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Welcome!

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Re: Hi

I replied to your question on my talk page. +A.0u 01:33, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Harakat

Hello Perspicacite, I don't think I'm the best person to ask as I can't read or write Arabic script, but my understanding of the Misplaced Pages style guidelines is that the extra strokes to indicate the vowel sounds are not usually written in Arabic script, and thus are not included here. I would recommend you ask User:Anas_Salloum, he's very well versed in such topics. Regards, -- Jeff3000 02:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre

Our article on the Srebrenica massacre has seen lots of discussion because it is a controversial subject. As you noticed, any edits you (or anybody else) make without giving a clear explanation of your reasoning are likely to be deleted. Please leave a comment on the talk page giving the reasons for the edits that you want to make. Thanks, Jitse Niesen (talk) 02:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Zimbabwe articles

Thanks for all your copyedits to Zimbabwe history articles. Wizzy…☎ 08:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ahrn Palley

The sources listed at the bottom of the article are the sources I actually used to write the article. Stop tagging as unreferenced an article which plainly is, it's testing my patience. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 20:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I see your latest gem is to remove the fact that the Presidential election result in Zimbabwe Rhodesia was reported in the Daily Telegraph of 29 May 1979 and then describe this as unsourced. As a matter of fact I think a better source is the Journals of the House of Assembly although I can't remember which page exactly. But I doubt you've ever looked through every page of the Journals of the House of Assembly of Zimbabwe-Rhodesia and every page of the Official Report of Debates to source articles, as I have because you'd rather spend your time tagging sourced items as unsourced. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 21:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Userpage and Rhodesian Front and Newcomer

My comments originally posted on User talk:beneaththelandslide under the subheading of "Userpage and Rhodesian Front." All other comments were posted here under the subheading of "Newcomer."
I saw you reverted my edit to Rhodesian Front. My edit changed a series of bullets into paragraph form. This is per Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style guidelines. If you disagree with my edit then please explain why - either on my talkpage or the article talkpage. I also see you reverted Gnome (Bot)'s edit to your userpage. The bot removed an unlicensed image, again per Misplaced Pages guidelines. It will do so again. Perspicacite 05:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You seem relatively new to Misplaced Pages. A few things:

1. tags are immensely irritating. You could throw them into the most referenced article there is, but all they do is clog it up.
2. Footnotes are ideal, especially for larger articles. But references, without specified page numbers, are fine. You cannot claim an article to be unreferenced when the references are listed, but aren't in footnote form.
3. Key Misplaced Pages policy: Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules. Common sense should override policy where appropriate; there is no reason to mindlessly adhere to dogma when, in certain situations, it just doesn't help improve the encylopedia.

If you need any help, ask. But please realise that some editors here (like Fys) have been putting in for years, have contributed tens of thousands of words, and do not like seeing their hard work mangled due to a blind adherence to a particular interpretation of "policy".

Best wishes, michael 05:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from removing citations as you did here. Your conduct on Ahrn Palley follows into the category of Wikistalking. Additionally, referring to fact templates as "stupid" adds nothing to the discussion. Perspicacite 05:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not "wikistalking" (a loose, undefined and farcical concept). It's me having the items on my watchlist, noting the changes, and seeing about fixing them. Again, there is no need to meddle with articles. How about actually getting some books, sitting down, and writing one? Much better than removing references, adding countless fact tags, making articles harder to read, and irritating experienced users who enjoy writing for Misplaced Pages and shouldn't have to put up with recalcitrants. michael 05:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from referring to edits made in good faith as "vandalism" as you did here as this is an incorrect characterization and a misunderstanding of WP:VAND. Referring to my edits as "mindlessly adher to dogma" is also highly uncivil. Perspicacite 05:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Again I ask that you maintain civility. Characterizing my edits as 'meddling with articles' is uncivil. I have written several articles on Misplaced Pages and have spent a considerable amount of time attributing content on Robert Mugabe. Please provide a single instance in which I have removed references. The grand total of fact tags I have added on Rhodesian Front and Ahrn Palley comes out to two. That's not exactly "countless." Calling me a recalcitrant is uncivil at best and a personal attack at worst. Perspicacite 05:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I can't wait to tuck into the articles on Mugabe and the 'Front and turn them into FA's. Perhaps Palley too. You've inspired me. (regards civility, hm? I'm not one for ass kissing, or blowing smoke up it, or adding fairy padding to my words. Straight and blunt: the way I like it. Much better than being a conceited snake who pretends to be civil for show) michael 05:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I see yesterday you referred to Mr Tan's edits on William Light as "idiocy in action." On Pookie (vehicle) you said, "idiots who put these banners in should be shot." On May 7 you said, "remove idiot fact template (whoever invented these should be shot) and fix." And, of course, calling me a "conceited snake who pretends to be civil for show." These are all violations of Misplaced Pages's civility policy. Perspicacite 05:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

There's probably plenty more examples of my 'incivility' if you want to look all the way back through the thousands of edits I've made. But, shouldn't you not be wikistalking? Leave it here. End. Why keep playing tit-for-tat? I'm going to get back to researching for, improving, and writing articles. michael 05:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your kind words on my talk page. Custodiet ipsos custodes talk 05:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Removal of line spaces

I responded on: Talk:Decriminalization of marijuana in the United States#Regarding line spaces after section titles on the editing page (no affect on general article) —Christopher Mann McKay 21:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ezra articile

removal of information even if you are upset of scholarly criticism goes against npov of wikipedia do it again and i will contact an admin about blocking you for a day

--Java7837 21:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hilarious. 00:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with putting other points of views especially scholarly opinions on other pages the fact is all it was saying was the bible, the talmud, the zohar, Midrash Rabba, Sefer haYashar (midrash), Midrash Tanchuma, Ein Yaakov, etc. never say Ezra is the son of God

Ask any Jew you can meet if they think ezra is the son of God this is one of the reasons why i left islam it only provides lies about the Jews and Christians and then put great restrictions on them because they aren't muslims no concept of all are equal before the law.

