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Ril is now attacking Authentic Matthew-Help.

Actually, I put it up for VfD due to it being original research, containing a large (n.b. not biblical) source text at Wikisource, the salvagable content already being noted, and the article's creator going to extreme sockpuppet usage to preserve the article in the original form. The above user is a sockpuppet of User:Melissadolbeer, named User:Teenangel. Please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Melissadolbeer. ~~~~ 19:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


- Welcome to my talk page - I will usually reply to messages on this page. If I have posted on your talk page,
I will be watching so you can reply there if you wish.

Previous discussions have been archived.

Super Eurobeat

Yeah, I know the AVEX compliation is important to Eurobeat genre. However, the cuent version is nothing but a list and has little content to preserve. As I am not familiar with the history of SEB, I elect for a page to delete but keep links (this means that when the page is re-created it will not be moved to speedy delete). In any case, if you can write up something better, please do. SYSS Mouse 14:17, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bars (pubs, taverns) of inclusion

Hello Kappa. In Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Hog's Back Brewery, you write: there should be a low bar of inclusion for beer, as for almost everything else. This is interesting, as the "almost" implies that even you are inclined to squelch something or other. I wonder what this is. Could it perhaps be vanity?

Whether or not it's vanity, you might be interested in what I wrote in Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#Vanity about my dissatisfaction with the so-called "semi-policy" (?!) page Misplaced Pages:Vanity page. I've written more about this in Misplaced Pages talk:Vanity page and I've made some very minor changes to Misplaced Pages:Vanity page while attempting not to change the gist (so far as I understand it) of what it says -- despite my own disagreement. Since you tend to vote "keep" a lot more often than I do, your viewpoint is likely to be different from mine; thus your involvement in a rewrite would I think be very healthy. If you have comments, do plonk them on Misplaced Pages talk:Vanity page rather than my own page. Thanks. -- Hoary 03:39, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

Vandalism alert

Hi Kappa. You made an entry in Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress#Current alerts, but you didn't say which user you were reporting. You might want to fix your entry. Paul August ☎ 21:11, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Crescent school

Hi there! I noticed your comment about the Crescent School on VfD, "So how about BEEFSTEW of 5 gets an article, substubs are deleted, less than 5 gets merged if it isn't growing? Kappa 05:30, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)"

I think this is a very good idea, and it seems the only way to stop the repetitive school debates on VfD is by setting up some compromise (like we have for WP:MUSIC; BEEFSTEW sounds like a good starting point). Do you think we should put up a centralized discussion on this? Yours, Radiant_* 07:18, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

  • I think some progress is being made in the Vfds, I'm trying to figure out what kind of deal people will buy. Kappa 11:12, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • There does seem to be progress, and I think we should just make a compromise somewhere because the repetitive discussion seems to be annoying people... I've already been approached by some people to start a centralized discussion on the matter, but I'm afraid that if I do that people will mistake my intent. Radiant_* 09:30, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
      • Do you think there can be consensus around using BEEFSTEW to measure article quality, not just school "notability"? I believe that a large majority of the community would be prepared to accept that. I don't want a WP which is unable to examine typical schools with their gang problems, special projects, important roles in the community etc. Kappa 11:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • I think it's possible to form a consensus - if the two of us can reach agreement on this, I think I would be able to convince the delete-voters to agree, and I trust you'd be able to do similar with the keep-voters.
        • As a corollary, I think it should be acceptable to merge school stubs onto lists, or articles on the city/town/whatever - a merged article can always be broken out later if and when more information is added. I believe many delete-voters simply object to stubs that they believe to be unlikely to be expanded any time soon.
        • Regarding BEEFSTEW, I think it's a good start, and most criteria are solid. However, I have some objection regarding item I (Would an alumnus of the school be pleased at how knowledgeable the article was?) as it's subjective and unverifiable. Also, I don't like the first three criteria (more than two sentences, at least one paragraph, more than 2000 bytes) because they're only relevant to the length of the article, not its content. The reason I'm saying this is that there is some precedent for people adding trivial information to school article (e.g. "the spoken language is English" for a school in England, or "the library contains many books ordered by topic") in order to increase its length. Of course I'd like your opinion on this.
        • Yours, Radiant_* 07:48, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

I propose something like this: An article on a non-exceptional school gets its own page when it contains a substantial amount of informative, non-generic, verifiable information. A substantial amount would be about a screenful. Generic information is things like BEEFSTEW (D) unless there is something interesting to say about them, such as a remarkable improvement in results. Non-generic information is like the part of BEEFSTEW (H) which says "describe some distinct things about it that distinguish it from other schools". It would include the things I want from school articles like interesting points of its history, its role in the local area, special education/discipline approaches and so on.

