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Welcome!

Hello, Maoririder, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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stubs

Many of the stub templates you're putting on articles don't exist; Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types has a complete listing of current stub types. Also, it would be better if you put more content into the article, so other users could more easily expand it (where the topic is from, what makes it notable, etc). --Mairi 19:52, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Those "bloody-nosed beetle" and "big-eyed bug" nanostubs are tantamount to vandalism. If you'd like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thanks. - Lucky 6.9 19:59, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

The bloody-nosed beetle and the big-eyed bug are real that I know of. The bloody-nosed beetle there is information on but the bug-eyed bug only has a picture that I know of. Sorry for problems. --Maoririder 16:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

The bloody-nosed beetle and Big-eyed bug are real and I added them. --Maoririder 19:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

What is a nanostub? --Maoririder 16:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC}


We welcome your contributions, but I think the suggestion is that some of the articles you have created are simply too small to be of any use. For example, your article on the Briquet Griffon Vendéen, which previously just said "It is a dog". Have a look at how I have expanded that - most Wikipedians would probably agree that you need more than just a single sentence (and certainly more than just four words) for an article to be worth creating at all. OpenToppedBus - My Talk 16:54, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you I will look into finding more information and writing more thank you OpenToppedBus. --Maoririder 16:55, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Maoririder's stubs

It's great that you want to creat articles for us, and the occasional stub is tollerated, but I have seen you create many stubs today. Please realise that stubs are not a good thing, and it is not really appropriate to create stubs. 'Stub' is a tag that we add to articles by new user who don't know not to create small articles. If you want to add information to wikipedia, please research, and write a nicely filled out article. Thanks. -CBDroege

Don't worry I'am trying that. Thank you. --Maoririder 17:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


Formatting

Hello! I just wanted to suggest to you that we generally include the article's subject matter in bold. For example:

Battlefield Britain is a television show on PBS (to use bolding place three ' marks before and after the text you wanted bolded)

Just a thought. --Scimitar 14:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. --Maoririder 14:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Lots of tiny articles

Slow down! You're creating large numbers of articles with very little information in each, often badly formatted or with non-existent stub templates. Please reread what's been said to you above, especially the links towards the top. It's not a competition to see how many articles you can start. At the moment you are making a lot of work for other people cleaning up after you. OpenToppedBus - My Talk 15:31, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I'am not trying to create lots of articles I'am just trying to start them because I still look around on google for more information. --Maoririder 15:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Seriously, you're creating too many stubs!

Come on, you've been asked nicely. We need you to stop making new articles and work on the ones you've already started. I found one you created that simply said "He is a baseball player". This type of contribution really doesn't help the project. We welcome your contribitions, but we also ask that you respect the conventions of the Misplaced Pages community. ike9898 15:56, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I will add more than he is just a baseball player. Sorry. --Maoririder 15:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
For the record,I counted 28 new stubs created by Maoririder in the past two hours. Most are one sentence long. ike9898 16:04, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Okay I will take a load off but it's fun you know. I'am really Sorry I'am trying to expand if I can sorry again. --Maoririder 16:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

One more thing 28 stubs in the last 2 hours isn't really that much. It's just what I think sorry again. --Maoririder 16:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Formatting and content

Please take a look at Pete Walker and Justin Speier that you recently added as sub-stubs and i edited. Note that I changed the format -- the subject is given in the first sentace in bold, and hios birth date is in parens right afterwards. Note that I added enough infor for a few sentances, and a useful link. This took a very brief time using goolgle to find the site with the info. Please add at least this level of info to new articles you create if at all possible I can see I'm not the only one asking you to do so. DES 16:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you and sorry. --Maoririder 16:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome. Please wait until you have the basic formatting in and at least 3 or 4 sentences worth of info before posting an article. Then soemnone else won't have to duplicate your google search to find the info and put it in, or else suggest deelting the article. You might want to read WP:CSD and WP:STUB. DES 16:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Templates

I've nominated your Template:Peacegroup-stub for deletion. My reason for doing os is that it is a point-of-view (POV) template; that is, it ascribes motives to the group in question. Since we don't know their motives, I think it's unencyclopedic. Also, templates should be widely usable; this seems like a narrow definition. --Scimitar 16:22, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Proposed new stub types should be discussed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria. There people can advise if the proposed new stub is useful and fits into the existing stub hierarchy, and whether its name should be adjusted to match existing conventions for stub names. please read that page and follow the procedures on it before creating any new stub types. Thank you. DES 17:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Dear Maoririder, please read the above messages and think more carefully before creating new stub types. Deb 17:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I will just post stub types that I know thanks Deb. --Maoririder 17:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I just listed your newly created {{Mountain-stub}} at Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion. Please use the agreed process for creatign new stub types in future. DES 17:48, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Short articles

