPUI (talk) 21:58, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it should be at User:RickK, on the "original author" principle. smoddy 09:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Babel on de.wikipedia

Hi SPUI,

I replaced your own Babel template on your de.wikipedia User page by the "correct" templates. I hope you agree with this;) If not, just revert and don't care of me... --rdb 21:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

NB: Nice user page here in en.wikipedia;))

Snowspinner is an asshole, sorry about you getting kicked

I tried to stick up for you being unreasonably kickbanned by Snowspinner, then the fucker went after me. I've already complained to Fennec so hopefully he will lose his IRC ops privileges. I have logs that show everything that went on during his tantrum. Bumm13 15:31, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

US 220

Removing US 220 from the Template:US Highways would be wrong. It is a US Highway it is not a state route, and was designated in 1926 with the rest of the highways, such as US 20, US 50.

It is a US Highway so it belongs in the list, and it is bannered a US Highway. It recieve Federal US Highway Funds. It meets all requirements for being a US Highway and is labled as such.

But you may be correct in it not being a spur of US 20 however when the Highway act was enacted in 1926 many spurs did not connect to the "mother road" although that was the intent, but I don't have a problem with you removing the Spur comment.

• You have me confused in your thinking now. If it is a Spur route is doesn't belong in the Template:US Highways list, but your saying it is a not spur route which would make it a primary and putting it in the [[Template:US Highways where it is now. Please clarify your position.

According to MDSHA, "US 220 was an original 1926 US route" According to NCDOH "US 220 was an original 1927 US Route, but did not reach North Carolina until 1935 when it was extended south from Cumberland, MD." (I think 1927 is a typo). I can find nothing of it being a Spur which would make it a Primary. --71Demon 21:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Appalachian Development Highway System

First thanks for the ADHS that is a good idea.

Not sure on the lenthy, Corridor D idea. I see your reasoning, but there is nothing ambigous at this point, and I don't for see anything in the near future. I live north of Corridor H and nobody refers to it by the route numbers. It was one of the orginal AHDS highways, and for 40 years people have been calling the route Corridor H also few people know of the Appalachian Development Highway System by simiply using Corridor H it will direct people to the ADHS.

Second thanks for fixing the Corridor D vs Corridor N I was trying to determine how to do that.

Also made US 48 a disambiguation page to eliminate the confusion of the reuse of the route number several times.--71Demon 13:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

US 48 / ADHS

US 48 I think should remain a Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation since there have been 3 different US 48's I live 20 miles south of Interstate 68 formally US 48 and people still refer to it as 48. I also live 20 miles North of Corridor H and nobdy refers to it as US 48. No signage has been put up in WV at all proclaiming it as US 48 official maps of VA and WV don't list it as US 48 yet. Virginia has put up US 48 signs on their 7+ mile section, but they also still use the VA 55 designation. WV only uses the WV 55 and US 219. At this point if we loose the Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation page we will only add to the confusion. People still thinking of Interstate 68 as US 48 will simple think Misplaced Pages is wrong, those searching for Corridor H will get confused with the US 48 designation since they have not seen it. The Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation page allows them to find out there were 3 US 48's and if they get the wrong one the can simple hit the back button to find the correct one, learning in the process, and learning is what this is all about. I think we should keep the Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation page, until the states themselves remove the Disambiguation in the real world.

Your Corridor H + ADHS makes sense now and works for me.

--71Demon 13:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ducks?

What was that for? 65.30.202.235, known better as WikiFan04 23:10, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Seriously, man, I don't know what you're doing. WikiFan04 00:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Stop it now, or I will take your case to a moderator. It's not funny. --WikiFan04

Thank you

Thank you for your standing against censorship of feces pictures. Can I also encourage you to register your vote on the Talk:Feces page? The vote is very close. The censors might ban all photos of poop. Eyeon 13:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks; I blinked. Go Poo!

Template:MNRR acc

Hi SPUI,

I just came across this copy of Template:acc. Is there a reason why this exists in addition to acc? If not then we should probably delete this template along with acc. The easiest way of achieving that would probably be to redirect it. --MarSch 15:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why don't you link them now, instead of waiting for the creation of those articles?--MarSch 15:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, what I don't understand is what happens to the wheelchair when you make them into redirects. --MarSch 15:54, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It works!!! I think this is a brilliant hack, I don't even understand where the picture is. Or is Image:NYCS acc.png an image AND a redirect? --MarSch 16:09, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I think I understand now. What you really want is <Unicode for a wheelchair> only that doesn't exist. Nothing I came up with works either :( Image:NYCS acc.png :Image:NYCS acc.png Image:NYCS acc.png File:NYCS acc.png Image:NYCS acc.png

Does any image tutorial/guide say anything about this?--MarSch 16:33, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

jajaja

Do you know that this link at the top of your page kills firefox? Maybe I should update... --MarSch 16:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

QUACK

QUACK QUACK QUACK!!!

User:Again

I have once again removed the e-mail addresses; they are being used for distribution of pirated software. See this edit for evidence. - Mike Rosoft 05:11, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Doppelgangers

I saw you discussion with ClockworkSoul about stopping the imposters before they get a chance to impersonate you. I've created a template for these "Doppelganger" accounts to keep clones from being blocked, and I thought you might like to see it: Template:doppelganger. Hope it helps! Essjay · talk 12:59, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Month Templates

Do you make the month templates (ie: Template:Year B 1) or is it made by a bot? There is someone who wants to make something similar in Maori. --Munchkinguy 03:05, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Holy crap, six letters!?

I can't believe I missed that. --Poiuyt Man 12:33, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikicomedy

Jondel has summoned me to tell Wikipedians about Wikicomedy. I know you have an interest in highways. Do you think you can generate some jokes about any highway-related topic for Wikicomedy. Also, BJAODN don't belong on Misplaced Pages anymore now since some have been transwikied to Wikicomedy not to mention that it is a more appropriate place for humor nonsense. --SuperDude 01:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Testimony

Would you mind to answer a question for those of us discussing the proposed Doppelganger policy? I know that you requested to have ClockworkSoul unblock your Doppelganger after it was mistaken for a vandal; the question is: "Why wouldn't a user want thier Doppelganger blocked?" Since you have firsthand experience, could you offer an answer? Please answer here. Thanks, Essjay · talk 10:40, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Essjay · talk 11:02, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

The dead expressways wikicity

I noticed that you took out the link on Freeway declaring that project dead. I have no reason to doubt your diagnosis, as I've asked a couple of times on the wiki itself and on UKRoads' wiki, and gotten no reply whatsoever.

But to get to my real question, is there some de jure or de facto process used to negotiate Misplaced Pages's relationship to other topic-specific wikis? As I was setting up a poker Wikicity I felt the need to assure Angela that we wouldn't be cannibalizing WP's poker content, which only makes sense -- I'm not a big fan of redundancy. But I just wondered how this is handled in other cases where Misplaced Pages already has detailed info on a topic, and someone proposes another wiki with even more detailed info on the topic.

Thanks, PhilipR 14:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

SlimVirgin ignoring your request

Read the bottom of - she is reneging on her promise to unprotect. 70.177.90.39 21:46, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)