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John F. Sandner

I seem to have been mistaken about his notability. However, that article is linkless and un-wikified, so I shall leave those tags there. Good luck finishing it, and happy wikipedia-ing. Cornell Rockey 05:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a copyright violation, it seemed like there might be a copyvio so I picked a phrase out of the Misplaced Pages article at random and there was only one single result returned, and it was from the ClickCommerce website. Citing the article does not give "permission" to copy long phrases from a company's website. Quatloo 14:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I am fixing on the temp page. Do you find any of that problematic?--Samiharris 14:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand that some copyright violations are unintentional. Flagging an article as a copyright violation isn't a personal attack, it is just pointing out something that has to be fixed. I hope you didn't see it as anything personal. As to your other question, no, I am not an administrator. Quatloo 14:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I certainly take no umbrage as to your pointing this out. I am comparatively new and still learning the ropes.--Samiharris

Naked short selling

What is your opinion of this edit? --Mantanmoreland 00:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

That is a link to an anonymous website showing a very partisan and biased approached to the issue that does not meet Misplaced Pages standards as I understand them.--Samiharris 15:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Or these?

The words "undue weight" come to mind, and also there is another source that could be used, as well as WP:BLP issues.--Mantanmoreland 13:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Good catch on the error in the quote of a Times article. I hadn't noticed that. Some editors are so intent on pushing an agenda that they forget WP:BLP. --Mantanmoreland 19:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Blogs

Sami, I just saw your comment about not using the Weiss blog. This is just to let you know that you are allowed to use Weiss's blog as a source in his own BLP, although it can't be used to discuss third-parties. But it can be used as a source of information on Weiss and his interests, career, and so on. See the section on self-published sources in WP:V. SlimVirgin 19:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

This edit

Was this intended to be a section edit? I assume it was an unintentional booboo. Not sure what happened so I just reverted.--Mantanmoreland 00:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

It was a cut and paste gone haywire. Very sorry for my dumb mistake.--Samiharris 00:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Dealbreaker.com

I've nominated Dealbreaker.com, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Dealbreaker.com satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and the Misplaced Pages deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dealbreaker.com and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Dealbreaker.com during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.—greenrd 02:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hedge fund

"ten percent is correct" -- sad, isn't it? 8-) Servalo 20:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Unrestricted Warfare (book)

Since you are an expert in military history, I wonder if you might have an opinion as to the article on this book. Is being used as a truncheon to beat up on George Soros, but apart from that I wonder if the book is sufficiently notable as to warrant its own article. I am suspicious by the lack of a prominent publisher, and the sensationalist claims being made. --Samiharris 16:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

My area of knowledge is World War II, specifically the Pacific War but I checked around to see what I could find out about this book. After looking at some online forums it appears that the book is a real book written by two Chinese military officers. The US government appears to have translated the book and made it freely available to whoever wants to read it. I think it's ok to be used as a source for information for an article, but it should be pointed out whenever it's used that it's one single source of opinion. It may or may not be notable enough for its own article in Misplaced Pages. The article as is currently doesn't have enough sources to support it, so, if you wanted to nominate it for AfD for that reason, it might stand a fair chance of being deleted, especially if you explain in your rationale paragraph that there aren't enough secondary sources available about the book to support its article. Cla68 20:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much! That's helpful and I will think about a deletion nomination.--Samiharris 22:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Unrestricted Warfare (book)

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Unrestricted Warfare (book), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but yours may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. 85.181.26.166 04:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Your note

My pleasure. ;^) Crum375 02:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

"pushing an agenda"

This refers to editors; however, the sources themselves must be highly reliable, which would include expertise in a given field. Jayjg 21:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the help with this.--Samiharris 13:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

BLP and sources

Why don't you go over to Michael Savage (commentator) and clean out the pile of baseless libel backed up by point-of-view pushing single sources? Or are you only interested in keeping to WP:BLP for left wing articles? Ursasapien (talk) 10:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD Unrestricted Warfare (book)

Please consider seconding the AfD-process for "Unrestricted Warfare" by starting the Discussion page (which I cannot do as an "anonymous" editor) and repeating your arguments there. --85.181.39.131 13:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Please create a user name and do it yourself.--Samiharris 17:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Short and distort