Hi, again. Please do not add articles that aren't more than an opening sentence or whose content is explained fully by the title. It really does create a lot of extra work. Short articles are great. Just take a moment and research your subject a bit first. Let me give you an example of my own. The last article I wrote here was a stub about a small, nearly empty Mojave Desert town called Goffs, California. All I did was to Google the words "Goffs California" and several references popped up. I took some info from one or two of the hits, put the info in my own words and in about ten minutes, we had a serviceable short article. For me to have simply written something like "Goffs, California is a town in California" doesn't really help the end user who already might know that Goffs is a town in California. We all want you to have fun. This is a very worthwhile project and hobby. Just take the time to flesh your work out a bit, OK? Yell if you need me. Best, Lucky 6.9 17:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

You're still doing it. Also, please don't create your own templates without following procedure. Relax, take a deep breath, and listen to some friendly advice. One: Research your subject. You did some "nanostubs" (really tiny stubs) called "Route 95" and "Route 77." There are already articles here under the proper names of U.S. Highway 95 and U.S. Highway 77. Not being terribly familiar with the roads of Maine, I assume that you're referring to US 77 and not a Maine state highway. Two: If you continue to edit the way you have been, a request for comment might be filed against you. This is where other users are basically saying that you aren't doing something right despite everyone asking you to. It might lead to your being banned from further editing. I'd hate to see that since you obviously mean well. BUT...you really are creating lots of work. - Lucky 6.9 17:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'am trying my best. --Maoririder 17:47, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

After looking at the "Carlos Ahern" article...are you?  :) Once again, an article consisting of "He is a baseball player" isn't long enough to stay as an article. When was he born? Stats? Other teams? Personal history? Does he hold any records? How many home runs? What position does he play? "Where is all this info," you ask? You can easily find info on a major league ballplayer online. I redirected it to "Boston Red Sox" for now. If you'd like to answer me, or ask any question, just click on my user name and leave word on my talk page. Please do the right thing. You're really skating on thin ice and it may not be long before a user lowers the boom on you. - Lucky 6.9 18:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Carlos Ahern is a baseball player thats all I know. Can anyone look him up? Do I have to? Okay fine I will try. Why a redirect to the red sox just keep the page. --Maoririder 18:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I will let you people cleanup my work if you don't mind or expand or wikify or that stuff. I'am known for doing stubs because its a start and it is rather simple. I don't intend to be a hassle. --Maoririder 18:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

You need to give more information in your stubs. As I wrote on talk:Gary May, you need to write more than "he is a pitcher in the game of baseball". Add Verifiable information to your articles. You will find if you read the speedy deletion criteria that an article that does not assert a person's importance or significance is a candidate for speedy deletion. You may also want to look over Misplaced Pages:Stub to find more information about what the wikipedia community expects to see in a stub article. -Satori 18:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Doing reasoanble stubs is useful. Creating non-wikified, improperly stub-sorted, sub-stubs with only 1 or two sentances in them is being a hassle -- it takes more work to clean these up than it would have to create them properly in the first place. I am willing to work with you if you are intersted in learning how to make useful contributions here, but you have to be willing to listen a bit. DES 18:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'am definityly up for working with all of you. --Maoririder 18:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Great! I am very glad to hear that, more than I can say. I need to sign out, but I'll be back. - Lucky 6.9 18:18, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Strong suggestions

Here are some suggestions I strongly advise you to follow in future. If you have any questions about them, feel free to ask me.

  1. Start your articles off-line. Don't post them until you have at least 3-4 sentences about the topic.
  2. Even a stub should indicate to someone who knows nothing about the subject why the subject is significant and give some clue where to find more info.
  3. Use Google and other search tools to get more info about a subject. Put this into your article before you post it for the first time.
  4. Use proper stub types. See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types for a list of the approved stub types. Use the most specific type from this list you can find. Don't use {{stub}} if you cna possibly help it, but don't just invent your own types, either.
  5. Wikify your articles as much as you possibly can.
  6. follow standard wikipedia style -- it isn't hard. For example, on artilces about people, follow Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (biographies). This means that the person's full name is in bold at the start of the first sentance, followed by dates of birth (and death if the person is dead) in parens.
  7. Consider if the article you are posting is, in the form you intend to post it, helpful to other readers.
  8. look at the cleanups other people have done on the articles you have created, and learn from them.

I hope this list is helpful. DES 18:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I will try and thanks for the guidelines. --Maoririder 18:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

But you're still not following them. After you posted that response, you created an article Oregon Coast Aquarium Newport. The content is as follows:

It is a aquarium located in Newport, Oregon.

