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Sermons of Dean Swift
Just a quick note to say that I just spotted Sermons of Dean Swift, which seems to be all your work, and thought I'd just drop a quick note to say that it's a great article. Elegantly written and comprehensively referenced, I immediately assessed it as B-class, but I'm sure that it would fly through a good article assessment if you chose to submit it, and it is probably v close to featured article standard. Good work! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
- "In these sermons, Swift attempted to impart tradition Church of Ireland values upon his listeners in a simplistic manner."? "Tradition Church of Ireland values?" Would one perhaps mean "traditional?" Would one perhaps know what these "traditional" values are? Can one perhaps be sure that they were intended to be "simplistic?" To be "simple," of course. To be "simplistic?" To intentionally deny their subtlety and to be reductive? That's quite a claim, and I wonder if "2" says so. Do try to be fair to the Dean, if at all possible. Never mind, I see that #2 is Temple Scott of 1903. Does the name Macaulay ring a bell? Geogre (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
- Unless you are saying that a few typos that came before others have come to the page to make sure that there weren't any is being unfair to Swift, then, well... But seeing as how you claimed that "because" can't be used to connect two independent clauses even though the dictionary clearly says that its a conjunction that does just those things and uses two independent clauses as an example... Ottava Rima (talk) 03:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the phrase is "simplistic manner", not "simplistic values", hence the use of "simplistic" as an adjective that modifies a noun. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- That was your quote, Bucky. "impart values in a simplistic manner" is the complete verb phrase you had. First, do you find that people impart values very often? I rarely see anyone impart values -- it sounds sloppy. The entire sentence is linguistically nil. To paraphrase: "In the sermons, Swift conveyed traditional Christian values in a clear and simple style." "Tradition" for "traditional" may or may not be a "typo," but "simplistic" is not, and "impart" is an evil verb, and the idea that there are "tradition Church of Ireland values" that are in some way distinguished from traditional CoE values, or even RCC values, is either chauvinist, bigoted, or ignorant.
- I've read Swift's sermons, of course. You know why not that many people write about the sermons? I assume you do, since you know everything. Well, they are not terrifically unusual sermons, and even in Swift's day his friends thought them remarkably unremarkable. Now, some people make the case that that was intentional. Some see it as "day job." Few discuss the literary merit of the sermons, although some will use a discussion of a sermon to illuminate a theme visible in other of Swift's works.
- What the sermons are not, by any means, is something uniquely CoI. The "values" in the sermons are just Christian. The doctrine would be CoI, if Swift discussed doctrine in his sermons.
- I came here to find out if you were as proud and obnoxious with everyone else as you had been with me. I saw the praise of the Sermons, so I went to read it. I couldn't get three sentences in before seeing more empty phrasing, archaic views, and then, Lord help us all, a list of each sermon with a summary. I couldn't conclude from that that you were as impenetrable to sense with others as with me, but I could see that you content yourself with Lord Emmsworth-style pontifical writing. I am glad that you have an interest in Swift. I am glad that you're reading. I wish you would avoid the crime Swift satirized most: pride. Geogre (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- "In these sermons, Swift attempted to impart tradition Church of Ireland values upon his listeners in a simplistic manner."? "Tradition Church of Ireland values?" Would one perhaps mean "traditional?" Would one perhaps know what these "traditional" values are? Can one perhaps be sure that they were intended to be "simplistic?" To be "simple," of course. To be "simplistic?" To intentionally deny their subtlety and to be reductive? That's quite a claim, and I wonder if "2" says so. Do try to be fair to the Dean, if at all possible. Never mind, I see that #2 is Temple Scott of 1903. Does the name Macaulay ring a bell? Geogre (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)