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Editing this page

Welcome! The following are the rules and guidelines for placing an edit on this page. As I expect to begin editing wikipedia heavily, the number of potential comments/criticisms generated requires use of an organized system of categorization.

General guidelines

First, it is important to organize the discussion page by user name

If your user name begins with any letter from the alphabet sequence A-M (of the traditionally arranged English alphabet), please place your comment using level 2 headline for the first letter of your user name preceding the comment subject, your alphabetical designation letter to be followed by a colon. The colon should be in the same font as the heading and placed directly after the first letter of your user name, followed by a space between the colon and the beginning of your comment subject in the level 2 headline. The text of your comment will naturally fall under the headline in unaltered wikipedia font and and text.

If your user name begins with any letter from the English alphabet sequence N-Z, please follow the instructions above. However, in addition, you must bold the first letter of your user name. This is designed to allow me to keep track, at a glance, of the statistical array of user names of wikipedians responding to my posts. The text of your comment will follow the headline in unaltered wikipedia editing font.

Other alphabetical user names absent

In the event that you are the first user of a given alphabetical designation to place a comment on this page, you must place those letters, in order, 1 per line, which precede the letter category designated for your user name. This will be done using the same font and heading style as prescribed in the section above, as though a person with that user name were in fact posting a comment themselves. Future users with a letter designation matching that of one created on the page, but not yet posted under, are required to amend the simple letter designation with the appropriate colon and comment title (see above), thus converting the bare letter to the first heading beginning with a user name of that appropriate letter designation.

Chronology

This will differ depending on whether you are initiating discourse on the user page, or responding to a post by me. If you have not received a post on your user talk page, with an official Snookerhorn signing (make sure to verify this!), you will place your comment on this page at the top of the others which begin the alphabetical category to which you belong. If, however, you are responding to a post of mine, you will place your comment at the bottom of those comments in the alphabetical category to which your user name belongs. In addition, you must copy and paste (no recreations!) the title of the comment to which you are responding. Following this, you must paste the official Snookerhorn signing (cannot be from SINEBOT), which will contain my user name, the designation "(talk)", followed by the time and date of the original comment. If you like, you may delete "(UTC)" or any similar designation from this string. You must place this on the first line, in bold, following your heading in order to have your comment read. The main text of your comment should thus begin on the second line (third line if including the level 2 heading) of your posted response. Please note that I will check to see if you are in fact responding to an earlier post (these are all catalogued and recorded, by me), and that the provisions of this guideline have been followed.

Instructions to remain at the top of the page, always

Except as otherwise provided in these rules, in no event will a user be permitted to post anything, comment or otherwise, above the text of these instructions (with the exception of questions or inquiries, see below). As the first user with an "A" designation should naturally begin the posting below the instructions (unless the A designation is in fact created by a non-A designated user, in the event of no A postings at the time of the non-A users post (see above)) it should be more or less simple to avoid a violation of this requirement. The first "A" designation post will occur no less than two standard lines (i.e. in traditional double-spaced format) from the end of these instructions. In the event these instructions are amended, it will be that user's permanent responsibility to ensure the appropriate spacing has been maintained and the comment is not deleted.

Questions or inquiries not covered by these instructions

In the event there is a question or comment about formatting not comprehended by these instructions, the user will post according to the following guidelines: With respect to formatting, all shall remain the same, except the user will post using the alphabetical designation of the first letter of a short title they have created to designate the nature of their question/inquiry. This short title should be succinct, descriptive, and comprehensive, and will be styled in the level 2 headline where the comment/response heading would otherwise appear. The inquiry must be indented using two "::" marks before the headline and text in order to appear here. All such posts will occur here, under the text of this very subheading (yes, the one you are reading right here!). This will create a de facto FAQ right in this section that other users can then reference in regard to questions that they themselves, may have.

All posts to be personally signed with typed user-name

At the end of every post to this discussion page, a user shall personally type their user name, in bold, regular sized (otherwise unaltered) font, after the text of their question/comment/response. This will operate as an affirmative verification of user identity and also an assertion of compliance with these rules. The hand-typed user name will be followed by a period, also in bold. After this period, immediately followed by a single space, the user will type the word "Verification" (in bold), followed by a colon (in bold). The user must then type the traditional four tildes in sequence to allow the signing bot to attach their user name via the wikipedia database.

Honest and poor attempts

The Honest and poor attempts section is hereby created. Should users fail to comport with the guidelines above, their respective contributions will be appropriately placed in either the honest or poor attempts sub-section of the "Honest and poor attempts" section. Outside of exigent circumstances, determined at the sole discretion of this user, those posts will remain unread by this user and will serve primarily as examples to other users of what not to do on this page. It is within the sole discretion of this user to determine whether the attempted post constitutes a "poor" or "honest" attempt. Editors who feel their contributions have been inappropriately categorized may appeal (see below) such placement, subject to the rules and guidelines for edits on this page (supra). In any event where a user intends not to comport with the guidelines of this page, but nonetheless intends to contribute, that user shall post directly to the "poor" section. Users of that section may post wherever they wish within that subsection, even in between the text other users' posts (i.e. there are no rules there). However, this user still retains discretion to remove improper, offensive, or inappropriate content that appears there. The honest and poor attempts section shall at all times remain below those posts that are sucessfully placed in accordance with these guidelines.

