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Hi, I noticed some of your edits.

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Deleting sourced information in CAMERA

Please don't delete sourced information like you did here in the CAMERA article. Since you work for CAMERA, deleting sourced criticism of your organization is a serious conflict of interest. The material you deleted without explanation is:

Journalist and author Robert I. Friedman wrote in 1987 that "CAMERA, the A.D.L., AIPAC and the rest of the lobby don't want fairness, but bias in their favor. And they are prepared to use McCarthyite tactics, as well as the power and money of pro-Israel PACs, to get whatever Israel wants."

Boodlesthecat 21:19, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

You've gotten nowhere with your COIN, except to state that on a minimal number of occasions I had edited from a computer with the same IP address that CAMERA apparently uses. This is hardly evidence of COI, and I will repeat yet again, there is no conflict of interest. I suspect that your continued allegations both here and in discussion pages and forums might eventually be regarded as harassment and incivility.

That said, I'll reinsert your criticism in the criticism section, which will be below the praise and testimomial sections. Gni (talk) 21:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Are the following comments about your behavior by admins (not me) "harrassment and incivility"?:

• "But his protestations about not promoting Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America don't appear convincing. The evidence already presented at WP:COIN seems to show that he (Gni) edited Misplaced Pages from a computer in CAMERA's offices."
• "it certainly appears that you are merely hunting through EVERYTHING that Boodles has done and everything he does in the hopes of finding some sort of "impropriety" that you can make "stick". Look, stop trying to seek revenge against him because you consider him some sort of enemy. This is stalking and is wrong. Instead, return to editing articles, though I would avoid editing the CAMERA article, or any articles related to that one, as your edits there have gotten you into some trouble in the recent past."
• "The tie connecting the IP edits (discussed more clearly at COIN) to the CAMERA organization is clear."
• "The evidence for promotional editing on the articles listed at COIN is so strong that we should be warning the COI-affected editors about possible blocks if they don't desist. Coyness about personal identity sounds incongruous when it comes from the advocate of a political action group that is extremely forceful in putting its own views forward."

You can keep your head in the sand about this if you wish, but ultimately its going to turn out negatively for you, and give your organization a black eye to boot. Boodlesthecat 00:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

First and foremost, none of the admins seemed to be convinced enough to bar me from editing, and for good reason. As the source of more than one of the above quotes admitted on your talk page, "One option is to designate a specific set of COI-affected editors who we request not to touch the CAMERA article. That would certainly take a lot of evidence, since it most cases we don't have proof of COI, we just have the record of past edits that may be considered promotional in nature. Someone has to go and dig up those edits, if you expect the COIN report to get any traction with administrators." Obviously the COIN report didn't get real traction with administrators. Again this was for good reason.

But to answer your vexatious question: Are the above statements harassment and uncivil? Let's see...

On bullet point one, the admin says that evidence seems to show that I edited Misplaced Pages from a computer in CAMERA's offices. I'd say that's rather close to a statement of fact, except I'd stop just a bit short of what he/she said -- the fact is that I had, on very few occasions, edited from that IP address, which is not necessarily the same as editing from the CAMERA office.

Bullet point two I would definitely describe as a) outrageously wrong, and b) unfairly assuming bad faith.

Bullet point three seems to be a rather straightforward observation. There seems to have been an overlap of IP addresses on very few occasions.

Bullet point four is rather prejudicial, and not very thought out in my opinion.

Of course, the difference between all the above -- those that are more fact-based and even those that I disagree with especially strongly -- and your behavior is your pattern of aggressive, uncivil comments and behavior toward me, and your reflexive reverting, often without discussion, of almost any edits I make.

So perhaps you keep your threats to yourself, and maybe even think about your own behavior. Gni (talk) 01:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

3RR

You should probably read what 3RR is before you report people for violating it. Please don't harass me any more with bogus complaints. Boodlesthecat 03:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Email

Hello Gni. If you are willing to discuss issues by email, please change your account preferences to add an email address. Receipt of incoming email does not endanger your privacy. You can reply on-wiki if you wish, which avoids the need to send any outgoing email. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Gni, I've replied here on my talk page to your message there. --Coppertwig (talk) 12:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

1. Robert I. Friedman. The lobby: Jewish political power and American foreign policy. The Nation 244.(June 6, 1987).