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http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Jeningrad$.asp http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1324221/posts http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=217&x_context=7 http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=217&x_context=8 http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Apr-02/220402.html http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Culture/2021.htm http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Jenin_Again!$.asp http://www.rosenblit.com/big_lie.htm http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,680480,00.html http://www.rense.com/general24/900.htm http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/4/12/163750.shtml http://www.khaleejtimes.co.ae/ktarchive/140402/middleeast.htm http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/4/Aerial%20Photographs%20of%20Jenin http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-gross051302.asp http://watch.windsofchange.net/2002_04.htm http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=84673&d=24&m=7&y=2006 http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=35702&d=30&m=11&y=2003 http://www.propheticround-up.com/wr/wr2002/jenin042402.htm http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/195.htm (antisemetic admitting) http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/10/The%20Islamic%20Jihad%20Terrorist%20Infrastructure%20in%20Jeni http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/4/Jenin-s%20Terrorist%20Infrastructure%20-%204-Apr-2002 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,1061206,00.html http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0417/p01s05-wome.html http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/7/Suicide%20Bombers%20from%20Jenin http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0204/12/lt.01.html (CNN Mass Graves) http://gush-shalom.org/archives/kurdi_heb.html (kurdi bear - hebrew) http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=286481 http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=96c43ca9-ec26-470a-adda-93476ff79799 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/218vnicq.asp (exported hatred) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/04/13/wmid213.xml http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,682143,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1932943.stm http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/687910/posts (Why Europeans Bought the Myth - Jenin - Part II) http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/s639418.htm http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51a/index-d.html http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Battle_of_Jenin&oldid=144755890 (Jeningrad) - within five weeks all but one of the residents was accounted for. Judea and Samaria Human Rights Watch found no evidence to sustain claims of massacres http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/04/20/isr221ad.xml http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/haaretz0717.htm (the myth of the Jenin massacre evaporated on its own. But Palestinian Minister Saeb Erekat continued lying, though he lowered the number of dead from three thousand to five hundred.) palestinian based international press center with media accounts on the Jenin battle. Betsy Pisik, The Washington Times, 2002/05/04 : Abu Ali, who has spent his entire life in the refugee camp. "I know that 500 people died here, and http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/05/03/jenin.tape/ "Israel lost 23 soldiers in the fighting and said its forces took painstaking efforts to avoid civilian casualties." http://watch.windsofchange.net/themes_12b.htm#rights http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/haaretz0717.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/687911/posts http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-gross051302.asp http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,710532,00.html http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0416-04.htm http://www.doublestandards.org/huggler1.html http://www.bbcgovernorsarchive.co.uk/docs/reviews/panel_report_final.pdf http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1957862.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3015814.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1974389.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2165272.stm http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0240.htm http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/582/6inv2.htm http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/582/invasion.htm http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/361eea1cc08301c485256cf600606959/b1099239dea7d8c185256c6f005899a7!OpenDocument http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2002/275/ledger.html The Involvement of Arafat, PA Senior Officials and Apparatuses in Terrorism against Israel- Corruption and Crime - 6-May-2002 http://web.israelinsider.com/views/6459.htm http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=46&x_review=10 (In Road to Jenin, Thaber Mardawi Islamic Jihad fighter discusses the explosives that Palestinians used against Israelis in Jenin.) http://www.waronline.org/en/terror/suicide.htm (6 year old) http://www.abbagav.com/blog/_archives/2006/6/27/2384396.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/04/20/isr221ad.xml http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/haaretz0717.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3ABattle_of_Jenin&diff=158513836&oldid=158496719 Al Jazeera CNN arabic al arabya - no massacre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaakobou (talk • contribs) 13:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
fpinfomart.ca
What happened at Jenin? This article did appear on the date indicated, but we are not permitted to display or sell it at this time. Byline: Stewart Bell, Source: National Post, with files Reuters Page: A1 / FRONT, Edition: National National Post - Mon, Apr 15, 2002 - 1590 words
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"A grocery store owner near Jenin spoke in a hushed voice about seeing Israeli troops loading the bodies of massacred Palestinians into a refrigerated truck which he said was still parked on a nearby hill. Asked to elaborate, he declined. "The people that are sitting there are collaborators," he said.
