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Q: Im a photographer and a designer not a writer, but does anyone think this article is a little short? This is on the most significant Industrial sites in our nation, that has recently (and about 10 years ago) had major portions demolished, wiping sections of our industrial history off the planet. We all need to take this article very seriously and make sure that it represents the significance of the site. Wheres the Beef? Id be happy to provide photos and to research and use public domain historic photos if the content was a bit richer, you dig? —urbanarcheolgy
Question about South Bethlehem resolved
Q: I'm not sure that Bethlehem Steel was founded in South Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. I think the proper place is Bethlehem, Pennsylvania (but correctly, the south side of it). I didn't know that South Bethlehem was even a city until I clicked the link, it's out north of Pittsburgh. Bethlehem, PA is out in eastern PA next to Allentown and is where Beth Steel has been for years.
- Yes, I just figured that out too. The truly picky would make a disambiguator for the two South Bethlehems, but I finessed by moving the "South" outside the link; it will likely be a long time before anyone wants to make articles for Bethlehem PA neighborhoods... Stan 04:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A: South Bethlehem was a separate municipality at the time that Bethlehem Steel was founded. Bethlehem and South Bethlehem merged in 1917. See http://www.leo.lehigh.edu/projects/tax/bethhistory.html
Removed no-longer-working external link
Someone can put it back later if it proves to be OK. Highly dysfunctional right now (crashed both Firefox 1.5.0.6 and IE7).
- Bethlehem Steel homepage (archived) - A November 27, 2004 historic Internet Archive cache of the no longer operational site
Merge
- Strongly suggest against it. This page is about the company, Bethlehem Works is a redevelopment project which has NOTHING to do with this article. 68.39.174.238 04:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. Yes, the topics of Bethlehem Steel Corporation and the Bethlehem Works redevelopment project are related, but that doesn't mean that their Misplaced Pages articles have to be merged, any more than the article Henry Ford needs to be merged with Ford Motor Company. In fact, merging them would just foster ungainliness. The Bethlehem Steel article should eventually grow to be plenty big all by itself, when the history is gradually developed beyond stub status. It is perfectly fine to have a link that takes the reader to the Works article. The articles don't have to be cobbled together. Lumbercutter 19:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Result of the merge discussion = few people cared enough to weigh in, but those who did said no. I removed the tag. — Lumbercutter 16:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Freight cars
The comments about the company abandoning the hardworking people of Johnstown, PA seem POV. Vorenus 13:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
You can't dispute the truth, no matter how much it hurts. There is no way a casino can replace a steel mill when it comes to America's former industrial might. MakeChooChooGoNow 15:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Photos
I have a bunch of photos from the steel. I would like to share some on this site. How do people feel about adding a photo album to this page. Also, I changed the photo that was on the Lehigh Valley and Pennsylvania pages. I would appreciate feedback. Jschnalzer 23:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The Naval Historical Center has wonderful aerial photograph of the Bethlehem-Hingham shipyard dated February 1944, its catalogue number is 80-G-218183 and if somebody could get and upload a copy it would make a great addition to this article (alas it is not one of the images that the Naval Historical Center has available on-line). As I understand it images from the Naval Historical Center are public domain in the United States because they are a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of 17 U.S.C.§ 105. Thefrood 02:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to add a link to the Bethlehem Steel page, at www.oboylephoto.com/steel I think that the photographs in my essay of Bethelehem Steel, all taken in 2006, give a very in depth look at the unseen buildings, architecture and hardware found at The Steel as it was just prior to the Casino construction. I did add a link myself, and it was removed, I wan't sure how to use the talk area to discuss the issue until now. I personally think the photographs add a great deal to the understanding of the scale and complexity of the Bethlehem Steel site, and show many buildings that have now been removed for parking lots. Any feedback would be appreciated. Soboyle (talk) 17:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Great photos. I would be in favour of a link, but it's up to a consensus of editors to decide, and not the photographer. Would you consider releasing any under GFDL, as the Victoria and Albert Museum has done? See a list of the uploads here. That way your work can be used freely throughout wikipedia, and you would be credited on the image page. Have a look at the explanation at User_talk:VAwebteam#GFDL. NB such images should not be