{{stub}} {{Oregon-stub}}

Now, let's start with title in bold. At the very least, your first sentence should have been "The Oregon Coast Aquarium Newport is an aquarium located in Newport, Oregon". Also, again we only have one sentence. What you need to tell us, even in a stub, is why should we care? What about this particular aquarium would interest a reader? Does it house endangered species that one couldn't find elsewhere? Does it do research that is interesting or notable? Is there something about its architecture, age, founding, or other features that distinguish it from other aquariums? The fact that it is an aquarium is no information at all, we can gather that from the article title. Please try and find information about a subject before you create an article. Furthermore, don't create useless stub categories. While it may be deleted soon, the content of {{Oregon-stub}} is "It has something to do with the state of Oregon and you can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it!" Your syntax doesn't match that of other stub categories. You need to pay more close attention to work that preceeds yours. We're trying to work with you, but I think patience is begining to wear thin. Please pay careful attention to what DES, Lucky, and others (including myself) have been telling you. Read some of wikipedia's policy pages, pay attention to how other articles are written, try to get a feel for how this community works. -Satori 19:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

John Ford

You are welcome. Note what I did and consider it in future. With a small fact, consider whether there is an existing larger article it might fit into instead of automatically creating a stub. DES 18:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Kansas-stub

Please, please don't create new stub templates without proposing them at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals and following the directions at Misplaced Pages:Stub#New stub categories. This is really the last time I am going to ask you not to do this. If you keep this up I am going to ahve to take steps to asak other people to get involved here. I would prefer to avoid that. DES 19:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay. --Maoririder 19:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Garlique

Dude, you're still doing it. It is a tablet people take to help their cardiovasual system healthy isn't an article. It is a sentence. You've told nothing about what this tablet is. Is it a food supplement? Medicine? Who makes it? I've heard Larry King advertise this stuff on radio. Where's the mention of that? Is there a website? Any dangers in taking this stuff? Sigh...look, I don't know what more I can do. I've tried and you just keep on doing what we've asked you not to. - Lucky 6.9 19:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay listen when you put a nonsense tag and dont call me dude.... little information can be expanded no need for a nonsense tag if you want to add more please do your making to much of a fuss is it because i'am new??? --Maoririder 19:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

No, I am not making a fuss because you are new. I am trying to help you because you are new and you seem to be having a bit of trouble grasping what we've all tried to tell you. I only called you "dude" to be friendly. If you're a woman or just don't like being called "dude," I'm truly sorry. Yes, a little information can be expanded. Still, I don't think you quite grasp what "little information" means. Your article about "13 Spotted Lady Beetle" was, and I quote, "It is a type of beetle." At least you gave out an external link. However, you posted no information from that link to the article. That kind of article is still a speedy deletion candidate. - Lucky 6.9 19:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

What about keeping Garlique? --Maoririder 19:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The Schools still need looking over. --Maoririder 19:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

If I wrote a article about Planet Pizza in Toy Story you people would most likely put it up for deletion. --Maoririder 19:40, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Dude a man who dresses flashy??? Why would you say something like that? Anyway forget the "Dude" thing. --Maoririder 19:41, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

All right, let's take these one at a time.

  • If you want to keep the Garlique article, tell you what I'll do. I'll remove the speedy delete notice if you promise to research the article and expand it.
  • Thanks for the tip on your school articles. I'll leave some suggestions here a bit later about how to fix them.
  • An article about "Planet Pizza" might not be considered encyclopedic. In other words, it isn't important enough to warrant its own article. No one would look up "Planet Pizza" before looking up "Toy Story." There's a better way. Go to the Toy Story article and expand it with info on Planet Pizza. If there isn't any, go ahead and add it.
  • The term "dude" is a friendly nickname, at least here in California. Nothing to take offense over, but I will certainly respect your wishes. Off to lunch...have fun and please read some of the other comments by other users. - Lucky 6.9 19:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Now I'am not sure if it's Pizza Planet or Planet Pizza? --Maoririder 19:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

  • LOL! Good question. I think it's "Planet Pizza." Isn't that the place where they find the little green men in the vending machine? - Lucky 6.9 19:54, 1 August 2005 (UTC) Yes so how could information get added into the Toy Story article??? I would be interesting and the little green men are in the claw game. --Maoririder 19:56, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

No problem. You can edit any page you'd like. Just add the information under the section that tells the plot of the movie. I Googled it, by the way. It's "Pizza Planet," not "Planet Pizza." My bad. - Lucky 6.9 19:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

What is up with the "LOL" (it could mean lots of stuff but supposedly laugh out loud but there is lots of luck hey what about a LOL article? You up for it or is it in internet slang? --Maoririder 20:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I would be up for it since widespread Internet slang is encyclopedic, but there's already an article at LOL (Internet slang). And yes, I meant "laughing out loud." You really did make me laugh.  :^)) - Lucky 6.9 21:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

    • PS: Take a look at Garlique now. That's what a stub's supposed to look like...and I got all the info off the corporate website. Except for the quote, the article's written in my own words. - Lucky 6.9 21:41, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Stubs