Yes I did they are very very very similar! --Java7837 00:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

My ancestors were from Chechnya. --Java7837 00:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

My grandfather was an ashkenazi jew (he converted to Islam)

Ashkenazi Jews are not descended of Khazars see

http://en.wikipedia.org/Khazars#_note-hammer

and

Anti-Zionism

Thanks for the note. I've removed the obviously false bit. Jayjg 17:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Elohim

In some cases, the Biblical plural noun Elohim acts as a semantically plural noun, apparently referring to multiple entities, and grammatically takes plural verb and adjective agreements. This type of situation is not usually referred to as "pluralis majestatis", and therefore your edits to article Elohim were not an improvement. AnonMoos 18:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Dude, I'm sorry I included 5 tildes to sign my comments instead of 4, but the simple fact is that the phrase 'Elohim 'Aћerim `Al-Panay "other Gods before me" occurs in the original Biblical Hebrew of 20:3 (where the adjective 'Aћerim "others" has a PLURAL grammatical ending) -- as the article adequately indicated before you started messing around with it. Since your familiarity with the details of Biblical Hebrew grammar and the real meaning of terms such as "pluralis maiestatis" would seem to be slightly shaky at best, it's really best for you not to make major edits to the article without discussing things on the talk page first. AnonMoos 23:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Whatever -- "Maiestatis" is actually an acceptable spelling variation in some contexts (closer to the original ancient Latin spelling, as you would know if you actually knew Latin), and I contribute to the Latin Misplaced Pages (which I bet you don't) .

On the actual main point at issue, you need to face up to the fact that if you can't look up the original Biblical Hebrew of Exodus 20:3 and understand what you're seeing, then you're just not competent to edit the Elohim article in the particular way in which you're editing it. If you want citations for relevant facts, then you should go about requesting citations in the proper manner (and/or actually discuss things on the article talk page) -- instead of mutilating the article by adding in a load of nonsense which accomplishes exactly nothing (and which I notice that you yourself haven't supplied any relevant sources for). AnonMoos 01:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Dude, if you know Biblical Hebrew, then Exodus 20:3 is all the reference you need, because you simply turn to that passage and it's right there in front of your nose "as large as life and twice as natural". If you don't know Hebrew, then you're 100% dependent on your understanding (or misunderstanding) of what other people tell you at second- and third-hand. I'm sure that The Complete Idiot's Guide to World Religions is a basic elementary introduction which is reasonably successful at the particular task it attempts to accomplish -- but perusing a work of that nature will not make you an expert in Biblical Hebrew word meanings, nor competent to debate the concepts of linguistics or the history of Judaism at the advanced level which is involved in your edits to the Elohim article.

Furthermore, the passage from said book is actually in basic agreement with my position. The fact that the word Elohim WHEN REFERRING TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL is grammatically singular was already explained at length in the article long before you came along. However Elohim in the particular verse Exodus 20:3 is NOT referring to the God of Israel, but rather to "other gods", and in that verse the word has plural adjective agreement and also plural meaning (according to just about every Bible translation which has ever existed). This has nothing to do with alleged "polytheism" (as you rather irrelevantly complained about in one of your edit summaries).

Yet furthermore, the difference between Arabic 'Ilah (Allah without the definite article) and Hebrew 'Eloah (Elohim without the plural ending) might be loosely called a "pronunciation difference" when trying to roughly explain linguistics concepts to laymen, but professional linguists have a specialized technical terminology which they use in such cases (such as "cognate correspondences" etc.) -- a terminology which is actually much more correct in linguistic terms. Your deleting this correct linguistic terminology from the article in favor of ad hoc loose popularization words was distinctly not helpful. AnonMoos 09:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Decriminalization of marijuana in the United States

Please stop making unnecessary and unconstructive edits, especially after they have been reverted multiple times. Thanks. —Christopher Mann McKay 01:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe

Hi!

You reverted my edit to the Zimbabwe article where I stated that the hyper inflation was cuase by the printing of to much currency and worened by economic output drops. I realise that this is a quite controversial article and that the exact cuase of hyperinflation in any country is always debatable but I do feel that the printing of currency faster than its withdrawal is the major cause in Zimbabwe. If you disagree as to it being the major cuase thats fine but it should at least be mentioned as it is happening in Zimbabwe (see sources at the bottom of hyperinflation). Perhaps we can find some middle ground?

Let me know what you think.

John

CaptinJohn 13:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

RhoZim

I am tempted to write a comprehensive article on the history of Rhodesia and Zimbabwe, but plan to do it in History of Zimbabwe with associated sub articles (e.g. History of Rhodesia 1895-1923, History of Zimbabwe 1980-1990, etc). The work over at the Rhodesia page is a filthy mess, half biased one way, and half biased the other. I don't want to attempt to clean up that trainwreck for a while. Michael 03:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

References

Are you using real books, or simply using previews in Google Books for your references? Michael 06:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I just see your writing style leaning towards what would be in a newspaper (and was wondering why it is so), rather than something written for academia or an encyclopedia. I see an overuse of quotations to the point where the article feels more like a dozen and one opinion pieces, without coming together into one neutral view.

On Peter Walls, for example, there's a few quotes critical of the man, and then at the end, one glorifying him. This seems to me as being imbalanced, and not a proper writing style. I find it impossible to tell whether you admire the people you write about, are poking fun at all the characters in the 'story', or if you look down at them with contempt. Such is the haphazard nature of your writing. Michael 06:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Administration

Are you going to continue using this word inappropriately and out of context? I also noticed the "Smith apartheid administration" bit, which is more than just out of context, its untrue. Please tidy up your edits. Michael 09:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ian Smith

Rhodesia was not an unrecognized country. The government was unrecognized. Perspicacite 18:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC) OK. What do you think would be a new title for this category?Mohonu 20:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you need to go to "Category:Former unrecognized countries" and remove Rhodesia, because that is where I got the name from.Mohonu 03:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Clark Amendment

Hi there, Interesting bit of info you added to the Clark amendment article re Israel serving as a US proxy in Angola. (Glad to see that stub of an article expanded somewhat!) However, it really ought to give some indication of when that conversation transpired -- can you provide the month & year? (and perhaps even how long a time-span Israel served as a proxy)

On a different point, I'm 99.9% certain that Jane Haapiseva-Hunter (whoever she is) has nothing to do with the book in question. I googled her name, and it looks like she writes on religious subjects -- not geopolitics, which is (plain)-Jane Hunter's area of expertise. I'm guessing that perhaps you gleaned your info from an article that quoted the book, rather than directly from the book itself?? If that's the case, it would be better to cite the article instead of the book. (That's what the Misplaced Pages guidelines call for.)

