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Help this article solve terminology issues. Add your definitions for bong terminology to this section

Here's a question for the ages. Is a gravity bong really a bong if the smoke is never filtered through water? Go ahead and marinate on that for a little while. Tokerboy 04:42 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

Good point. I once saw a guy make a gravity bong out of one of those 5-gallon (or whatever) water jugs that you put on top of a water cooler... It was a sight to see. Needless to say, he wasn't that bright. --Dante Alighieri 00:14 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

I've heard of people using toilets, but I think it's an urban legend. Flushing would just be too powerful unless you used a couple ounces of smokables, I think. It's a cool idea, though--add that to my list of things to do in Amsterdam. Tokerboy 00:20 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

Maybe, to avoid the issue of if a gravity bong is still a bong, this article should be moved to bong -- it's the most commonly used term in the US, anyway. Does anybody know about bongs in other countries? Tokerboy

"A water pipe or bong is a device used for smoking cannabis,"

Cannabis is a genus (and so should be capitalized). The equivalent would be to say Philip Morris makes Nicotiana cigarettes. How about we just saw marijuana, or is there some political/advocacy reason for this euphemism? orthogonal 09:50, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

There are three species of cannabis that I'm aware of: sativa, indica, and ruderalis. While the last is known as hemp and is seldom, if ever, smoked; the former two are smoked and as such it can't be referred to as one species. Marijuana does generically mean one or both species, but the word has non-NPOV connotations as far as a lot of people are concerned. Calling the plant by its genus is an elegant solution to the neutrality issue. Matt gies 10:42, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Throughout most of the world, cannabis (lower-case c) is the common name that also happens to be identical to the scientific name for the genus. We should no more capitalize the c in cannabis than the p in primates just because it is also the Latin name for an order of mammals. Tuf-Kat 17:54, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
Except that Matt gies says, right above your comment, that he's using it not as a common name, but as a genus name. And genus names, according to biological usage are always capitalized. orthogonal 18:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I believe this article should refer to the plant using the common name, not the taxonomical genus. Tuf-Kat 19:29, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, me too. ;) That's why I started this thread. Now, by common name, do you mean "marijuana"? orthogonal 19:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I prefer cannabis because it refers to any plant of the three species (while marijuana doesn't include hemp) and is used in all the English speaking countries, even the United States (marijuana is an American word). Tuf-Kat
Marijuana was a word adopted by the US the early twentieth century from Spannish American/Native American roots. It was a deliberate tactic by media moguls, in a country split by race, to add add to the mystique and fear of the substance in society. There is therefore, intrinisically, slightly racist overtones in widely applying the term marijuana, as well as it being POV. Dainamo 10:20, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
When 'cannabis' is used to refer to a type of plant, as it is here, then it's an improper noun and doesn't take a capital C. Fugg 07:29, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Why is What Is Soul in "see also"? --Andrew 04:49, Apr 22, 2004 (UTC)

This may be a nitpick.. but I don't consider the glass pipe in the picture to be a "bong". I've always heard such pieces referred to either as simply a "pipe" or a "bubbler", if it uses water filtration, which this particular piece may or may not. Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong, though, it does look kind of weird :) Schmiddy 07:22, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)

This piece does use water filtration; the maker has called this kind of pipe a bubbler as well as a bong (he's my roommate). I think "bubbler" is just a colloquial name for a bong (although maybe it's only used for some kinds of bong?)
You're right, though, that you can't really see what's going on inside - I haven't got a picture of any of the mostly-clear ones he's made. In any case, inside the can (the big part on the bottom) there's a downstem from the bowl designed to reach under water and allow the smoke to bubble through. --Andrew 05:28, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Around my way, a bubbler is a kind of bong. It is smaller and generally shaped like a pipe, but uses water like an upright bong. The picture does not appear to be of a bubbler by this definition, since it stands upright. Tuf-Kat 20:06, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
I think it is a bong. After all the principles involved are exactly the same ones described here. I updated the caption on the image to reflect this fact and I think it really helps bring it to light. Triddle 05:57, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

changed picture, old one is archived here

File:Bong.JPG
typical bong

I changed the image to one that is more clear about the technical nature of this device. It was adopted from the German Misplaced Pages article of the same title. The old picture is archived here in case anyone in the future can use it. Triddle 03:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

has that anything to do with Bung ? etymology or smthn? (clem 18:13, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC))