"The refrigerated truck was parked on a grassy hill, where Israeli troops were resting with their tanks and armoured vehicles listening to Alanis Morissette on a stereo. When a National Post reporter inspected the truck, it contained not bodies but apples and other food and supplies for the troops."
BBC cancelled
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2525034,00.html http://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-2525034,00.html http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/1/406594
Genocide II
as i've stated before, i intended to leave this issue out until i make a deeper inspection. i present some sources and hope to hear some perspectives and opinions on these sources. Jaakobou 04:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
sources
1) (translated) , (original)
- "The cry of distress : Israeli army committed genocide in the Jenin refugee"
- "often to the point of genocide, the deliberate, as in "Gaza" recently In the Jenin refugee camp"
- "What happened in Jenin was genocide undoubtedly"
4) Jeningrad: what the british media said
g-comments
(struck my comment, I didn't notice the Google translations - will comment again shortly) Eleland 11:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
0) Thanks for the effort to find sources.
1) Google machine translations are unreliable, although in at least one case the author is clearly discussing genocide, this is not clear in all 3.
2) We need to know who these sources are; are they reprints of print media or just some websites? If they're print, what kind of circulation and influence do they have? If they're websites, is there any exceptional reason to believe they are significant? Eleland 12:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
UN report inspection
B. Security, humanitarian and human rights responsibilities
Area A consisted of the seven major Palestinian towns - Jenin, Qalqilya, Tulkarm, Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Jericho and Hebron - in which Palestinians would have complete responsibility for civilian security.
The Interim Agreement also provides that "Israel shall have the overall responsibility for security for the purpose of protecting Israelis and confronting the threat of terrorism". It states that "both sides shall take all measures necessary in order to prevent acts of terrorism, crime and hostilities directed against each other..
The Palestinian Authority is obligated under international customary law to respect human rights, including to refrain from carrying out attacks against civilians, and is required to prevent groups within its territory from engaging in such attacks. Thus, the Palestinian Authority has the responsibility to protect Israeli civilians from attacks, including suicide bombings, emanating from areas under its security control. Those Palestinian groups that have carried out attacks against civilians have also violated the basic international legal principle of the inviolability of civilian life and property. Acts of terror that take life violate the right to life set forth in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In addition, those groups, and other armed personnel, are prohibited under international humanitarian law from establishing military bases in densely populated civilian areas.
- commentary/complicity:
- (netanyahu on CNN)
- (suicide bomber came from the West Bank town of Jenin) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaakobou (talk • contribs) 20:56:31, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
C. Rising violence
I called on Palestinians to stop all acts of terrorism and all suicide bombings, stating that such attacks were morally repugnant and caused harm to their cause.
the Palestinian Authority seemed to believe that failing to act against terrorism, and inducing turmoil, chaos and instability, would cause the Government and people of Israel to buckle
From the beginning of March until 7 May, Israel endured approximately 16 bombings, the large majority of which were suicide attacks. More than 100 persons were killed and scores more wounded. Throughout this period, the Government of Israel, and the international community, reiterated previous calls on the Palestinian Authority to take steps to stop terrorist attacks and to arrest the perpetrators of such attacks.
Over the course of two days, 8 and 9 March, 18 Israelis were killed in two separate Palestinian attacks and 48 Palestinians were killed in the Israeli raids that followed.
The proximate cause of the operation was a terrorist attack committed on 27 March in the Israeli city of Netanya, in which 28 people were killed and 140 injured. I condemned the terrorist attack from the Beirut Summit of the League of Arab States as morally repugnant
D. Operation Defensive Shield
http://www.un.org/peace/jenin/
Asaf Harofeh
http://he.wikipedia.org/%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%A3_%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%90 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaakobou (talk • contribs) 12:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
PR - no alternative but evidence gathering
due to the latest attack that is just a minor unnoticeable incident in a long standing issue that's really stretched my patience to an end, i've started evidence gathering from 1500 edits back, last date checked - 22:06, 19 December 2006
note1: i've left out almost all the links relating to PR's concerns about being purposely led in a direction that might get him mislabeled as anti-semitic, or his reverts/edits.
note2: i havn't checked the extent of each breach from every possible direction and each could possibly be a result of an argument going both ways in similar fashion.
