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This talk page was refactored on 19 July 2005. Previous versions available "history" above.

First President and "under the Constitution" issues

I removed "under the current Constitution", because, despite many many urban legends, there were NO other Presidents of the United States before Washington, they were called President of the United States in Congress Assembled, and was nothing more than chairman of the Continental Congress. Also, this article is a MAJOR mess. The table and the non-table entries overlap each other. -- Zoe

They shouldn't overlap now--at least on my screen they don't. In general I found that most of the presidents have little to no information about them, which is why I started making the tables. I hope to follow it up with some biographical information. Even in this particular case, more space seems to be spent on the cherry tree story and his rank as a Freemason than on his actual presidency and legacy. Danny

I have no problem with the tables, it was just impossible to read. :-)

You're right, it does need work, I'll try to do some when I get a chance -- Zoe

But, they're still overlapping -- Zoe

Zoe has a very valid point about the 'under the current constitution' wording. Yes there were men who had the title of President before Washington but this was because the presided over the Congress. The President back then would be the equivalent of the Speaker of the House combined with the responsibility of being the head of the federal government bureaucracy and, if memory serves, was appointed by Congress on a yearly basis. The Congress is where the real power was; they are the only ones who had the authority to set policy. In essence the President was little more than a bureaucrat who had to largely do the bidding of Congress. See President of the United States of America for a better explanation. Therefore it is highly misleading to say 'President under the current constitution' because the earlier position by that name is not at all what we would now call a 'President'. --mav

President of the Union

oop. I guess I should say a kind of "sorry" for putting back in the 11th President of the Union fact, but however you wanna wrangle with the words, he was the 11th of the Union and the 1st of the Constitutional union. If you count your country beginning in 1776 instead of 1789, you really oughta give some credit to persons at the head of it meantimes. =p In any case, I don't think it does WP any good to ignore this dispute/debate/error on the GW main page. Reword if you feel you must - there may indeed be a problem with "11th president of the USA" as opposed to "11th of the Union", but for God's sake don't go sweeping it under the rug again. There's little point to an "encyclopaedia" that simply repeats what "everyone knows" and no point to it if it's not quite the truth.

This has been covered in discussion elsewhere (though unfortunately I don't remember exactly where); the distinction is made between President of the United States (constitutional form) and President of the United States in Congress assembled (which Washington never was). It's not so much that Misplaced Pages is ignoring that period (each of the previous ten has an article), but it's inaccurate to call them "President of the United States" or even "President of the Union; it was a completely different office with different powers etc. - Hephaestos 22:12, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

see President of the United States in Congress assembled. As Hephaestos points out, Misplaced Pages has not "simply repeated" what "everyone knows": it has sorted out the facts pertaining to this particular urban legend. -- Someone else 22:19, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Do we have a page for the Presidents of the Cont Congress pre Art of Confedency. I have heard the arguement of Hanson being consider the first pres because he was president of congress at the time of the adoption of the articles but what about pre AOC presidents like Handcock who was president of the congress July 1776Smith03 22:33, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

President at time of ratification of the articles. I'm such a nitpicking pest! - Woodrow XXIII, Emperor of the United States, Minister of Ministry 00:46, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I can't find one. Rmhermen 22:50, Oct 7, 2003 (UTC)

I made a stub at President of Continental Congress. Should it be at President of the Continental Congress? Rmhermen 23:19, Oct 7, 2003 (UTC)

Now I see that President of Continental Congress and President of the United States in Congress assembled information is duplicated in the President of the United States article. Is this necessary? Rmhermen 23:24, Oct 7, 2003 (UTC)

I'd cut out extra info there and move it to the appropriate article ... for what it's worth (I made the main article links) reddi 01:26, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Just a status note: I've combined the material for the two President of the Congress articles, and adjusted some of the President of the United States to try to clean up some of this whole area. I will still try to improve some of the biographies of the CC presidents. Lou I 23:05, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Note on the Cyrus Griffin link