Maoririder, I appreciate your desire to contribute to the Misplaced Pages community, really I do. Your absurd number of stubs and innundation of unencyclopedic or useless material makes me far less appreciative, however. In the future, if you don't know enough about a topic to write an article, or at the very least an ideal stub then, please, don't even bother opening the edit window. -Soltak 23:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I made a decent page. Rubber Boa --Maoririder 15:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Much, much better. You formatted and wikied this beautifully, but we have a new problem. You simply can't copy information from another site and post it here. That's called "violation of copyright." What you can do if you'd like is to copy the info, paste it to the edit window and - this is very important - totally rewrite it in your own words. Tell you what: Leave word on my talk page the next time you have an idea for an article. I'll walk you through the steps you need to take to make a good one. You're getting better every day, my friend! We'll get you up to speed, don't you worry. - Lucky 6.9 15:30, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The is the problem do it in my own words. I will try. --Maoririder 15:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

That's OK. We have the perfect chance for you to practice. Here's what I'm going to do: I or someone has to tag the article as a copyright violation, but when it's tagged, the link to a new temporary page opens up. You'll see what I mean in a couple of minutes when you try to reopen Rubber Boa. You can write the article in your own words on the temporary page. When the copyright violation is deleted, your temp page becomes the new article. That also gives you a week to get it really, really good. - Lucky 6.9 15:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I really did not mean to get it copyrighted... Sorry very sorry. --Maoririder 15:37, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I'am better off just saying A rubber boa is a snake... Then people can add on the copyright in my own words just don't work sorry and I tryed to correct some of the copyrighted material. --Maoririder 15:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

  • It's OK. Really. You're doing fine. I made some really STOOPID mistakes when I started out. We all do. Take a look at the Rubber Boa page now. You'll see a set of instructions. They'll tell you how to make a new article on the temporary page. Remember: Just saying that a rubber boa is a snake isn't enough. Go back to the site, copy the info to the temp page and rewrite it before you save the page. This is very important. If you don't, the temp page will have to be tagged. Don't worry...you can do this. - Lucky 6.9 15:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

No way i'am not pasteing no material that would be copyright and my own words I can't do it. Sorry. --Maoririder 15:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The Schools and so on have still not been wikifyed or cleanedup. --Maoririder 15:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

We can worry about those a little later. As for the Rubber Boa article: Sure you can do this. I have a better idea. Do you have a printer? If you do, print the information from the original article. You can rewrite the information in your own words without risking another copyright violation...which isn't a real big deal unless you do it all the time, which I know you won't. I have to go, but I'll be here to help later. - Lucky 6.9 15:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Forget Rubber Boa. If the copyright thing goes away some one else can start it in their own words then It will work out. --Maoririder 16:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I really need some help. Alot of help. --Maoririder 16:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

You got it. Don't let this get you down. If you don't want to write about rubber boas, you don't have to. One good thing is for sure, though. Even though what you did can't be kept here, it would have been a really, really good short article if it was in your own words. Use the Rubber Boa article as a model for your future articles. Gotta run. I'll be back to help you later. Think of a subject you want to write about and we'll do one together. - Lucky 6.9 16:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

More stubbery

What part of this is confusing you? If you can't write anything about a subject beyond a single sentence, than don't write anything. Andover Elementary School is a good example of an article with zero content. Furthermore, you're still starting articles off with "It is . . ." rather than "Andover Elementary School is . . . " Are you intentionally trying to annoy people? Please, please, please, just start doing what everyone above you is suggesting. --Scimitar 17:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

No not trying to annoy people trying to make a stub and people can add on. Sorry. --Maoririder 17:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Then start doing what others are suggesting. --Scimitar 17:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I will try. That's all I got. --Maoririder 17:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The correct start to Maine Medical Center is "Maine Medical Center is..." no "It is..." You've been told this half a dozen times already. It shouldn't be this hard to figure it out. Thank you for expanding some of your earlier articles. --Scimitar 17:30, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Maine Medical Center

The correct start to Maine Medical Center is "Maine Medical Center is..." no "It is..." You've been told this half a dozen times already. It shouldn't be this hard to figure it out. Thank you for expanding some of your earlier articles. --Scimitar 17:30, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Sure thing glad to help. Thank you and sorry. --Maoririder 17:31, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Popcorn Fish

The correct start to your nano-stub, Popcorn Fish is "Popcorn Fish are..." not "They are..." --Scimitar 17:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

That's not a clear statement. Sorry. --Maoririder 17:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi...I'm back. You're still not quite doing new articles correctly. The "it is" isn't the correct way to start an article. Regarding your latest articles, I'm going to go to the Andover School article and add some information to it. There isn't a website, so I had to make do. Take a look at it in a couple of minutes. Regarding Maine Medical Center...isn't it obvious that we're talking about a hospital here?  :) I'll expand this a bit as well so you can see what it is we're trying to tell you. Do me one small favor, please. Don't start another new article right away. This "Popcorn Fish" thing is another speedy delete candidate as it stands, which means an administrator now has to step in to delete it or another user has to step in and expand it. Relax for a moment. - Lucky 6.9 17:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I will try but will you help wikify my articles???? --Maoririder 17:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC) Cleanup needs some too. --Maoririder 17:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The hospitals and everything are real just to let you know. --Maoririder 17:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

  • If they're real, than I'm sure you can come up with more than one sentence to write about them. I hope you can, because otherwise they will be deleted because they don't hvae enough content. --Scimitar 17:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Then it's easy put a "NOT ENOUGH CONTENT TAG". --Maoririder 17:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for CAPS but if you could most of my articles need expanding. Please take notice. --Maoririder 17:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Lucky help me expand. --Maoririder 17:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

All right. Take a look at Maine Medical Center and Andover Elementary School. Maine Medical Center is incredibly important and worthy of an article. I'm not so sure about Andover Elementary, but I did what I could. Hang tight...I'll be right back. - Lucky 6.9 17:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Another one...

