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This weekend, supporters of homeopathy are celebrating the 250th anniversary of the birth of Samuel Hahnemann

  • Given the short nature of this article, as part of a series on famous people in CAM, I have to question that almost half of the article is spent on two rather unimportant issues related to his life's work - namely the reference to Dr. Quinn (why not mention all the others who started a hospital or introduced Hahnemann's system into their country?) and the reference to quarantine. What about some major contributions, such as that he was one of the first to talk about hygiene, the value of fresh air, sunshine, etc., that he fought for the purity of medicines in an age of adulteration, leading homeopaths everywhere to fight for better medical standards, such that in the US and Canada, for example, the homeopaths formed the first medical associations, which the AMA was formed to combat, or that he was a famous chemist and medical translator, his texts used throughout Germany, that he treated royalty, a tradition that continues with the British and Dutch royal families to this day? He was also a strong opponent of "heroic measures" drawing medicines attention back to the Hippocratic nil nocere.

Does anyone else feel this article really does Dr. Hahnemann a disservice? --Rudi 02:55, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

no not anymore, it has been improved in the past year a lot I can see from the history list Pernambuco 16:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Biography

I have added considerable biographical information, which User:Kungfuadam has deleted. Is there some reason why Hahnemann's biography should not be included in an article about him? I am restoring the information. Hgilbert 21:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

While the description of his work and the bibliography are splendid, the biography is woefully incomplete (cf. the German wiki, with a

clear separation of the various stations of his life).Dunnhaupt 23:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Bibliography

I do not understand the two sub headlines which say "Other works cont´d", please explain what this means, thank you. (I am Pernambuco and I have made many edits to the Classical homeopathy article. ) Pernambuco 01:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

request from the Classical homeopathy page

I am involved in a cleaning up process of the article Classical homeopathy but it is a lot of work, I could use help from others, if someone wants to help just go there, and I am also active on the Talks page with the user "Debbe" (a wiki-pedia friend of mine who helps there) so thank you in advance for your help with fixing that page Pernambuco 21:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Reputation as a scientist

Does this need to be so lengthy? It really has an air of desperately trying to prove Hahnemann's worth, and could really be about a third of the length without losing much actual information. It is skating over the edge of NPOV, in my opinion. It's even more ironic that that bumf leaves out one of Hahnemann's non-homeopathic achievements - that of discovering a test for arsenic that is still in use today. I'll add the bit about the arsenic test, and see if anyone has comments about the other glurge in the next month or so before I think of a way to edit to something resembling objective fact. Trxi 11:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

yes, I agree, and this is a problem that we have with other homeopathic related articles too, I am working on improving Classical homeopathy in this regards, so if you want to help I say thank you to you Pernambuco 13:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Ditto. I'm going to take a shot at condensing that section down a lot, it isn't really that relevant. Kupos 22:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I took a shot. I hope I haven't been overly harsh, but there really wasn't much there to salvage. The giant list of works he'd translated was not relevant at all, and the bit before that was just constant gushing praise, all from the one source. I kept the bit about the Marsh Test, since that seems to be verifiable and concrete. Kupos 22:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
o.k. well I like most of what you did, it is actually a much better page now, but I have a little concern, and it is that you also took some of the references/sources away. Well, I added one back in, so maybe now it is fine Pernambuco 02:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Seems good to me! Sorry if I did that, I might have been a bit overenthusiastic with my deleting. Kupos 18:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
you sir are an idiot who should be banned from wikipedia Peter morrell 21:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Woah, easy, easy. I'm not saying that any of this is true or untrue, it's just not encyclopaedic. It's more like an advertisement than a serious biography. The objective is to summarize the life of Hahnemann, not to interminably list reasons why he's wonderful. Articles on far more prominent and famous scientists are nowhere near as fawning. If you have any reason why this huge list should be kept, please post it here. I'll leave it in place for the moment to give you a chance to reply. Kupos 00:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Memorial (photo)

FYI, there is a CreativeCommons licensed photo of the Washington D.C. memorial described in this article: http://flickr.com/photos/bootbearwdc/23392385/. It might be worth uploading to wiki commons. --Georgeryp 05:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 08:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions

Here are some suggestions for improving the article.