Since the Articles of Confederation is the legitimate predecessor to the current Constitution, the link should be established showing the transition of power between authorities. -- EmperorBMA / ブリイアン 04:25, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

In consideration, nevermind... removed. -- EmperorBMA / ブリイアン 04:42, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Very nicely done, I think -- Nunh-huh 04:44, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

remove "under the constitution

The qualifier "under the constitution" after "first president of the US" is awkward and out of place. Do all the other presidential entries need to be amended? Should Ronald Reagon be called the 40th president "under the constitution" because there were men who held a completely seperate office but also called president under the Articles of the Confederation?

Good point. Sometimes the thought is right there but the language isn't. Needs adjustment. Robby159 15:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Religious beliefs

The new (JUL 2004 ) article says: "George Washington was one of the few early American Presidents who was not a total follower of any one specific Christian denomination."

I think it would be more accurate to say: "Like many of the Founding Fathers & earliest presidents, Washington was a Deist. He occasionally accompanied others (his wife especially) to Christian churches but never became a communicant. Before the Revolution, holding church office was a condition of membership in the Virginia House of Burgesses, and so Washington was also then a vestryman in an Episcopal church."

My research indicates that virtually all presidents at least up to and including Grant cannot be counted as "Christians". A great many were Deists. Several often expressed the social utility of having people believing in some religion, without necessarily including themselves among those needing such "faith". Many accompanied their wives to church services, but did not consider themselves members of any church. Washington repeatedly left the church before communion services.

Many states still had established religions & religious tests for office (even in 2004 MA, MD, NC, PA, SC, TN, and TX STILL have religious tests for office). No one wanted to be branded an infidel (as Jefferson had been), so there were several reasons to be quiet about not being Christians.

Washington: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_3.html

Adams & others: http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/founders.htm

Jefferson: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_2.html

Madison: http://www.humanistsofutah.org/1995/artmay95.html

Madison: http://lcweb.loc.gov/loc/madison/hutson-paper.html

Lincoln: http://www.adherents.com/misc/Lincoln.html

Lincoln: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/steiner0.htm

Grant: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_6.html

4 Unitarians: http://www.mind.net/rvuuf/pages/4pres.htm

http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc550.html

http://www.straighttalkers.com/new_page_1.htm

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html

Why can't you put all these links on an article called Religious beliefs rather than the Talk:George Washington article?? They don't necessarily have to do with George Washington. 66.32.139.109 00:32, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

They have to do with George Washington's religious beliefs. - Woodrow XXIII, Emperor of the United States, Minister of Ministry 00:33, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Not necessarily. They have to do with religious beliefs about the Presidents of the United States. 66.32.139.109 00:35, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Up to President Grant, which includes George Washington. I haven't checked, but isn't this the only article which has some focus on a President's religious beliefs? - Woodrow XXIII, Emperor of the United States, Minister of Ministry 00:44, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Try moving this to the Talk:Presidents of the United States page. That makes much more sense to me because that is a page for talk about U.S. Presidents in general, while this page is for talking about George Washington Or, you may move these links to the appropriate President's page (e.g. Thomas Jefferson's religious beliefs should go on Thomas Jefferson.) Any objections?? 66.32.139.109 00:48, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Site by site at Misplaced Pages:Presidential religions? - Woodrow XXIII, Emperor of the United States, Minister of Ministry 00:53, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

the older article said

"George Washington was arguably one of the few American Presidents who was not a Christian."

the 2004-JUL article now says

"George Washington was one of the few early American Presidents who was not a total follower of any one specific Christian denomination."

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html

"If a member of the Episcopal Church is supposed to be a communicant, Washington and William Henry Harrison were not Episcopalians; and there is no evidence Madison, Monroe, Taylor, Tyler and Arthur were. The lumping together of so many Presidents as Episcopalians is due to the fact that St. John's Church of that denomination, in Washington, is located only 3,000 yards from the White House, on Lafayette Square."