  • Other school pages get merged somewhere, but we find a way to encourage people to expand them with "non-generic" info. Some kind of template that says "this school section is a stub, you can help WP by expanding it. The schools project has some guidelines." That way they can grow, more or less organically, and also help bring new people into WP.
  • This means it won't be possible to give all schools an article because there just isn't enough info available. I think Clonkeen College would be an example of something which would have to stay merged. The schools people won't be too happy but I think they'll accept it in return for a friendlier approach to new articles and schools in general. Kappa 23:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I think this sounds very good. How about making a draft (that doesn't refer to BEEFSTEW, but copy/pastes the relevant parts) and asking some people for comments? See also User talk:Korath who has written down his thoughts, which do seem to correspond with yours. We should definitely get Dpbsmith's opinion, since he wrote BEEFSTEW.
    • How do you feel about 'current' information? Listing a principal would be useful since most principals stay on for a long time; but how about information that would not be valid a year from now?
    • A template for school sections sounds good, and then people can check 'what links here' (or an embedded category) when looking for school articles to expand. WikiProject:Schools is a good central place for that.
    • Considering the fact that there's only a few 'extremists' on each side, it seems viable to get consensus on this - stressing the point that merging is a form of keeping. After all, it's a worthy compromise - and compromise is certainly preferable to a daily shouting match on VfD. Radiant_* 08:58, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
File:Goschool.gifThis section on schools is incomplete. You can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it.

re: Clover Park High School

Yes, we have many subpages on Misplaced Pages on specific topics. (For example, the collected wikipages on chess could fill a small book!) Why not subpages for towns? It's just a matter of consistent thinking. Schools are useful information in a specific, reasonable context.

And, even if someone doesn't think the school article is "notable" enough, it would be wise to keep the article anyway. (1) Keeping the article fosters good will: Local readers who see the page will think "Wow, wikipedia cares about MY town!" (2) Deleting the article creates ill will: It says to all the editors who put their time and hard work into the page: "Sorry, your work is valueless; it is better to destroy it." That really angers people, and rightfully so. So keeping the page is good for the Wikimedia project.

If there is ever sufficient popular support on Misplaced Pages to delete school and related pages due to them being "too geographical--too local in scope", then what will need to be done is the creation of a "Wikitowns" or "Wikilocal" project, and all the pages about schools and such will have to be moved there. The information will survive, just in a different project space. This was done with word definitions (Wiktionary), so it could easily happen in this case. A Wikilocal project is probably what will happen in the long run. I think it would even be a better situation, as you wouldn't have to deal with idiotic Vfd votes, and there would be no question of the page's value and "notability". You'd be able to spend your time actually working on adding contributions instead of defending them against the notability crusaders. (But keep in mind that the notability crusaders really do have Misplaced Pages's best interests at heart, even if they don't "get it".)

- Pioneer-12 01:16, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Clonkeen College

Kappa, would you please take another look at Clonkeen College and reconsider your vote? You have demonstrated excellent research abilities when it comes to schools, perhaps you can lend me a hand? It seems to have a good degree of notability above and beyond that of the typical notable secondary school. Cheers --GRider\ 19:22, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Hi GRrider, I'll change my vote because I promised I would. I did actually look for material to expand that article but I didn't find very much. Please look above to my discussion with Radiant on an attempted compromise on the schools issue (which would result in this particular article being merged as it stands). I know this kind of thing is not ideal from the "organic growth" standpoint but I'm hoping you can accept it in return for a healthier attitude towards school coverage in general. Kappa 23:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Radio mast articles

I am contacting you because you have contributed to the VfD discussion on radio mast articles. I just wanted to let you know that a proposal has been put forth at Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy/Masts to address these articles en masse. Your comments are welcome. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 04:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:)

FYI, I'll be away for a couple of days. If you want my help on persuading certain people, please wait a bit. I'll drop you a line when I'm back. Yours, Radiant_* 21:47, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Email

Please email me. — Xiong熊talk* 13:20, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

Thanks, and a question

Thanks for your kind words, and for posting the standard welcome on my talk page.

