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CfD nomination of Category:WikiCommonSense

I have nominated Category:WikiCommonSense (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. ZimZalaBim 22:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I am banned from Misplaced Pages namespace so I cannot come to participate in the discussion. I guess there is no WikiCommonSense, so you might as well delete the category! Igor Berger (talk) 22:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Igor - as El_C clearly indicates above ... feel free to edit Misplaced Pages space if it involves yourself. That is a common sense extension of your current topic ban. In this case Category:WikiCommonSense clearly involves your previous edits and does not look as if you have convoluted the situation to become involved - so you should feel free to comment as requested.--VS 22:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the offer. I will come over to add a few pithy words. Igor Berger (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Rachel63

While based on their editing history Rachel63 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) may be a sock of Bsharvy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) this is not confirmed by checkuser, although they do edit from the same country. Squatt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), on the other hand is the same editor as Bsharvy as confirmed by checkuser. Fred Talk 23:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Fred, I knew that Squatt is Bsharvy from the edit style. Rachel could be his other account work vs. home that he uses to proxy himself. Igor Berger (talk) 23:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Israel

See Talk:Israel#BBS News link. -- tariqabjotu 12:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed edits

Misplaced Pages:Autoconfirmed Proposal has been made already and, although I think it would be an excellent idea, it was sadly rejected by the community. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You need to get commonsense editors on board. Talk to this guy User:Equazcion and see what he says. I think before running a proposal through, enough people need to support it. There is such a thing as consensus shopping and canvasing, but there is also IAR. So we have to evolve, same like evolution..:) Igor Berger (talk) 17:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to comment on article quoting you

I have decided to write, in my own good time, an article about certain "recent experiences" related to Misplaced Pages.

I shall assume that your true name is Igor Berger.

In the above-referenced article, I shall quote, in whole or in part, your post to the "User talk" page of Tim Vickers, under the heading "evolution," dated "2 April 2008."

In the interest of fairness, and in accordance with journalistic ethics, I shall provide you with a copy of this article, prior to publication, for the purpose of feedback. I shall provide this copy through any channel that you wish (e-mail; surface post); however, I shall not provide this copy via Misplaced Pages "User talk." Should you choose to decline this invitation, then I shall simply report this as fact: e.g. "Igor Berger declined the author's invitation to comment." However, I shall consider the fact of your "non-response" to this invitation as subject for "fair comment" in the article.

Leroy W. Demery, Jr.

Ldemery (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem commenting on your article. What I wrote about vandalism still stands. Misplaced Pages should not be abused by users who want to push their POV in making articles against consensus. With regurds to evolution I do believe we are God's children and there is parrelel relationship between evolution and genesis. But if Misplaced Pages by consensus does not see that as relevent to the article, an editor does not need to play hide and seek, using sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry to elude and deceive the community. You are not here to edit war each other. Please write your article off Misplaced Pages and let me know when you are ready and I will be more than glad to comment. While you are at it, you may want to read this article Level of support for evolution Regards, Igor Berger (talk) 22:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Branded Asset Management

The original CSD nom wasn't mine, but I agree that the article has potential.--Deadly∀ssassin 06:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I did some wikifying on it. If you find any online resources add them in. Igor Berger (talk) 07:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I googled it, and unfortunately I can only come up with some corporate sites. --Deadly∀ssassin 07:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, we do not want to taint the article with some corporate Spam. The area is relatively new. Big corps still think supply and demand not customer service. So better leave it as is. I found this Brand management, which we may want to link from to this article and vise versa. Also searching for "brand management" you may find a bit more resources. Igor Berger (talk) 07:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Please Stop Edit Warring on Anti-Americanism