"That Washington was a vestryman has no special significance religiously. In Virginia, this office was also political. The vestry managed the civil affairs of the parish, among others, the assessment of taxes. Being the largest property holder in the parish, Washington could hardly afford not to be a vestryman, which office he would have to hold before he could become a member of the House of Burgesses. Thomas Jefferson, a pronounced unbeliever, was also a vestryman, and for the same reasons. General A.W. Greeley once said, in 'The Ladies Home Journal,' that in that day "it required no more religion to be a vestryman than it did to sail a ship." It is remarkable, after the civil functions of the vestry were abolished in Virginia, in 1780, how few times Washington attended church. He no longer had a business reason for going."

...

Benjamin Harrison, the 23rd President of the United States, was a great-grandson of Benjamin Harrison, who signed the Declaration of Independence, and a grandson of William Henry Harrison, the ninth President, at whose house he was born, in 1833. He was a Presbyterian, an elder in the Church, and the first President who was unquestionably a communicant in an orthodox Church at the time he was elected. Grover Cleveland was a communicant in his youth and late in life, but there is no evidence that he was such when he was first elected.

Both Adams' were Unitarian. Unitarians do not believe Jesus is/was God, and so cannot be really regarded as Christian.

Jefferson was a Deist. Madison kept his religious views to himself, but agreed with Jefferson on many things - especially separation of church & state. -- JimWae; 2004-Nov

Religious writings

It's very fair to say that GW was "religiously tolerant" and open minded, however, it's not conclusive to say that he did not view himself as a Christian. At the very least, present both aspects in the article on GW's religious beliefs and indicate there is evidence for both sides.

Numerous sources of his own writing indicate direct references to Christian belief and activity.

namely:

"... the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation. "

from: George Washington's Circular to the States, June 8, 1783, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XXVI (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 496.

-Response: Divine Author is Deist terminology. --JimWae 09:37, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

and a letter to the leaders of Native American communities in Delaware: (ostensibilty proselytizing)

"You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention."

from: George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XV (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 55.

Response:Many of these Delaware Indians chiefs were already Christian. The Delawares (Lenapes) were among the few Indian tribes NOT fighting against the colonists & for the British (who by Treaty of Paris (1763) had prohibited colonists from settling in Indian Territories). The Delawares were in trouble with other tribes & were (or would soon be)negotiating terms favorable to their resettlement (homes & church) further West. Washington was being diplomatic, passing responsibility to Congress, & complimenting on things they were already proud of. Many ended up mistakenly massacred by Pennsylvania militia in 1782.

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/ohc/history/h_indian/tribes/delaware.shtml

-- --JimWae 08:08, 2004 Nov 25 (UTC)

and from a private letter:

"The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations. "

from:

George Washington's letter of August 20, 1778 to Brig. General Thomas Nelson, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XII (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 343.

Response: Providence is Deist terminology. --JimWae 09:37, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

To ignore these very easily found and referenced items and claim outright that GW was not a Christian is intellectual dishonesty and revisionism of the worst sort.

Response:One needs to have an idea what a Deist is to participate in this properly --JimWae 09:37, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

JJW says look here --- http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/washington.htm

If one were to take a peek at Washington’s papers at the Library of Congress, one would quickly see that the man was not a “deist” by any stretch of the imagination. Those who say that Washington was a “deist” are not interested even in the man’s own words; they are interested in rewriting history to ease their own guilty consciences. The link above that JJW provides is one of an agenda. Why not try searching for the truth and go straight to the source?

Just one example: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw300388))

There is nothing there that shows him not to be a deist, even had he written it himself --JimWae 06:45, 2005 August 19 (UTC)

This is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a forum for personal agenda; deism by definition is the belief that once He created everything God no longer is involved in the affairs of man. This is clearly not what George Washington believed. In his own words:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw050322))

The section on Washington’s religious beliefs needs to, and will, present the truth.