watermarked. Tyrenius (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would be more than okay in seeing some of these photos uploaded and included in the article, but I still disagree with the External Link. NcSchu(Talk) 19:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- If you think the photos in the article would be a beneficial addition, that is an argument for linking to them, if they can't be included in the article. Tyrenius (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- No, it's not. The external link looks to me as the artist's attempt at advertising - his art website has no relevance to this article. There's a huge difference between in-text photos and an external link to a gallery of them. I support the former. NcSchu(Talk) 22:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- If you think the photos in the article would be a beneficial addition, that is an argument for linking to them, if they can't be included in the article. Tyrenius (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- For what it's worth - I think the photos are valuable and worthwhile and should be here. Modernist (talk) 12:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
yes, those photos belong linked to this article, despite the OPINIONS of the359 and NcSchu who keep touting the rules. I understand that wiki rules dictate that you cannot link to your personal site for self promotion, I think its time to think outside the box here and come to a concensus that those photographs add infinite value to the article. That particular type of industrial architecture is specific to this company and therefore directly related to the company contrary to the limited view of user the359. People need to see them, and to deprive them of the images, which in my opinion, at this point offer far more words than the skimpy article created here and until the "writers" of this article find a way to enrich the writing beyond its bare bones state i vote they stay. Perhaps the359 should stick to editing racecar articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbanarcheology (talk • contribs) 15:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know how much more simple this could be. Misplaced Pages's article on Bethlehem Steel is about the company, their pdocutions, history, plants, and other such stuff. This is not an article about industrial decay. This is not an article about photography. This is not an article about showing off how only one of Bethlehem Steel's plants makes for lovely pictures. It would be much more informative and helpful to the article if we had general pictures of Sparrows Point or Burns Harbor, not close ups of some machinery and the inside of a gutted building. Find me some pictures of the coke ovens in use, find me a logo, find me some pictures of the rollers, find me some pictures of their former steel reserves, find me some pictures of their rail car production facilities. Don't find me some art.
- Misplaced Pages is here to present information that is based on fact, hence we should only link to websites which discuss the company. Your artistic opinion of what makes for good pictures is not informative, is not enriching, is not improving, is not educational, and is not helping this article, or letting people find out about the entity that was Bethlehem Steel. If you want art, contribute to urban decay or start an article on industrial decay. The359 (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Also, if you're going to claim a limited view, make sure I don't have roughly 35 years invested in this company until they shut their doors, and have been residing once again in the Lehigh Valley because of this company for the past seven years. The359 (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I've recieved many e-mails from former Bethlehem Steel employees who were very happy to find the link to my photographs of The Steel, and also many e-mails from former employees families, tellng me how it gave them a perspective about what it must have been like working there. I think you can tell from my work that this is not some money making scam, but a serious effort to record the Bethlehem works before they are changed beyond recognition. In my mind Bethlehem Steel is linked to a place, not an abstract company, so the argument that this is about "The Company" isn't convincing. We aren't talking about some pencil pushers sitting behind desks here, we are talking about one of the great steel making works in history, employing tens of thousands of workers at this location, and this location is in Bethlehem PA, and these are photographs of what that place looked like in 2006. Soboyle (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- We're talking about an encyclopedic article about a company and its numerous steel plants. There is only a single line in this entire article about Burns Harbor, the largest construction project in the United States at the time of its creation. I think something like that is more important than photos of ruins. If you want to show hardships, find me photos of people actually working in the plants, not artsy black and white photos like Image:Bethlehemsteel14.jpg which do nothing to actually show anything about the company. Sure it may be nostalgic and such, but it is not informative or encyclopedic. Hell, there's not a single picture in this entire article