I don't understand you. You complain about large edits made without dicussion or consensus, then you participate in an edit war over a large edit made without discussion or consensus. The article has focussed on anti-Americanism as a form of prejudice for as far back as I can research. It stated its topic was prejudice well over a year ago, as I pointed out to you on the Talk page. The longstanding consensus has been that it is primarily about a kind of bias against American policies/culture/people. So why are you suddenly insisting, with very little discussion, that the paragraph be hacked in the name of consensus? Life.temp (talk) 03:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the discussion on article's talk page. I reverted your edits per discussion on Talk:Anti-Americanism‎ Igor Berger (talk) 04:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

My topic is your behavior, so it seems better not to clutter the Talk page of the article. You did not revert "per discussion" because the discussion has not reached an agreement yet. Please wait for (or contribute to) consensus. Life.temp (talk) 00:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The love

Just doing my part And thanks for the acknowledgment. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

George W. Bush

Rolling Stone is probably not a good source for evaluating US presidencies.JackWilliams (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not think it is just Rolling Stones opinion. In the article it states, "In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure."" But I do understand your consern about the source. Can we find another source, because it is true that he is the worse president. Igor Berger (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is Washingtonpost says the same. Igor Berger (talk) 23:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Who is the worst President is a matter of opinion, not fact. Are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't think that President Bush is the worst President ever is simply wrong? --SMP0328. (talk) 23:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

With respect to history, it is not an opinion. If you do not feal comfortable with my edit, bring it to the article talk page and let's get a consensus. Igor Berger (talk) 23:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is another link by a Ph.D. in American history Just do a Google search "Bush the worst president in us history" You going to get tons of sources per WP:V, WP:N, and WP:RS. Igor Berger (talk) 00:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I have clarified your wording to make it clear that those two people feel that President Bush is the worst President ever. That's the fact. Please don't POV push anymore. --SMP0328. (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm pretty sure you can't use fair use images on your userpage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.12.159 (talk) 01:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

There are editors here who want to remove your reference to that poll. This is to give you a chance to respond. --SMP0328. (talk) 01:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up, but nothing I can do, but is protected..:) Igor Berger (talk) 01:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Trolls

Hello. Feel free to bring this up on the article's talk page. --McGeddon (talk) 12:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay I will repost the text to the article's talk page. Igor Berger (talk) 12:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Nijongo do deska?

Umaku narimashta? Moshi shitsuya areba, boku ni kite kudasai. Oshiyete ageru. Mata Ne! Igor Berger (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Konninchi wa. Watashi ni ha wakarimasen. -- Cat 15:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Daijobu, ima kara! Shiro neko - white cat gambate, Nijongo benkio shte. Soshtara, Nijon ni kuru toki wa, omoshiroy ni naru..:) Igor Berger (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Re Star Trek image

Tuvok 17:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Testing maybe...

I see your point. I didn't understand at first, but...he's looking for a block. Cheers, Lindsay 22:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Was blocked for a month. I would have indefed him, but the blocking admin only gave him a month. Terable case of vandalism. Igor Berger (talk) 22:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Social network aggregation

its been on the talk page all day, buddy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.36.147.198 (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Not EVERYTHING has to go through consensus discussion. That info is in violation of policy, as it is just original research - an opinion as to why something exists. 128.36.147.198 (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It is not a WP:CSD deletion. If you want to propose deleting the article, nominate it for WP:AFD. And please stop vandalizinf the article, just because you do not like or agree with it. Follow the Misplaced Pages policy. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 18:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

SHOW ME where I put it up for CSD? You CAN'T! I did a prod and then an AFD. So stop saying otherwise. I just did what you said to do (before you erased the messages from your talk page.) Angrysusan (talk) 18:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Social network aggregation

I see you and Angrysusan going back and forth on the AfD tag placed on this article, and I'd suggest leaving the AfD tag there. The best place to discuss this would be on the AfD discussion that is now ongoing which is linked in the actual AfD tag. Please do not remove this tag, as this is not a vandal edit. Wildthing61476 (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I must have missed it when he AfD it. I was reverting his CSD and told him AfD, but he would not listen and kept edit warring with me and vandalizing the article and my talk page. Igor Berger (talk) 18:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

SHOW ME THE CSD you claim to have seen. I guarantee there isn't one in the edit history. Angrysusan (talk) 18:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

here under User:128.36.147.198 before you created your user id.