Please have a look at my user page and tell me on my talk page if what I've posted there is appropriate. I'm not certain, and would rather go back and delete it rather than whack a hornet's nest with a stick.

Thanks again. --Unfocused 14:24, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Notable high schools

This Newsweek article on The 100 Best High Schools in America is certainly food for thought in the frequent debates over the notability of high schools... certainly every one on that list should have an article! -- BDAbramson 01:02, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

  • thanks for the link, but doing schools from best -> worst is not the best order in my opinion. Kappa 15:45, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi there! I'm back from break, so I'd be happy to continue on the schools compromise, and getting it away from the daily VfD hassle. Radiant_* 10:43, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually things seem a bit quieter on Vfd, and people are voting by article quality a lot more, I can live with that. I'm thinking it might be possible to introduce a {{cleanup-school}} tag to replace cleanup-importance people were using. Kappa 15:45, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
      • It is quieter now, but there still is no consensus. I believe we should take advantage of the calm rational mood at present to create a consensus, because it is quite possible that in the future there will be more school nominations and a repetition of the angry shouting. If, by then, we have a guideline to fall back on, we can prevent it. Yours, Radiant_* 15:48, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • I added the Newsweek list to my userpage here - I agree that best-to-worst is not the best order, but I feel this list offers additional ammunition for keeping all schools listed on it! -- BDAbramson act 01:21, 2005 May 16 (UTC)

Speedy tags...

I've read the criteria and try to keep to it. Normally I'll either nonsense or db|reason it. Let me know if you think I'm misusing it and I'll try to be more conservative. I have done 3 VfD's so far (almost 4, but speedied one that had been deleted before. ) Wikibofh 01:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

As an example, here is one I didn't speedy because I wasn't positive.  :) Wikibofh 01:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Names/Surnames

Kappa, I would welcome your comment on Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy/names and surnames. -- BDAbramson 04:15, 2005 May 13 (UTC)

Re: speedy tag on Phytoestrogen

Sorry... still learning some of the ropes around here. Guess I should have actually checked what it linked to BEFORE I decided to put the speedy tag on. Despite that, I still think it's spam, but then that's just my opinion.--Chanting Fox 19:15, 14 May 2005 (UTC)


(disruptive?) voting

I answered your note on my user page, including explanation and a bit of apology. Barno 16:04, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Pioneer 12 block

Was Pioneer 12 given an official warning before the block was placed? If not, I believe the block should be lifted and a warning given instead. Kappa 15:48, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

This isn't a policy violation; he isn't doing anything wrong. He is in dispute with Misplaced Pages on licensing, and the block was placed to stop him making edits while he refuses to accept the terms and conditions of Misplaced Pages. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Blank page after closing?

Not sure why, but the bot left the page almost empty. Kappa 00:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Take a closer look at the Wikicode. If you know anything about HTML comments, an HTML comment begins with <!-- and ends with -->. The reason why the bot blank the page was not its fault. It was because someone took out the > in the first HTML comment that says: <!-- New votes to the bottom, please. --. -- AllyUnion (talk) 00:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Boo Koo

I greatly appreciate your support. I'm grateful. Thanks. Some people are stupid, though, honestly. YEAH! It survived! Wahoo.....

Compromise on schools

See Misplaced Pages:Watch/schoolwatch. But you probably noticed already. We really need to give another shot to that compromise, don't you agree? Radiant_* 11:27, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Delete and redirects of my comments?

Would you care to place my comments somewhere, delete them from the Schools and Neutrality's poll, and post redirects? I'm still learning policy here, and frankly, it's just that I don't have the time to find, read, and understand the proper place for this and then learn the mechanics of doing so right now. You could post a note, "moved by request of author; please see new location of page" and I would certainly appreciate it, even if it's onto a user subpage of mine. Maybe later I could return the favor somehow? I hope that this isn't asking too much.--Unfocused 17:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

  • OK I'll try and find the best place for it. Kappa 17:51, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I linked from the the consensus discussion to the poll, it should be OK for the moment at least. We'll have to accept some mess with these very similar debates happening simultaneously. Kappa 18:06, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Beyond Lies the Wub

Hi there! Actually i've never read the book, I just saw a friend reading it and liked the bizarre name so much. I'll probably get around to reading it someday though. :-) --the wub (talk) 09:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Guidelines

"So all guidelines are presumed to have consensus?" - well, yes. If you see a guideline and think there is insufficient consensus for it, you should consider marking it as 'how-to' or 'proposed' instead (if appropriate), or addressing the matter on its talk page or some place public such as the village pump. Since your viewpoint tends to diverge from mine, I would appreciate it if you could check Category:Misplaced Pages guidelines and see if there's anything there you deem controversial. Radiant_* 10:48, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Random Page and Dreck

Yes, I saw your idea, and don't think it's a bad one. We could perhaps make random page only show articles that were longer than 2kb (or 4kb, or whatever) in length and had at least one external link.

