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Looking to post a few pictures

I took a few more pictures of my own collection of several items that have articles on Misplaced Pages. All my own original GFDL-self work. Can I post them this weekend? Mathewignash (talk) 03:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

ok. – Steel 14:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Two of my old uploaded pictures have missing rational. Can I add them? Mathewignash (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I just deleted a few images that BetacommandBot was complaining about but the others should be fine with a rationale, yeah. – Steel 00:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

DEAR!......

We shall have an open speech about your "style" of moderation. Meanwhile try to stay out of me and my questions because you are UNFIT for this task. I' have no time to point out your BIASED actions in recent days. You have openly recognized that you have believed in comments of user of the level of ... Kubura!. I will tell where and why you are wrong. Meanwhile stay away from me!!!! ... and provide me some DECENT reasons for your recent actions!!! I'm quite angry, if you have not understood! ----

We can have a conversation if you want. The first question you can answer is why you are removing other users' comments as personal attacks yet making a number of attacks yourself. WP:KETTLE, much? – Steel 14:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You have a double vision even for the "attacks", concerned on my small points, and ignoring Croatian STONES. Try a better reply, and answer my question. Now I really stop! ... I suggest you to STOP with my question, the disasters you committed in recent days are enough. Regards.Giovanni Giove (talk) 14:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

PS provide to revert this on your own; you have missed it!

I'm more calm now. It is possible to talk I suppose. You did not acted in good faith, and you have recognized this. You did the last block with no real reasons, and just because you have labelled as the "bad guy", because of the complains of several Croatian users (and most of all Kubura!!!!!). For now I just want to tell you that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, and one idea is not wrong because several users do not like it. You did an error, and you must recognise it. Regards.--Giovanni Giove (talk) 11:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Just for the sake of anyone else reading this, I do not concede the following points: that I didn't act in good faith, that my last block of Giovanni was without merit, that I am unfairly labeling him the "bad guy", and that I "did an error" here somewhere. – Steel 16:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

An undefinite block for 2 (supposed!) reverts and an alleged "personal attack", after months of *received* attacks? Is this correct? Did you wrote or not that you trusted in the several complains against me, by several Croatian users?--Giovanni Giove (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I apologise for not checking Kubura's links myself before bringing them up in a discussion. Sorry about that. But Kubura's links were only incidental to the point I made on ANI and I stand by my block which was for a violation of the ArbCom parole, a clear personal attack and months of prior edit warring. – Steel 17:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for supporting me! Please find your thank you card here, should you wish to see it. I'm honored to have received your support. And btw, LOVE the userpage kitteh! :P All the best, ~Eliz81 02:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

WWOR Gallery

You delete the images? That's how you settle something? You "claim" they are orphans and then you delete them with no consensus and no discussion? I am pretty sure you just broke a couple rules there. I will watch yourself. - NeutralHomer 18:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You do realise that fair use galleries like that are prohibted by WP:NFCC and it's not just some random "policy of AMIB", right? – Steel 20:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

...and you do realize that is a real gray area in the NFC rules, right? AMIB made it his policy to go through and delete all the galleries (on TV and Radio stations only) without discussion or consensus. He didn't do it on any other section, hence it was his policy. Probably the beginning of the downfall of WP:TVS and WP:WPRS.

But deleting the images, without moving them into other sections of the article, without discussion, is silly and is wrong. - NeutralHomer 11:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Refreshing/adding info

Hi, Steel.
I don't want to mess with Arbitration page, but maybe you, as admin, can do that.
Recently, user Giovanni Giove got few blocks.
First one, by you, on 17:02, 16 November 2007 (expiry time of indefinite, because of repeated violation restriction, personal attacks, length block log).
Then, that very night, 02:10, 17 November 2007, Thatcher131 abolished Giove from indefinite to 2 days. Just like that.
I've gave him criticism (on his talkpage) regarding his unneutral attitude (e.g., he started an RFCU with me in question, but not regarding Giove - although there're suspicious accounts, like Cherso, RomanoDD, London321, or their connection with NovaNova; see previous RFCU's about Giove) and superficious approach (Thatcher took "a concert of Cro-users" as a "relief fact" for Giove that made Giove violate 3RR, although Giove violated 3RR rule only when he was intensively edit warring with Afrika paprika's accounts;but, he did intensively reverted the article Jakov Mikalja, ignoring the talkpage from 9 July-6 Nov, almost 4 months, 119 days in such heated topic).
Here's Giove's block log .
However, no data about that on WP:RFARB/Dalmatia in section "Log of blocks and bans". No log refreshing.
Someone should do that. Can I do it, or it must be done by admin? If the latter is the case, can you do it? Greetings, Kubura (talk) 11:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Steel.
Have you forgotten my question? Bye, Kubura (talk) 10:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Er, blocks being logged? Probably, I guess. I'd do it now but I'm in a rush. – Steel 15:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of the talk