That link is to one your removals of a talk page message. That IP address shows not edits where a CSD was placed on this article. You're wrong, just admit it.Angrysusan (talk) 19:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Stop Trolling my page or I will ask for a block. Go about you business. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 19:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: User talk:JzG

No. You shouldn't be asking for a block. It's not sockpuppetry for an IP to register an account in order to start an AfD. And not that it matters, but they never tried to CSD the article. They tried to Prod it before finally taking it to AfD. Will you please just let the issue drop now? Maybe focus on the AfD instead of Angrysusan. --Onorem♠Dil 19:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I do not need a headech. I will drop it. I just do not want the editor Trolling my page. Check the history from IP=editor form my talk page and the article page. Sorry I got confused by the template of pro and CSD, but I did say to IP AfD it, and di not realize that the IP=editor was nominating for AfD. To many reverts till he listened to me. The issue is droped. Thanks, Igor Berger (talk) 19:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Stopping trolling on your talk page is easy. Just remove any comments you don't like, rather than answering them. You're allowed to do that here. Equazcion •✗/C • 19:24, 9 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, wish you would have came earlier..:) It must have been 30 edits between my page and the article. Igor Berger (talk) 19:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Two admins declined speedy. So I was following the consensus of the article here Igor Berger (talk) 19:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, no, you weren't, because AfD tags are never supposed to be removed, despite previous failed CSDs. You made a mistake, thinking you were removing another speedy or prod tag. Equazcion •✗/C • 19:34, 9 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Yes I made a mistake removing AfD. I would never remove one..:) But with the amount of edits by the editor made me confused. I told the editor to AfD on his first speddy, but he kep edit warring with me. Hate this drama! I realized that I removed AfD when another good faith editor made me alert of it. Igor Berger (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Chomsky

If you disagree with Chomsky as a WP:V WP:RS, then YOU challenge the inclusion of the material in article, don't present a hatchet job WP:SYN within the article to make your point. If other WP:RS have different views OF THE TOPIC than Chomsky does (not different views of Chomsky, he is not the subject of the article), by all means include the views of THE TOPIC (which, as I have stated again and again in the talk page, is not 'Chomsky's views of US Terrorism'- it is the actions considered State Sponsored Terrorism). Misplaced Pages articles are not the place for Ann Coulter-style attacks about the source of material in the article.

I carefully reviewed the material that Ultra, you and Jtrainer have been trying to push into the article against concensus, but there was nothing in that material that was salvageable. Try finding some other source. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 22:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I do get what you saying. And I am not pushing anything, but trying to help establish NPOV. Should we maybe take out Chomsky all together? Igor Berger (talk) 22:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

No. Chomsky is RS and V and commenting on US Terrorism. Find a source that is commenting on items that people have called terrorism and saying that the acts are not terrorism, or (directly applicable to the Chomsky sitation), saying that a particular terrorist act was NOT committed by US. BUT the focus for NPOV is on the topic of the article (US Terrorism) NOT Chomsky. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. But we need to go back to the old title and talk about Allegations of State terrorism by the United States. Also some of Chomsky referencing text is vague, so unless it can be expanded to have some examples of what are ASTUA (referenced) they should be removed. Like Chomsky about Nicaragua bit, is unsupported with what is ASTUA there. The Army manual thing is good! Igor Berger (talk) 22:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

All Comments from You on My Talk Page Will Be Deleted

You seem to spend all your time edit warring. I find you impossible to work with. You need to give reasons for things, not just repeat your conclusions over and over. Life.temp (talk) 03:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You can include me in this promise as well, Igor. I'm pretty sick of your lashing out at everyone whenever you're criticized, and I'd rather not deal with it anymore. Equazcion •✗/C • 11:48, 10 Apr 2008 (UTC)

And you seem to not want to be criticized as well. And I did not lash out at you as you eloquently put it, but I contested your edits. But you are taking it personally. Now please respect my edits. Igor Berger (talk) 11:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

"I do not agree to this massive deletion."