I don't use random page much any more, but I used to use it for cleanup when I first started. I hit it twenty times just now, and was pretty impressed with the results. Six months ago I would have got quite a few stubs of tiny American villages (or cities, as they're optimistically known) or pokemon characters. This time I got none. I did get a few articles marked as "stub" but all were pretty good. One of the twenty articles was about a school. It was fine. No problems at all.

I don't think the random page button is a problem for stubs. Misplaced Pages is growing impressively. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:08, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm inclined to think that this is a problem off attitude that the Wikipedians in question can solve for themselves. It would be unwise to change Misplaced Pages just to appease their personal feelings, unless there really is a problem with Misplaced Pages--and I just don't see that at present. This was what I was tryingto get across in my piece, that I think there's a tendency to shudder and say to yourself "what is an article on *this* subject doing in Misplaced Pages?" I have learned to overcome that shudder and recognise that "I don't want (myself/others) to see this article when (I/they) come to Misplaced Pages" is a poor argument. I'd just press the button again. Nobody forces me to look at any article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Hurriganes copyvio

This was listed as a copyvio on the May 9 and I deleted it on the May 17, no temp page was listed. Someone did rewrite it and is was tagged for speedy on the 20th and it is not the same text as the copyvio and it appears that noone has speedied it, I really have no idea what you are accusing me of, but lay off.--nixie 03:43, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I assumed it was standard practice to mention "listed as copyvio since (date)" when deleting things for that reason. Also the comments on the talk page confused me. Kappa 03:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

About a little school sub-stub

Hi mate. I've seen you many times in VFD for High Schools, and I need a bit of advice. I have just noticed this article: Teaneck High School. Obviously, as it stands now, it is horrible, but I think it might have some potential to grow into a decent article. Do you know of any place I can get this into attention without putting it in VFD? (which surely always gets a lot of attention...) Sarg 18:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

It got marked for speedy because it was linkspam. I did a very brief cleanup. Enough that it won't get speedied, at least. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:37, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Gangsta Walk Award

File:Truthug.jpg
WHITE DAWG Gangsta Walk Award

Congratulations Dawg, you have just received the WHITE DAWG Gangsta Walk Award for your brave defense of all things crunk & thug. -BrowardDawgg 18:45, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

School discussion

Hi there! I've summarized the lengthy Misplaced Pages:Schools discussion and listed the statements that got approval from most people. I believe it's been a constructive page, and WikiProject Schools has benefitted from the revitalization. Anyway please take a look at it and write on the talk page if you found this acceptable. Also I'd appreciate some help in keeping any future VfD discussions on this matter from getting out of hand (I'm not entirely sure how, but we could set a good example by casting concise votes referring to /Arguments). Yours, Radiant_* 11:00, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Best high schools

Thanks for making the Jefferson County International Baccalaureate School article and linking it to the Best High Schools list - I'm thinking of moving the list to the main article namespace - what do you think? -- BDAbramson 16:15, 2005 May 30 (UTC)

  • It would definitely make an interesting article, especially if it discussed the criteria used and criticisms of it. Kappa 20:20, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Utada Hikaru Single Collection 1

Thanks for merging this; I added the "merge" tag more as a reminder to myself to do it, because I suddenly found that I had to dash to College, so it was nice to discover that I'd been saved a job. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:37, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Polydeism

Hi Kappa. Please vote on Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Polydeism. It was someone's vanity/original research article, but since it's been listed on vfd, I've put fair labor into making it a legit article. Cheers, -- BDAbramson 02:07, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

A little "have a look" suggestion

Considering you gave me a similar heads up recently, I thought you might enjoy Jimbo Wales's own comments regarding school articles and deletionism in general:

I inserted this into the page Misplaced Pages:Schools/Arguments#Keep but don't expect the delete voters to ever see it there. --Unfocused 16:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I forgot to mention, I scarfed it from User Talk:Alkivar. Credit where due, and such. --Unfocused 16:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good Luck