Strider (novel) is (yet again) incorrectly formatted. Don't submit it if you can't be bothered to perform simple fixes. --Scimitar 17:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Strider (novel) by Beverly Clearly. --Maoririder 18:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC) People can expand and I'am sure it would be good. --Maoririder 18:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I almost hate to say this, but he's right. Yes, other users can expand this. Take a look at Popcorn Fish. I used the link you provided and added the info I found there. As far as this is concerned...what's the book about? Without adding information regarding the story, this is just useless. I wrote a book article a while back. You can find it at The Choirboys. Short, yes. Informative, yes. Take a peek; perhaps this will help you. - Lucky 6.9 18:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Great Fire of 1866

This article is incorrectly formatted. Please fix it. --Scimitar 18:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I started it. incorrectly formatted? I will try okay? --Maoririder 18:01, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Lucky or anyone many of pages have not been wikifyed or cleanup please help sort out. --Maoririder 18:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, just so long as you don't go creating any more for now.  :) If you haven't yet done so, please look at the articles I cleaned up and the book article I told you about. (This, Maoririder, is your Misplaced Pages homework assignment.) Seriously, though...please settle down. No more new articles until we can fix the old ones. Read the fixed articles. Relax. Take a deep breath, go outside and enjoy a spectacular Maine summer day. Get your mind off of Misplaced Pages for a little bit. Take a "wiki-break." Clear your head and have some real fun. I have to go. Take care and I'll stay in touch. - Lucky 6.9 18:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay thanks alot. --Maoririder 18:29, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

That is alot of pages!!!!!!!! Whoa totally sorry... Big break time.... Thanks Lucky and everyone. CLEANUP time is underway why arn't all of my articles up for either wikify expand or CLEANUP. Thanks again. --Maoririder 18:31, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Still At It

Even after these statements you're still doing it. I don't get it. You've been at this for maybe a couple of days and you already have 370 edits. I've been doing this for a month and have 420. If you look at my user page you'll see that's not because I'm lazy, that's because I pick and choose my edits instead of writing about everything that pops into my head. -Soltak 18:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Popping into my head. It may be true but whats wrong with that? Could be a illness? No any? Sorry if i'am troubling but my help and your help and everyones help we can all work together to thin out my contributions. I hope you can stick by and help out. More expanding wikifying and cleanup would really help thanks. --Maoririder 19:01, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

No, what would really help is deletion. Also, stop creating templates without going through the proper channels and using correct formatting. Template:knife-stub? Come on! -Soltak 19:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Cloverhill Bakery

Hi again. I'm sure that by reading the comments on the vote for deletion on Cloverhill Bakery, you'll see that most people don't think this sort of article belongs on Misplaced Pages. Please consider that before adding similar articles. Thank you. --Scimitar 19:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Warning

Maoririder, if you keep adding a whole bunch of really short articles, one of the administrators is going to block you so you can't edit for a while. Please, just take it easy and work on fixing up the articles you've already started. --Scimitar 19:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Short block of user account

Sorry, after confering we a couple of other concerned users, I decided to put a short block on your account. We really need you to understand that Misplaced Pages is a well established community that has guidelines for contributions. Several friendly and helpful users have tried to welcome you to the community and teach you the guidelines. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be taking the guidelines to heart. You are quite welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages in the future, especially if you can work effectively with the other editors. ike9898 19:37, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

I will try and I'am here to help. --Maoririder 15:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Prides Corner School

Prides Corner School in Westbrook, Maine. What do you think? Did I do okay? --Maoririder 15:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

That is much better. i did some cleanup on it. take a look at this diff. See if you can understand the changes i made and why I made them. See if you can do similar things for yourself in future. DES 15:34, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Baxter Boulevard

I cleaned up Baxter Boulevard a bit, and added a more specific stub template {{US-road-stub}}. I notice that soemone previously put on {{road-stub}} and you reverted to the use of {{stub}}. There is a strong desire to get all stubs marked with a reasoanbly specific tempalte, and to have none or as few as possible marked with the generic {{stub}}. When someone stub-sorts an article you have worked on, please do NOT revert to {{stub}}. If you think the new tempalte is wrong, post a note on the article's talk page, or send a msg to that user on his or her user talk page, or if you are sure of the proper specific stub tempalte, change to that. But {{stub}} is almost never better than a more specific template that is anywhere near accurate. DES 15:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, this article still needs significant expansion. For example, where in portland is this path or road? Which mayor whas this named for, the current one or a past one? what was the mayor's full name? do we have an article on that person? if so there should be a link to it from Baxter Boulevard. You must have soem of this information and be able to find more. Please expand this article a bit before creating new ones. DES 15:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay thanks. --Maoririder 15:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

