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Bensaccount continues to defy NPOV policy, and rather than reporting the mainstream scientific view as a view, he insists on reporting the mainstream scientific view as "fact" or "true" and anything opposed to it as factually untrue or factually unscientific. i.e. Bensaccount insists on reporting from the "Scientific Point Of View" (SPOV).

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The dispute revolves around Bensaccount's insistance on editing according to the "Scientific Point Of View", versus the "Neutral Point Of View". NPOV policy says to report the mainstream scientific views as the mainstream scientific views. Bensaccount shows a repeated history of representing the mainstream scientific point of view as fact. This dispute has been going on the Creation Science article for roughly two weeks now and despite attempts from several editors, Bensaccount refuses to change his editing behaviour. This recent post by Bensaccount on the Creation Science talk page basically sums up his position and his unwillingness to follow NPOV policy:

"You have absolutely no grasp of science FuelWagon. Science is not a point of view. Do you think that by misquoting me you will advance your cause and have all relevant facts omitted from the intro? Its not going to work. Yes views are opinions, but no I never I have nothing against them. My problem is with people replacing facts with views and pretending they are the same." Bensaccount 19:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Bensaccount refuses to report the mainstream point of view as being a view from a group or an individual and instead insists on reporting as "fact" that CS is pseudoscience, that CS commits logical fallacies, that the CS doesn't meet the webster definition of "science" therefore it is not scientific, and so on. This recent post sums up his defiance against reporting "points of view":

"NPOV does not allow you to give preference to certain views so unless you plan to include every quotation from every magazine that has ever written anything about CS (and I guarantee there will be more pros than cons) you are going to have to remove your biased quotations." Bensaccount 18:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I inserted a sourced quote from the National Academy of Science and another sourced quote from Skeptic magazine as expressing the mainstream scientific view that considers Creation Science to be pseudoscience. This in accordance with NPOV policy to report the different views from their sources. Bensaccount refuses to report mainstream scientific views as views, and instead insists on reporting from the "scientific point of view", namely that the mainstream view of science is fact and anything counter to it is false. Bensaccount repeatedly removes the sourced quotes and replaces it with undisputed assertions of fact that "CS is not scientific" or similar statements that follow SPOV.

The Creation Science article is undergoing "churn" with the same disputed issues being inserted and removed over and over again, rather than the article making any real progress towards consensus. Editors on the Creation Science page have been attempting to resolve this dispute with Bensaccount for two weeks, but the above recent posts from Bensaccount indicate his continued defiance of NPOV. It is clear that Bensaccount is an intelligent editor and knows the subject matter of the articles, however his continued defiance of NPOV makes work for other editors to fix, causes revert wars, and fills the talk pages. It is hoped that this RFC will alter his editing behaviour so that he can contribute to the articles within wikipedia policy.

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1. FuelWagon 03:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

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