Hi Kappa - I just wanted to tell you I think your edits are top-notch. Thanks for your work on Misplaced Pages and good luck with your vote on administratorship. Johntex 13:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Overdue deletion of uncertified RfC

Kappa, on 10 APR 2005 an RfC was initiated that was never certified by two people. Since you were the subject of that RfC, I was wondering if you want it kept. If so, please let me know or edit the RfC's talk page to indicate your wishes. If you do not want it kept, I will delete it per policy. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 05:45, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Is it possible to move it to a user page, and delete the redirect? Kappa 15:34, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Done. The new location of that page is User:Kappa/Records, and the resulting redirects (page and talk page) have been deleted. Of course, you may feel free to move/rename it from here as you choose. SWAdair | Talk 04:40, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

school-district-stub?

I've suggested the creation of a specific {{school-district-stub}} tag over at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#School-district-stub. You've been creating some school district articles recently, maybe you could comment. Kappa 18:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm currently tagging them with school-stub, and I think this is best. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD

Just letting you know about Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/HYP (universities) 2. If you have an opinion, please vote. I am notifying people who have been active on either side of the debate. —Lowellian (talk) 23:49, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

First name disambiguation pages

I am coming to you because you voted on Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Alessandra. Following the listing of Alessandra for deletion, some users are now going through first name disambiguation pages throughout Misplaced Pages, seeking to either delete them or to remove names. These users cite the following text in the Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation policy:

  • In most cases, do not list names of which Title is a part, unless the persons are very frequently referred to simply by their first or last name (e.g. Shakespeare, Galileo).

I believe that part of the policy should be changed. The reasons include those I've already stated in my comments on Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Alessandra. To elaborate further, I believe this policy is inherently contradictory to the policy on Misplaced Pages:Redirect, which states that redirects should not be deleted if:

  • They aid searches on certain terms.
  • Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful — this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Misplaced Pages in different ways.

To see how this situation is similar to that for first-name disambiguation pages, we can consider the page Noam, which serves as a perfect example. Examining the page history of Noam, we see that the article started out as a redirect to Noam Chomsky (who is not commonly known by his first name). This page was then changed to a redirect to Noam Federman, at which point an edit war began between two users with the users changing the redirect back and forth between Noam Chomsky and Noam Federman. The obvious solution to this edit war, which I implemented, was to turn the redirect page into a disambiguation page for people named Noam.

By the logic of the policy quoted above on Misplaced Pages:Redirect, the redirect should not be deleted. But that leads to disputes over the most famous usage of a particular name. Disambiguations prevent exactly this problem, yet by the logic of the policy quoted above from Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation, the disambiguation page that solves this problem should be deleted!

This is why the policy stated above on Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation is poorly-thought out and unacceptable. Would you be willing to join me in pointing out these concerns on the talk page for Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation and working to change the policy so that first name disambiguation pages are acceptable? Please let me know. Thanks.

—Lowellian (talk) 13:20, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

gauze

hey thanks, i found some more info on the bands lineup, and i am pretty sure the band has toured in the US. i will keep you posted. Marxxxx 20:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC).

Pity

A pity that your RFA failed. But look at the bright side: a very clear majority of users here approve of what you're doing. I must say, I'm a bit uneasy with people touting "inclusionism" (or "deletionism" for that matter) as a reason for opposing adminship since I don't feel it ought to be a vote over "Wiki-Political" opinions. Ah well, I hope you'll try again later. I think that a good article to boast about in the main article namespace, and perhaps someone to sponsor your nomination (since self-noms are tougher) should do the trick. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks for that, and especially thanks for defencing me in the RfA. I was also disappointed to see the 'extreme inclusionist' votes, but it's quite educational. Kappa 08:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your support for Images of Feces. Can I also encourage you to register your vote on the Talk:Feces page? The vote is very close. The censors might ban all photos of poop. Eyeon 13:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Tongrentang

Kappa, thanks for your vote (and your comment) on Tong Ren Tang - but you forgot to sign it! -- BDAbramson 00:41, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages: How to do votes for deletion help

Thank you! YKahn 17:21, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • No problem :) {{welcome}} to wikipedia. Kappa 17:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. Since you've previously nominated yourself I added an '*' immediately before your name in this list. If for any reason you're NOT interested, my apologies and please remove the '*' (you could entirely remove yourself from the list also, if you'd like). I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:32, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

