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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Zeraeph (talk | contribs) at 20:59, 22 September 2007 (creating archive at suggestion of User:A Kiwi who will move back anything she feels is inappropriate). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Strang Keep because each contentious section leads to a child rticle where emotionality and cutting edge, but not yet strongly enough peer reviewed and replicated can be effectively presented. This is the type of article that attracts emotionally charged readers, for these are THEIR children and diagnoses that have impacted too close to deal with an unemotional NPOV article. The daughter articles (linked at the TOP of each section) allows those who need more, who need more sources of optimism and hope, who need more positive spin. This gives them those platforms that will keep a well-written encyclopedic quality article from being destroyed again by quotes, research results and "facts" that cannot be verified by those who have been struggling with the rewrite. Even Z, a personal acquaintance of Baron-Cohen (diagnosed personally by him and his even familiar with her home) has not been able to avail herself of a loaned text, a single photostat of any article, not a single citation, not a single reference to any text that must be available at a medical school in Dublin. And while Z has reverted many edits, I do not recall her adding a single novel edit that corrected any of the errors, despite her daily hours posting of criticisms on the Talk page. Critics can be taken more seriously when the critic is a participant in the process. Ceiling Crash has been an very active and productive participant (some persons have had recent vacations) and if he feels strongly about this, perhaps some strong importing of deleted material and significant editing begun on these sister or child articles. And perhaps it is now time to contact those editors who did a lot of work on the 2006 edition, but who haven't dropped by in this past month so they can look this over. My opinions and thoughts, for what they are worth Kiwi 01:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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1. In terms of Misplaced Pages, "sources of optimism and hope" and "more positive spin" would constitute clear WP:POV, and should definately disqualify an article from featured article status.
2. Personally, in fact, I made several "novel" alterations (that were invariably reverted) but very few reverts as such. If you feel that is incorrect, please show diffs?
3. Sadly, I have never met either Sacha or Simon Baron-Cohen (which, is referred to is unclear) let alone been diagnosed by them or had then in my home, and I have absolutely no idea how such a peculiar myth arose?
4. I would be very interested to know what the source is for the assertation "has not been able to avail herself of a loaned text, a single photostat of any article, not a single citation, not a single reference to any text that must be available at a medical school in Dublin". It seems to be a wild guess to me? It also seems irrelevant to FAR to me? - Zeraeph 02:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

In reply - My profound apologies to Z and all editors The Asperger expert with Trinity University of Dublin who diagnosed Z was not Baron-Cohen, but Michael Fitzgerald. How I got the two mixed in my mind, I do not know, for I had just heard back from Professor Fitzgerald's office regarding my request for a referral for a friend. Here is the quote I remembered incorrectly.

per http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Asperger_syndrome/Archive15

"I am a fully (Micheal Fitzgerald, no less) dx'ed Aspie" - Zeraeph

http://www.professormichaelfitzgerald.eu/

http://www.tcd.ie/IMM/research_neuropsychiatric.php

http://www.jkp.com/catalogue/author.php/id/1105

Again, my profound apologies for my memory slip. But still, I felt it a shame that one's personal physician nor the local medical school library would prove to not have any relevant source material. Kiwi 14:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• It is exceptionally hard to see what A Kiwi actually knows,

1. one way or the other, about the source material in my possession or that of the "local medical school library"?
2. my relationship to any person or physician (who would be bound by strict laws of confidentiality) beyond that which I choose to state?
3. how any of this is even faintly relevant to FAR? --Zeraeph 14:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

1. It is very hard to see how I spent "daily hours posting criticisms on the talk page" if one actually looks here Talk:Asperger syndrome - History - Zeraeph 02:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

In further reply Due to a your recent WikiBreak, the last 500 posts does not accurately reflect participation, thus referenced the past 1500 to when the present FAR commenced Talk:Asperger syndrome -full FAR-related history Kiwi 14:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• It is also very hard to see how I spent "daily hours posting criticisms on the talk page" if one actually looks here Talk:Asperger syndrome -full FAR-related history 500-1000 posts or here Talk:Asperger syndrome -full FAR-related history 1000-1500 posts. Perhaps WP:NPA is worth a visit too? --Zeraeph 14:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, Z, that a listing of 1500 is too much to ask, so this is a far more targeted and far shorter listing of only 350 - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&limit=350&target=Zeraeph Kiwi 14:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Good, because, as anyone can plainly see there are no "daily hours posting criticisms on the talk page" even before you make comparison on Talk:Asperger syndrome - History with the time spent by other editors on the same page which is often far more. What on EARTH is the relevance of dominating this discussion with personal speculation and commentary on me? --Zeraeph 15:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

On the whole it might be an idea to take a quick look at WP:CIVIL? --Zeraeph 02:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)