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Fandom

Stop writing fandom as facts, there is no source that this is a "supergroup".

The bands name is S.K.I.N, as there is already a singer using the name SKIN.

The history section was poorly written, it has been re-written with the same information in a readable manner.

Do not post "fandom" as facts.

Furthermore, there is an official website for S.K.I.N, it has been added to the links section.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.148.152 (talk) 05:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The Skin promotional video on Yoshiki's site will make a nice addition to the Skin page, it will be indisputably added to the External links section. I have also incorporated the attendance noting and the FAQ added to the JRR official site. Thank you for making those constructive contributions.

None of the reversions to your edits have been done out of "fandom", as I know that I and another editor are hardly "fans" of the band, and while we both may have mild interest in where the band goes, we are both established and reliable editors on Misplaced Pages. Editors to this page who are registered and contribute constructively do not add "fandom as facts", as that is against Misplaced Pages's policies. If you would simply visit and thoroughly read each policy, all details would be clear, as every reversion is in the scope of the given links. Thank you for utilizing the talk page, it is one step closer to an understanding of both parties' intentions. --Jacob 06:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

You, and the few others, have no understanding of the Japanese music scene. This information was taken directly from the Japanese article about S.K.I.N.

How old are you, 13 - 20? Absolute ignorance!

Skin vs. S.K.I.N.

Shouldn't it be renamed to S.K.I.N.? jd 13:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggest to wait until the meaning of this supposed acronym is disclosed to the public. Right now, "S.K.I.N." is merely a stylized variant of "Skin", without anything else to it, which is not compliant with WP:MOS-TM. Since news on the project seem to surface on a daily basis, I don't think it will be long until we have more clarity on this issue. - Cyrus XIII 14:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be confirmed as S.K.I.N by the teaser trailer on the band members' homepages. Also, Gackt's site used S.K.I.N in the news part of the site. Edit: Logo confirms it http://dears.ne.jp/images/skin/logo.gif (Anonymous 19:39, 10 June 2007)

This does only confirm "S.K.I.N." to be the official typeset, is does not say anything about the name actually being an acronym. - Cyrus XIII 19:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Would the official site be able to confirm this? 66.214.92.60 22:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

But the S.K.I.N. official logo was confirm at 11 June in Yoshiki.net already

Since this still comes up in the edit summaries quite a lot, I will explain it again in greater detail: The Misplaced Pages Manual of Style favors the use of "standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" (see WP:MOS-TM). While writing acronyms in all-caps is standard English, rendering a regular word (which does not serve as an initialism) in that fashion, isn't. There are examples of band names that are indeed acronyms (i.e. ABBA) but also some that only appeared or were suspected to be (i.e. Kiss). Misplaced Pages articles have to take a neutral approach towards each of their subjects (see WP:NPOV), hence we do not replicate stylized typography in our articles. Other people's brand management is not our concern. Logos may be mentioned or pictured to illustrate the topic at hand though, which in this case is now done through image in the infobox. - Cyrus XIII 00:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Stylized typography or not, it's the bands name. Read the JRock revolution myspace blog regarding S.K.I.N frequently asked questions. As explained there by an official source the bands name is S.K.I.N, not skin. I cannot refer to the myspace blog however, as those links are banned by wikipedia, nevertheless if one were to ignore this information merely because it cannot be sourced then this wiki would be purposely defying the truth. Which is a little pretentious for even "Misplaced Pages policy". Don't you think? --JinecouO.N.E 07:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You are missing the point. This is not about a lack of sources that confirm the official typeset. Misplaced Pages just won't reflect it, due to its formatting guidelines, which favor standard English text formatting over stylized typography. If you disagree with this notion, you may always initiate a discussion on the talk pages of the respective guidelines. - Cyrus XIII 10:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

And so are you, it's the bands name. If my name was spelt "J.I.N.E.C.O.U" and people spelt it "Jinecou" it would be nevertheless, incorrect. You are over-interperating Misplaced Pages guidelines in a mechanical way, this article should be a reflection of what is correct, not what Misplaced Pages formatting guidelines allow under ambigious circumstances.

To quote
"Which is correct, SKIN or S.K.I.N.?
S.K.I.N."

Edit -- As this issue does not look like being resolved easily, I have made an article for S.K.I.N which redirects to this one, therefore anyone who wishes to find the band article by inserting the official name as a keyword will be redirected here, it's a start. Deny this though, and there is something seriously wrong. --JinecouO.N.E 16:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, nothing wrong with having such redirects in place, for reader convenience. Though I was under the impression, that I had already created one at S.K.I.N. Anyway, to quote the very same FAQ you previously referred to:

What does S.K.I.N. stand for?

