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Revision as of 17:09, 1 March 2008 by Scoutersig (talk | contribs) (→Pronunciation: new section)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)Just a bit of linguistical information: Mărţişor is not derived from Martie, but rather from "Marţ" <- Latin "Martius". In fact, the old term for the month of March was "Mărţişor". The new one, (if you can call a 1000 years old new :) "Martie" is derived from a Orthodox source. (from Slavic, which in turn was from Greek). Bogdan | Talk 19:44, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
At the 'External Links' section, change the error link http://social.moldova.org/articole/eng/357/ with the coorrect one:
http://www.moldova.org/pagini/eng/59/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.84.203 (talk • contribs)
FYI: this was in the article, can someone who knows vietnamese make a corresponding article?
(vietnamese )
Mărţişor( mùng 1 tháng 3 ) lễ hội truyền thống của người dân Rumani đón mùa xuân về . Mărţişor không những biểu tượng cho mùa xuân thay áo mới với trăm hoa đua nở đâm chồi, với không khí vui vẻ hạnh phúc , mà còn biểu tượng cho cái thiện và cái ác, cái thiện luôn chiến thắng và cái ác bi đấy lùi. Vào dịp lễ này phái nữ nhận được những món quà xinh xắn có tên gọi mărţişoare (theo tiếng Rumani Mărţişor có nghĩa tháng 3 nhỏ xinh ). Thường thì quà Martisor là đồ trang sức hoặc những món đồ trang trí nhỏ nhắn như bông hoa ,con vật hay một trái tim, những món quà đó đều được thắt một chiếc nơ tết bằng những sợi chỉ màu đỏ và trắng biểu tượng cho sự may mắn và an lành. Hai màu đó trắng cũng là biểu tượng của hai mùa xuân và đông, trong khi mầu đỏ biểu tượng cho mùa xuân tươi đẹp đang đến, thì mùa trắng là biểu tượng của mùa đông lạnh giá đã qua. Mărţişor còn mang ý nghĩa sự tái sinh của thiên nhiên. Mùa xuân, cỏ cây hoa lá đâm chồi nảy lộc, có một loài hoa mang tên Ghiocei (Hoa chuông ), cũng được coi là loài hoa biểu tượng của mùa xuân, ở Rumani vào ngày lễ Mărţişor người ta cũng thường tặng cho nhau những bó hoa Ghiocei.
Lịch sử ngày lễ Mărţişor: Không rõ từ khi nào thì người ta kỷ niệm ngày lễ này nhưng có thể cho rằng nó bắt nguồn từ thời La mã cổ đại, khi đó người Ki-tô giáo lấy ngày mùng 1 tháng 3 là ngày đầu tiên của năm. Nguồn gốc của lễ hội này đồng thời cũng được ghi nhận thông qua lễ hội tưởng nhớ thần Marte (thần Chiến tranh ) vị thần bảo vệ mùa màng và chống chiến tranh . Tương đồng với lễ kỷ niệm thần Marte thì ở vùng Tracia ( Rumani cổ) người ta cũng kỷ niệm thần Marsyas Silen , vào ngày này phụ nữ Daco thường đeo trên mình những đồng tiền hoặc những mảnh kim loại xâu bằng những sợi chỉ màu đỏ và trắng biểu tượng cho sự may mắn và một năm an lành —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurian Legend (talk • contribs) 00:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Relation to Martenitsa
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA I cant believe it "the beautiful tradition in Moldova and Romania" HA-HA-HA dear friends its a BULGARIAN tradition,but you cant know everything!!!The tradition is from 681 A.D. when khan Asparuh win hands down in one battle versus Byzantine enemys,then he send a message with one eagle.He tie up the message with white thread,but the enemys forces wound the eagle and when the eagle arrive in the castle the thread is not only white,the half of this thread is a red from the eagles blood,and by this day every real BULGARIAN have a "martenitsa"(write on Cyrillic:"мартеница") to his hand for luck and health!!!
I wish you happy holiday and dont forget where are you come from ;)
P.S. Sorry if i have wrongs,my English is like your Bulgarian :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.220.223 (talk) 05:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry to disappoint you, buddy. Martisor has been a Romanian tradition for over 8000 years. It's a fact! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.202.15 (talk) 08:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- You are funny !!! .... martenitza is tradition maked from proto-Bulgarians, in Romania this is become from Avars Haganat ... because in this haganat living too many Bulgarians (from clan Ermi) .... this clan after demolish of avars haganat become in bulgaria.... see: khan Krum :) funny romanians :) hahaha
- For your information... Mărţişor is an 8000 year old Romanian tradition. Martenitsa is an old Bulgarian tradition (you say from 681 AD). They are similar, yes, but not the same thing. Each article should remain as is and talk about the corresponding tradition. Danielgrad (talk) 11:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- You so funny, before 8000 years :)..... in this period 6000 years before Christ the humans know only blue ink :)!!!!!! (martenitca is maked from red ink ) and in this period there is not Romanian country :) ha-ha-ha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermi.clan (talk • contribs) 11:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The oldest proof for this tradition was found in Schela Clacovie, Mehedinţi, a 10,000 years old human settlement Danielgrad (talk) 11:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- and now 10000 years :) , !!!! are u listen what u saying?? the fabric will be rotten !!! you talk nonsense !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermi.clan (talk • contribs) 11:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- See ro:Mărţişor, ro:Schela Cladovei, Mehedinţi and http://www.donsmaps.com/schela.html for references. Do you have any references? Danielgrad (talk) 11:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- i dont see any martisor on photos :) where is it??tell me .... ?!?!? if u show me photo of skeleton remake with martisor on it ,i will believe you :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermi.clan (talk • contribs) 11:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- You won't see skeletons wearing them, because they were not worn back then. they were rocks painted in white and red used in rituals of spring and renewal. These colors were combined with the later tradition of threads tied to a coin, replacing the black and white wool threads with red and white threads.
- As for no Romanian country in 6000 BC... The name Romania is derived from the Roman Empire and it's called that way from the Roman conquer of Dacia (old name of current Romania). In their second attempt, romans conquered Dacia and annexed it to their empire. They only stayed here for less than 200 years, but this was enough to change the name of the country and to influence the language to the point where now it's the closest existing language to old Latin. But the people of Dacia occupied the land long before this. Romanian paleolithic era is dated to 700,000 BC. The earliest occupants of current Bulgarian territory are the Hamangia culture and the Vinča culture, which are dated to around 6000-3000 BC. Danielgrad (talk) 12:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
You say its a thracian tradition. We bulgarians inheritted thracians - therefore case closed. Tangra680 (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, you inherited Romanians. Case closed. -- Heron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.24.190 (talk) 16:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Pronunciation
Could someone say how to pronounce this? —ScouterSig 17:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)