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Can anybody write something here on the beginnings and ending of apartheid in South Africa? Thanks.
- Will that do? GrahamN 21:03 Aug 27, 2002 (PDT)
However, discrimination in favour of Jews and against other ethnic groups is enshrined permanently in Israeli law.
- The claim of apartheid raised against Israel is about discriminating Palestinian Arabs (who are subject to Israeli military law), rather than Israeli Arabs.
For example the Declaration of Independence defines Israel as the state of the Jewish people
- The State of Israel ... will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex (Declaration of Independence, Paragraph 13).
and no political party that seeks to re-define it as the state of all its citizens is permitted to put up candidates for elections .
- Israeli laws, like the laws of any other country are looked up by paragraphs, not by ammendments. Israel's Basic Law: THe Knesset, paragraph 7a defines the following causes as making a candidatwe unfit for election:
- negation of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people;
- negation of the democratic character of the State;
- incitement to racism.
- Ironically, the only person ever rejected because of 7a was Meir Kahane, and it was basing on 7a(3).
There are also laws preventing non-Jews from buying land in Israel, and 80% of the land still owned by Arabs after the War of Independence has since been appropriated by the state without compensation.
- After or before? The absence of compensation with 1948 refugees is a separate political issue. The only major cases of displacement known to me after 1948 are the case of Ikrit and Biram.
In August 2001, the Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights & the Environment (LAW) published a paper in which they laid out in detail their case that Israel is guilty of apartheid (see external link, below).
- Have you bothered looking at their web site? Look up the head lines: "Ahmad Sa'adat must be released immediately", "LAW delays demolition home family Thabet Thabet", "LAW files petition against construction of Israel's apartheid wall". Does it lack something? Yes, it probably does: how about the dozens of cases of extrajudicial execution by Palestinian Authority's own men of Palestinians? The page is a Palestinian propaganda effort, and you had swallowed the bait! Talking about Ahmad Sa'adat (chief of the PFLP) but not talking about killing Palestinian civilians is the definition of hipocrisy.
In 2002, LAW filed a petition at the office of the Attorney General of the Israeli army claiming that Israel's construction of a wall along the Green Line constitutes a crime of apartheid under the UN convention
- Attorney General of Israeli Army does not deal with political issues. Perhaps you meant Mr. Rubenstein, Israel's Attorney General?
- To sum up: I think that the paragraph was intentionally fallacious, biased, and it used an untrustworthy source. I removed it for these reasons; I'll keep the link temporarily untill a more neutral source is found (Amnesty, UN or something of the sort). --Uri