That information is not available. It has not even been confirmed that S.K.I.N. even stands for anything.

Which means that at this point, it could be S.K.I.N., sKiN or , it would still be a stylized variant of the regular English word skin. I'm not "over-interpreting" (thanks for assuming good faith), I'm merely applying. Again, if you feel that the Manual of Style got it all wrong, nothing bars you from putting it up for discussion. - Cyrus XIII 00:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I think on this issue, both should be placed on the page. The Korn page has gone through a similar debate, and in the end, typeset was added as a side note. Maybe this should be added to the initial paragraph.--Jacob 17:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not happy with this, under no circumstance should the "Manual of style" be of greater importance than what is right, and what is wrong. For example, under the current circumstances what proves to say that the word "skin" is even pronounced in a standard way? If the bands name was literally spoken "S, K, I, N" then wouldn't the standard english equivalent be an entirely different word?

It is S.K.I.N and not SKIN, as there is a british singer using the name SKIN. If you do not know much about the music industry, DO NOT POST! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.148.152 (talk) 05:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

-- Edit --

I brought the issue up in the discussion page of WP:MOS-TM, as I was kindly inclined towards by Cyrus XIII, and the insight given is to use the style which is more readily used in reputable sources - which was my original argument, this seemingally being S.K.I.N. However, should there be clashing sources with different names being used we are suggested to sway towards using "Skin". Thats where we're at, I don't think the issue needs to go further unless there is a strong evidence to make another case. I wont make any changes towards the main page as not to trigger another edit war, so I therefore wait for a second opinion within the circle of editors of this article.

-- JinecouO.N.E 07:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Having had an (admittedly quick) scan of the article and with a working knowledge of the polices, I'd keep it as

Touring Japan?

I think we should take down that info claiming that they're touring japan in the fall. Miyavi himself is going to be in korea in the fall (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/art/2007/06/143_5005.html), and yoshiki and gackt have both said in either press releases or interviews that this project is for the international fans and that japan would be last if they even played there at all. We've got some contradicting information at the moment, so I think, until we can find another source confirming any appearances in japan by the band, that I'll take that line out for now. At the moment, the evidence against going to japan is much stronger than the one article in japanese that hardly anyone can read claiming they're going there. If anyone has any info on any shows AFTER the AX one, please share it, because I haven't seen any press releases from yoshiki or anyone else on it yet. (Tsukiakari 06:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

I think I found the source for the mix up with the november japan dates- It appears that Yoshiki is having Violet UK perform at the opening for a horror movie in japan that he wrote some music to, and that's happening in october- it's rather close, and the only thing I think it could have been mixed up with. Here's the link talking about the show- http://www.jrockrevolution.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=98 (72.91.27.241 05:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC))

Ju-Ken

I just added the source for the Ju-Ken tidbit. My website's editor was at the event and wrote a news post about it for my website.

I don't think Ju-ken is the official member of S.K.I.N.. He just supported Skin as a bassist on June 29. So we should delete him from the members of S.K.I.N. Also, SKIN's official website says nothing about Ju-ken.

Steven

There is no official page of SKIN. That one page is just a nicely done fan-website.

Steven 15:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Skin-online.net is NOT the official website!

Jrock Revolution website : "As the band is lacking a permanent bassist, Gackt brought along a member of his own back up band, Gacktjob, named Ju-Ken."

So Ju-Ken seems to be a support member?

Jrock Revolution makes many mistakes, so I guess we have to wait and see what will happen... - 19:44, 2 July 2007

Origin

Skin's origin is currently Japan, which is obvious, as all members are Japanese. However, the band seems to be basing activity out of Los Angeles, Yoshiki is a resident of Los Angeles and the initial announcment and debut were made in the United States. Maybe the United States should be labelled as the "Origin"

Also, Yoshiki's MySpace (as it does seeme to REALLY be his) speaks of meetings with the members in Los Angeles, rather than Japan. Any thoughts?--Jacob 12:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

The template manual suggests to list the founding city of the given group, I guess we should go with L.A. then. - Cyrus XIII 00:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

You should not write things as facts, for which there is no official source! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.148.152 (talk) 05:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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The second half of the top paragraph makes no sense. Can someone explain to me what that means or change it so it's understandable? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.217.69.159 (talk) 23:42, August 23, 2007 (UTC)