Oh, one more thing before I sign off: it's always good to leave an edit summary when you finish -- really helpful to other editors. Regards, Cgingold 12:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello again, Thanks for the external link you gave me -- it was extremely helpful to have the actual text (as well as a link to add to the article).

I'm copying your reply to the talk page for the article -- and I'm going to post a new paragraph there explaining the reasons for my edit. Regards, Cgingold 13:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Great work

Hi there.Great work on Zimbabwe articles. Africa Festival mangqina-Mazondo 01:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That edit to Mobutu Sese Seko made me giddy with delight. When I edited the early section a while back, I thought "somebody really needs to take an axe to the foreign policy sections", but took a pass myself. Nice work. - BanyanTree 05:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Foreign policy of Mobutu Sese Seko

Hi Perspicacite. You are off to such a great start on the article Foreign policy of Mobutu Sese Seko that it may qualify to appear on Misplaced Pages's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee 18:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Alvor Agreement

Hi Perspicacite. You are off to such a great start on the article Alvor Agreement that it may qualify to appear on Misplaced Pages's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee 02:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, Perspicacite, and welcome to WikiProject Zimbabwe! We are a growing community of Misplaced Pages editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles relevant to Zimbabwe. Here are some points that may be helpful: Our main aim is to help improve Zimbabwe-related articles, so if people ask for help with an article, please try your hardest to help them if you are able. Most important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page; it is highly recommended that you watchlist it. The project has several ongoing and developing activities, such as the current collaboration, which you are welcome to participate. If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to our translation section, to help us improve our foreign Zimbabwe topics. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We hope you enjoy working on this project.

July 2007

	The current Zimbabwe WikiProject Collaboration of the Fortnight is Not applicable!
	Please read the nomination text and help improve the article to featured article standard if you can.

Thanks

Thanks for that :) ♠TomasBat 23:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

French Defense minister

I have reverted your changes to Minister of Defence (France) and List of Defense Ministers of France‎, such big changes should be discussed on the talk page first. Carl Logan 08:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Alvor Agreement

On 8 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alvor Agreement, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 20:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Press TV

Hi Perspicacite,

Is there some policy stating that Press TV cannot be referenced? It is a government run station, just as is the BBC and France 24. I don't see why it cannot be referenced. ... Seabhcan 21:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to the Press TV article have been submitted to 3PO

Why do you keep deleting any reference to your Press TV edits from your talk page? Are you trying to hide your anti-Iranian edit history? Any way, as you can see here, I submitted a dispute to 3PO. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:PRESS_TV I wonder how long it will take you to nervously delete this. --Vitalmove 07:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, my extensive Iran-related edits shame me. Perspicacite 07:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You have plenty of anti-Muslim and anti Iranian edits in your history. Not sure why you're so interested in Islam and Iranian politics. --Vitalmove 07:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

For shame, for shame. I have dishonored the tens of Muslim Angolans. Perspicacite 08:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Pleave get involved

Would you be so kind as to enter into the dialogue regarding your recent behavior on the Talk:PRESS_TV page? DRosenbach 13:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mark Levine

While I still have doubts about Mark Levine's notability, I kinda say that the AFD nomination was going no where. Also I don't realy wont to get involved with this PRESS TV thing. – Zntrip 20:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI

There's a thread on ANI about you here.-Wafulz 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

What I don't condone is your repeated reverts of a perfectly reasonable edit at PRESS TV, done apparently to drive the other party into a WP:3RR violation which you then reported him for, and you not being willing to discuss the edits. That's edit warring. I haven't looked into Vitalmove's accusations of WP:STALKing, so no opinion one way or the other, but it's a serious accusation. That said, I also don't condone Vitalmove's behavior in reverting you right back, or in making comments that are bordering on personal attacks. Mangojuice 12:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

1RR violation

Regarding your comment here , User:Hajji Piruz is formerly User:Azerbaijani, and is on 1RR per week parole by ArbCom, see here . Not only he makes reverts but does not even discuss them on the talk page violating ArbCom decision. Atabek 00:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

None of those were reverts, they were edits. Look closely at the diff's, I did not add or remove anything from the article in the second of third diff's, I simply changed the wording as per the clean up tag to make the article better. You should porbably know that there is currently an arbcom going on right now in which Atabek and I are involved...Hajji Piruz 02:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I made no reverts, look at the diff's closely.

For example: The second diff Atabek posted, I changed "...is compounded by the ideological distortions which took place during their political reign, although they were probably of Kurdish or Iranian descent" to "is compounded by the ideological distortions which took place during their political reign, although they were probably Iranian, most likely Kurdish, descent" because the previous sentence did not make sense. Since you are not familiar with the subject, I will explain, Kurds are an Iranian people, so it doesnt make sense to say that they were probably of Kurdish or Iranian descent, because how can someone be of British and Indo-European descent, the British are a sub branch of Indo-Europeans, its the same with Kurds and Iranian. So I changed that sentence to say "probably Iranian, most likely Kurdish" which means that they were probably of Iranian origin, most likely of the Kurdish sub group.

