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December 2007

		Pain in the Ass Star
		For consistently being a pain in the ass. Providing quality edit-wars for Fascists throughout Misplaced Pages. December 2007

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Please do not delete content from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Moneybomb, without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox for test edits. Thank you. — HelloAnnyong 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I noticed you're not using any citation templates when you reference articles. In the future, please use the citation templates listed at WP:CIT. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong 22:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Moneybomb. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. — HelloAnnyong 23:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Tea Party amount

Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I'm a giant Paul fan myself, but you'll notice there are a lot of folks who will hold you to strict neutrality here, so be careful. It is my understanding the campaign announced $6.0 million actually raised even though the widget went up $6.4 million in the 24 hours. The $.4 million in offline receipts was not necessarily received on 11/16, and (being a Sunday) probably wasn't, given the campaign's statement; we have no source that it was in fact received 11/16 (HNN does not address this, relying only on the widget number). While we have sources for both $6.0 and $6.4, we should either state it as a conflict, or resolve the conflict unarguably. IMHO the evidence favors sticking with the $6.0, but if you want to use some neutral wording like "between $6 million and $6.4 million", that'd work with the sources cited. But we may not favor one number in the light of a conflicting number without resolving the conflict. Anyway, as a new editor, you would do very well for yourself to demonstrate your neutrality by picking some compromise version (or going right back to the $6.0) before someone else does. Trust me, that's a lot better than trying to defend a pro-Paul edit in the face of conflicting sources. I'll wait to see how you handle it, but I might step in tomorrow if nothing happens. Thanks! John J. Bulten (talk) 22:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm serious, they will come after you if you keep it up, it will not help the "improvement of Misplaced Pages" to fight this battle on the article page itself. Your Ambinder source says $6.6 million, not $6.4 or $6.0. When you have conflicting numbers, don't insist on one of them without talking it out or demonstrating unarguable proof. Obviously only one of them is correct, and we cannot presume on which one without consensus. But "over $6 million" is correct regardless. I would strongly encourage you not to fight this particular battle and instead learn useful stuff like Template:cite news instead. It would greatly help your reputation to think of a neutral way of accomplishing your goal and revert yourself accordingly. Thanks. John J. Bulten (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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First Warning re Moneybomb

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Opinion on Moneybomb

I dislike editing any political articles because it usually ends up very badly. In this case, I don't mind contributing with a neutral point of view as it does help. No problem! Monsieurdl 19:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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Adding references

Duchamps, you need to start paying attention to your referencing. This is at least the third time I've had to clean up your mess. When you add references to something, cite them properly. And if the article is already referenced in the page, just create another link to it rather than adding another ref tag. — HelloAnnyong 01:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ron Paul Revolution

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ron Paul Revolution, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ron Paul Revolution. Thank you. --BJBot (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: AfD - Ron Paul Revolution

Thanks for letting me know. That article is a close call, but I think we should err on the side of caution for now and keep it, as I don't think we've ever seen anything as large and organized at the grassroots level as the Ron Paul campaign. And to think that we were amazed how well Howard Dean could use the Internet for campaigning back in 2004! --smileyborg (talk) 10:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Enasni (talk) 02:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, Duchamps. I hadn't seen the article but had edited related ones. Now that I see it I like it. I voted to keep it. Korky Day (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Ron Paul presidential campaign, 2008‎

Please do not delete content from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Talk:Ron Paul presidential campaign, 2008‎, without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox for test edits. Thank you. — HelloAnnyong 17:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

--What an Asshat...--Duchamps comb (talk)

Please read WP:CANVASS

One way to keep people from accusing you of canvassing to stack discussions is to make sure you notify people you know disagree with you. In the case of the Revolution AfD, which seems to be headed to "delete", you informed only editors you knew to be Ron Paul advocates.

I don't really care; AfD's aren't votes. But I thought you should know, it's pretty easy to tell what you're doing.

--- tqbf 03:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That's not true- I am not anywhere close to being a Ron Paul supporter, and he contacted me just to take a look at it without any sort of impropriety, which I did. Monsieurdl

18:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

He only contacted people who had (a) edited Paul content and (b) hadn't added negative material about Paul. I'm sorry that I suggested you were a Paul supporter; I don't blame you for being irritated by that. --- tqbf 18:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

tqbf, that's not true. I did contact people who edited on ron paul's page (as I have already said) without knowing how they feel, to open up the Discussion. I am new here (this place is not like myspace) I contacted Monsieur because I bumped into him/her on another page, (and he/she seems to give unbiased feedack) as well seem to be rather pleasant, unlike other DUMB FUCKS like you running around here on some sort of power trip. -Keep your small-mindedness-idiocy off of my page...--Duchamps_comb

Nice. --- tqbf 05:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. But I only contacted people who edited Ron Paul's page. I have no way of knowing if they are pro or con. Or as to their political views.--Duchamps comb (talk) 04:12, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

With regard to your comment above:

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. — HelloAnnyong 05:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

--- tqbf and HelloAnnyong you both only reveal what YOU really are, "Cyber-bullies" who are weak-minded (and probably obese) that have nothing better to do but mess with the "new kid." On some sort of self-aggrandizing-power-trip deleting new articles, sending warning messages and being very Anti-Ron Paul. -I suggest just leaving me ALONE!

Burned! --- tqbf 06:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Moneybomb Conspiracy?

To: — HelloAnnyong

Yeah, I saw that go by on my watchlist, but haven't had a chance to dig into it yet. I agree with you that it's getting tiring, fighting the POV-warriors there. My guess is that the increased activity is because of the weekend fundraiser. I'll try to take a look later. No matter what though, we can still wait them out, which is what I did last time. In a couple days when activity decreases, we can go in and re-neutralize the article without much fuss.  :) --Elonka 22:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

To:--- tqbf

Hey. Just wanted to give you a heads-up that I've listed Moneybomb for RfC. — HelloAnnyong 16:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I responded, but I'm going to try to disentangle myself from this article as well. --- tqbf 21:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

To: --- tqbf

I'm not sure about that. It's certainly big with the Paul community, and this may be WP:COATRACK. But we've been down the avenue of deleting it, and it came to no consensus. I think you'd hit the same with a move. — HelloAnnyong 01:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC) + +

To:--Elonka

Hey Elonka. I know you were active on the Moneybomb page awhile ago, so I could use some help. A single-purpose account has been editing/hacking/butchering the article I'm trying to assume good faith, but the page is a mess now. I reverted it twice today already, but the page could use some help. Could you take a look at it and try to work out the kinks - or failing that, give me some advice on how to proceed? Thanks! — HelloAnnyong 22:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

White supremacist part

I think you are wrong on the addition of the USA Today article regarding Black's donation and it being kept by Ron Paul. It is from a perfectly legitimate source, and I see no POV problems. Monsieurdl 18:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with, "Paul keeps white supremacist donation", USA Today, 2007-12-20 www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-20-Paul-donation_N.htm

If you digg back far enough I even added to the criticism section. I take issue with “unknown users” statements: “It is a well known fact that white supremacists- including the KKK and David Duke- support Ron Paul.” and to imply “he's on good terms with hate groups? “ --Duchamps comb (talk)

I didn't see the part you were talking about- that sounds to me like vandalism that should have been removed ages ago... I'm sure it wasn't an intentional keep. Monsieurdl

19:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Ron Paul presidential campaign, 2008‎ It is in the talk page.--Duchamps comb (talk)