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SatyrTN

Voice your opinion (talk page) (32/4/3); Scheduled to end 15:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

SatyrTN (talk · contribs) - This user has been around for a long time, since 21 July 2003, or four years, and four months, and has ammased over 24,000 non-deleted edits, and is a good participant all over Misplaced Pages, and he has over 9,400 mainspace edits, which is great for everyone. He works extremely hard for certain WikiProjects, like Misplaced Pages:WikiProject LGBT studies, and WP:BOTREQ, helping out everywhere. He even runs a bot, SatyrBot, which shows that he is trusted in that respect. And check this out! Thats twelve of them, which is more than other admins have, something to be proud of. He is also extremely helpul, and would not turn away the opportunity to help a user. <DREAMAFTER> 00:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I accept this nomination. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: I've noticed that closing FLCs is taking almost a month lately, so I think that needs some attention. Recently I posted to WP:Page Protection that there were a significant number of pages that had been protected before expiration dates were possible, some have been left that way for a year, so RPP and un-RPP interest me. And of course AfD always seem to need help, though I may not run through that much.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: I'm very proud of the five Featured Lists of LGBT people that I've shepherded through: Sa-Sc, Sd-Si, Sj-Sz, T-V, and W-Z. I've learned a lot about sourcing, BLP, even a little about copyvio issues. The reason I bring that up here is because the entire process was often more like plodding - being extremely thorough, working with other editors, cleaning up as you go along. That's the kind of editing I seem to be good at - give me a long backlog and I'll work my way through it.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Any editor that's been working on articles gets into conflicts, IMHO. And when the topic is seen as "controversial" by some, they're guaranteed. I've been working on LGBT issues and people for the past year+, so I've run in to some editors with strong viewpoints. I've found that the best way for me to react to stress and/or conflicts is to state my position clearly and concisely. If I get a response that continues to cause me stress, I walk away from the article and come back later. Usually reviewing the subject (most often biographies in these cases) and requesting third & fourth party opinions will help clarify to me and other editors. If that *still* doesn't work, I "back-burner" the subject, which means I'll continue to do research and watch the article, but unless I turn up anything new, I leave it alone.

The most stressful I've gotten in my wikitime was when an editor continued to harass me on my talk page about an article. I'm lucky enough to have several wikifriends that saw my stress levels rising and stepped in to calm me down and help me out.

Optional question from Epbr123

4. One of the userboxes on your userpage states that you hold an inclusionist philosophy. How do you think this will affect your judgement when closing AfD discussions? Epbr123 16:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

A: My inclusionism (tempered by my Darwikinism, also on my user page) will probably affect AfD closures a little bit. I'm a bit opposed to nominations like Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sexuality in Star Trek, where the nom seems to have done so because the article needs work. In my opinion, that's what cleanup tags are for, not AfD. But I won't keep an article based on my opinions - consensus should determine an article's fate. SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from ChazBeckett

5. In this edit you referred to reverts in a content dispute as "reverting vandalism. Could you explain your reasoning? How do you define vandalism? Chaz 16:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

A: Removing properly sourced information from a reliable source would seem to constitute vandalism (though I can think of instances when it would be appropriate). Vandalism is the addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages, per policy. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

A: I'm revising my answer in response to the discussion below and to persistent misunderstandings, both on my part and on others'.

As per Misplaced Pages policy, vandalism is the addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages.

A single recent event of my calling someone's edit to an article "vandalism" on my talk page was wrong, and for that I'm sorry. I made the comment to console a friend on my own talk page and did not intend to offend any of the editors involved.

Content disputes are best hashed out on the article's talk page and by consensus. My initial response was made specifically about the situation, not about policy. It was made without thoroughly investigating the situation, so I'm sorry for any incorrect statements. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

General comments

• See SatyrTN's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

• Links for SatyrTN: SatyrTN (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/SatyrTN before commenting.

Discussion

Support

1. Support. SatyrTN was one of the first editors I interacted with on Misplaced Pages. He was extremely helpful and welcoming. Indeed his interactions with other users appear to me always to be friendly and courteous. His work on LGBT related articles involves him in a lot of BLP work and in ensuring that controversial information is well sourced. He has done great work in ensuring that articles in Category:LGBT people for example do contain reliable sourcing that confirms the subject belongs in that category. Satyr also contributes intelligently to AfD debates and follows the development of discussions, returning to comment further when appropriate. I belive he would make a good administrator. WjBscribe 15:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
2. Support - I know many wonderful editors here, but SatyrTN above all would make an excellent admin. He is helpful, reliable, and incredibly gifted at communicating. His contributions here have improved Misplaced Pages tremendously. I can support him without any reservations, and know he can be trusted to use the tools correctly. Thanks for taking this on, SatyrTN! Jeffpw 15:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
3. Support as nom, dang, I only got third, I must be loosing my touch... <DREAMAFTER> 15:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
4. Support. While I've never had any direct interaction with SatyrTN, I see his name very often. Each time, I had the impression that he was already an administrator based on how he conducted himself. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
5. Support Yeah, looks good to me. Good luck! GlassCobra 16:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
6. Support. SatyrTN was the first person to welcome me to WP and to WProject LGBT Studies. He's been a guiding hand for me and has always been there to answer any questions I've had. While we have disagreed on a few things (mostly AfD opinions), he's always been gracious and has made me see the "other side" in different discussions. -- ALLSTARecho 16:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
7. Support Epbr123 16:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
8. Support. Won't abuse the tools. Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 16:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
9. Support I am not going to make the cliché addition about thinking this user was already an admin, but s/he certainly should be. A good editor, wide experience, long-term membership, no problem. --Anthony.bradbury 16:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
10. Support. I would appreciate a slightly shorter signature for both the nom (<span style="font-family:copperplate gothic light"><tt><]><sup><]></sup></tt></span>) and the candidate (-- <span style="background-color: #EECCFF;">]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] | ])</span></span>). — But that's of course a very minor issue and everything else seems ok. I dorftrottel I talk I 16:34, December 2, 2007