The term has been around since 2002. That isn't, say, last week. It's probably about as well-established a word as "blog," for example. I agree, though, that an article about the term should be strictly limited, and shouldn't be just another way to re-fight the anti-nakedness wars. I've commented on the Talk page of that article and made some changes to the article itself. --Christofurio 00:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Straw poll of George Soros

I'm asking for a straw poll to settle the Soros discussion. Please participate. Smallbones 18:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

New Soros Poll

I put up a compromise solution on the Soros page and wanted to see if you could stop by and give it a yea or nay so that we can resolve the whole thing. Also, any other input would be greatly appreciated. |3 E |_ |_ 0 VV E |) 14:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've posted my thoughts about this on the Soros page, in which I hope I've accurately referenced your concerns. Please let me know if I got it wrong. Thanks! Eleemosynary 06:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Apparently frustrated by his inability to build a consensus, Bellowed has decided to resort to untruths. He is attempting to state the 5-4 divided vote on the George Soros Talk page as an overwhelming consensus for including the O'Reilly material.. Please stop by the Talk page; your help would be greatly appreciated. Eleemosynary 00:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#al_Jazeera_video

Has the matter been resolved?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  12:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Soros

Thanks for letting me know. It has been declined. Please keep me informed. Jayjg 02:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Bill Moyers

Hi again. Would you mind stopping by the Bill Moyers Talk page and weighing in with your opinion? The same situation on the George Soros page--wherein two editors are claiming that attacks by Bill O'Reilly should be included as legitimate "criticism" of the article subject--is breaking out on the Moyers page. Any thoughts you have on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Eleemosynary 05:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Gary Weiss

Thank you for bringing this to my attention; it was as a result of your post that I discovered a huge sockpuppet farm, including the editor in question. Regarding WP:NPF, I suspect it would apply in this case. Jayjg 04:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the paragraph in question. When I reluctantly agreed to that compromise paragraph I was A) Unaware of WP:NPF and B) Unaware that the editor who was pushing inclusion of a significantly larger version of that paragraph had a history of antagonism on that particular article. --Samiharris 04:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Several prominent sources have mentioned the conflict between Gary Weiss and Overstock.com over naked short selling, including Bloomberg, the New York Times (NYT), and the New York Post and definitely contribute to Weiss' notability. I've reviewed WP:NPF and it allows a lot of room for interpretation as most WP policy does. What I'll do is post this discussion to Weiss' talk page to allow others to join the discussion to see if a consensus can be reached on whether that paragraph violates WP:NPF or not. Cla68 06:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

As I explained to you on the Gary Weiss talk page, this is not a "disagreement over naked short selling," it is a company-funded smear campaign of personal attacks directed against critics of Patrick M. Byrne and Overstock.com. As you would know if you reads the article, the Post article, which broke the story of this tawdry affair, did not even mention Weiss. Even if NPF did not apply to Weiss, including the paragraph would require a strong consensus, not just a consensus. Weiss's notability was established long before the attacks against him by the smear campaign, and is related to his work as an author of books and articles on stock fraud.--Samiharris 13:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Matt Drudge

Hi Sammi, I just read your comments on Talk:Bill Moyers, and I would like you to take a look at the RfC at Talk:Matt Drudge. I'd be interested in your take on it. - Crockspot 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Quite a battle there. I'll see if I can find the RfC.--Samiharris 01:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Microcap fraud

This article seems in danger of duplicating of pump and dump and chop stocks. You may want to merge P&D and chop into microcap fraud.--Mantanmoreland 21:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

Sami, would you mind e-mailing me, please? Cheers, SlimVirgin 04:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration case

I have requested arbitration regarding WP:BADSITES and its derivative in WP:NPA, and named you as a party in this case. Phil Sandifer 00:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Attack sites opened

Hello, Samiharris. The arbitration case in which you are listed as a party to has opened. Please provide evidences on the evidence page for the Arbitrators to consider. You may also want to utilize the workshop page for suggestions.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | 20:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I posted my position. If the "workshop" stops being a zoo I may post there as well.--Samiharris 17:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Naked short selling

Hi. Can you come to the talk page of the naked short selling article and discuss this with me. I've made a number of revisions to the article and I don't feel it's appropriate for you to revert them all with a one line comment. Dozen13 11:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Attack sites Closed

The above named Arbitration case has closed.

