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Kazakhstan pictures

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Lawrence Shulman

If you are still around, the article needs some improvements. DGG 23:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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Please also read WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT#LINK regarding your recent edits. --Ronz 18:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. Those links are useful in related contexts.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
The issue here is not if the links are useful, but if there's a WP:COI. --Ronz 19:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Discussion started at Talk:Qualitative_research#Stustu12.27s_external_links.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"Controversy"

Copied from Talk:Qualitative research: "As a fairly inexperienced wikipedian, I can assure you this 'controversy' is a deterrent to future engagement. My real curiosity is why the other external links are considered legitimate? User:stustu12 —Preceding comment was added at 02:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)"

I've copied your comments to here for a more private discussion than would happen on the article talk page. I hope you don't mind.
First I'm very sorry how this situation has evolved. For me this started as just a very simple and straightforward case of spamming with a conflict of interest. Piotrus intervened for you without understanding the issues at all in a manner that's potentially embarrassing for you (and him).
I think Wp:spam#How_not_to_be_a_spammer pretty clearly explains the situation. My concern has nothing to do with the quality of the links, but how you added them. Piotrus apparently doesn't understand this.
As far as my dispute with you is concerned, that's about all there is to it. I'm happy to explain the situation further, answer your questions, or point out good ways to get others involved to help. I recommend you follow the suggestions in WP:COI closely, especially in using the talk pages when you want information added where you have a coi.
As for Piotrus, because he's persisting in claiming these problems do not exist, I feel it's best if I take his complaints to a forum where they'll be handled by experts in these matters. I don't think you need to be involved, though others will probably ask for your response to the suggestions in WP:COI. --Ronz (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Ronz: You are certainly strident. is it Wikipedian philosophy to scorn all compromise in this manner? Please cite the page source for this if so. Are all Misplaced Pages rules clearcut? If so, please site the page that states the rules are not subject to interpretation, discussion and collaborative problem-solving. Is COI the most clearcut of all wikipedia guidelines, or is there some debate about this? Finally, your history of interactions with 'violators' is anything but cordial; it has an unmistakably imperious tone. Please cite the Misplaced Pages guideline or principle that enables you to adopt this tone with impunity. Frankly, you give the collaborative enterprise an awkward and offputting feel by behaving like a general before his troops instead of a peer in a great collaborative effort. User:Stustu12 5 December 2007

I'm sorry that you've responded in such a way. I've moved your comments here for discussion. In general, I ask that comments on my talk page follow WP:TALK.
I've taken a great deal of time to explain the situation to you, and to differentiate what you've done with what Piotrus has done. If you're unhappy with it, then it's time to get others involved. --Ronz (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Ronz, I did remind you earlier about WP:AGF and WP:BITE. As the saying goes, you reap what you have saw. Now, both of you, please take some time for WP:TEA. There is no need to continue this any further (per WP:COOL and WP:MASTODONS and so on). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
And I've taken the issue to Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:Stustu12. --Ronz (talk) 23:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I've also started a discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Need_additional_opinions_for_spam.2Fcoi_case --Ronz (talk) 00:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi. Your contributions have caused some controversy, because you might have gone a bit beyond the rules. I know you acted in good faith. Also, personally, I believe the links you provided are very valuable. Perhaps putting a couple simultaneously was not the best idea, but I understand you're new to Misplaced Pages (gosh, you don't want to know what mistakes I did when I was a beginner!). Don't get deterred by this "controversy" and please, do contribute to Wiki - it is becoming the supreme global encyclopedia thanks to the experienced users like you! Do remember, though, that you need to follow the Misplaced Pages rules - they are meant to protect Misplaced Pages from advertising and promoting particular products, and some users are more sensible to these rules than others. I'm sure you'll be able to make quality contributions without a problem once you learn about the policies! Pundit|utter 01:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I am sure you will be glad to know that at least five users have so far ended up supporting your side. While we should be careful to follow up COI/SPAM/EL policies (and I would highly advise taking one's time to read them), rest assured than we welcome contributions from scholars like yourself. Hope to see you around, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Journal of Information Technology & Politics

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I'd suggest userfying the page until such time it is published and becomes notable.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)