"I do not agree to this massive deletion." -- That's all you needed to say. For some reason you chose instead to request protection when you saw something happening that you didn't like, but I hope you see now that this wasn't the best thing to do. Next time just voice your opinion. Don't jump to protection, AfD, ANI, dispute resolution, etc. Just talk. It works, sometimes. Equazcion •✗/C • 10:56, 10 Apr 2008 (UTC)

SNOMP

Hi. I have tried to revert this load of original research by the editor, but you beat me to it. SNOMP does not Google at all in relation to the editor's perception of what it means. Not one hit. Well done. Ref (do) 13:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they think getting it in Misplaced Pages first, then starting the business..:) No problem, I have a lot of social stuff on my radar. If you know about social media go see AFD one article needs help. Igor Berger (talk) 13:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Been there, done that, voted Keep with re-write. User had even started removing references to it in "See also" sections, which I also reverted. A bit WP:CRYSTAL as far as the result of the AfD goes. Social network aggregation, right? Ref (do) 14:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean. It is also hard to do things in commonsense. I think we all come from different walks of life and to do things in a constructive matter is a bit difficult because we all have our predispositions. Well let's hope it is a keep. Igor Berger (talk) 14:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

AA

Weeks or months, there will just be warring when it's unlocked. I didn't just take an interest--I've been watching it for three years and have the most edits to it (last I checked). The best we can achieve is semi-stability. I would rather actively edit, tightening the screws on sourcing and making it hard to mount a delete argument against sections. Marskell (talk) 11:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Great, okay I will leave it in your hands. I am glad I was not alone in this. Thank you, now I feel better and can go back to watching my regular soaps, Geraldo Rivera..:) Igor Berger (talk) 12:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, see for instance: User:Marskell/Sandbox. A short, sourced section that covers both recent events and wider history. Marskell (talk) 12:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Social network aggregation

Pic

Not that it isn't terrible, but the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are generally not estimated above 150,000. What concerns me is moving from "this is anti-Americanism" to "here are historical justifications for anti-Americanism." It should be done carefully. Marskell (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. My father in law is from Samurai family and he told me with the firebombings and radiation deaths - 10 mil. Read the article:

Of roughly 100,000 deaths, provided by Japanese and American authorities, both of whom may have had reasons of their own for minimizing the death toll, seems to me arguably low in light of population density, wind conditions, and survivors' accounts. With an average of 103,000 inhabitants per square mile and peak levels as high as 135,000 per square mile, the highest density of any industrial city in the world, and with firefighting measures ludicrously inadequate to the task, 15.8 square miles (41 km²) of Tokyo were destroyed on a night when fierce winds whipped the flames and walls of fire blocked tens of thousands fleeing for their lives. An estimated 1.5 million people lived in the burned out areas.

1.5 million Japanese civilians died by Firebombing of Tokyo in World War II Igor Berger (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course this has a rise of Anti-Americanism in Japan, but Japanese people suppress their emotions and do not speak out. Remember toda they are still quazi-colonialized by America. Igor Berger (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can start a new article later on. Alleged atracities commited by the United States There is enough material out there to build this. It would be a good article for project discrimination and project politics. Igor Berger (talk) 20:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Life.temp

I don't really care which process you use to make your accusations. Just don't try to hinder his efforts by accusing him whenever he comments someplace like an article talk page or village pump. If you want to go to RfC/U instead on ANI, be my guest. Just don't harass. Equazcion •✗/C • 22:12, 12 Apr 2008 (UTC)