Terminology

There is a huge disconnection in terminology between different readers and editors of this article; I suggest we try to find some way to consolidate it all, find unique terms for this article, and document the variants that are known. This should help keep the article more consistent and at the same time also illustrate how terms/slang for a bong can change depending on location. I'll start it off; this list is organized with the term from the article listed first and then alternate names and location listed under it. Triddle 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Gravity bong
    • The same thing as a bucket bong in this article. Southern California, United States. Triddle 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Waterfall bong
    • This was called a Sobe bong in Southern California, United States. Triddle 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Carb
    • Anything that helps the user purge the bong of smoke. This can either be a simple hole in the bong or the removable bowl style (slide carb as mentioned in the article). Southern California, United States. Triddle 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

History

Someone on the peer review page asked for some history; I noticed in the American Heritage Dictionary that the word bong comes from the Thai word, baung. Maybe one of the bong experts here could add some explanation how the thing we know as a bong developed out of the thing known in Thai as a baung. --Theodore Kloba 21:57, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Why replace the patents section?

I don't see why the patent section belongs in here; I don't know of any other article that has a list like that and it really makes this article ugly while contributing little. From the peer review of this article: Don't quite understand what the serial numbers are. Deryck C. 14:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC) I believe this refers to the patents; I'm going to move them to their own article: List of bong patents.

Peer review comments

This is a copy/paste of the peer review comments just for ease of reference.

  • The article could benefit from a history (or development) section, it doesn't say when, where, or who created the bong. In addition, inline citations are recommended. Finally, the lead section is a bit short- maybe another paragraph? Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:29, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • The first picture is beautiful, but I think is a little confusing for the unitiated. Maybe the lead picture should be a simple, achetypal bong. You should definently keep the current picture though, because it is really nice. Maybe further down to illustrate bongs as a form of art. ike9898 June 28, 2005 21:23 (UTC)
    • I moved it down to the bubbler section; it does work much better there. A better picture of a bong at the start of the article would be nice but the current picture will do for now. Triddle 01:41, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Considering there's only one in-line link in the whole article it almost doesn't seem worth it, but if you want this to be featured it has to employ the {{ref}} and {{note}} system. Thanks. Harro5 July 8, 2005 23:16 (UTC)

sound file of a bong hit

This file has a .ogg extension which is some crazy thing. Can't it be made to a normal file i.e. .wav or .mp3. I have a recording of a bong hit in .wav, but it is most likely a copyright breach to be pasted on here. (cut from "shake your rump" by the Beastie Boys

The present sound file is copyright problem free (courtesy of me) and Ogg-Vorbis is the standard file format for Misplaced Pages. I can't find the media-help page to link to but it talks about how to use Ogg/Vorbis. Additionally, if you can find a better recording of a bong hit (including the glass bowl sliding back into the stem at the end, turn your speakers up loud), I'd love to hear it. Triddle 18:22, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
Ah ha, I found the media page, it is at Misplaced Pages:Media_help and Misplaced Pages:Media. It describes why Ogg/Vorbis is the choice for audio formats at Misplaced Pages. Triddle 18:04, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

bowls and conepieces

Hey triddle, you look to be running this page, so can you (or anyone else) explain. In Australia, we don't use the word Bowl. I'm guessing it is the equvalent to a Conepiece, the part where the weed is packed and ignited and sits at the top of the stem.

I wanted to add this to your Talk:Bong#Terminology section, but maybe it should be labelled Bowl/Conepiece:

  • Conepiece
    • A usually removable metal piece of the bong where the chopped Marijuana is placed and ignited. Varying amounts are placed or 'packed in' the conepiece, which sits at the top of the stem. Over time it collects a (soft) resin on the bottom, and encrusted resin within the conepiece

If you put the picture of the labelled red bong back onto the main page, it could be referenced as part (4).

Thakns for listening, --Ballchef 06:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ballchef, I had no idea terms could be so diverse. I've got a good idea of what you are referring to (nice description btw). That addition to the #Terminology section would be great and leads me to think about another page, something like List of bong terminology. Triddle 17:59, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd be up for contributing to that. I'll post some stuff later. No, I'll do it now... --Ballchef 03:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
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