  • LOL perhaps I should have waited instead of self-noming. Never mind... Kappa 19:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • On the other hand, there's no guarantee anyone will look at the list I'm putting together. It's actually generated some pretty direct criticism. Seems like some folks assume most high edit users are by definition untrustworthy (which makes no sense to me, but I'm a pretty high edit user myself) - and I really don't get what "golden prose" has to do with being an admin. Shouldn't folks who CAN write featured articles be slapped around for wasting time on RC patrol? -- Rick Block (talk) 23:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

== re: [[Ã?レビæ

Levocetirizine

On the Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Levocetirizine debate you voted "Keep, notable antihistimine. Vfd is not cleanup." You did notice that the reason I brought it to VFD was because it had been tagged for a speedy and I didn't agree with that, didn't you? Cheers, Sjakkalle (Check!) 28 June 2005 07:30 (UTC)

  • I was thinking someone might vote "delete unless expanded" or something. Thanks for taking it out of CSD. Kappa 28 June 2005 07:35 (UTC)

A first?

Is this the first time you have cast a swing delete vote? Well, perhaps it might be candidate for undeletion if some sources can be provided verifying the content of the article.

I will soon be taking an extended Wikibreak, so good luck if another RFA is opened for you while I'm gone. Maybe you can refer to that debate the next time someone calls you an "extreme inclusionist". :-) Sjakkalle (Check!) 1 July 2005 10:13 (UTC)

  • Occasionally I have to vote "delete" against other people's "keep"s if things look unverifiable, or are unencyclopedic definitions, random people etc. I'm pretty sure no sources will show up for that article... enjoy your wikibreak, I hope it's not too extended, wp needs friendly, diplomatic people like yourself. Kappa 1 July 2005 10:44 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Pokémon Adoption Center (threaded)

Hi there! On June 1, you voluenteered to improve a POKéMON stub and were assigned Wooper. I notice you haven't made any edits to this article since then, so I wanted to know if you were still interested in going through with this.

If not, please let us know and we will put Wooper back up for adoption. If you still want to participate, we will keep the article assigned to you, or, if you request it, we can assign you to another article. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 1 July 2005 10:44 (UTC)

  • Sorry I think I'll have to abandon Wooper, I guess I just don't have enough background knowledge. Kappa 5 July 2005 11:09 (UTC)

Dave Grohl

How do you know that dave went to Annandale High School? He was also a drop out

Dave Grohl

How do you know that dave went to Annandale High School? He was also a drop out. Jobe6 July 3, 2005 21:00 (UTC)

  • I got it from here but that seems to be wrong, thanks for spotting it. Kappa 3 July 2005 21:10 (UTC)
  • Also that's what it says in the Dave Grohl article... Kappa 3 July 2005 21:12 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3

PBurka pointed out that an important omission from this proposal: a band could meet WP:MUSIC criterion #5 (sharing a member with a famous band) and still be speedily deletable by this criterion. I've added a sentence to the proposal to reflect this: it now reads An article about a musician or music group that does not assert having released at least one album, nor having had media coverage, nor having a member that is or was also part of a well-known music group. If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to VFD instead. I believe you voted for different reasons, but you may want to vote on the alternative proposal as well. I'm sorry for the confusion. Yours, Radiant_>|< July 5, 2005 09:59 (UTC)

CSD Proposal 3-B

You voted or commented on Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-B or Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-A or both. I have proposed a revised version, at Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-C. This version is intended to address objections made by many of those oppsoed to 3-A or 3-B. The revised propsal refers explicitly and directly to the criteria at WP:MUSIC. If you have not already done so, please examine the revised proposal and vote on it also. Thank you. DES 6 July 2005 05:35 (UTC)

School VfD- a few thoughts

Hey, I just wanted to reply to your VfD comment (I thought that this would be a more appropriate place to do it. First off, Jimbo's comments also said that we would react differently if someone did 10000 one-liners. Well, a lot of schools that were listed for deletion were one-liners, and I think in those cases the nominators were jumped on rather unfairly by people reciting the "all schools are notable" credo. Also, though Jimbo may be God-King, I don't treat his every comment as Gospel. Secondly, from Misplaced Pages:Vanity page (I know, it's just a guideline)- "Usually, vanity authors write about themselves, their significant others, or their high schools." Thus, I don't think all schools deserve the protection they're getting- IMHO, some of them are vanity. I don't view myself as a deltionist (feel free to disagree with my self-assessment), but I would like to see a greater emphasis on quality over quantity at Misplaced Pages. I think this push to include every school on the planet undermines that. Sorry for the rant, and don't worry, I'm not going to carry on the anti-school crusade as others have done. The community's opinion differs from my own, and I respect the consensus view. --Scimitar 6 July 2005 21:18 (UTC)