There is plenty of evidence of his deism; this is not simply a personal agenda on my part. Prayers are not always for divine intervention, but also serve as a form of meditation & self-cleansing - perhaps even with future consequences. The article mentions how important he thought religion & religious observances were. Orders he gives as a general cannot always be taken to reflect his own personal beliefs, but also can be seen as an appeal to the motivations of those he is addressing. There are also deists who do believe that God does sometimes intervene. --JimWae 05:15, 2005 August 22 (UTC)

Oh, so now you interject what you "think" he might have meant with all of his ref. to God? That is "agenda" driven. Somehow I knew that you would resort to this self-interpretation of Washington's words.

You have declared your agenda. You are making blind reversions without considering or responding to points made in edit summaries. You have removed well-supported sentences & phrases. He also supported the religious freedom of Muslims & atheists. Many Christians accept he was a deist too. Saying "among atheists & agnostics" is misleading & clearly shows your POV. Please read the Deism article--JimWae 05:57, 2005 August 22 (UTC)

Sight credible sources that Washington supported “religious pluralism”; “atheism” websites will not suffice. In the meantime, also sight credible references that Washington was a “deist” and that every time he spoke of Jesus, God, righteousness, prayer, Heaven, etc., he meant it in an “deistic way. At the same time, prove that his prayer journals are not really his own.

Jews

On the other hand he is also credited with the statment "The Jews work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in ... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

This would appear to be a fact, why was it removed? Has anyone got proof that he never said such a thing? If it is in fact not true, it seems to be a popular misconception, so it should be debunked in the article. -Martin

Martin: Both of those sources cite "Maxims of George Washington". Read more at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html about that.... --Gabbe 18:39 Dec 18, 2002 (UTC)

The following material was removed by 217.127.141.173:

In recent years Washington's image has been unfairly tarnished by anti-Semites who attempt to use his name to further their goals. Many anti-Semitic Arab and Neo-Nazi books, journals and websites offer forged "quotes" supposedly by America's founding fathers, especially George Washington and Benjamin Franklin. These supposed quotes have been debunked as forgeries by historians.
- - Example of an Anti-Semitic website pushing fraudulent quotes from America's founding fathers - - Egyptian government sponsored press spreads Anti-Semitic forgeries about Washington and Franklin -
- Urban Legends website debunks the anti-Semitic Washington quote forgery

The reason given (on my talk page) is that the material is "out-of-place, not noteworthy enough to be mentioned in an encyclopedia article, stigmatizing and written by somebody with an axe to grind. "

I generally find snopes.com to be quite useful in sorting out disinformation, but let others judge. -- Someone else 03:32 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I personally find the information somewhat irrelevant to an article on Washington, as it rarely comes up, and the single sentence already there suffices to inform that Washington was not an anti-Semite. Given that the exact same content was added word-for-word to several articles (this one and Benjamin Franklin are the two I know of), it strikes me as a somewhat POV attempt to attack Arab anti-Semitism in the guise of defending 18th-century Americans. --Delirium 03:39 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I don't disagree that it seems disproportionate. The Snopes link may come in handy if someone stops by to add in bogus quotes. -- Someone else 03:43 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I think the lines badly written and out of place. FearÉIREANN 03:50 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Odd stories

As a matter of historical curiousity, has everyone heard the three stories about George Washington that circulated over the years:

that Washington was a eunich;
that 'he' was really a she in disguise; (a US presidential 'pope Joan!!!')
that in 1798, Washington wrote a letter to Sally Fairfax, wife of his friend George Fairfax, asking her to leave her husband and 'run away' with him. She never replied to his letter, helping to preserve the 'fairy tale' image of the 'George and Martha love affair' that never was true, certainly not in a sexual sense. JTD 03:19 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

I think I'd heard reference to the the third, but this is the first time I've heard the first 2 rumors. -- Infrogmation