of steel being made. That speaks volumes of this entire debate over photographs. All these links are just photographs of abandonment. If you want to show the company to be "the great steel making works", show them doing that. The359 (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- As for not being in this for money, I cannot help but notice that all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages since 2006 have involved adding links to your website's photo essays to various articles. The359 (talk) 00:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- We're talking about an encyclopedic article about a company and its numerous steel plants. There is only a single line in this entire article about Burns Harbor, the largest construction project in the United States at the time of its creation. I think something like that is more important than photos of ruins. If you want to show hardships, find me photos of people actually working in the plants, not artsy black and white photos like Image:Bethlehemsteel14.jpg which do nothing to actually show anything about the company. Sure it may be nostalgic and such, but it is not informative or encyclopedic. Hell, there's not a single picture in this entire article of steel being made. That speaks volumes of this entire debate over photographs. All these links are just photographs of abandonment. If you want to show the company to be "the great steel making works", show them doing that. The359 (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Chicken soup in search of chicken
I can see both sides of this debate (delete these photos versus keep them). The359 actually makes really good points in his recent comments above. This article needs a lot more info and lots of photos from the days of busy production. To focus heavily on arty photos of postindustrial decay really does represent a tangent away from what this article needs to be. But I think the answer is that it needs BOTH. Eventually this article needs to be developed to the point that it shows plenty of the steel being made and talks about things like how amazing Burns Harbor was when it was designed (full vertical integration, fully served by deep-draft ships, etc). It should also then let the reader see some photos of the subsequent decay at the Bethlehem PA plant. But I think the way to get there is not by *taking away* the arty content—it is by *adding* the industrial content. The reason we've been too heavy on arty decay so far is simply by the nature of this project. This project is made by volunteers, and the easy starting point for most volunteers is the arty decay. For every 8,000 people who say, "ooh, look at the arty photos of the big rusty things—I think my grandpa used to work with those", there are only 8 people who both (a) have knowledge of the business, industry, and history, have read the monographs, etc, and (b) also are volunteering their time to write it up for Misplaced Pages. So I guess my point is, we're trying to make chicken soup and we currently have all water and almost no chicken, because water is plentiful but chicken is harder to come by. But the answer is not to eliminate all water; it is to find the elusive chicken and add it. Now, that being said, there needs to be a limit on how much water we keep around here in the absence of more chicken. So a few arty decay photos are OK, but don't add so many that they steal the focus of the article. And as for Bethlehem Steel Corporation being all about the one plant, or this article being only about that one plant, that is very inaccurate. It was a huge corporation that absorbed many smaller ones and had many facilities across the USA and elsewhere. For example, its shipyards on both coasts are every bit as key to understanding its history as the one riverbank in South Bethlehem, PA. It is NOT all about Bethlehem, PA in particular—no more than U.S. Steel was only about Pittsburgh, PA. </2¢> — ¾-10 01:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- I do not think that all of the photos used on the article should be removed, there are some that I believe are informative when it comes to the decay and destruction of the plant (Image:Bethlehemsteel40.jpg and Image:Bethlehemsteel01.jpg for example). They inform people of the state of the primary facilities of the company after they not only closed the plant, but were bought out. The problem is with photos which are there simply to show off the industrial decay of a facility, and tell nothing of Bethlehem Steel. External links that had great modern photos of facilities, machinery are even better if they have explanations and text of what they are displaying, what they meant to the company, and so on. Image:Bethlehemsteel36.jpg would be better if it showed the actual machinery, or explained exactly what was performed in this building or why it was important to Bethlehem Steel. As it is now, it's honestly just an empty carcass that is connected to Bethlehem Steel.
- This link I chose to keep when I went through and cleaned up the External Links section. The photos are very artistic, but there is also a large written history section and some of the photos offer descriptions of what they depict, what the machinery is and does, etc. Hence most of the removal has not been to eliminate the artsy pictures, but to moderate and concentrate on those that inform and help the article as a whole.