  • My point in using that quote was just relating to "vanity", because Jimbo explicitly used the example of writing about his own high school. With regard to quality vs quantity, I feel that widening and deepening wikipedia's coverage increases the total quality of information available, although it may make it harder to hit a top-quality article with "random page". Kappa 6 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for removing User:Ril-'s bizarre disambig headers, and thank you generally for you steadfast support for articles on Bible verses. I'm not sure what you think about the related full text issue, but -Ril- has also just gone through Category:New Testament chapters removing all the Bible quotes. If you are going to go through that category removing the disambig headers you might consider restoring the text at the same time. - SimonP July 9, 2005 18:55 (UTC)

If you want the link to work, its User:-Ril-. ~~~~ 9 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)
  • Yes, on reflection the text probably belongs in some form because the individual sentences have been analysed. Kappa 9 July 2005 19:13 (UTC)
    • Thank you. I find the full text most useful as a table of contents to the verse articles. Without the text would be almost impossible for any but the very knowledgeable to find which verse of Matthew 5 contains "the meek will inherit the earth", for instance. - SimonP July 9, 2005 19:21 (UTC)
Note that "meek" means "keeps oneself to oneself", i.e. does not flood wikipedia with articles about bible chapters and verses. ~~~~ 9 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)

This is a note to inform you that proxy editing on behalf of a user to circumvent rules is forbidden by order of the arbitration committee. The above request by SimonP for you to revert the selected articles constitutes a request to proxy edit to circumvent the 3RR rule. ~~~~ 9 July 2005 19:26 (UTC)

  • I am not a "proxy editor", SimonP asked me to exercise my judgement, and I did so. However looking at the WP:3RR it says "the 3RR specifically does not apply to groups", perhaps that part should taken out. Kappa 19:52, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Undeletion

Why did you move to undelete Nudity in The Simpsons? There was little positive attention; even Keep voters thought it was trivia. I would prefer it forgotten. CanadianCaesar 23:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

"Homophobia"

I'm a rather open gay guy, so your accusation of "homophobia" is just a bit...dumb, sweetie. I was making fun of you voting Keep on every lint ball under your sofa. Mike H (Talking is hot) 15:22, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

I assume that your comment in the VFD about Gay cruising grounds in Britain refers to your belief that I would somehow support gay bashing? What exactly makes you think so? - Skysmith 19:07, 14 July 2005 (UTC)¨


Comunlang VFD-2

You are receiving this notice due to a consideration that has come up during a VFD for the article Comunleng. As there was no clear consensus in Comunleng's previous VfD, it has been nominated again. Please see Votes for deletion/Comunleng 2 for comments. The Literate Engineer 01:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


Cricket on VfD

Hiya. You previously voted 'keep' on the VfD for Nottinghamshire_v_Yorkshire_26_June_2005 and other subarticles of 2005 English cricket season. I just wanted to let you know that these pages have promptly been put back up for deletion, this time at Misplaced Pages:Votes_for_deletion/Essex_v_Glamorgan_15_May_2005. Those of us who have worked on these articles would value your continued support. Thanks and best wishes. --Ngb 19:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Sunshine Coast Grammar School

I'm somewhat stung by your assertion that I bit a newbie when tagging this near-contentless article for speedy deletion. I go out of my way to help newbies. Tagging an article as a speedy isn't biting anyone. In fact, I voted to keep a school article earlier today, specifically Woodham High School. I would appreciate it if you'd reconsider your comment. Thanks. - Lucky 6.9 06:34, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

  • I will have to give your statement "Tagging an article as a speedy isn't biting anyone" some thought, because it's entirely the opposite of my beliefs. Kappa 06:36, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate your concerns and I'll certainly keep them in mind before pulling the trigger. - Lucky 6.9 00:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

No(ta)bility

Hi Kappa. It seems that I see your name most often when you vote to keep something and I vote to delete it, so we disagree more often than not -- but no hard feelings, I hope. Anyway, you might be amused by a look at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Albrecht Prinz von Croy, where I find myself in a "keep" minority. There's something very screwy about this one -- but I can't put my finger on what it is, exactly. It doesn't bother me (I won't much care if the article survives or disappears), and indeed I find it rather funny somehow. (But how?)