Its the same situation for the third diff Atabek posted. None of these were reverts, these were fixes. None of these were reverts to any previous version and the second and third diff's had no removal of information at all, contrary to what Atabek claims.Hajji Piruz 02:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR on Bennie Noakes

Thanks for looking into this 3RR vio report. Just fyi, I posted the 3RR vio a little over 24 hours ago. Since that time, the edit warring to keep his OR/Synthesis in the article continued, so I had to have the article protected. Unfortunately, he cannot undo his last revert...but neither can he continue warring. :)

I know blocks aren't punative, but are instead meant to stop edit warring; so if he's not blocked for the infraction, he should be at least warned by an admin. I believe he will continue using the tactic of revert warring in the future if something is not said. Thanks for your time! Dreadstar † 10:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you a Misplaced Pages Administrator? I don't see your name on the list. Are you involved in addressing 3RR violations, or just acting as a clerk? BTW, the note you left on his talk page left out info on the 24 hour period generally used to count reverts for the purposes of 3RR. Fairly important...;) Dreadstar † 10:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Thanks for your great reply! I agree with you on the delay, waiting over 24 hours for a response to a 3RR vio when editwarring is going on...not good! Seems to be more workload than the admins can handle. I know what you mean about late/early...me too...tired, mistakes...Gahhh is right! Good luck with the admin quest, I wouldn't mind taking up the mop and broom myself one day. Dreadstar † 19:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Socialdemocrats

Perspicacite I think you should read his/her edit history more carefully. Some of his edits are vandalism, most of the rest are just edit wars that he/she runs continually. On his Vandalism, please check what he did over the John Major image that was uploaded by another user. The image was found to have copyright problems so that same user replaced it with an image that was free from problems. Over the next week Socialdemocrats continually replaced the old image until it was removed for violation when the time had run out. Socialdemocrats has done this on several other occasions. The rest of the edits are continious edit wars with other users , which are generally spiced with abusive language. All I can say is good luck trying to talk with Socialdemocrats. The rest of us have tried and got no-where... Galloglass 23:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I do wish you well in this Perspicacite. The thing is SereneEYE has tried the nice approrach, I've tried the constructive approach, in fact we've tried everything we can think of and its not worked. Its not as if we're dealing with someone of low ability. The person concerned has a VERY high IQ and knows their way around Wiki very well. AS long as you know what you are dealing with then you have every right to try and help Socialdemocrats and I do hope you succeed. Galloglass 08:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Rhodesian Bush War Move

I understand your reason in moving the page back and I am totally aware that there was no consensus in this affair. I understand you need my cooperation, but I think it is best that we move the page to a more neutral name. I will not try to move it, and I will comply with your move, but I think that many would agree that having a neutral name would be much better than having a senseless argument about naming.

(Bluelist 15:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC))

RE Barrel Roll

Thanks for the compliment. No, I have not even thought about it. Why bother? I have had two previous A-class articles up for FA (Cambodian Civil War and Battle of Khe Sanh) and neither one made it. "Too long", "too detailed", "wrong style," etc. I would rather the articles stay as they are than see them bastardized for the sake of non-military editors. Once again, thanks for the compliment. RM Gillespie 15:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

MDC

Perspicacite ,hey sorry for stepping on your edits,but there are many untruths on the newly added material.I am not violating WP:3RR because I am reverting clearly libelous material, and poorly sourced controversial material.The style the material was written is promotional in nature,and that is a clear violation.Let us revert to the old article first,and discuss the issue on the Talk.The new material is added by one Vusa Dube with one agenda;I don't know what it is but I know its sinister.We expect editors to be professional period.

MDC split

New material on the split must be discussed before edits.Newly registered members are vandalizing this entry.

Mainstream Faction of the MDC

The following 10 links from both the Zimbabwe government,and independent media palpably say that the MDC main wing is led by founding president Morgan Tsvangirai,a fact new edits want to shield.This whats on the ground and we must be factual. Should I say more,just do the research.

• http://allafrica.com/stories/200707130559.html
• http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1221780
• http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-07-15-voa21.cfm
• http://www.zimonline.co.za/Article.aspx?ArticleId=1158
• http://www.thezimbabwetimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1114&Itemid=44
• http://www.thezimbabwetimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1072&Itemid=44
• http://74.52.38.210/~makusha1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=561&Itemid=2
• http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/feb8_2006.html
• http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__africa/&articleid=301764
• http://www.thestatesmanonline.com/pages/news_detail.php?section=1&newsid=3928

Excuse me?

Why are you duplicating the talk page of Macedonians (ethnic group)? And what do you mean by me "vandalizing"? The case has been discussed with an administrator already. Also, do not post false results on the 3RR page as you are not an admin. Mr. Neutron 02:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Do not revert the 3RR page or I will report you. Mr. Neutron 02:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

For the record, Perspicacite, you should probably try again in a few months if you wish to become an admin. While your attempt to help out at WP:AN3 was a nice idea, you really should know that admins can block for a reason; they have gained the community's trust. I should also tell you that your RFA would likely have failed anyway had you not been blocked, you've only been here since may and have amassed fewer than 2,000 edits. However, as I said, give it a few months and you should pass. New England

Owing to that and the other comments on your RFA, I've closed it as unsuccessful per WP:SNOW. I do suggest reading up on policies and guidelines, get acquainted with the rest of the community, and earn their trust. Just give it a few months, and the community is likely to change their minds. Cheers, (→O - RLY?) 08:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Revert rule

I did break the rule I admit but it think many other guys did too. Talk Page

1. 14:08, 21 July 2007 CZmarlin (Talk | contribs) m (54,251 bytes) (Undid revision 146097104 by Archer5054 (talk)rv to an image where car is visible) (undo)
2. 14:08, 21 July 2007 CZmarlin (Talk | contribs) m (54,251 bytes) (Undid revision 146097104 by Archer5054 (talk)rv to an image where car is visible) (undo)
3. 02:15, 22 July 2007 CZmarlin (Talk | contribs) m (54,298 bytes) (Undid revision 146208063 by 66.87.15.230 (talk)rv to an image where the car is visible in daylight) (undo)
4. 16:48, 22 July 2007 CJ DUB (Talk | contribs) (50,972 bytes) (→Fourth generation (1994–2004) - rem redundant or crappy images) (undo)
5. 00:29, 24 July 2007 CJ DUB (Talk | contribs) (50,834 bytes) (Undid revision 146595957 by Archer5054 (talk) NP) (undo)
6. 00:40, 24 July 2007 CJ DUB (Talk | contribs) (50,834 bytes) (Undid revision 146650412 by Archer5054 (talk)undo AGAIN) (undo)
7. 01:09, 24 July 2007 CJ DUB (Talk | contribs) (50,834 bytes) (Undid revision 146654336 by Archer5054 (talk)You=wrong. No more superfluous images when there is NO CONTENT) (undo)