Apparently someone even checked his corpse just to be sure he . . . em . . . dangled (if you catch my drift!). And sure enough, he dangled. So the stories that there was something very feminine about him, with soft small hands and a lack of a need to shave. His body shape and also some his behaviour led to rumours to the effect that he could be, like the legendary and possibly mythical Pope Joan, a woman who got places in a male patriarchal society by 'pretending' to be a man. The fact that he never fathered children, had no love affairs (apart from one rumour that was spread around by friends that seems to have been intended to kill of the other rumours, just as a rumour was spread around by Lincoln's 'true love' when gossip began to spread about whether he was a homosexual) all added fuel to the fire. But then US presidents attract rumours the way Bill Clinton attracts women. And there is about as much truth to most of them as in Bill's claim that 'I did not have sex with that woman'. JTD 05:34 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

Father of his/the/our Country

Hmmm... I've always read this as "Father of The Country", but Google seems to disagree:

597 hits: "George Washington" "father of the country"
4730 hits: "George Washington" "father of his country"

I had changed it to "Father of the Country" before double-checking with a Google search, but a little more digging found that the most common expression seems to be:

8840 hits: "George Washington" "father of our country"

So, I'm going with that. Daniel Quinlan 18:55, Oct 25, 2003 (UTC)

Honored Americans

Do you know of a list of Americans who get honored in order by how often they get honored?? (There is a site called "The Political Graveyard" that you can use as a reference tool.) Here are some ways:

By having a portrait on a denomination of U.S. coins or U.S. currency (For example, George Washington's portrait is on the $1 bill and quarter.)

By having a state, city, or county named after him. (For example, the state of Washington as well as the capital city of the United States, as well as several counties were named for George Washington.) The total counts as one honor per city, state, or county.

By having a geographic feature, such as a mountain, named after him.

By having a person from a later time in history be named for him. (For example, we have Washington Irving and George Washington Carver.) The total counts as one honor per person being named.

By being carved in a known area. (For example, George Washington has a statue carved at Mount Rushmore.)

By having a college or university named after him.

By having a holiday in their honor.

By being honored with an award, medal, or knighthood.

By having a navy ship named after them.

By being compared to another.

As far as I know, I believe it is most likely that George Washington got honored the most, followed by Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. How far do you know about how this list goes?? Try to make it go as far as you can, at least to #10; there is no maximum limit. You may include any American who lived entirely between 1706 and 1945.

Some possible answers that could rank somewhere from #11 to #16 include James Monroe, John Q. Adams, Henry Clay, James Polk, Robert E. Lee, and Woodrow Wilson. Try to put them wherever they go in this list, but remember that there really is no maximum, as long as you are using Americans who lived entirely between 1706 and 1945.66.32.139.147 17:21, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Honors

George Washington

$1 bill
quarter
$50 war bond
Mount Rushmore
Washington state
Washington, D.C.
Washington County, Alabama
Washington County, Arkansas
Washington County, Colorado
Washington County, Florida
Washington County, Georgia
Washington County, Idaho
Washington County, Illinois
Washington County, Indiana
Washington County, Kansas
Washington County, Kentucky
Washington County, Maine
Washington County, Maryland
Washington County, Minnesota
Washington County, Mississippi
Washington County, Missouri
Washington County, Nebraska
Washington County, New York
Washington County, North Carolina
Washington County, Ohio
Washington County, Oklahoma
Washington County, Oregon
Washington County, Pennsylvania
Washington County, Rhode Island
Washington County, Tennessee
Washington County, Utah
Washington County, Vermont
Washington County, Virginia
Washington Parish, Louisiana
Mount Washington in New Hampshire
George Washington Carver
Washington Irving
USS George Washington (SSBN-598)
USS George Washington (CVN-73)
George Washington University
Washington and Lee University
Washington and Jefferson College
Washington University in St. Louis (?)
Washington Township, New Jersey
Washington Monument, Washington, D.C.
George Washington Doane
Cincinnati, Ohio (he was called "The American Cincinnatus")

