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Myron Cope Awards

I've started compiling a list of Myron Cope's awards and achievements in my Sandbox. You are welcome to help me. I nominated Myron Cope for a good article, but it probably won't be reviewed for another week or two, so I've been trying to get it into top form, and nobody else has helped me much. Thanks and Good work so far! Blackngold29 (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Eliot Spitzer

Thanks for this; either way, WP:MOS says that section headings should be in plain text. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 18:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed; that's why I left it alone...but fair is fair. I thought s/he was cleaning up the article in useful ways. Regards - Isaacsf (talk) 18:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

re chelsea

quite welcome. it's a huge time waster, and i wish wikipedia would do something substantial to tame the vandals, but until they do...Anastrophe (talk) 03:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting

It will be interesting to see your proof that Patterson is not a pale mulatto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.109.105 (talk) 10:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Senate Districts 29 and 30.

That was a great find on the year of the district renumbering for David Paterson Kudos to great sleuthing. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 03:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - it was bugging me that his district morphed in front of my eyes, which I didn't think was right.

Regards -

Isaacsf (talk) 03:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Curious if you knew that was the redistricting moment, or you eyeballed a lot of of maps. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

A little of both. The succession boxes at the bottom of the article listed his tenure in each district, apparently correctly, even while the text was being edited. It seemed highly unlikely that he moved to a new district. Knowing that NY is losing population and that it takes some amount of time after the decennial census for the state legislatures to redistrict, I guessed that was the reason and searched for proof of it. I also live in a growing state (NC) where districts changed after 2000. Isaacsf (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Hi I've had a look through the rules, procedures and guideliones and see where I went wrong. Thanks for you help!

Marcustheostrichfarmer (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Isaacsf (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon Network

Sorry, my mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.70.26.237 (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Your edits to User talk:Dmnbdfhd

Hi. Just wanted to point out that your templated warning to this user duplicated my edit above yours. While I didn't undo his edits to the N.O. article, I was talking to him about them. Do you mind undoing your edit so that he only has one message about his edit to New Orleans? Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 00:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You have a point, but I felt the edit needed to be undone. I thought I was pretty careful not to bite...would you want me to undo the change on the main page as well? Or perhaps add a clarifying statement on the talk page below my edit so the user has a better chance of understanding what went on? Isaacsf (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course the edit to New Orleans needed to be undone. You weren't bitey at all. I just don't think we should leave duplicate messages about a single issue for new editors. If you remove your message, maybe I can work with this guy to get his sources into the article. Maybe we'll never hear from him again. Thanks for your attention to this, I appreciate it. Darkspots (talk) 00:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. . Darkspots (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Geez, you beat me to my own talk page to comment :-) As you can see, I've stepped aside. Thanks for taking an interest. We certainly need all the volunteers we can find and encourage. Isaacsf (talk) 01:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Y.A.B.

hehe. thanks much for the shiny star! Happy editing! Thingg 00:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfA

Most definately! Allowed and encouraged. The only people who aren't allowed are anonymous (IP) users. xenocidic (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

My RfA question

Rephrased based on your reply. It was meant more about groups stacking the deck with editors and admins, and publicly stating such a purpose, than on CAMERA alone. DarkAudit (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

A fair clarification, to be sure. I still wonder, though, if it doesn't smack a little bit of "when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife," in that being a member of an interest group - even if it clearly has an agenda - doesn't automatically rob one of all ability to be balanced. Back to my original analogy, when a justice is appointed by a president, one presumes s/he will automatically stick to the "party line," but history has shown that not to always be the case. Anyway, I'm leaving the question alone. I said my piece; we'll see what response is generated either way. Cheers! Isaacsf (talk) 00:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Username change

I hope you're settling into your new username. You might want to tell what your previous username was somewhere on your userpage. P.S. I joined the WP:Disambiguation pages with links task force after noticing it on your userpage. Then I created a nifty usertop icon, you might be interested in using. xenocidic (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sweet - thanks. I've added it (and rollback) above. I left the previous username off (at least for now) since there's a redirect from it to here...I'm still thinking about the whole identity thing. Frank (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing, that's your prerogative. =) xenocidic (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfA

Insightful and thought-out comments like yours are most certainly always welcome... it's when editors stop questioning the reasoning of others that Misplaced Pages should start to worry. Thanks for your comment, and I hope I made a half-decent stab at replying. I wouldn't have posted on the RfA anyway, but I was following up the edits to the article in question, and discovered Thingg's RfA link on his userpage.

If you have a comment, don't be afraid to speak your mind — those who think less of you for doing so probably need to get back in touch with be bold, don't be a dick etc. Hope to see you around in the future. haz (talk) 07:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Terpterp (talk · contribs)

RE: this. No, thanks for the input; I'm new with the mop, so I like to check when I don't go by the book in obvious ways. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was actually looking at his edit when you removed it from your page. (I don't even remember why I watch your page.) While I was investigating, you blocked him, which seemed appropriate. The threat was most inappropriate. New user, immediately starting in with threatening edits...open and shut case to me.  Frank  |  talk  21:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, NOW it makes sense....

Wow, am I dense. I didn't even notice you changed your username. (I was trying to figure who the "Frank" at my RfA was.) I guess now I know. *sniff* I miss your old username already..... ;) Thingg 18:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC) ...and to answer your next question; yes, I'm kind of bored right now...