This doesn't justify my breaking it, I just read him say that there are to many pictures on that page I feel that the picture I tried to post was different cause it shows what custom add-ons that are popular for the mustang, many of the other pictures are redundant they are all stock mustangs. The problem is that it shows many pictures of the same year of mustangs but different packages... I wanted to show what kind of mustang people are most likely to see (I my version it best explains the mustang to the average person). The pictures on that page that should be deleted are the ones that show canvas convertible mustangs or the other available packages because people can picture that on their own, while the picture I posted shows stuff that is more in-tune with what people would what to see when reading about Mustang custom add-ons. --Archer5054 07:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Booyabazooka's RfA

Hi, I noticed that you opposed Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Booyabazooka based on the candidate's erratic editing habits. I don't know if you've seen his comment underneath your oppose; he explains why his editing has been erratic, and also states that he checks his watchlist daily and would therefore not be unavailable for urgent business. Since this was the only rationale you gave, you might want to reconsider your oppose. Walton 12:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Connell66 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

A Mighty Heart

This is not debateble. Removal of tags without first discussing it and coming to a consensus (vandalism) and POV-pushing are not acceptable. NPOV violations are not vandalism until the user repeatedly reinserts the statements. It is also unfortunate when Jordanjames/99.244.13.233 will not respond to requests for discussion. Due to the look of his talk pages and his silence I consider his edits as being in bad faith, you may assume good faith if you so choose. But I'd rather you not dictate to me what I can and cannot call an abusive user's actions. -- WiccaIrish 08:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Do what again? Is this all of your case? It is doubtful that an administrator would do much, if anything. I'll have no problem reporting silly, baseless threats. -- WiccaIrish 09:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Opinion

Whatever my misgivings regarding your own editing style, I don't doubt that you've got a calculating mind—so I'd like to take advantage of it! Any comments, opinion, etc regarding the progress of this article would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Michael 07:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of sourced material

Sir, please discuss the deletion of sourced material on the talk page.Ultramarine 15:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Bdell555 3RR

If you read the history, you will find that the edit-war comment was not mine, but User:RedSpruce's. I'd appreciate it if you'd strike the comment you made. ELIMINATORJR 17:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Zimbabwe Members

Your thoughts please: Zwerrifringweraand has been blocked and is therefore no longer a part of Misplaced Pages. I removed him from the list of members for this reason. Do you think he should remain a member despite being unable to make contributions? Mangwanani 16:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Interview

Thanks, I've added it as an ext. link. Might be useful to expand the article as well; I think there's a few things in there that our article doesn't have yet. Everyking 11:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

WP Zimbabwe August 2007

	The current Zimbabwe WikiProject Collaboration of the Fortnight is Not applicable!
	Please read the nomination text and help improve the article to featured article standard if you can.

Mangwanani 08:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PRESS TV and 3RR

Are you sure?

• previous version from 7/3
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He reverted me the first time as well, so I think he's actually over the limit. Anyhow, I don't like to trick people or irritate them this way. If the article is still unacceptable in a few hours I'll fix it, but not just because he is forbidden from reverting again. Cool Hand Luke 20:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me, but I don't realy want to get involved. It seems like Vitalmove doesn't want to discuss anything. My only suggestion is to notify the admins. if he's not playing nice. – Zntrip 22:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh

My mistake. I often miss obvious sarcasm. Cool Hand Luke 05:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

3RR report

I think I added in the times now. GreenJoe 18:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Zimbabwe

Fix it if it's ungrammatical. There is nothing speculative in it. Ark La 20:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

CITET formatting

It seems to me that the cite templates are a lot easier to maintain when each parameter is on a separate line: it also make it easier to read, since the beginning and ending of the template are very clear.--SarekOfVulcan 18:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ethiopian Civil War

Sorry, I don't know anything about it (I mostly know about music and cuisine). Badagnani 03:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

External links

Hi, please see Misplaced Pages:External links#External links section with regards to singular vs. plural. Picaroon (t) 21:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Robert Mugabe

Hello,

why nonsense ? Robert Mugabe is the leader of an awovedly racist regime. Unless you think anti-white racism isn't racism.You have no need to be arrogant. Thanks. Wedineinheck 07:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

And who are you supposed to be, to address me like that, may I ask ? Instead of politely writing me, you start by accusing me of writing nonsense. Thereby, I have every right of considering you as arrogant and that you use personal attacks. Wedineinheck 07:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Wedineinheck

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:uw-test1}} instead of {{uw-test1}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. nat 08:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wedinheick

Thanks for the response. I find I disagree with your assessment of the situation. In my view his repeated personal attacks - that I am an "arrogant," "obnoxious," "cry-baby" fall into the realm of unacceptable behavior. As he has continued to make such comments after repeated warnings from Nat and myself I find that his actions merit a block. He seems to believe his behavior is... tolerable. I hope you do not. Perspicacite 09:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for messaging me.

I agree Wedineinheck's reactions aren't helping at all, and suggest Wedineinheck has a problem with perspective (perhaps partially because they may be too new here to know what to expect).

But calling good faith (albeit crummy) edits "vandalism" appears to be what set Wedineinheck off on this trajectory. Your 2nd warning starts out good, but then quickly puts this user on the defensive.

I can't insist this wouldn't have happened if you WP:AGF'ed and patiently explained what Wedineinheck did wrong. But Wedineinheck seems to believe they've been unfairly persecuted.