AN/Is etc.
IncidentArchive291#User:PalestineRemembered_part_III —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaakobou (talk • contribs) 00:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
accusing me of disruptive behavior on TalkPages (and responses)
personal attacks on others
23:17, 11 November 2006 - - "when are your Zionist buddies going to put down their guns and allow the people back to their homes?"
21:12, 19 November 2006 - - "I suppose I should congratulate you on buying a second book."..."you're now going to introduce fiction to your edits to the project."
copnspiracy
19:43, 5 November 2006 - - "The Zionists want you to do so, in order that they can silence you with their nasty smears."
18:02, 8 November 2006 - - "Don't fall into the trap set for you by the Zionists"..."Zionists themselves are racists, and they think in this racist fashion"..."I know you think I'm exaggerating about the danger the Zionists present to your life and mine ..... but I'm not. This is a well-oiled and ruthless machine. They don't want me here exposing the criminal nature of Israel"
18:19, 10 November 2006 - - "they are trying to conceal crimes from which they themselves are benefitting, similar to crimes they themselves have committed."
23:19, 10 November 2006 - - "I have serious problems with non-Muslims discussing this concept."..."the Zionists are driving this discussion,"
23:42, 11 November 2006 - - "I cannot activate my e-mail in this system, because the Zionists will use it to track me down and attack me in my personal and professional life."..."stick around and expose their lies."
00:51, 12 November 2006 - - "I fear you're allowing the Zionist ethnic cleansers to dominate this article and mislead anyone coming across it."
21:14, 16 December 2006 - - "Someone needs to explain what is WP:RS. Otherwise it's as if anything that challenges Zionists cannot be accepted. And Administrators will deny WP:RS as well"
soapbox
23:35, 11 November 2006 - - "Israel is based on terrorism."..."Israeli agents continue to scour the world, hunting down and killing their enemies - who might well be people like me."
18:52, 13 November 2006 - - "You didn't mention "Don't bother mixing it with the Zionists, there is far too much money at stake for the system to deal with POV edits from them"." (in response to a civility notice) - (removed - 22:09, 13 November 2006)
18:12, 19 November 2006 - - posting on another user's archive. title="Stop adding cut-and-paste propaganda dump to my user talk page!!!!!!" (removed by user)
17:09, 20 November 2006 - - "There are people who rubbish many proven examples of mass murder carried out by violent racists - regular folk have a word for this practise, and names for the people who do it."
19:10, 21 November 2006 - - "PPS - you seem not to have made any attempt to answer the question - "When are you going to put own your gun and allow the people back to their homes?"."
21:00, 23 November 2006 - - "This article reminds me of "The Sun" tabloid newspaper in the UK"..."This discussion looks exactly like a feeding frenzy. C'mon guys, get a life. (Apologies to any readers of the "The Sun" coming across what I've said about you, but a pound to a penny not one of you will see this)."
11:29, 26 November 2006 - - "people will come to the WP having only heard claims made by the Zionists"..."you compare Giladi, a victim of racism in Israel and a victim of malice in his entry in the WP, with Arial Sharon, a racist killer and ethnic cleanser is difficult to understand." (subsection title: "Naeim Giladi and malicious breaches of Biographies of Living Persons")
21:52, 26 November 2006 - - "Good thing I didn't waste my time proving that the Zionists cheated the Palestinians of some of their land, before going ahead and robbing them of all of it, isn't it? That might really have upset you!"
warring samples
18:19, 23 November 2006 - PR -> Avraham -> PR -> Isarig -> PR -> Amoruso -> Huldra -> Quaiqu -> Huldra -> Amoruso -> Huldra -> Amoruso -> PR -> Amoruso -> Zero0000 -> Isarig -> Tiamut -> Isarig -> PR -> Isarig -> PR -> Quaiqu -> Huldra.
Jenin Jenin linkfarm
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2458415,00.html
5 לוחמי ג'נין תובעים את מוחמד בכרי
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3449923,00.html
השבוע: משפט "ג'נין ג'נין" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaakobou (talk • contribs) 01:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)