Hi, Steel.
26 Nov 2007, 11:05, user Giovanni Giove deleted whole section on the Talk:Jakov Mikalja, with comment "usual accuses and personal attacks".
In that deleted section I've explained why I find one of his edits as badintentional (that edit was unexplained, as opposed to RFARB decisions, and was made after RFARB/Dalmatia) .
Instead of explaining of his edit, he deleted that section.
Sincerely, Kubura (talk) 15:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I meant to restore that text yesterday but clearly I forgot. I see you've done it now. – Steel 15:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Please undelete Zaft2.jpeg

That image is the subject of an ongoing content dispute and has been repeatedly had a tag causing it to be automatically deleted added to it by User:GundamsRus. Jtrainor (talk) 18:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Addendum to my good friend, I believe you've gotten your images mixed up... is the one listed as possibly unfree, which upon retrospect it is (images that have been branded by their creator can't be released under that license, so it's fair use now). Zaft and Rengo have disputed fair use rationales due to GundamsRus' WP:POINT campaign against us, and discussion on the matter has basically boiled down to "it's necessary" "it's not necessary" "it's necessary" "it's not necessary" for the past few weeks. Ergo I see no reason why those two should be deleted, especially since even if you were going to side with GundamsRus' contested point of view, the contested fair use did not apply to all articles it was being used in. Thanks. MalikCarr (talk) 20:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What it boils down to is this: as we all know, Misplaced Pages errs on the side of caution with fair use and copyright-related issues. The fair use of the two images I deleted had been disputed for weeks without any kind of resolution, so in the absense of agreement that a fair use claim would be justified, they were deleted. As usual the onus is on those who want to include the content to establish that it is suitable for inclusion, not the other way round. The second issue was that, rather unsurprisingly, people were edit warring over the images, and had I not deleted the images my action would have been to block both Jtrainor and GundamRus for a good length of time. Deleting the images addressed the copyright concern and stopped the edit warring in a way that avoided me having to dish out blocks. A win-win situation, surely? – Steel 23:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ - it's only a win situation for the parties who do not believe the image should be kept. In any case, the "onus" was provided, and it was disregarded by the opposition party (negotiating with GundamsRus (talk · contribs) is near impossible in some circumstances). How is it at all helpful to precedent to say that a disputed template, with an editor that will continue to revert it to an image indefinitely, is a good indication that an image should go? MalikCarr (talk) 08:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't find the justification that the image met WP:NFCC. Can you link me to it? The history is full of edit war and there's not much on the talk page. Anyway, your comment is interesting because it can be flipped on its head and still be accurate. Negotiating with Jtrainor and MalikCarr is near impossible in some circumstances. Why should a problem image stay indefinitely because the deletion tag is constantly being reverted off the page? – Steel 15:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

personal attack

In talk:Istrian exodus DIREKTOR accuses of sockpuppetry Giovanni Giove and me then reverts editing against you too: is this action against you, me and Giovanni Giove personal attack? I think yes!!!! Leo, 28 nov 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.67.85.5 (talk) 13:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well it's not a personal attack but I would much rather everyone discussed the article's content on the talk page than have edit wars on it... – Steel 16:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Transgender edit

I'll try to get a source to quote, I'm pretty sure with the Transgender Day of Rememberance there is something quite similar, will deal with this later as I'm off for a bit. Benjiboi 04:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright. – Steel 15:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Do not act in this way

You have no right to restore uncivil edits and personal attack posted in the discussion pages!!! Concern in the poor behaviour of the user!! --Giovanni Giove 15:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

They are borderline incivil at worst and no worse than some of the comments you've made recently. – Steel 15:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

FALSE. They are offensive. And I never did such comments! You do not act in a neutral way!--Giovanni Giove 15:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)