For what it's worth, I've probably done this to new editors as well. It's something to look out for. / edg ☺ ★ 09:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Revamp

Just to let you know, I have completely revamped the WikiProject Zimbabwe page so that it is more uniform to the layout and design of other WikiProjects. Please have a look and try to fill in any of the new sections created. Your help is much appreciated. Many thanks, Mangwanani 17:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		Zimbabwean Barnstar of National Merit
		Mangwanani presents the Zimbabwean Barnstar of National Merit to Perspicacite for his constant dedicated contributions to Zimbabwe-related articles. Many thanks for all your hard work Awarded for contribution to WP:ZIM by Mangwanani 15:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Not a problem. It is well deserved. I have been spending more time trying to get WikiProject Zimbabwe to the same stantard as the other more developed WikiProjects. This includes the Categories, Subcategories, Sub pages to the project etc. This has taken over me doing edits but I would like to get it as "complete" as possible. I am thinking of starting a Sub-WikiProject for Harare. Any thoughts? As you may have noticed, I have changed the {{WikiProject Zimbabwe}} template so that it now incorporates ratings. This was mainly done so that we, as the editors, can identify articles which need work and how urgent that work needs doing. I have started going through the list of articles in the Category:WikiProject Articles and any help in doing this large task is much appreciated. For any future articles you may write, you may also like to know, if you don't already, that I have also created an abbreviated version of the said template. It can be found here {{WPZW}}. Once again, many thanks in your continuing contributions Mangwanani 15:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring on Zimbabwe

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Zimbabwe. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. --John 20:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

"The core content is fine. The only reason we've been reverting you, as we already stated, is because of how sloppy and ungrammatical the content is. If you fix the grammar there would not be a problem." Next time just fix the grammar and we won't have to have all this hassle!--John 01:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Harnessing Misplaced Pages

That's the problem I have the idea, but currently lack the means. It does not make sense that with all the technology life expectancy in Zimbabwe for females and males is 24 and 37 respectively. Not forgetting the record inflation, food shortages and collapse of the health system. We now live in a multipolar world where ordinary humans have the power to do something. Surely something can and should be done. I am working on it - thinking of a way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Part (talk • contribs) 10:41, August 29, 2007 (UTC) PS. I have left our message to the father of Misplaced Pages user:Jimbo Wales. Part 10:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

WPZW September

Hi,

	The current Zimbabwe WikiProject Collaboration of the Fortnight is Not applicable!
	Please read the nomination text and help improve the article to featured article standard if you can.

As the number of people taking part in WikiProject Zimbabwe grows, I have more and more people to notify of changes. If you havn't already done so, please could you add the notice board to your watch list so that I can add any changes there and only once not as many times as there are members. Many thanks, Mangwanani 13:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews

May I ask what is wrong with Wikinews? I mean, everything over there is sourced, and every article combines at least two other reputable ones, so I'd say it's even better than a narmal source. Could you elaborate? Thanks, Blood Red Sandman 23:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mobutu Sese Seko

Hi Perspicacite, My low opinion of WP:GA, amongst other things, has overflowed into a bit of a tiff between the current reviewer and I over Mobutu Sese Seko. (1 & 2) You obviously value GA status and I would like to apologize to you if my actions have harmed its chances. Sincerely, BanyanTree 08:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support at my RfA. Regards, Jogers (talk) 09:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

if you wish to discuss the Harare/Salisbury redirect issue, please contact me on my talk page, or the Harare discussion page.Sennen goroshi 17:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Perspicacite, Salisbury UK is an ancient city that still goes by that name, and when people are searching wikipedia it is much more likely they are looking for that one rather than the old capital of Zimbabwe. That is the reason for the redirect. Wizzy…☎ 08:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Perspicacite, I have been reading up on the Salisbury/Harare issue and to be honest no one uses the Salisbury name for Harare any more as Harare is now the more common and official name. I have to agree with Wizzy that people searching for Salisbury are more likely to want Salisbury UK than Harare and I think that a link a the top of the Salisbury UK page to Harare should be included. Sorry, I know that this is your express intention but to be fair Salisbury UK is where the redirect should go. Mangwanani 16:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

PMOI

I've tried to get protection before, but the level of vandalism is not high enough. It's frustrating that it's the same people posting the same POV. If it keeps up, I might try getting at least one editor blocked. Dchall1 21:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit Warring on MDC

We ave settled our deferences with Fys on the MDC,My problem was that he was removing sourced material,which is against the pillars of Wiki.But you should see the development I have made on the MDC article and other Zimbabweanand South African articles in general.Africa Festival —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Demographic Analysis

It does not make sense to redirect Demographic Analysis to Demography. The methods of Demographic Analysis are used in a wide range of fields: education, historical comparative research, the study of firms, turnover and population ecology. The methods warrant their own discussion, as well as a review of the contemporary application of the methods to a variety of social scientific questions. Please do not issue redirects to pages without discussion first. Thanks. --Htw3 18:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi-- I believe Dr. Clark offers a high quality introduction to the methods in question: http://faculty.washington.edu/samclark/Soc433/. Of course, many of the methods developed to answer questions of human population dynamics have been applied to other fields. Notably, firms, organizations, institutions, institutional forms; as well as turnover retention within organizations; and social networks all benefit from methods developed originally in demography. Finally, demographic analysis is not the same thing as the field of demography. Most graduate courses in demography are topically focused and the methods are applied well beyond those topics. --Htw3 02:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Gibson Sibanda

Hi.

I noticed that you have been helping me assess the Zimbabwe-related articles. Thanks. However, I just noticed one article Gibson Sibanda as being rated B class. This article is no where near B class, in fact it is only just outside of stub class. I hope this is the only article that has been assessed incorrectly...

If you are unsure please refer to the assessment page.

It still has a stub template on it and I am weary of even making it a start class article as it is so short.

Just thought I would draw your attention to this matter.