Appeals

Users who desire an appeal of any decision by this user must follow the proper format. The proper format consists of a post structured in accordance with the rules and guidelines above (e.g. proper user name categorization, chronology, etc.). Users wishing to appeal a decision are free to select and obtain help from those users (myself excluded) who have successfully posted messages to the main portion of this page. In the event an appeal is posted in the proper format, as evinced by an confirmation signed by Snookerhorn, the appealing user will then select a fellow user who has successfully posted to this page (i.e. a "non-attempt" user other than myself or any "non-attempt" user who assisted with the appeal). This selected user will sit on a panel along with myself, and a "non-attempt" user of my choosing. A majority (i.e. non-unanimous) vote will control all appeals. Appealing parties may request, and will receive, disclosure of any panel member's vote directly from that member of the panel. In the event an appeal is meritorious, the panel will then consider whether to move the appealed contribution into the "honest" attempt section, or to the successful posts (i.e. main) section, at the panel's discretion.

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D: Is this correct?

I've filled out the U.S. tax Form 1040 and its schedules completely by hand without outside assistance in the past (though I'm using a computer program now), but I'm still not entirely sure I'm following all of your convoluted rules correctly. Dtobias. Verification: *Dan T.* (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

===Welcome, Dtobias!===

Thank you for stopping by! It is most refreshing to see a user actually take the time to fulfill some simple requirements rather than complain about overcomplexity and whine that it cannot be done. Based on the title of your post, I was originally inclined to place your edit in the "Questions and inquiries" section. However, I notice that the text of your post is friendly in nature and generally does not contain a question with regard to the rules. In any case, let me welcome your warm thoughts and thank you for your contribution. When I was in the military, we learned that structure and organization are the key to all things strong, and it appears that you have both! I am sorry to hear about your taxes, but hopefully you will be rewarded for all of your hard work in completing the forms.Snookerhorn (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Honest and poor attempts

**Honest attempts section**

a bad direction....

Snooks... you're really not heading in a good direction... seriously - I'd love to help you enjoy this site, and engage with it productively, but I think there's a danger you may end up in trouble with the site's administrators if you continue in the vein you've been pursuing.... I wish you well, and would like to help, so please don't self immolate unless you absolutely want to! - Privatemusings. Verificaiton: Privatemusings (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

dammit! one 'honest' and one 'poor' - and everyone knows I'm much smarter than that reprobate Dan Tobias!! - well I tried - sorry it didn't work out.... Privatemusings (talk) 05:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

*Poor attempts section*

Hi Snooker......

I hope you don't mind me posting here - I thought I'd drop by with a small bit of advice which you could take or leave.... The truth is, that your approach to your user talk page is rather idiosyncratic (do have a look around mine, and others' pages - this one is a little unusual!) - it's interesting to see someone try something which on the face of of it looks kinda complex, but I'm afraid I don't really think it's a very good fit for the function a talk page generally fulfills.... which is for folk like me to drop notes like this in! You may be pleasantly surprised at how easy it can be to manage even a heavy load of messages, and there are certainly many wiki folk who will be more than happy to share their techniques and experiences with you.

Maybe give some thought to loosening the rules and reg.s a little, and I'd certainly hope you could understand that many passers by will be a little confused or nonplussed (or cheeky enough like me just to drop a message at the bottom and hope for the best!). cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 01:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I should add that I'm happy to talk further about what might achieve the results you're after in ways more 'in tune' with current wikipedia practice... it can be fun and quite easy to manage communications here, and I might have a few tips, if you'd be interested... cheers, and best wiki wishes! - Privatemusings (talk) 01:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Warning All pages here, including user pages, belong to the community, not to individuals. (see WP:USER and WP:OWN for more information) Your posting instructions are unreasonable and you cannot require that people follow them. Notes from others pointing this out to you, such as CambridgeBayWeather and Guy left you, are are not "vandalism" and while you're entitled to remove them, you are not entitled to use incivil edit summaries in doing so, so please do not again characterise them as vandalism. Most importantly, you should realise that if someone turns up here to leave you a warning or notice about something, you will be assumed to have read that notice or warning if you remove it, and will be held accountable for what it says. Hope that's helpful. I'd strongly suggest switching to a normal page. ++Lar: t/c 01:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

PS, I removed the Failure to comply with instructions section for you, as those sorts of restrictions, regulations, codicils, etc are not allowed. ++Lar: t/c 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello, Snookerhorn, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

The five pillars of Misplaced Pages Tutorial How to edit a page How to write a great article Manual of Style I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (Snookerhorn (talk) 04:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 07:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk page instructions I'm sorry but your instructions are to complex for most people to be able to follow. Not only that but there are certain problems with some of them. First, you can't force people to reveal their real names if they don't want to. The other problem with that is there is no way for you, or anybody else, to actually verify that the name they are giving you is their real name. Second, just because someone can't, or won't, follow the instructions laid out does not mean that they are vandalising your talk page. I would suggest that you remove the instructions and let users post in the normal way. You could then sort them in an ordering system that meets your requirements. Although I can't remember where I have seen others do that and as long as you don't change the meaning of their comments nobody will mind. I will leave a message at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Complex talk page instructions in the event that you would like another administrators opinion on this.

By the way I really came to mention that the date format used here should be as per the guideline at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates and not include the "th". Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 07:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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Also, they are mad. I mean, really. I have in the past had vast numbers of talk page messages, and never had to leave reams of instructions about them. Of course, since I only have a few tens of thousands of edits, I don't suppose I qualify as editing "heavily" by your definition :-) Guy (Help!) 11:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Problems with this talk page

I believe that in moving items around because they don't fit in with your system, wikilinks have been modified. Signatures are not showing up, the {{helpme}} tag didn't have nowiki tags so it was posted to the page of wikipedians needing help. If you insist on moving comments around, please try and preserve formatting so these issues don't continue. I don't know if you're reading this or not as I frankly don't have the time to read through all your ridiculous talk page instructions. Cheers, and chill. Wjw0111 (talk) 09:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)