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Deleted via AFD in 2006. At that time there was no IMDB entry for him; today he has one with one entry, a non-lead role in a straight-to-video feature. There are no Google News Archive results for his name. All we have are a handful of non-reliable "references" including his MySpace and Geocities as well as non-independent sources such as a production company. Someone attempted to PROD this, but it was removed (in any case, PROD may not be legal as it had a prior AFD). The IP user then attempted to add the 2006 discussion to AFD, but was probably stymied by being unable to create this discussion page. Dhartung | Talk 06:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Delete per submitter 65.11.23.219 (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Pisano has a moderately notable acting resume in movies and commercials; however, I think the most important thing that makes him notable enough for Misplaced Pages is his role as Commander Ben Norstrom in a Star Trek episode. Furthermore, 65.11.23.219 just joined yesterday, so I believe the user may need more time to grasp what is necessary for a Misplaced Pages page. Dr.orfannkyl (talk) 09:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Comment If you refer to his role on Star Trek:Hathaway, a fan production, being associated with such material is not generally an basis for notability. (I'm sure you just forgot to mention that it is not an official production of the Star Trek franchise.)--Dhartung | Talk 20:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Your comment smacks of sarcasm, Dhartung. Please refrain from trying to start an argument. JoeC2004 (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Is someone trying to flame the argument? If so, these skewed comments should be removed. Sgt. bender (talk) 02:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Bryan Pisano is on the IMDB and is therefore notable enough to be on Misplaced Pages. Also, agree per Dr.orfannkyl. JoeC2004 (talk) 12:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
DeleteThere are several people on IMDB who apparently don't warrant Misplaced Pages pages -- his acting resume is absolutely unnotable. 65.11.23.219 (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.191.198 (talk)- WP: Other Stuff Exists; read it. Dr.orfannkyl (talk) 13:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Huh? Do people, especially a non-member, usually get two votes? Sgt. bender (talk) 19:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Comment First of all, this is a discussion meant to achieve WP:CONSENSUS, not a vote per se. Second, nobody's opinion should be counted more than the strength of their argument from policies and guidelines. --Dhartung | Talk 20:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Pisano is more than notable and the article is thoroughly sourced. Pisano played an important character in a very notable science fiction empire. He also has played in commercials and other films. Has been significant vandalism on the page by IP addresses, not users. Sgt. bender (talk) 13:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Delete There are several people on IMDB who apparently don't warrant Misplaced Pages pages -- his acting resume is absolutely unnotable. There is no vandalism, just removal of lies - the short film Creepers can't be called a blockbuster - and errors - the man was born June 13, 1974. IMDB site is incorrect, and Misplaced Pages is duplicating the error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anymotion (talk • contribs)
- I believe the vandalism Sgt. Bender was talking about is the removal of Bryan Pisano's picture. Otherwise, changes to the article were considered vandalism because the sourcing wasn't clear. Also, WP: Other Stuff Exists; just because others on IMDB don't have Misplaced Pages articles doesn't mean that Bryan Pisano shouldn't. Dr.orfannkyl (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, why should he? Enlighten us. --Dhartung | Talk 20:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Calm down there, Dhartung. Read the stuff I already wrote. Several movies, an internet Star Trek Episode, a Nickelodeon commercial, and a IMDB entry; that makes him notable to me. Dr.orfannkyl (talk) 22:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am calm. This person, however, is not a notable entertainer according to our guidelines, no matter what you personally think. We want significant roles in notable films. --Dhartung | Talk 00:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Instead of broad statements aimed against Bryan Pisano and instead of insulting a fellow user who doesn't agree with you, why don't you back up your claims with some facts, Dhartung? JoeC2004 (talk) 01:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- See WP:V. The burden of evidence is on the editor wishing to add or keep information in Misplaced Pages. --Dhartung | Talk 04:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Instead of broad statements aimed against Bryan Pisano and instead of insulting a fellow user who doesn't agree with you, why don't you back up your claims with some facts, Dhartung? JoeC2004 (talk) 01:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am calm. This person, however, is not a notable entertainer according to our guidelines, no matter what you personally think. We want significant roles in notable films. --Dhartung | Talk 00:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Calm down there, Dhartung. Read the stuff I already wrote. Several movies, an internet Star Trek Episode, a Nickelodeon commercial, and a IMDB entry; that makes him notable to me. Dr.orfannkyl (talk) 22:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, why should he? Enlighten us. --Dhartung | Talk 20:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I believe the vandalism Sgt. Bender was talking about is the removal of Bryan Pisano's picture. Otherwise, changes to the article were considered vandalism because the sourcing wasn't clear. Also, WP: Other Stuff Exists; just because others on IMDB don't have Misplaced Pages articles doesn't mean that Bryan Pisano shouldn't. Dr.orfannkyl (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Phasers Set On Delete: I am sympathetic to newcomers not knowing what is necessary for a Misplaced Pages article, but that doesn't mean that an article sourced only by Myspace pages and bulletin boards about a completely non-notable fellow deserves retention. Far from portraying an important character in a notable production, he appeared in one of the numerous Star Trek fan film efforts. His sole IMDB credit is in a $30,000 indie film. There are also WP:BLP issues. Just out of curiosity, what elements of WP:BIO do the Keep proponents claim this gent fulfills? RGTraynor 17:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Delete I'm concerned about the availability of reliable sources, or lack thereof. I can't find a single news article that mentions him. MySpace is not enough, and IMDB is also not considered reliable. --Aude (talk) 22:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 02:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep I've heard of him and I've seen some of the stuff he's been in. He's definately notable since he's been in several movies and is on IMDB. Also, what's with all the fighting higher in this page? Dhartung should really leave other users alone; he's obviously trying to start an argument. Beans are neither friut nor musical (talk) 02:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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