Mangwanani 16:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• There's nowhere near enough information for it to be a B class. Even if the topic is a fairly small one it is still the amount of content that sets it up as the certain class. If you aren't sure what to rate them as then just put the {{WPZW}} template on and I shall rate it as i work my way through the unassessed articles. Thanks for your continued help.Mangwanani 17:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Rudy Giuliani controversies additions

Excellant work!!

You'd probably appreciate watching Kevin Keating's documentary on his mayoralty, Giuliani Time. Dogru144 00:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Cess

Although UrbanDIctionary barely qualifies as a "reliable source" per WP:RS, remember that these are guidelines first and foremost. WP:VERIFY and WP:NOR are the relevant policies that apply to this issue, and the edit and sourcing that had been put in for the slang definition of Cess fall within the limits stipulated in both of these policies. In particular, my caveat is that UrbanDictionary is one of the few organizations dedicated to documenting vernacular phrases, idioms and other slang terms that have yet to be adopted by the mainstream population. When an article is edited and a definition of this type added, UrbanDictionary should be considered a reliable source. --CespiT 15:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Guan Shengdi

Just a friendly heads up on Guan Shengdi. I removed your speedy tag, as this seems to be for real. A gsearch for "Guan Sheng di" (with a space in the last word) gives several sources that look (to my unexpert eye) to be legit. Is there something else going on with this subject that I'm not seeing that would lead to a need for deletion?--Fabrictramp 22:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

WPRhodesia

Hi. I have started a sub-WikiProject for Rhodesian articles. May be easier to have one department working on Rhodesian articles and another on Zimbabwean. Time will tell... When working through Zimbabwe articles if you come across an article that is relevant to Rhodesia please change the assessment box so that it reads {{WPZW|Rhodesia=yes}} and therefore listed as an article for the new Rhodesian WikiProject.

You have been invited to join the Rhodesia task force, a collaborative effort focused on improving Misplaced Pages's coverage of Rhodesia. If you'd like to join, just add your name to the member list. Thanks for reading!

Mangwanani 16:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Human rights in Eritrea

In this page you have made numerous POV edits without discussion. Please discuss, and do not introduce POV into the article. Also, do not remove PoV labels. --Merhawie 01:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hadith

I did not warn you for vandalism. Rather, I asked you to use the talk page as you reverted many good faith edits. As for Aterkmani, he was exhibiting the same behaviour as he did on Post which I consider vandalism. --NeilN 06:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Re Aterkmani. Then we disagree. That's fine. --NeilN 06:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Bad Faith Assumption?

Did you really just accuse me of vandalism? In my haste, perhaps I thought the obit was already attached to the article, because it was listed on the recent deaths page, but here it is, although the date was wrong, he was indeed dead, so it's hardly vandalism. I think you might want to review WP:AGF. Cheers, CP 21:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Zimbabwe GA

Hi. I was wondering if you would like to have a quick look at the Zimbabwe article. I have been doing a lot of work on it based on the comments given after the last GA review. It read:

I am of the opinion that as a team we have met all these points bar one - the one about moving the Topics of Zimbabwe out of the See Also section. I have not done this as Russia, Germany, South Africa, United Kingdom and other countries have this box in the See Also section.

Before I put the article forward again for GA review I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Mangwanani 21:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Hi. Could you please tone it down a little? This edit seems unnecessarily uncivil. When I saw you had a prior block for incivility, I nearly blocked you without a specific warning, as I didn't think your recent posts at AN/I were helpful either; William Pietri is trying to help you there and you seem determined not to take the help. In any case, I thought I would give you the benefit of the doubt. Please, however, be in no doubt that continued comments like that will likely lead to a block. Please choose wisely. --John 07:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Frank Gaffney

Regardless of any other concerns at WP:ANI, please do not re-introduce the Jewish-American category into this article without sourcing it. I'm sure you realise that you should not be doing this. Thanks, ELIMINATORJR 16:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

• I apologise if I sounded like I was accusing you of introducing the item first, and it is indeed a revert, however when reverting you need to ensure you are not re-introducing unsourced material, especially on a biography of living persons. ELIMINATORJR 22:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Art of Zimbabwe

yes, I probably should have checked and fixed the link rather than just reverting -- that was lazy of me. Sorry about that. thanks for the note! bikeable (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

My comment about RfC

I was not referring to the check user request. I was recommending that you file an RfC on the dispute with Alice S. I felt--and still feel--that this would illuminate for you that you were in the wrong in this case. You were behaved uncivilly toward her and others in both the Gaffney and the Tolekau AN/I threads. That was my only reason for recommending an RfC to you: I wanted you to be able to solicit outside opinions on your conduct during the disputes. As things appear to have calmed now, I do hope you will not continue to reintroduce unsourced material per WP:BLP, and that you will refrain from attacking other users as you did on the AN/I. I'm certain you have much to offer the project, and I'm glad things have calmed down. Regards, K. Scott Bailey 03:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Hi. Could you please tone it down a little? This edit seems unnecessarily uncivil. When I saw you had a prior block for incivility, I nearly blocked you without a specific warning, as I didn't think your recent posts at AN/I were helpful either; William Pietri is trying to help you there and you seem determined not to take the help. In any case, I thought I would give you the benefit of the doubt. Please, however, be in no doubt that continued comments like that will likely lead to a block. Please choose wisely. --John 07:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Frank Gaffney

Regardless of any other concerns at WP:ANI, please do not re-introduce the Jewish-American category into this article without sourcing it. I'm sure you realise that you should not be doing this. Thanks, ELIMINATORJR 16:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

• I apologise if I sounded like I was accusing you of introducing the item first, and it is indeed a revert, however when reverting you need to ensure you are not re-introducing unsourced material, especially on a biography of living persons. ELIMINATORJR 22:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Art of Zimbabwe

Yes, I probably should have checked and fixed the link rather than just reverting -- that was lazy of me. Sorry about that. thanks for the note! bikeable (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

My comment about RfC

I was not referring to the check user request. I was recommending that you file an RfC on the dispute with Alice S. I felt--and still feel--that this would illuminate for you that you were in the wrong in this case. You were behaved uncivilly toward her and others in both the Gaffney and the Tolekau AN/I threads. That was my only reason for recommending an RfC to you: I wanted you to be able to solicit outside opinions on your conduct during the disputes. As things appear to have calmed now, I do hope you will not continue to reintroduce unsourced material per WP:BLP, and that you will refrain from attacking other users as you did on the AN/I. I'm certain you have much to offer the project, and I'm glad things have calmed down. Regards, K. Scott Bailey 03:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Apology

I would like to apologise unreservedly if I have caused you any stress or embarrassment.