It really isn't gopod enough to add a link to the talk page and stick {{expand}} on it. You ought to make at tleast a try at digging the info out yourself and adding it to the main article for an article you created. I now see someone has nomintated this article for deletion. This is what tends to happen when you leave an articel around with no obvious indications of whay it is important. as far as the casual reder can tell this is just an article about a reandom dirt path. If it is in fact more than that (as I suspect it is) you need to include the info that indicates this in the main article fairly promptly. DES 16:33, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back. Minor problem, but not bad. The article is better than others you've done. Much better. However, Baxter Boulevard isn't really notable outside of Portland. Like DES said, someone has nominated this to be deleted. A better idea would have been to add information on Baxter Boulevard to the article already at Portland, Maine. It's doubtful that someone would look up "Baxter Boulevard" before looking up "Portland, Maine." Notability, that is, the importance of your subject, is something you should consider. Even though the street is real, the information is better served in the larger article. Let me give you an example. You'll find an article at Batmobile. You won't find an article called Batmobile crankshaft. The car from the 1966 TV show still exists. The man who built it still owns it. It runs and drives...and he sometimes takes it through the McDonald's near his shop in North Hollywood, California! The crankshaft of the engine is certainly real. It exists. All you'd have to do to prove it is to start the engine. Is it notable on its own? No. I hope that clears things up a bit. - Lucky 6.9 16:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

It's good to be around Lucky and I'am trying my hardest. --Maoririder 16:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


Misplaced Pages philosophy

One thing you might want to consider. Here at Misplaced Pages, the real goal is to make great encyclopedia articles. Having articles on every subject imaginable is not the goal. Most valuable contributions to Misplaced Pages are improvements on existing articles. There are currently ~600,000 articles, and almost every one of them could be improved. We could really use your help in improving the existing articles. Why not look up the Misplaced Pages article on one of your favorite subjects - I'll bet you can find some way to make it better. See you... ike9898 17:08, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Ike and I will work hard to do good. --Maoririder 17:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Deering Oaks

The article Deering Oaks just does not give enough info to be at all useful. It doesn't even say what town this is in. I have tagged this for speedy deletion. DES 17:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I would add, do not put in an imitation stub notice, nor use an improperly created stub template. Look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types and pick the baet fit you can find from the stub types on that list. If you want soemthign added to the list, post a sugestion on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. DES 17:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Portland, Maine

I'm not going to say anything bad about Portland, Maine, it's a lovely city. Everything located there, however, is not notable. You've made a large number of stubs regarding places/things in Portland that are not notable and don't deserve even the two sentences you've given them. Please consider whether or not something is encyclopedic before authoring an article. -Soltak 18:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

But some thing there could be acceptable here. I think. --Maoririder 18:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Some things there certainly are acceptable. What you've written about certainly aren't. -Soltak 18:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay we will see what happens I hope some people help cleanup and expaning. look at Tukey's Bridge get a sense of what a article on a bridge in portland maine is like. --Maoririder 18:07, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing Tukey's Bridge to my attention. I just put it up for deletion. -Soltak 18:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay thanks. --Maoririder 18:20, 3 August 2005 (UTC) many of my articles need work. --Maoririder 18:20, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Wasting our time

Maoririder, most people on Misplaced Pages want to write about things that they're interested in- not things you're interested in. I've cleaned up some of your articles, but most of them have so little information that they are not helpful at all. You are wasting my time, as well as that of Soltak, DES, ike9898 and Lucky 6.9. Please stop writing very short articles, and expand what you've already written. --Scimitar 18:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Take a break. I think I need one. I'am wasting no one's time. thanks for trying to cleanup. Sorry. --Maoririder 18:23, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes you are. Misplaced Pages is one of the best websites in the world, and your articles make it look bad. They need to be fixed, and if you aren't willing to fix them, we have to. So fix them yourself, and stop expecting other people to do it for you, okay? --Scimitar 18:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
P.S.- you are getting better, with just a little more effort your articles will be useful. --Scimitar 18:26, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah right you are just saying that. I hope my articles will work out. --Maoririder 18:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I know you're wasting my time. I should be doing something constructive right now, like working on all of the University articles I've had on my to-do list for weeks. Instead, I'm chasing after you trying to get rid of contentless articles. You were briefly blocked yesterday for this reason but you obviously didn't take the hint. I, and every one else, has been trying to be as nice as possible but I think the time for that might be coming to an end. -Soltak 18:28, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

