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Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as probative, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text borrowed from web sites. For more information, take a look at our policy library. Happy editing! --Cryptic (talk) 20:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What are you on about, specifically? To what copyrighted text are you referring? -- 67.182.157.6 12:08, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Dot-Six

Arbitration being considered against Dot-Six

Arbitration is being discussed as a remedy for disruption of Misplaced Pages by an anonymous editor known as .6 or Dot-Six. The details are in the page Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/DotSix. Robert McClenon 21:10, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

From that page: 6., you should read Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration so that you understand what is being suggested. You might consider taking this issue to Misplaced Pages:Mediation or Misplaced Pages:AMA Requests for Assistance, in order to avoid its going to arbitration. Banno 08:19, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Despite our differences, I am also open to mediation. Would you agree to have this dispute mediated? Rhobite 08:30, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

You mean now jump immediately to the FIFTH STEP (see chart), retain a mediator to, quote, "strive to achieve conciliation through negotiation" in our content dispute? According to policy (see chart) striving to achieve conciliation through negotiation concerning our content dispute should have been STEP ONE, instead of you exercising the nuclear option of resorting to an ad hominem personal attack/poisoning the well RfC, shouldn't it? Apologize for so quickly abandoning step one, and cancel that ad hominem personal attack/poisoning the well RfC you posted, then we can return to step one and talk about our differences concerning content, certainly. I think you will find me a reasonable person totally in favor of Misplaced Pages policy, consensus decision-making.

Remember, instead of rushing to have straight majority rule, whoever can get out the most votes wins, here in Misplaced Pages content disputes the policy is consensus decision-making (general agreement meeting everyone's needs):

It has been said that true consensus involves "meeting everyone’s needs." Consensus decision-making is intended to deemphasize the role of factions or parties and promote the expression of individual voices. --Consensus_decision-making#Purpose

Could there possibly be a better example of an individual voice than yours truly, --67.182.157.6? Best regards, --67.182.157.6 19:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

...<Ad hominem personal attack by Banno deleted. Misplaced Pages:no personal attacks says comment on content, not the contributor]]> Banno 20:58, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

At no stage has a vote been used, or even suggested, as a solution to this problem. ...Banno

The only real "problem" here is dispute resolution concerning various content disputes. Banno should stick to that, or not post anything at all here. Banno is simply trying to change the subject, make the character of his opponent the issue, but that is just ad hominem personal attack/poisoning the well. --67.182.157.6 21:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

This is absurd. It's like a Monty Python sketch. I have told you many times that I am willing to discuss the dispute privately or mediate through a third party. IRC would be best, e-mail is fine, talk pages are fine. You have ignored every one of my requests, but you continue to complain that we are not attempting "principled negotiation". I would genuinely like to discuss the content of articles with you. Rhobite 01:33, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Is this the five-minute argument, or the full half-hour? ;-) Banno 08:18, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

If you are really interested in following policy, and discussing the content, not the contibutor, simply drop this ad hominem personal attack, then go to any of the talk pages and dive in. Let's see if we can make consensus decision making really work here. No hard feelings. People get hot under the collar sometimes and we all make mistreaks. 8^) We're only human. Best regards. --67.182.157.6 05:56, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's not within my power to delete the RFC or control anyone else's conduct, but as I've said before I'm willing to give you another chance. So let's start. I have some general questions for you: Should the content of Misplaced Pages's articles always be logically consistent? Even if we are merely describing what someone else believes? There are many irrational points of view in this world. You seem to believe that they should be removed from the encyclopedia. Why? Rhobite 08:55, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

You say, "Well, it's not within my power to delete the RFC." I didn't ask that you delete it, sir.

All you have to do to show good faith is remove your endorsement of it, explaining your reason, that you would prefer to return to honoring the policy of discussing the merits of the particular content, not the character of the contributor, as per Misplaced Pages:no personal attacks. Then we can discuss content of Misplaced Pages all you want, in the various article discussion pages. Fair enough?

For instance, please take a look at the bias currently being editing into the article on epistemology, that "THE MOST INFLUENTIAL WRITING ON KNOWLEDGE IS the Theaetetus account " attributed to Plato. That is clearly ADVOCACY, which is prohibited. See Misplaced Pages:Consensus.

Will I see you over there in talk:epistemology joining me in taking exception to such advocacy? --67.182.157.6 16:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Proposed truce

I pledge to stop commenting on your conduct, and to strike through my endorsement from the RFC, but only under some conditions: That you agree...

1. not to move VfD tags from an article's main page to its talk page,
2. not to remove other users' comments from talk pages,
3. not to remove content from (or attempt to write) policy pages,
4. not to violate the three revert rule,
5. and not to call other users names like "Foolwagon" and "Banana".
6. My last condition is that you sign up for and use a Misplaced Pages account. It is very hard to discuss things with your multitudes of IP addresses.

Optionally, I will also agree to abide by the Misplaced Pages:One-revert rule on philosophy- and truth-related articles, if you do the same. Either one of us may pull out of this agreement at any time.

How does that sound? Rhobite 20:07, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing Misplaced Pages for 24 hours for removing the VfD tag from Misplaced Pages:Tyranny of the majority. Rhobite 18:19, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Come come now, It was not removed, as you allege, it was merely moved to the discussion page where it is supposed to be, per Misplaced Pages:Categorization#Wikipedia_namespace, right?

VfD tags are always supposed to be on the article's page. Look at every other article which is listed for deletion. As I said before, I'm done putting up with your games (but I'm still willing to mediate). I find it curious that you continue to promote "principled negotiation", while ignoring all of my requests to resolve this conflict amicably. Rhobite 19:45, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

You insist, "VfD tags are always supposed to be on the article's page." You are mistaken, Misplaced Pages:Categorization#Wikipedia_namespace says it belongs on the discussion page, right?

Also, I resent you characterizing my pointing out why you are mistaken on these various points as "games." That is just more ad hominem personal attack/poisoning the well on your part (in place of limiting your comments to content, per policy, you still persist in comenting on the CONTRIBUTOR instead), isn't it?

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