Thomas Jefferson

$2 bill
nickel
Mount Rushmore
Jefferson City, Missouri
Jefferson, Maine
Jefferson, Texas (Jefferson County, Texas was named for this city, not for the President)
Jefferson County, Alabama
Jefferson County, Arkansas
Jefferson County, Colorado
Jefferson County, Florida
Jefferson County, Georgia
Jefferson County, Idaho
Jefferson County, Illinois
Jefferson County, Indiana
Jefferson County, Iowa
Jefferson County, Kansas (?)
Jefferson County, Kentucky
Jefferson County, Mississippi (?)
Jefferson County, Missouri
Jefferson County, Montana (?)
Jefferson County, Nebraska
Jefferson County, New York
Jefferson County, Ohio
Jefferson County, Oklahoma
Jefferson County, Pennsylvania
Jefferson County, Washington (?)
Jefferson County, West Virginia
Jefferson County, Wisconsin
Jefferson Parish, Louisiana (?)
Mount Jefferson in New Hampshire
Mount Jefferson in Oregon (Jefferson County, Oregon was named for this mountain, not for the President)
Jefferson Memorial
USS Thomas Jefferson (SSBN-618)
Jefferson Davis
William Jefferson Clinton
Washington and Jefferson College

Andrew Jackson

$10 bill (1914-1928)
$20 bill (1928-present)
Jacksonville, Florida
Jackson, Mississippi
Jackson, Georgia
Jackson, Ohio
Jacksonville, Florida (Called Cowford from 1816 to 1822)
Jackson County, Alabama
Jackson County, Arkansas
Jackson County, Colorado
Jackson County, Florida
Jackson County, Illinois
Jackson County, Indiana
Jackson County, Iowa
Jackson County, Kansas
Jackson County, Kentucky
Jackson County, Michigan
Jackson County, Mississippi
Jackson County, Missouri
Jackson County, North Carolina
Jackson County, Ohio
Jackson County, Oklahoma
Jackson County, Oregon
Jackson County, Tennessee
Jackson County, Texas
Jackson County, West Virginia
Jackson County, Wisconsin
Jackson Parish, Louisiana
Hickory County, Missouri (named for his nickname, "Old Hickory")
Mount Jackson in New Hampshire
USS Andrew Jackson (SSBN-619)

James Madison

5000 bill (1918-1946)
$200 war bond
Madison, Wisconsin
Madison, Georgia
Madisonville, Kentucky
Madison County, Alabama
Madison County, Arkansas
Madison County, Florida
Madison County, Georgia
Madison County, Idaho
Madison County, Illinois
Madison County, Indiana
Madison County, Iowa
Madison County, Kentucky
Madison County, Mississippi
Madison County, Missouri
Madison County, Montana
Madison County, Nebraska
Madison County, New York
Madison County, North Carolina
Madison County, Ohio
Madison County, Tennessee
Madison County, Texas
Madison County, Virginia
Mount Madison in New Hampshire
James Madison University
USS James Madison (SSBN-627)