You may refer to the case page to view the decision.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | 20:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Please do not edit the RfC statement in Talk:Gary Weiss. As originally drafted it contains neutral language. Please stop your POV pushing and please be aware of the three revert rule.--Samiharris 03:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

As originally drafted it doesn't contain neutral language. In fact, it implies that material from AntiSocialMedia.net is used in the section, when all of the text is resourced to NYTimes, NYPost, Bloomberg, and one of Weiss' books. Cla68 03:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to "section on" rather than "material from." You should have simply raised the issue in talk, rather than used that as yet another opportunity to POV push.--Samiharris 03:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That's more neutral. Thank you. Cla68 03:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Missed the e-mail

Sorry Sami, I missed your e-mail (long story) and that problem seems to be taken care of. Re: GS, I'm astounded at how that problem pretty much disappeared. I also think that I've learned: a) don't argue about fine points, b) always try to keep things calm. I'm also surprised where I cross paths with you. Is project Business and Economics any better than project Finance? Smallbones 19:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. All's well that ends well. As for the projects, they are what we make them! --Samiharris 21:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Your talk page comment

Hi Sami, sorry I deleted your response on the Glenn Greenwald talk page, but the comment to which you responded, was made by an editor who has been indefinitely blocked. I didn't want to leave your reply "hanging" -so to speak. Feel free to refactor if you think it is needed. Thanks, R. Baley 20:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem.--Samiharris 20:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Finance Project

Dear Sami,

It's good to see an experienced, respected editor joining the Finance project. As I noted above, I've been somewhat disappointed that nothing has happened there. But as you noted, the project is what we make it.

I'll even venture a couple of suggestions - As user:Ronnotel has noted, somebody with some experience on the subject could do a Good Article review of Option (finance). For a real quicky, you might check on the AfD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Accumulator (structured product)

Thanks for any help, Smallbones 15:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sami,

Thanks for the comments on options. Do you know the pretty informal procedure for giving a GA grade? It's fairly important for Ronnetel and myself to find somebody knowledgeable who hasn't contributed to the article to do this - which seems fairly hard to do. (OK, I'm doing a bit of arm twisting here, but as a rare commodity, you are in the driver's seat. How's that for a triple mixed metaphor?)

I'll get some references here but you might start with WP:GA and WP:WIAGA. Also Misplaced Pages:Reviewing good articles. I think you're half way there, but we have some fixing up to do. Smallbones 02:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think the article, now that it has covered call writing, fits the bill on GA. But if you disagree, feel free to remove.--Samiharris 19:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

"Disproportional" comment on Glenn Greenwald discussion page

You obviously have not as yet come to any sort of major conclusion; however, I would like to know your reasons for suspecting that there might be something disproportionate in the citations. I am trying to insert and cross-index this information into its relevant articles and no one has had reservations about the citations before (there have been plenty of other reservations, but not about that issue in particular).<br. /> --Nbahn (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

See response on your user page and in article talk page. My general feeling is that the discussion of that controversy needs to be reduced in size.--Samiharris (talk) 12:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm entirely willing to wait and see what BLP/N has to say about it.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 17:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I think that is the best way to proceed.--Samiharris (talk) 19:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Since you're being so damned polite about it, I suppose that I have no reasonable choice other than to accede to your request; but what if no one but the three of us offer input on the Biography of Living Persons Page? What then?<br. />--Nbahn (talk) 23:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your patience, but please, let's wait. The BLP noticeboard is backlogged but there will be a response, believe me.--Samiharris (talk) 02:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

DTC/DTCC merger

I agree that the articles should be merged. There is siginificant overlap no good reason aI can see to keep them separate. However since the articles are both protected I don't think we should merge them now. If you'd like to post a request for an admin to add merge notices on the protected pages that might fly. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)