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Happy editing! Looks like you are off to a good start. DavidH 15:58, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Hello Greaterlondoner. I'm sorry if I was a bit hasty in listing all your articles on Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems. When you edited most of your images out of of the related articles last night, but then stopped, and hadn't answered my message on this talk page, I really didn't know whether you were going to make any sort of response or explanation. So I waited until this morning and then started listing them.

To answer you questions about logos and other copyrighted images, I think you need to read the image use policy and the page on fair use of copyrighted material in Misplaced Pages. Fair use is a special exception to copyright in U.S. law (under which Misplaced Pages primarily operates). Logos are fair use because they are unique - in order to illustrate the TfL article with an appropriate logo, which is an important piece of information about that organisation, we have to use their copyrighted image, so it is fair use, as long as we don't try to pretend to be TfL or to be approved by them. Similar reasoning allows some book covers, screenshots, etc. to be fair use. On the other hand, their pictures of rolling stock aren't fair use, as we could perfectly well go and take our own pictures. Taking pictures from other sources besides TfL is even less likely to be fair use. Crediting the source is not enough.

It's also an important aim of the Misplaced Pages project to generate free content, so it's clearly preferable to make our own images if we can. The TFL images were also only 150 pixels or so, which is pretty small really, and reduces their usefulness in the long term. Putting them in the article might discourage people from going out and taking good, high quality free images of LU rolling stock, which would be really nice to have.

I hope that answers your questions.

By the way, you should probably also read up on the extended image syntax so that you can put (high quality, free) images into articles in nice frames with captions, etc. You might also like to look at the Copyright FAQ which probably explains copyright issues better than I could.

Again, sorry if we (or specifically I) came over a bit heavy-handed. --rbrwr 21:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

ps. take a look at Image:BT corp logo.JPG and Image:Transport for London logo.gif to see two different "fair use" templates in use, explaining the special staus of those images. You can hit "edit this page" to see the source of the image description with the templates in use. --rbrwr

Thanks for your reply. I don't think there was ever a great danger of you being blocked from editing - if you had gone on uploading copyright-violating images and putting them into articles after being asked not to, to the point where it started to look like vandalism or deliberate disruption, then you probably would have picked up a 24-hour block; but you're in no danger of that now. If you aren't able to take your own pictures at the moment, you could look at some of the sites listed on Misplaced Pages:Public domain image resources (though they tend to be U.S. government sites). You could also try e-mailing website owners and asking them to release their pictures to the public domain or under an appropriate license, or looking for images elsewhere that are already freely licensed. Anyway, I hope you find a way to contribute to the project. --rbrwr 17:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

User 578 (among others)

Well, of course we have a guidelines on profanity (mainly with respect to article pages) and the use of user pages. Within reason a user is allowed to control their own user page, and though 578's page is provocative in parts, I don't think it's so out of line that it requires immediate intervention by an admin. If you have a problem with the content of 578's user page I'd advise you to take it up with them directly (and of course politely) in the first instance; if you still feel there's a problem after that you could try one of the forms of dispute resolution. It's part of the wiki principle that as far as possible things like that are a matter for all users equally, not just for admins. (By the way, there's more reading at Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines if you're interested in the "rulebook".) --rbrwr 21:05, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

... almost certainly not (s/he added them him/herself - look at the history). Maybe this is why you shouldn't take barnstars (see Misplaced Pages:Barnstars on Misplaced Pages), or indeed user pages, too seriously. I advise you to pay attention to articles instead. --rbrwr 20:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Image credit

Whne you upload an image you will see a box on the upload form marked "Summary". In this you should put description of the image, details of its source, and an appropriate copyright template. for example, you might put:

A train of ] 1973 stock running on the ] near ]. Taken by ] on 5 August 2005. {{gfdl}}

This will then appear on the image description page and can be amended in the normal way for editing pages. For example, see the image description pages for one of my photos. If you are contributing your own pictures to Misplaced Pages you have to license them under the GFDL (though you can additionally release them to the public domain or under additional licences such as one of the Creative Commons licences). --rbrwr 21:20, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Templates and help

Hi, you asked about codes for deletion and other issues on my talk page. There are a few places you can check. You can go to Help:Contents for lots of useful information. If you think a page qualifies for speedy deletion, you can add {{db|reason}} to the page--replace the word "reason" with the reason why you think the page should be deleted immediately (without going through the votes for deletion process). Be sure to read the Criteria for speedy deletion page and the Deletion policy page for the votes for deletion templates. for information about getting help with disputes see the Disputes page. Hope that gives you some answers. DavidH 09:57, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Greaterlondoner, I have decided you are worthy of the Original Barnstar for the many helpful edits you have made to articles on this fantastic online encyclopedia. Your help in building up articles particluarly in the London Underground genre have and will be extremely useful for Wikipedians and any other internet users, as there are thousands worldwide, who will use articles such as those to gather information. Thank you from both myself and the Wikimedia Foundation as a whole. Louis23rd I would just like to congratulate you on the Barnstar I have awarded you on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation for the many helpful edits to articles that you have made on Misplaced Pages recently. Please view your user page to see this. Louis23rd 18:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Two baker streets

Hi. You uploaded Image:Bakerstreet.PNG and Image:Baker street.PNG; I guess the latter is redundant. You may wish to place a speedy delete tag on it, as it seems to be identical to the former. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:18, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I'm curious as to why you removed another users comments from your talk page .What's more you did it with an abusive edit summary. Please, in future do not make personal attacks in edit summaries. follow Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. Cheers! Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Public domain tube map

You've uploaded Image:Tubemap.PNG and marked it with Template:PD and 'Released to the Public Domain by London Underground'. I believe this to be untrue. Can you provide a source that says the Tube map has been released to the public domain? I think using the wrong image copyright tags like this is a very serious matter. Edward 22:31:00, 2005-08-16 (UTC)

From the TfL website at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/maps/#copyright :

Copyright

The copyright in the material contained within the document you are about to view belongs to Transport for London. All rights reserved.

Except solely for your own personal and non-commercial use, no part of this document may be copied or used without the prior written permission of Transport for London.

By clicking on the links above to view maps, it is understood that you have read this copyright notice and accept these conditions.

Maps last updated: January 2005.

The Tube Map most certainly is NOT in the Public Domain - TfL derive a considerable income from the map and are known to enforce their copyright. I am removing the map from the article and putting the map on Copyright Problems. Please do not misuse the PD template in this way in future. -- Arwel 22:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)