Abraham Lincoln

Penny
$5 bill
Illinois State Quarter (has Lincoln on the back)
Mount Rushmore
Lincoln Memorial
Lincoln Highway (Runs from New York to San Francisco. The route is approximated today by Interstate Highway 80 and U.S. Highway 30 and was the first coast to coast paved road in the United States.)
Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum (Springfield, Illinois)
The Lincoln Museum (Ft. Wayne, Indiana)
The Lincoln Museum (Harrogate, Tennessee)
Lincoln Bedroom
Lincoln Logs
Lincoln Cars
Lincoln Life Insurance Co.
Lincoln, Alabama
Lincoln, Arkansas
Lincoln, California
Lincoln, Colorado
Lincoln, Idaho
Lincoln, Illinois (Founded 1853, only city or town named after Lincoln during his lifetime)
Lincoln, Indiana
Lincoln, Iowa
Lincoln, Kansas
Lincoln, Nebraska (Was Lancaster until 1869)
Lincoln, New Mexico
Lincoln, North Dakota
Lincoln, Maine
Lincoln, Michigan
Lincoln, Minnesota
Lincoln, Missouri
Lincoln, Montana
Lincoln, Oklahoma
Lincoln, Oregon
Lincoln, Pennsylvania
Lincoln, South Dakota
Lincoln, Tennessee
Lincoln, Texas
Lincoln, Utah
Lincoln, Washington
Lincoln, West Virginia
Lincoln, Wisconsin
Lincoln Acres, California
Lincoln Beach, Missouri
Lincoln Beach, Oregon
Lincoln Center, Iowa
Lincoln Center, Maine
Lincoln City, Indiana
Lincoln City, Nevada
Lincoln City, Oregon
Lincoln Crest, California
Lincoln Estates, Illinois
Lincoln Estates, Virginia
Lincoln Falls, Pennsylvania
Lincoln Heights, California
Lincoln Heights, Ohio
Lincoln Heights, Illinois
Lincoln Heights, Louisiana
Lincoln Heights, North Carolina
Lincoln Heights, Pennsylvania
Lincoln Heights, Virginia
Lincoln Hill, Pennsylvania
Lincoln Hills, Colorado
Lincoln Hills, Illinois
Lincoln Hills, Indiana
Lincoln Junction, Michigan
Lincoln Mills, Maine
Lincoln Park, Colorado
Lincoln Park, Louisiana
Lincoln Park, Michigan
Lincoln Park, Nevada
Lincoln Park, New Hampshire
Lincoln Park, New Jersey
Lincoln Park, New York
Lincoln Park, North Carolina
Lincoln Park, Ohio
Lincoln Park, Pennsylvania
Lincoln Park, Tennessee
Lincoln Park, Texas
Lincoln Park, Rhode Island
Lincoln Park, Virginia
Lincoln Park, West Virginia
Lincoln Pioneer Village, Indiana
Lincoln Ridge, Kentucky
Lincoln Terrace, Arkansas
Lincoln Terrace, Pennsylvania
Lincoln Valley, North Dakota
Lincoln Village, California
Lincoln Village, Indiana
Lincolndale, New York
Lincolnshire, Illinois
Lincolnshire, Indiana
Lincolnshire, Kentucky
Lincolnville, Indiana
Lincolnville, Maine
Lincolnville, Kansas
Lincolnville, Oklahoma
Lincolnville, Ohio
Lincolnville Center, Maine
Lincolnway Village, Iowa
Lincolnwood, Illinois
Lincolnwood Hills, Illinois
Lincoln College (in Lincoln, Illinois - Dedicated February 12, 1865, the only college or university named after Lincoln during his lifetime)
Lincoln University (Pennsylvania)
Lincoln Memorial University (Tennessee)
Lincoln County, Arkansas
Lincoln County, Colorado
Lincoln County, Idaho
Lincoln County, Kansas
Lincoln County, Kentucky
Lincoln Parish, Louisiana
Lincoln County, Maine
Lincoln County, Minnesota
Lincoln County, Mississippi
Lincoln County, Montana
Lincoln County, Nebraska
Lincoln County, Nevada
Lincoln County, New Mexico
Lincoln County, Oklahoma
Lincoln County, Oregon
Lincoln County, South Dakota
Lincoln County, Tennessee
Lincoln County, Washington
Lincoln County, West Virginia
Lincoln County, Wisconsin
Lincoln County, Wyoming
Fort Abraham Lincoln (near Bismarck, North Dakota)
Mount Lincoln, New Hampshire
Lincoln National Forest, New Mexico
USS Abraham Lincoln (SSBN-602)
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)
Land of Lincoln (Illinois state nickname)
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How come nobody is focusing on the "Honored Americans" section any more?? Can anyone think of a new Misplaced Pages article to move this section to?? 66.32.131.87 20:27, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Birth date

I just added some date notes to the "Early Life" section and changed the Old Style year of his birth to 1731 (I did it 1732|1731, so clicking on the Old Style year brings you to the correct Gregorian year).