I am very new here and I was insensitive in not adequately realising that you might take offence at my presumption in editing articles to which you had already made valuable and long-term improvements.

Please feel free to sound-off at me by e-mail in future if I put a step wrong - you're a much more experienced editor than I and I'm sure that you can teach me a lot. You know what they say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and on that assessment I'm really scary!

I've also apologised here but on re-reading that edit again, it sounds a bit havering and grudging.

If that apology is not sufficient please e-mail me what you would like me to write and I'll re-do it.

Sorry again! Alice.S 21:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Frank Gaffney

I had read a comment placed by another user which stated that he was, and I had always suspected it to be the case given his commentaries on certain issues (he is a writer for the Jewish World Review). However he does not widely publicize it and I'm unable to find a link for sure, aside from certain forums which mention that he is. So in retrospect this may be an error; even if it is not it seems to be against Misplaced Pages policy. BogdanM02 02:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Your reply

No, I do not think that you are stupid, but your immediate assumption that I am trying to bait you, rather than raise real concerns about how you interact with other editors, is an excellent illustration of the problem. Please step back and think about how your edits and edit summaries appear to others. Tim Vickers 03:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a good way of responding to criticism, your needlessly confrontational and aggressive attitude is unacceptable. Tim Vickers 03:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you think edit summaries such as this are acceptable?

November 2007

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): There was no incivility that I can see, and TimVickers should not have made that block. Request handled by: Kwsn (Ni!) 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Friendly advice

Hi again. I really think you should let this one go. This is highly unlikely to achieve anything. I have left similar advice on Alice's talk page. Please just move on and get on with something else. If there are specific concerns about the article, post them to article talk and I can have a look at them. --John 20:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

How am I supposed to do that when she follows me to every page I edit? Perspicacite 00:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Some people are smart enough to get the hint, and to realise that when their rudeness and aggression has brought the attention of multiple admins, they had best be on their very best behaviour. Some people are less smart and choose to indulge themselves in further grandstanding and personalising of the issue. Which kind are you, I wonder? I'd just point out that it is the latter kind that tends to get banned. Take care, Guy (Help!) 00:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Why did you remove Penwhale's comments? Perspicacite 04:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Violations of our WP:TALK#Behavior that is unacceptable guidelines

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Alice.S 11:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Past activities

You have just added this to your user page: "Currently I am working on getting Angolan Civil War to Featured Article status. After that I will attempt an utterly insane request for adminship, revealing my past activities and probably getting banned. Cheerio, Perspicacite 11:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)"

Are you talking about off-Misplaced Pages activities, or keeping a "clean talk page"?

If the latter, I have reconstructed what your talk page would look like it if you had not deleted the various comments. Just message me if you would like to add the link.

Good luck with your bid for admin status; I would certainly watch it with interest.

The first question I would pose would be: Which if any of our policies and guidelines do you think need modifying and how? Alice.S 12:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Dearest Perspicacite,
Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed successfully with 137 supports, 22 opposes, and 5 neutrals. Your kind words of support are very much appreciated and I look forward to proving you right. I would like to give special thanks to The_undertow and Phoenix-wiki for their co-nominations. Thank you again and best regards.

Marcus Trescothick

Thanks for the support, if you ever need help with Angolan Civil War let me know! Military History is my thing. SGGH 21:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Logical punctuation

Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks Tony (talk) 12:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

My grandstanding; pros and cons

I dunno... I guess I can see your point here, but I rather enjoy grandstanding. One thing that still remains unclear to me though is why you felt a need to delete Penwhale's comment, which expressed a rather high level of annoyance with my posts. Perspicacite 12:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• You were in a hole and still digging. I took the spade away. Guy (Help!) 12:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I like my spade. What are you doing with Alice.S??? Dont you go giving her ideas! I finally found someone so obsessed with me they feel a need to create an identical, duplicate copy of my archive. I love it. Perspicacite 12:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not MySpace. The encyclopaedia is thataway → Guy (Help!) 12:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Pssh first you take my spade and now you want my haters. Will nothing satisfy you?!? Perspicacite 12:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

No. I am an evil rouge admin. I thought this was common knowledge? Guy (Help!) 12:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• On a more serious note, I would remind you the last time you tried to have me banned CBDunkerson came very close to, if not succeeding in, pwning you in Arbcom. Perspicacite 12:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• Any time you want to stop trolling my talk page is fine by me. Guy (Help!) 12:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Points of information:

1. I am becoming a bit obsessed with protecting our project from those who are not simple vandals but misuse their intelligence and education to drive away and corrupt good contributions - if that doesn't sound too pompous.
2. As of now, my user space page, is not an "identical, duplicate copy of (your) archive". It currently has 101 sections (not including this one - which never appeared on your talk page, and it also excludes the four opening sections {which are not relevant to your original allegations of Wikistalking}) whereas your own (mysteriously?) only has 95 (again, excluding this one). Additionally, there will always be a certain time lag.
3. My fond hope is that, when your civility improves and your destructive reverts and edit warring ceases, we will be able to forgo sanctions and ArbComs and the like and I can stop maintaining it as possible future evidence and concentrate on improving articles.

While I am here, may I formally ask you to move this whole sub-section to your talk page (and then, perhaps, delete it) so that I can add it to my "imperfect mirror"?

PS: I must say that you both give every indication of being better sports than I imagined "heavyweight class" Wikipedians would be.Alice.S 00:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)