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November 8

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Wizards of Waverly Place

Category:Wizards of Waverly Place - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - unnecessary eponymous category. Material doesn't warrant categorization. Otto4711 18:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete overcategorisation per nom, Tewfik 18:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:University of London External Programme

Propose renaming Category:University of London External Programme to Category:University of London External System

Propose renaming Category:People associated with the University of London External Programme to Category:People associated with the University of London External System

Propose renaming Category:Alumni of the University of London External Programme to Category:Alumni of the University of London External System

Nominator's rationale: Rename all to reflect the university changing the name. The main article is now at University of London External System. Timrollpickering 12:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Falcon 18:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Trailer Park Boys

Category:Trailer Park Boys - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - unnecessary eponymous TV show category. Everything is interlinked and templated. Otto4711 18:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 18:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Delete overcategrisation per nom and precedent, Tewfik 18:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Juvenile deliquency films

Delete as non-defining and subjective, or at least Rename to Category:Juvenile delinquency films. -- Prove It 17:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete as non-defining and subjective, and suffers from the same problem most "films about" categories have: how much about the subject must the film be and what 3rd party RSes tell us it's at least that much. Carlossuarez46 18:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Centuries of the future

Category:Centuries of the future - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: It's a mismash of future centuries and events which may (or may not) occur in the future, and some miscellaneous categories and articles loosly related to the future. If reserved for future centuries and millennia only, it might be useful.... — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Jim Jones albums

Propose renaming Category:Jim Jones albums to Category:Jim Jones (rapper) albums

Propose renaming Category:Jim Jones songs to Category:Jim Jones (rapper) songs

Nominator's rationale: To match the title of the main article – Jim Jones (rapper) – and avoid any possible confusion with other people named 'Jim Jones' (note that 'Jim Jones', when used without any parenthetical disambiguator, refers to this person). – Black Falcon 17:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment No objections to renaming the category I created. Katharineamy 18:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Requests for verification

Delete, since Misplaced Pages:Requests for verification seems to be inactive. -- Prove It 16:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:To do, priority Collaboration

Delete, or at least Merge into Category:To do, priority undefined. I suspect this was created by mistake. -- Prove It 16:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Construction equipment rental companies

Category:Construction equipment rental companies - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete, article/list in category space, with only one categorised article and lots of redlinks in the list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 20:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Keep. Dropped the introduction and added a good parent Category:Vehicle rental. Vegaswikian 00:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Andrew c 16:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Werewolves in fiction

Propose renaming Category:Werewolves in fiction to Category:Werewolf fiction

Nominator's rationale: More specific names distinguish b/w articles about characters, which belong to Category:Fictional werewolves, and those about media which would belong to proposed cats. - Tobogganoggin 02:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Also proposing:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobogganoggin (talk • contribs)

Oppose. Werewolves appear in fiction that is not werewolf fiction. For example, the character Man-Wolf debuts in The Amazing Spider-Man, a publication which no one would call werewolf fiction. Use the more inclusive terms with in in them. Doczilla 06:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I wasn't able to locate an article on Man-Wolf, if one is made, my scheme would have his article placed in Category:Fictional werewolves. Which ever way it goes, though, how about splitting up Category:Werewolves in film and television? I would think werewolves in films belongs as a subcat to Category:Monster movies, but not if TV shows are included. - Tobogganoggin 17:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
  - I wonder why you couldn't find it. Man-Wolf redirects to John Jameson (comics). Anyway, I still think the more inclusive term serves a better purpose. Doczilla 19:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
    - OIC... I must have left out the hyphen. - Tobogganoggin 20:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. per Doczilla, and whether comics are literature is open to debate, and for werewolf films and television, that should be deleted because it suffers from the same problems that most "films about" have: how much about the subject matter must the film be and what 3rd party RSes will tell us it is at least that much? Are werewolf films any film in which a werewolf apprears. God help us! Carlossuarez46 22:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Andrew c 15:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Poetry collections by Margaret Atwood

Propose renaming Category:Poetry collections by Margaret Atwood to Category:Poetry by Margaret Atwood

Propose renaming Category:Poetry collections by Leonard Cohen to Category:Poetry by Leonard Cohen

Nominator's rationale: Rename - per convention of Category:Poems by author. Otto4711 15:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:James Merrill

Category:James Merrill - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Otto4711 15:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 18:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Ian Rankin

Category:Ian Rankin - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Contents are interlinked and templatized. Otto4711 14:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 18:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:The Sandbaggers TV episodes

Propose renaming Category:The Sandbaggers TV episodes to Category:The Sandbaggers episodes

Nominator's rationale: per WP:EPISODE Elsesteps 14:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Rename as suggested, per conventions of Category:Television episodes by series. -- Prove It 18:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Comic-book packagers