- It would actually be best if we had articles on the specific steel plants such as Bethlehem, Sparrows Point, and Burns Harbor, but this is long down the road. Most of these pictures and links could then be used on a specific article on the Bethlehem Plant, but I still think that some moderation is necessary. The decline of the plant is a nice story, but it is not the complete or primary story. The359 (talk) 04:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Three-quarter-ten, my photographs are just one very small part of the picture of what Bethlehem Steel is and was, I have a hard time understanding the attitude of some of the posters here who seems to take personal offense to anything but their own view of how Bethlehem Steel should be presented. Different perspectives of this place can only enrich the knowledge base, not take away from it. If you don't like the 'artsy' photographs, fine, many other will appreciate them. Someone else will step up with photographs of the Plant in use, with plenty of photographs of steel pouring from a tapped furnace or laddle. Likewise with the other Bethlehem Steel locations and products. If you are really trying to build an encyclopedic article on Bethlehem Steel, allow different perspectives and view points. Soboyle (talk) 15:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- It has nothing to do with what perspective is painted of Bethlehem Steel (I can't really see how decaying buildings paints any picture of the company), it has to do with what is encyclopedic and what is allowed on Misplaced Pages. When the majority of the external links on this article were to industrial decay, it seemed as though some wanted to emphasis a very minor aftermath of the history of the company. Photos are fine, but we'd prefer text. The359 (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
It obviously does have something to do with what perspective is painted of bethlehem steel, you just made that very clear 359. You obviously have an emotional bias here that will surely lead us down one road. No one ever said that the ruins of the plant were to be played up as the most important thing, which is exactly why seans photo essay is an EXTERNAL LINK. It is not the main article. Its an external link to the state of those buidings a few years ago, you CANNOT refute that they do not add anything to the article because that is your opinion. If you cannot see how decaying buildings paint any picture of the company then you are not the kind of person we need editing this article, because when you look at those photos you can see the entire history of the company and our industrial history from start to finish, if you cant see then we cant help you, but we can help everyone else who thinks that is valuable. If you want to help this article then start writing it. If you have so much experience and expertise here then stop worrying about external links to 'artsy photographs' and start doing your part, we are certainly doing ours. If people do step up and actually create some writing here I will help with researching and providing historical imagery to go with it. I have hundreds of historical photos to use during the plants operation that are public domain but we dont have enough content to accommodate it. By the way, thats a 5 to 2 Vote on keeping the link. The internet is the ultimate democracy. They are demolishing the rest of the EFM building this week. If you in the area i suggest you go down to 3rd street and take a look. —Preceding unsigned comment added by urbanarchelogy
- Your answer is nothing but an opinion either...and both you and User:soboyle clearly have biases at well. NcSchu(Talk) 17:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- First, I suggest you read WP:CONSENSUS - So in summary, Misplaced Pages decision making is not based on formal vote counting ("Misplaced Pages is not a majoritarian democracy"). This means that polling alone is not considered a means of decision-making, and it is certainly not a binding vote, and you do not need to abide by polls per se. Polling is generally discouraged, except in specialized processes such as AFD. Your opinion on what "the internet is" is moot.
- If you believe this has anything to do with perspective, then you haven't been reading a damn word I've said. This has to do with what is encyclopedic, what is allowed on Misplaced Pages, and what this article is actually about. I'd say the person who is attempting to belittle and insult those who oppose his opinion might just be the one with bias.
- We already have photographs as to the "state of the buildings" (again, for just ONE of many plants), and we already have a link to a photo essay that ALSO provides information in the way of text and descriptions. 5 pictures of the exterior of a steel plant don't inform anyone of anything. You can barely even tell the condition of the plant. This website does have photos of the ruins that show the state of the interior, exterior, as well as the remains of older equipment, their uses, and so on.
- Decaying buildings do not inherently paint any picture about a company unless it's to show neglect, which is hardly the case here. All you are showing is that a steel plant and the company that founded it are gone. Any genius can figure that out. Decaying buildings don't tell you anything about the history of the company, especially in the link that you attempt to keep adding.
- If you want me to do my part, then don't complain when I tell you the rules of this website and do my part to remove the clutter that doesn't belong. I'd write for this article if it was my area of expertise and I had sources and such that I could offer, but it is not. That doesn't mean I can't attempt to improve the state of the article in any way, shape, or form.
- If you have photos of the plant in operation that are able to be used on Misplaced Pages, then put them there! We have three photos (even more so before I cleaned up this article) so as it is of an abandoned plant, and you're complaining about lack of content as the reason you can't put up good informative pictures? Are you joking? You claim that you're not trying to emphasis decay while you now claim to be sitting on useful pictures but wont upload them but have no problem filling the article with ruins at 300pixels that cluttered the article?
- I am honestly amazed that you expect to be taken seriously on this. The359 (talk) 19:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- The359 is citing correct policy. There seems to be possible conflict of interest going on here and the linked photographs (while very nice) are artistic in nature, not illustrative. Additionally, it is preferred that encyclopedic content be made available on Misplaced Pages itself so that the article may be considered complete without referring the reader to any external resources. If any of you own the copyrights to those photos and would like to contribute one or two under a free license, it could then be included directly in the article and address concerns about "missing information." If you own the copyrights and are not willing to contribute any images, that is your prerogative, but you are back to the conflict of interest situation and should not be attempting to link to work you own. Personally, I would prefer that the link be omitted due to the reasons The359 outlined.
- Also, everyone involved needs to stop re-adding and re-deleting the link from the article. The next person or people who do may be temporarily blocked for violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. Please read over that page because you have all now been given warning to stop the reverts.