    Yeah, SatyrTN's sig could get shrunk a bit... I'm leaving him a message on his talk page with new code (since it's largely irrelevant for here). EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

11. Support. Oh yeah! :D Great user, _very_ involved with the project, he should have become an admin long ago. Brilliant work with the lists of LGBT people (huge knowledge of BLP issues and about hunting for valid sources), resulting in several featured lists. And he's a very nice, amiable fellow (we could use less wikidrama in our admins, methinks). And the tools would help him with all the maintenance he does around the wiki. No brainer folks, he'll make a very fine admin. ;) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
12. Support. Considering the stuff most admins do with their rollback buttons... RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 17:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
13. Support. OH MY FUCKING GOD YES YES YES Satyr is undoubtedly one of the most dedicated hard-working editors on Misplaced Pages. He has put his IT skills to work here, producing bots, scripts and programs right left and centre for the service of other Wikipedians, especially me, which I love him for (:D). He is unfailingly courteous, helpful and industrious - the gargantuan List of LGB people has been mostly compiled by him working every day for a year, and we have still only reached R. Satyr has always thoroughly read policies before quoting them or acting within their remits, and with his lengthy term on Misplaced Pages has a great deal of experience and insight to bring to the role of admin. This nom has not come soon enough. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    Hmmm. While I admire your enthusiasm, adminship is not a reward :). Dlohcierekim 18:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    Yes it is. To make Satyr an admin would be a great reward for Misplaced Pages. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 02:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

14. Support tempered by a caution. While I agree, nom should be careful about the edit dispute vs vandalism call, does not state 3RR or AIV as choice areas. Appears ready for the tools in areas for which requested. Just be careful, please. Dlohcierekim 18:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
15. Support - I haven't seen anything to give me great caution. Experienced editor should do fine with the tools. Lara❤Love 19:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
16. Support - Satyr works extremely hard here at Misplaced Pages, is familiar with the policies and guidelines, works well with others in forming consensus and fixing problems that may crop up. I think he would be a fair arbiter as an admin. Aleta 19:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
17. Support excellent work here and seems familiar with Misplaced Pages. One incident of calling something vandalism that may not have been, seems to have learned from that mistake -- not that big of a deal. Shell 20:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
18. Surprised support Cliche #1, I thought the user was one since I first arrived here. Never bothered to check the rights log because I just assumed... Keegan 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 21:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC) boldly striking as this appears to be an imposter. Dlohcierekim 22:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    I don't understand: the user's page, talk page, and contibutions all look (at a glance) legitimate. What makes you think otherwise? Aleta 22:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    Check the page history , not the fake signature. WjBscribe 22:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    (ec)Aleta, if you look in the history, the contributor's ID and the name on this page do not match. I know there are some admins with redlink userpages, but none with redlink talk pages. Jeffpw 22:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    OK, now I see. Thanks WJB & Jeff! Man, someone's got to be really bored to want to try to pull crap like that. :( Aleta 22:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

    To clarify, I did not make the above edit. I am currently on a hunt to find the person who did it. There will be banhammers ringing well into the night. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 00:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

    It would really be helpful to include the diff when performing such an action, to prevent confusion among less experienced users. And folks: Always indent your comments in these sections with a leading #. I dorftrottel I talk I 22:14, December 2, 2007

19. Support I've always found SatyrTN to be an extremely helpful editor, and I have no doubt he'll use the admin tools wisely. I see no chance for abuse here, and completely trust SatyrTN's judgment to effectively enforce our policies. - auburnpilot talk 22:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
20. Weak Support - per comments by Dlohcierekim. PookeyMaster 00:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
21. Support No major concerns here. --Siva1979 03:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
22. Support Good to see an admin candidate who doesn't want to machine gun every article he sees. The rumpus detailed below seems an isolated mistake which he has learned from. Nick mallory 05:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
23. Support. --- tqbf 05:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
24. Support. Just be sure to stick to your revised definition of vandalism. :P Other than that, seems like an excellent editor. Master of Puppets 06:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
25. Support. Has always been willing to offer insight and support and shown a true interest in improving Misplaced Pages. Benjiboi 09:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
26. Support, has done an immense amount of work for the project. I'm unswayed by the objections - if anyone can do 24,000 edits without snapping at someone I'd like to see it! --Stormie 11:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
27. Support. I have a positive impression from previous contacts. The "vandalism" comment was unfortunate, but SatyrTN has apologized for it, and I take that as a satisfactory resolution. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
28. Support, definitely! Neil ☎ 14:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
29. Support. Notwithstanding the error discussed by the opposers, I think this user will do just fine with the tools. He has proved helpful to various projects with his bot and he seems to know his way around. - JodyB _talk 15:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
30. Support - The Transhumanist 16:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
31. Support absolutely. The Rambling Man 16:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
32. Support, I think adminship has a lot to do with trust and I know very few wikipedians who are as reliable as SatyrTN and i think we can put a lot of trust in him. As for the confusion about the vandalism comment in the questions above, I think that everyone makes mistakes and it is the wikipedians who accept these mistakes that make good admins. He has spent a lot of time working for the improvement of wikipedia and I think adminship powers will give him the ability to help the project even more. Pi 17:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)