Propose renaming Category:Comic-book packagers to Category:Comics packagers

Nominator's rationale: Rename - per convention of Category:Comics. Otto4711 16:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge to Category:Comic book publishing companies. This is too narrow and to subtle a distinction to merit is own category. There is no Comic-book packagers or Comics packagers. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Merge following BrownHairedGirl - a number of these are already people who reprint titles. (Emperor 21:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC))
Oppose, it's a good little category doing no harm and a formative part of the history of the medium. Also saddened that I missed a large number of discussions which seem to have renamed several categories from comic books to comics with no real reason other than to follow perceived convention. Steve block Talk 10:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Oppose per Steve block. It's not the same thing. The packagers differ from those commonly recognized as the publishers. A comic book packager does not package other kinds of comics. I've been wondering: Where did this supposed convention come from? There are too many kinds of comics (e.g., stand-up comics) for this to be consistently clear to all readers. Who decided this and when? Slow down on these changes to comics left and right. Give WikiProject Comics participants time to discuss this. Doczilla 00:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Stand-up comics are categorized as comedians. My understanding was that Wikiproject Comics had already resolved the issue, in favor of "comics." Otto4711 13:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Falcon 06:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment. In addition to the question of whether to merge, please also comment on whether the category ought to be renamed – assuming it is kept – to Category:Comic book packagers (i.e. without the dash in "Comic-book"). – Black Falcon 06:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Is there any reason why we should? I mean, is it just another for the sake of it move? Is there any greater clarity in that result? I'm not opposed, it just feels like change for changes sake. There's so much else that needs fixing I can drop this proposed change way down my current to do list. Steve block Talk 10:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  - Well, the discussion is already open ... and the change will be made by a bot. It really doesn't take much effort to make the change at this point. Of course, the change shouldn't be made solely for its own sake, but rather out of consideration of linguistic accuracy (i.e. which is more accurate: "comic-book packager" or "comic book packager"). Although, again, this question is relevant only if the category is kept. – Black Falcon 17:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Books in the At Issue series

Category:Books in the At Issue series - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - Non-notable publisher's series with only one item and no head article. (And could one really be written?) lquilter 04:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Modern Library 100 best non-fiction

Category:Modern Library 100 best non-fiction - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. This is a publisher's list of "best x". Considered as an award, it's non-notable, non-defining, and overcat. lquilter 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete as clearly a published list. -- Prove It 18:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom & Prove It. Carlossuarez46 18:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Dinosaurs discovered in Arabic countries‎

Category:Dinosaurs discovered in Arabic countries‎ - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: WikiProject Dinosaurs has been categorizing articles by taxon (such as Category:Theropods), by period (such as Category:Triassic dinosaurs), and by continent (such as Category:Dinosaurs of South America), per consensus within the project. "Category:Dinosaurs discovered in Arabic countries", was not created with the consensus of the project, and is based on modern political boundaries (or human language classifications), and is not based on the natural dinosaur groupings one would expect to see (type, time, or paleo-location). Without biting the good-faith user who created the category, it must be said that a category of ancient animals based on modern political boundaries is probably not really useful for readers interested in finding clear and accurate information on dinosaurs. See also the discussion about this category on WT:DINO and this related deletion discussion. Finally, a judgement about which countries can be considered "Arabic" countries is contentious, and, frankly, beyond the purview of this WikiProject. Firsfron of Ronchester 03:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete - I just don't see how this category is helpful for organizing or finding information. It's an odd choice for a category, as there's no definition of what Arabic countries are, or indication why their dinosaurs should be considered together. At this point, since there are no named dinosaurs from the Arabian Peninsula, it's mainly a category for dinosaurs of the middle Cretaceous of northern Africa, in which case a better name would be Dinosaurs of the Continental Intercalaire (the geological formation most of them are from). J. Spencer 04:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The creator has put more on the talk page about the boundaries and purpose of the category. It's for members of the League of Arab States, and it is intended to be educational, showing the inhabitants of these nations that there were dinosaurs in their nations. J. Spencer 14:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete-as above. I agree categories for geological formations would be more useful than countries or amorphous regions based on human culture, as they would group animals that lived in roughly the same place and time. Dinoguy2 06:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Delete as above. Divisions by country is meaningless when it comes to dinosaurs. Circeus 17:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Delete as above, what lived some place 65 million years ago and who lives there now is an odd intersection. Carlossuarez46 18:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Science fiction short story collections by Harlan Ellison

Suggest merging Category:Science fiction short story collections by Harlan Ellison to Category:Short story collections by Harlan Ellison

Nominator's rationale: Redundant underpopulated category. Posted a comment at Talk:Harlan Ellison#categories and Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Science Fiction#redundant categories and got positive feedback. Also suggest merging Category:Fantasy short story collections by Harlan Ellison Sbacle 02:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete both as empty. Otto4711 05:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Merge both - as emtpy. Still not sure where the content went though! :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 09:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment The missing content is my fault. There were two or three books in each category and I moved them about a month ago. I was unfamiliar with the proper procedure for these things, and didn't realize I wasn't supposed to do that. I can look through my history and move them back or let you know which books were in which category if you want. The reason I moved them originally is that most of these books don't fall completely into one genre or the other. For instance, I think Ellison Wonderland was originally in the s.f. category. But two of its stories ("Gnomebody", and "Rain, Rain, Go Away") are really more aptly categorized as fantasy. (according to Harlan Ellison: The Edge of Forever, by Ellen Weil & Gary Wolfe, Ohio State University Press, p 65.) Most of his later books are even more genre-ambiguous. The only Collection that is entirely s.f. is A Touch of Infinity which doesn't have a page (and doesn't really need one.) Sbacle 13:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Another comment By the way, I did contact the creator of the categories over a month ago. The user has not been active since July. Sbacle 13:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Organizations by field

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category or categories above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was speedily deleted by Vegaswikian as empty. Procedural non-admin close. Bencherlite 12:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Organizations by field - Template:Lc1

Delete - Nominator's rationale: Empty for several months and redundant of Category:Organizations by subject. (Part of an incomplete project to clean up Category:Organizations, but by subject fits in better with the Category:Categories by subject tree.) lquilter 02:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:77 Boadrum drummers

Delete, as performers by performance, the list in 77 Boadrum is enough. -- Prove It 02:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 18:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)