TAGS

I got a tags question. Do I put the tag say {{expand}} on the articles page or the talk page? --Maoririder 18:29, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Will people actually "expand" it?? It does not seem like it. Hope everyone can help out. --Maoririder 18:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

  • People will expand it if there is enough interesting information there to start- and you haven't been putting enough. "It is a school in Maine" is not an article. It's barely even a sentence. Write better stubs and people will expand them. --Scimitar 18:34, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

So if it's just a stub come on some people might be interested about how many people edit on Misplaced Pages every day??? Any figures?? --Maoririder 18:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

{{expand}} is noramlly put on the talk page. {{cleanup}} is sometimes put on the article page, but perhaps moreoften on the talk page. Howver, creating a very short sub-stub and than putting the expand or cleanup tags on it can be seen as adding insult to injury, It says "I want an article on this, but I can't be bothered to do tr right, so do it for me." I don't think that is what you intend to say, but it can and will be percieved that way be some people. Please, at least get a reasoanble stub article first. Do as much as you can do yourself. Then ask for help on the talk page, including a tag if you think proper. DES 18:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Usually the {{expand}} and {{cleanup}} tags are NOT used by the creator or primary editor of the article. There is no rule agaisnt it, but consider what you are saying to the community at large. Also note that expansion requests may not be fullfilled any time soon, if ever -- they are just requests to the commuity at large. DES 18:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Big sorry everyone. I'am dropping out for a bit looking to add on hopefully. --Maoririder 18:44, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

VFD'S!!!!!!!!!!

Listen all of the vfd's just get it over with because they are clogging everything up! It might be my fault but I mean i started a article about King Middle School oh my god quick someone stop that article put a vfd on it. Please lets just cleanup stuff! --Maoririder 18:51, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

It's pretty simple. When you write a reasonably complete article (such as the school above that you were complemented on), it'll likely stick -- or at least get a fair trial -- even if it's in no way noteable. When you write a 10-second stub, ask someone else to write it for you via "expand," and start a new stub, people want to clean up quickly. (sigged late) Lomn 18:57:29, 2005-08-03 (UTC)

Another short block

Unfortunately your current contributions are almost as disruptive as those you were making before you were blocked recently. A number of very valuable contributors are exhausted from cleaning up the messes you've left behind. This block will last twice as long as the last one. ike9898 19:41, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

An idea!

You should check out WikiCities. This is a place where you could create your own Wiki about the things that interest you, such as the bridges of Portland. Seriously....A big group of people who like Star Trek started their own wiki, because some of the things they wanted to write articles about weren't Misplaced Pages type subjects. Check it out, it might be exactly what you are looking for. ike9898 19:40, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Portland Exposition Building (An Example)

Looking at your stub on the Portland Exposition Building I had planned to nominate it for deletion. However, I saw that it was the second oldest US arena still in operation and did a quick google search on it. I came up with their website and was able to turn the stub into a decent article. All of this took me a little over 5 minutes. If you just put this little bit of effort into your articles, I seriously doubt you'd see so many {{vfd}}'s. -Soltak 21:56, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

overuse of the 'expand' template

I don't think you should put this template:


in to every article you edit. It's pretty obvious that a 2-sentence stub needs to be expanded. Just aesthetically, if an article is 50% or more templates, it is unattractive. And by the way, (I'm going to ask you very nicely once more) please, please, please DO NOT START any more new articles unless you can write 3 coherent, NPOV sentences about the subject. If you don't know enough about the subject to do this, don't start the article; someone else will do it soon enough if it is truely a notable subject.

I really wish you would try to demonstrate that you understand what we are talking about by volutarily restraining yourself from creating any more new articles for an entire week. Instead put all your effort into improving the hundreds of stubs you have created. This would really demonstrate that you are making a good faith effort to listen to the advice you are recieving from long-time Wikipedians and that you want to become a valuable contributor. ike9898 21:30, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

The articles over at Perry's Ice Cream and Carter's Ink are excellent. In fact, Carter's is your single best original work to date. Outstanding job! They do everything a good, short article is supposed to do, but then you came back with some very limited articles, like "Honker" and the reference to the one-time "Arthur" character. You see, information about small characters isn't really good as articles on their own. It's very valuable at the bigger articles. "Honker" could have been added to the main Sesame Street article, for example. Like Ike said, let's do two things together. First, no more "expand" templates and no more super-short articles. Now that you're beginning to see how this place works, we need to polish your editing a bit. The template isn't needed...and it's kind of ugly, anyway.  :) The other thing I'd like you to do is to let one of us know what you'd like to write about next before you sit down to write it. I've bolded this since this is important. We can tell you whether the subject is worth an article. If it is, we can research it together before we write it together. Call it a "collaborative effort." OK? - Lucky 6.9 00:21, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Also note that the 'expand' template, when you insert it, includes a link to another Misplaced Pages page where you are supposed to list how you think the article should be expanded. It is confusing for other editors to come across this tag as an orphan without any discussion on either the article's Talk page or that Requests list. As others have noted, the 'expand' tag is not typically used by the creator of a page - you would be better off writing a bit more per article and then applying the appropriate Stub tag if you don't feel you can move further. ESkog 16:06, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