Reason: At the time of Washington's birth, England started its new years on March 25, not January 1. For English Old Style dates prior to March 25, it's necessary to subtract 1 from the Gregorian year to get the correct Old Style year. See the Mixed-style date page for a good explanation of this issue. Dale Arnett 01:15, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC) __

Ahem - the switch from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar advanced the date by 11 days in the 1700s. The year, however, should really be the same - either 1731 or 1732. I don't know which would be correct, but both the "old style" and the "new style" date must have the same year. Lupo 14:52, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Forget it, I learned something new today. Double dating is really bizarre... Lupo 15:10, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Washington's poet friend?

I may be getting my Presidents mixed up, but I remember reading in one of my English classes poetry by a black female poet who held audience with Washington a couple of times -- apparently, he was quite fond of her. I recall she coined the word "Colombia" in reference to the New World in one of her patriotic poems. I've been trying to recall her name, but with no luck. Since I was thinking on writing an article on "Colombia" in this sense (the current article there on the Republic of Colombia will have to be moved :P ), it would be good if I had her name and could find that poem... Any ideas? Garrett Albright 06:16, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Washington apparently wrote a letter to Phillis Wheatley in appreciation of her poems. I don't know that they ever actually met or if "Colombia" appears in her poetry, but it's a place to look. -- Nunh-huh 06:21, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

(The word in question was "Columbia.")

Birthplace

My book Presidential Places says that he was born in Washington's Birthplace, Virginia not Wakefield, Virginia. User:Patricknoddy User talk:Patricknoddy 15:51 August 25, 2004 (EDT)

Wakefield

Wakefield, Virginia is in Sussex County, Virginia not Westmoreland County --Patricknoddy 19:57, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)User:Patricknoddy --Patricknoddy 19:57, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)User talk:Patricknoddy 15:57 August 25, 2004 (EDT)

This is a thorny issue, but I had to change it since saying his birthplace was "Washington's Birthplace" tells us nothing. I have two sources saying he was born in Wakefield; however, it's apparently in the wrong region of Virginia. Unless it's a different Wakefield, we could change it to "Pope's Creek," "Ferry Farm," or just "Westmoreland County" -- which are other locations for his birthplace I've seen. Brutannica 02:40, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ferry Farm was his childhood home, if I'm not mistaken (I live within a few miles of that area)... ugen64 01:21, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Do you know his birthplace?? Brutannica 01:33, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, someone wrote "Pope's Creek," so I guess the issue's closed. Anyone know how Wakefield has to do with anything? Brutannica 03:48, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

His birthplace is not Pope's Creek, Virginia it is Colonial Beach, Virginia. --Patricknoddy 11:32, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)User:Patricknoddy --Patricknoddy 11:32, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)User talk:Patricknoddy 7:31 September 16, 2004 (EDT)

No, Colonial Beach was nearby, he wasn't actually born there. Brutannica 00:40, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The website for the reports that he was born at a place known as Pope's Creek Plantation. The closest municipality is Colonial Beach, Virginia. The first paragraph under Early Life describes this as well. Since Colonial Beach is actuall several miles distance from the monument, I think it is probably best to simply list Westmoreland County as Place of Birth in the table with the explanation in the text. older≠wiser 12:27, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Why not just "Pope's Creek Plantation?" Brutannica 00:40, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Final Rank

For the record, I confirmed that Washington was indeed reappointed as a Lieutenant General after serving as President. Some sources give his rank as Major General, but a special bill authoirzing his appointment granted him three stars. He obtained 6 star rank very posthumously in 1976. -Husnock 15:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the 6 star is not quite accurate. The rank is General of the Armies, which was only held by John J. Pershing (besides Washington's posthumous appointment). Pershing never wore more than 4 stars, and the United States Army has never designated an insignia for that rank, which will probably not be used again. --Rogerd 17:47, July 29, 2005 (UTC)