  • Expand the intro. The intro should be a 'summary' of the entire article. One sentence is no where near enough.
  • Improve the flow of the article itself by removing quotes where they are not needed and paraphrasing them.
  • Format the "External links" section. All should contain bullets and the name of the link should be the name of the site. After that you can add a "short" explanation of what the link is.

Marsh test

However, the most common test (and used even today in water test kits) was discovered by Samuel Hahnemann. It would involve combining a sample fluid with hydrogen sulfide (H2S) in the presence of hydrochloric acid (HCl). A yellow precipitate, arsenic trisulfide (As2S3) would be formed if arsenic were present. Peter morrell 17:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

That's not the Marsh test (reaction results not stable). I'll figure a way to rewrite it, but a source would be useful. PouponOnToast (talk) 17:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is a reputable source but I don't have full access...maybe you can check it. Peter morrell 18:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hahnemann's test for Arsenic is mentioned on page 202 of this book The Chemical News, Oxford Univ, 1860 which is also downloadable. Peter morrell 18:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it is. Could you quote from your downloadable source? It appears that Hahnemann is used as a source of legal effacy, not chemical tests. PouponOnToast (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You can search for the word 'arsenic' on this text which is reputable if not RS. He definitely did pioneering work on arsenic in chemistry and as a poison. I can give published book sources that are not online. Peter morrell 18:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

On page 52 of Trevor Cook, Samuel Hahnemann Founder of Homeopathic Medicine, UK: Thorson's, 1982 he says "Hahnemann made an indirect contribution to chemistry in publishing a test for wine, which came to be officially adopted in Prussia and known as 'Hahnemann's Wine Test.'...to test for poisonous lead in wine...the basis of the test was the preciptation of the sulphides of lead, mercury, copper and tin by the addition of a solution of hydrogen disulphide (sic; it should be dihydrogen sulphide) gas dissolved in water." are we confusing this wine test with an arsenic test by Marsh?? Peter morrell 18:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ref #9

This ref appears as 'Bradford, op cit' BUT in the html text it should say in an earlier ref: Thomas L Bradford, Life and Letters of Hahnemann, 1895...blah blah it appears in the html but is not visible in the article footnotes and I can't work out why...can anybody please correct this? thanks Peter morrell 20:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

This is where it appears: In the Spring of 1811 Hahnemann moved his family back to Leipzig with the intention of teaching his new medical... BUT the ref does not appear in the list. weird?? corrected. Peter morrell 20:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The problem was that when you re-use a ref eg <ref name=skaylarkbio/> you need the backslash each time you re-use it otherwise it isn't formatted as a separate reference. Tim Vickers (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Right, wonderful. Thanks, Tim! job done. Peter morrell 21:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Bad para

This paragraph: Hahnemann tested substances for the effect they produced on a healthy individual and tried to deduce from this the ills they would heal. From his research, he initially concluded that ingesting substances to produce noticeable changes in the organism resulted in toxic effects. He then attempted to mitigate this problem through exploring dilutions of the compounds he was testing. He claimed that these dilutions, when done according to his technique of succussion (systematic mixing through vigorous shaking) and potentization, were still effective in producing symptoms.However, these effects have never been duplicated in clinical trials,and his approach has been universally abandoned by modern medicine. is badly written, factually inaccurate and largely unsourced. I propose to try and improve it with better wording and good sources. Peter morrell 05:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Born 11 April, not 10 April

This tells us:

  • The baptismal register of Meissen contains the following record : (British Journal of Homeopathy, Vol. 13, p. 525): "Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann, born on the morning of the 11th of April, of 1755; baptized the thirteenth day of April of the same year, by M. Junghanns. Father, Christian Gottfried Hahnemann, painter. Mother, Johanna Christiana, born Spiess." The worthy pastor, M. Junghannes, was of the Lutheran faith, and the infant was baptized on the Sabbath after its birth according to those tenets. The date of Hahnemann's birth has usually been given as the 10th, and not the 11th of April. The town register gives the 11th, and at the celebration at Meissen, in 1855, of the hundredth birthday, the 11th was the day selected.

On that basis, I'm changing the date. -- JackofOz (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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