People On Here Generally Try To Help

Hey man, if it seems like people are being tough on you in here, it isn't usually anything personal, it's just an attempt to get newcomers get up to speed on how things work around here, and people can definately get frustrated when they feel like they're being ignored. One sentence articles are definately not ok unless they're placeholders for future expansion. I often make stubs, which are not great, but acceptable. However, it sounds like you're making sub stubs, which aren't acceptable. Don't worry, over time you will get better at this editing stuff ;-) Karmafist 20:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Some good advice

Go find a print encyclopedia, like Britanica or even Microsoft Encarta. See if any of them have an entry as short as yours on Rob Minkoff. When was he born? Doesn't say. Is that his only movie? Doesn't say. Where was he trained? Doesn't say. What you wrote there is not an encyclopedia article. You were improving, writing some good stubs, but now you're doing this again. Why? --Scimitar 16:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Scimitar is right. Maoririder, we want to help you, but if you keep on going off in whatever direction you feel like, we are going to have problems and no one wants that. It only took a few seconds for Scimitar to run "Rob Minkoff" on Google and only a few more seconds to make a real stub article out of your entry. Look at the difference those seconds of effort made. Simply pulling "Stuart Little 2" out of your video collection, looking at the cast and crew credits and writing a sentence about the director isn't enough. It is good that you found that an important filmmaker didn't have an article. But, you fell short by not doing a bit of homework first. Please do what we're asking. - Lucky 6.9 17:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Digit LeBoid

Please leave messages for other users on their User talk pages, not on their User pages. I moved the msg you left for User:Digit LeBoid to User talk:Digit LeBoid. Please use user talk pages in future. it is generally considered a poor idea to edit another user's user page without that user's permission excpet for a few special cases that don't apply to ordinary msgs. DES 17:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Request for Comment

Given your continued behaviour, I have initiated a request for comment concerning you. You may respond to it and see developments at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Maoririder. --Scimitar 18:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Clifford

Please see my comments on Talk:Clifford_the_Big_Red_Dog about the wikify tag. I don't believe that it is needed. --JimmyTheWig 12:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Randall Weems

OK, I'm not sure why you did this. You created an article Randall Weems, and in your initial creation of the page, tagged it for vfd. You then voted "keep" on its vfd page. If you're creating notable articles, there's no reason to tag them with vfd. If you're creating articles that you know are non-notable, then you shouldn't be creating them at all. -Satori 18:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

He is a character on Recess. --Maoririder 18:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC) Deserves own article. --Maoririder 18:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

This is a first.  :) Maori, if you didn't want it to stay, why VfD it and then move to keep it? I can redirect it back to the article about "Recess" unless you can substantially improve it. Otherwise, what you did isn't really the right thing to have done. Would you like to work together on this? - Lucky 6.9 18:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Deffinitly. --Maoririder 18:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC) How to help? --Maoririder 18:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Do you understand what listing an article on the VfD page means? Articles are listed there by a user who wants to eliminate the article. You listed the Randall Weems article. ike9898 18:54, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

He's right. You just voted to delete your own article.  :) Here's what we are going to do. You're going to learn by example, OK? I'm going over to google.com and entering the name, "Randall Weems." I'm sure I'll get a substantial number of hits that will tell me more about the character. Next, I want you to see what I do with the article so that you can get an idea of what a short article should look like. Finally, I'd like you to think of something else to write about. Tell me what it is before you do. Then, research it on Google and write at least three sentences in your own words about it. OK with you? - Lucky 6.9 18:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Must add on.


LUCKY is the best --Maoririder 19:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC) YOU ADDED MORE TO RANDALL WEEMS!

Thanks.  :) See the difference? - Lucky 6.9 19:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You work miracles. What did you do just go to google and type in Randall Weems or type in Recess? --Maoririder 19:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I typed in Randall Weems and got hits about both the cartoon character and the golfer. Typing in Randall Weems Recess narrowed the search. Miracles? All part of the job, my friend. - Lucky 6.9 19:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Now, Maori, what we need is for you to understand what Lucky's trying to show you. Someone can't always follow you around to clean up your new articles. You need to be writing stubs more like Randall Weems was after Lucky rewrote it. But you just created another sub-stub at King Club. Can you see the difference between that article and the new Randall Weems article? -Satori 19:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, please look at the Starting Over (television) article and note the differences between your original version and the current version. Happy editing! Extraordinary Machine 15:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Request for Comment

As you have yet to respond, I thought it wise to again bring to your attention that a Request for Comment has been initiated against you. You should review and respond to the charges here. Soltak 21:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, Maoririder. I wan to try and help you answer the Request for comment about you. Do you understand what you're supposed to do? --Scimitar 16:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)