- Let me also re-emphasize that consensus is by no means a vote, and must be established by finding common ground here. If you can't do that, you may consider going to the next step in dispute resolution. Again I emphasize that reverting the article is NOT a part of dispute resolution and persisting in this will only get you blocked from editing. -- mattb 21:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
More photos
If some of you claim to have photos of Bethlehem Steel plants (again, we need more than the Bethlehem, PA plant), why are more and more pictures of the abandoned plant being added to an already overloaded article? I can't say that this image adds much to the section it is in, nor does it very easy to even see. Color would be preferred over black and white, but this picture is simply very dark so as it is.
Also, I cannot help but question some of the pictures being uploaded recently. this for instance is not public domain since it is not the work of the government. Other pictures being uploaded have no source information with which to back up the claim that they are indeed public domain or Creative Commons. The359 (talk) 23:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The Saucona Iron Company photo
The photo is apparently incorrectly titled because the Saucona Iron Company did not build any works. Works were not built until after the company name was changed to Bethlehem Iron Company. Robert M. Hunt (talk) 13:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- The date written on the right hand side of the photo says 1896, so I've changed it to Bethlehem Iron Company. The359 (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Solution
First of all let me say that I find it strangely ironic that User:24.239.189.6/User:Urbanarcheology would call for the discussion to be taken to talk and then go ahead and start an edit war. This article has a problem, and it's never going to be stopped as long as people keep reverting each other's edits and act like they own this article and its content. We must make logical picking and choosing of the most relevant images, namely ones that aren't of the same thing and ones that actually have some meaning to the reader. And I'm sorry, User:Urbanarcheology, but the image of the "High House" I removed does nothing for the reader. Please explain the "importance" you claim in your edit comment. It seems to show nothing but an empty steal-reinforced concrete shell. If this keeps going on, I'm going to call for this page to be protected so that these issues can be resolved. Misplaced Pages is not a repository of images and as editors have pointed out previously, a few of these photos just don't enhance the article. Unless the size of this article can be doubled, at least two images have to go. NcSchu(Talk) 04:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- The High House picture is useless as it stands now. Guns may have been fabricated there, but the picture itself merely shows an empty building. Not very informative. Find a picture of guns BEING fabricated in the High House, and it'd be relevant. The picture of warships being built shows a much better example of Bethlehem Steel assisting in armed forces than an empty buildingly formerly used to build guns, but not actually showing that.
- The black and white picture of the Bethlehem Plant is possible to keep, but redundant. We already have a color picture of the plant that is not only clearer, but also better at showing the state of the plant nowadays.
- However, I have recently noticed the picture features a watermark, which is frowned upon on Misplaced Pages. If we keep the black and white photo instead, it should be moved down to the location of the color photo. The logo of the company should really be at the top (and we could also possibly add an infobox to contain it in.) The359 (talk) 06:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Im going to remove the color image and move the black and white below the logo. The color photo is not clearer, is not of good quality and no one is to say that color or black and white images are more informative that the other, thats just a left brain way of thinking. I can see through your lens and my own... It takes all kinds of people to produce content like this and reverting the article back to your preferred version is narrow. The image of the High House, which you have proven neither of you know anything about is not 'useless' it shows a 100 ton overhead crane, shows clearly the scale necessary to heat treat 14" guns for warships into the oil quenching tanks below. It also shows a very important style of industrial architecture specific to this company (I will add more info to the caption) That building looks the same as it did when it was in production you just dont know enough about it to understand that. Please dont let your ignorance of what is really in that picture prevent someone else from better understanding the use of that building and its historical siginificance. If you think that the photo of the high house 'does nothing for the reader' then it seems strange that the Smithsonian Institution has retained it in its permanent collection for the very reason it preserves the historic equipment it shows. Just because it doesnt do anything for you obviously doesnt mean anything to the rest of the world who can benefit from it. This article is not about you, its about sharing information with the world, which I have been very generous to do with my work. If you are so concerned about the length of the article, once again, instead of nit picking over details perhaps you should help to write it, something neither one of you have done. At least 359 found some good images but said clearly before he would prefer text so how bout doing a little research on that so i can worry about photos. Ive made it very clear that I am not a writer, that is the thing i know least about. You need to understand what you are good at and do it. Im good at photography (specifically industrial architecture) and using climbing equipment to place pro 100 feet up on an 80 year old blast furnace thats rotting away to secure myself and my gear in the proper position to take photographs of that quality, in order to preserve our industrial history, and to give it back to people so that they can see it themselves and dont have to put themselves in that danger. If you you dont have any photo editing experience dont do it, If you dont know how to research content and include it then dont do it. Everyone wants to contribute but you two have contributed the least and continue to complain the most. You dont see Robert Hunt complaining do you? Thats because he is scientist and a scholar and has been working on this article long before you two showed up and continues to make valid edits to the article. Dont complain, do some research, add some text, and help to make this article better. -urbanarcheology
- You should probably do research because in fact I have contributed text to this article. The fact that a photograph may or may not be on a "permanent collection" is irrelevant, this is not the smithsonian institute and you don't know their reasonings for even including the photograph. Stop making baseless accusations just to prove your point. We're trying to make this article better. It is you, with your lack of experience and ignorance of the things that make Misplaced Pages what it is that are hurting the article. NcSchu(Talk) 21:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Fuck it, I'm going for Dispute Resolution. I'm tired of this falling on deaf ears. The359 (talk) 21:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thank God. NcSchu(Talk) 22:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Fuck it, I'm going for Dispute Resolution. I'm tired of this falling on deaf ears. The359 (talk) 21:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
that sounds great, and while this dispute is going on I will continue to conduct oral history interviews of steelworkers in the area, to help paint a picture of the working class men and women that helped build this country from the ground up... and of course to continue photographing the demolition of historic buildings as our industrial history is knocked to the ground. For the record I do know why the Smithsonian collected the image because I am working directly with them Urbanarcheology (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, not that that particularly matters regarding the article and these issues because you can't put original research on the encyclopedia, which is exactly what you're collecting. Your status/connections/job/etc. don't mean you have more voting power than other users. NcSchu(Talk) 23:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
stay in school nickUrbanarcheology (talk) 23:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
If you are working for the Smithsonian, and that is your picture that you took, why on Jeremy Blakeslee's website, which you cite as the original photographer, is there no mention of working with the Smithsonian? In fact, your user page on Misplaced Pages lists multiple publishers and companies that are not listed on Jeremy Blakeslee's website.
If you are not Jeremy Blakeslee (most likely User talk:Jbdesign2), then the photo isn't yours to begin with. If you are Jeremy Blakeslee, and the the photograph is yours, then I'd appreciate a Smithsonian Catalog number if possible.
You've had problems uploading photos with information as to where you obtained them, as well as uploading under incorrect licenses, so I think this is necessary. The359 (talk) 00:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- To add to this, the website which you link to from your user page, Meat Market Magazine, features the photo of High House. Except, it has been cropped differently, and in fact it actually shows the bottom of the High House, oil basins and all! One would think that if you took the photo, and that you still had the photo, you would upload the full size, full resolution version, not a small 466x468 copy that cuts off the important bits you've droned on about and is an exact copy of the cropped version on the Jeremy Blakeslee website.
- You claim to have photos of the plant in use, but you have yet to upload a single one. If that doesn't strike anyone as odd, then I am at a loss for words. The359 (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I think this nails something down. Image:El Caracol observatory.jpg was uploaded by User talk:Jbdesign2, with text claiming that the photograph was taken by that user, making that user Jeremy Blakeslee. Unless you're using sockpuppet accounts, you are not the person who took these photographs. The359 (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I have a feeling we may be involved with sock-puppetry here. Look at User talk:Jbdesign2's contributions. There aren't many, but the attitude's the same, and they were towards the same pages. I wouldn't be surprised if they're the same person, but we'd have to match the IP addresses of both users to be certain. I think only administrators can do it though. NcSchu(Talk) 02:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I think this nails something down. Image:El Caracol observatory.jpg was uploaded by User talk:Jbdesign2, with text claiming that the photograph was taken by that user, making that user Jeremy Blakeslee. Unless you're using sockpuppet accounts, you are not the person who took these photographs. The359 (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Dispute Resolution
Dispute over the selection and use of photographs as well as external links to photographs in regards to the former company Bethlehem Steel. The359 (talk) 21:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Right, I requested, and succeeded in getting, page protection for two weeks until we can fix this mess. NcSchu(Talk) 00:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)