No reason to reply; but if you'd like to reply, please do so here. -- Hoary 13:12, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Dolphin (Plymouth pub)

regarding this exchange on VfD/Dolphin:

  • Delete. It's still just a little pub, folks. Should we start an article for the footbridge in Monet's Water Lilies next? Fernando Rizo T/C 16:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep The pub is a landmark of the Plymouth waterfront. People all over Britain Instantly recognise her paintings.
    • Yeah, it's just a bridge, I guess no-one needs to know who designed it or what style it is. Ignorance is bliss. Kappa 17:08, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
      • Nice personal attack, there. Fernando Rizo T/C 18:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
        • Nice way to avoid responding... Kappa 18:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Your implication that I'm advocating ignorance is rude and un-called for. I am making the point that not every object in a painting is notable; that should be self-evident. I don't feel that I need to respond to your comment vis-a-vis the VfD debate because I think that my point still stands. If you want to debate the substance of my remark, by all means do so; don't call me ignorant. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

  • I'm not calling you ignorant, but I am saying you don't seem to care about other people's access to knowledge. Personally I would very much like to be able to find information about that bridge in wikipedia, and you want to deprive me of that. Thanks a lot. Kappa 19:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry if I hit a nerve with your deeply-held desire to learn more about the bridge in Water Lilies, but your comment was rude. You could have conveyed the same meaning with a much more civil sentence. I don't think there's anywhere else to go but down with this discussion, and from your tone I can't imagine that an apology is forthcoming. I'll read your reply but I consider this conversation finished after that. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Schools argument

So now "don't bite the newbies" is an argument not to nominate articles for deletion? Last I checked the majority of articles nominated for deletion are by newbies; often they don't understand procedure very well, and don't know what material is appropriate for Misplaced Pages. I don't nominate school articles for deletion since I know that even micro-stubs will be defended by the pro-school movement. However, if someone nominates a school article based on the grounds that the article is poorly written, lacking in info, etc., they're well within their rights to do so. And anyone else who feels that the material is inappropriate for Wikipdeia is also within their rights to vote delete, even if it is written by a newbie. The '"don't bite" argument seems a trifle ridiculous to me. --Scimitar 15:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

    • Since school articles and will be fixed and kept, we have the choice of being friendly and just doing so, and being unfriendly, nominating it for deletion, fighting about it, and keeping it anyway. The particular case when I mention "don't bite the newbies" as a reason for keeping is one where an article was tagged for speedy deletion, which is totally newbie-hostile since it gives no explanation or chance to respond. Kappa 16:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

RfC Tony Sidaway

This one caught me by surprise. I'm considering taking the issue of my practice as VfD closer to arbitration committee with a view to having myself de-opped (don't worry, I'd be quite happy as an editor so I'm not about to leave Misplaced Pages). Before I do that, though, I want to have some input on whether my approach to closing a VfD is really so unorthodox as to be beyond the reach of human understanding. --Tony Sidaway 18:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Maoririder

Maoririder is adding nano-stubs on schools all over the place. I'm not putting them up for VfD, because I'd be yelled at by the pro-school crowd. I don't want to speedy them, since that would result in worse yelling, and I'm not fixing them because I don't have any interest in them and personally feel they aren't suitable for Misplaced Pages. Is there a place where you pro-school guys list school articles needing improvement? --Scimitar 17:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Try User:GRider/Schoolwatch. Kappa 18:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks like Scimitar beat me to you.  :) One of the nanostubs in question was at Andover Elementary School. Real tiny place; no website. Not much I could glean online, either. Thought you might want to take a whack at standardizing it since you do far more school articles than I. It's a serviceable stub for now, but only just. Someone might very well do some RC patrolling and hit it with a VfD notice. Oh, and thanks for the compliment on the Cloverhill Bakery VfD. I really appreciate it. - Lucky 6.9 23:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Keller Williams

Hi. On what grounds doesn't Keller Williams Realty not meet the speedy deletion criteria? This is pure advertising Tonywalton 15:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD for Politics1.com

I have noticed that you often vote keep. Maybe you want to could take look at this VfD? Misplaced Pages:Votes_for_deletion/Politics1.com ;) Punkmorten 18:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Thank you, I nearly missed that one... the media coverage proves it's notable, its a good example of the failure of the google test. Kappa 18:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)