Well, I could have voted twice but that would have been really poor form...I didn't exactly announce because who cares anyway. But yes, it's me. Sorry how it worked out. I watched closely in anticipation of going through it myself some months hence. Too busy right now, not established enough here, and honestly I was shocked at the stuff I saw written opposing you. Best I can tell it's as much a headache as anything useful anyway. Check out CobaltBlueTony (who, alas, opposed your RfA). He gets nothing but grief for cleaning up around here. Threats, too.  Frank  |  talk  19:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I added some references to David Benatar

I added some references to David Benatar --Eastmain (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm on board; switched my vote.  Frank  |  talk  20:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hey, thanks! I just spent some time completely revamping the article - it was a mess, frankly. Lots of work needed to bring it up to anything resembling acceptable, and it still needs a lot of work. Unfortunately some people really seem to have no clue about what's ok and what's not - for example, those long quotes were ridiculous. Oh well - it's a start. I appreciate the barnstar - much nicer than the arguments! Cheers Tvoz |talk 04:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

see R.Bailey

See the R. Bailey talk page for reasons.

All these kids are the same. Same type of articles in one AFD is allowed. Note that Michelle Obama (wife) was included but not now.

Also note that Graz11 added an article to the AFD. You can't support that and delete the others. Actually Graz11's article was different from the others because it is a compilation. Please cooperate. Watchingobama (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Nixon's Funeral

Are you sure? I compared it with Nixon's page first, and a quick google search turns up these from cbs, the post, and the army, but none of them clarify whether Nixon's was a 'state' funeral or not. All I can read from the army one is that just because his funeral wasn't in DC doesn't mean it wasn't a state funeral.

Like you said though, point of trivia. Rich (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I know this is WP:OR, but I recall at the time there was kerfuffle about it due to him resigning. He did not lie in state and it wasn't called a state funeral, and in fact it wasn't in DC, as I recall. Also, his page here on wikipedia specifically notes that it wasn't a state funeral, but of course that is not exactly proof. I'm sure it can be sourced, though. It wasn't that long ago, and I am 99+ % sure that there is no ambiguity about it. Does that translate to <1% ambiguity? :-)  Frank  |  talk  21:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Walter Raleigh

Hi Frank,

I noticed that you re-added the Raleigh disambiguation link to the top of the Walter Raleigh article. Please see these guidelines for the reason why this hatnote is inappropriate in this case. The guidelines state:

While there is no specific prohibition against it, adding disambiguation links to a page with a name that clearly distinguishes itself from the generic term is discouraged. For example, Solaris (1972 film) is clearly about one specific movie and not about any of the many other meanings of "Solaris". It is very unlikely that someone arriving there would have been looking for any other "Solaris", so it is unnecessary to add a link pointing to the Solaris disambiguation page. However, it would be perfectly appropriate to add a link to Solaris (novel) (but not, say, Solaris (operating system)) to its "See also" section.

Another clearer example of this type of hatnote error can be found here. This is a very common error, but the rationale behind omitting these hatnotes makes sense. If we were to add these types of hatnotes, then we would have to add a link to Smith at the top of every article about someone with that surname. In the case of Walter Raleigh, no one would type "Walter Raleigh" into the search bar when searching for Raleigh, Illinois or Raleigh Bicycle Company.

I hope I have stated my case clearly. I tend to have to straighten out this particular misunderstanding fairly often. Let me know if you have any further questions.

Neelix (talk) 00:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Frank; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 22:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure!  Frank  |  talk  22:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Misunderstanding me

I think you are misunderstanding me. I think you may be afraid that I will say "I am a doctor, therefore my opinion is the final word". Nothing could be further from the truth.

It's just that there has been so much opposition to verifying credentials even if it's a less than 100% verification that I am writing from a medical office (and if not a doctor, then medically related) and that I am not a convict writing from prison or a pharmaceutical company trying to promote the company's drugs.

If the conclusion is that impersonating a doctor (while bad and not to be done) is not a Misplaced Pages offense, just say so. I can live with that but I would like to know. Doctor Wikipedian (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no opposition. It just isn't part of what Misplaced Pages does. And putting "dr" in a username does not mean a person is impersonating a medical doctor.  Frank  |  talk  22:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Get an administrator to write "impersonating a doctor is discouraged but is not punishable in Misplaced Pages. Only the quality of edits count" and I will be satisfied and begin writing articles.

An alternative is for a checkuser to say "You are a doctor or at least medically related based on what IP information suggests. Your IP is not that of a prison or drug company". Either way, I'm happy and ready to begin typing away. I didn't know it would be so difficult to get started. Doctor Wikipedian (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You can ask administrators to write that, but I doubt they will do so, for several reasons:

1. A username does not indicate impersonating a doctor (or lawyer, or whatever), any more than Dr. J or Dr. Demento are impersonating doctors.
2. Misplaced Pages does not punish anyone, for any reason. Steps are taken to protect the project from vandals, but they are not punishment.
3. An IP address can be spoofed, and you cannot ever verify who is using the IP address anyway.
4. You have been told numerous times that it is only the quality of edits that counts, and you find reason to spend your time editing talk pages instead of actually improving articles. You are highly encouraged to just jump in and get started! The only difficulty is apparently in taking the first step, which you seem very hesitant to do.  Frank  |  talk  22:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Way to go

Hey thanks, you too. Hopefully we can defend it from all those pesky vandals out there now, lol. Not that anyone out there has much to pick on Myron for. Thanks! Blackngold29 23:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. He was a one-of-a-kind. He's high on the list of people I'd like to have met. BTW, on a related Pittsburgh-one-of-a-kind note, I met Sophie Masloff once. Every bit as nice as you'd think, if you have any idea who I'm talking about :-)  Frank  |  talk  23:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know very much about her, but I did encounter her name during my re-write of PNC Park; which coincidently is also under GA review right now. She was the original person to have intrest in a replacement to Three Rivers Stadium, she even picked out the site where it ended up being built; I giver her props for having such fore-sight. Blackngold29 23:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's an article, of course, but I haven't read it. I'll tell you my take on her: took over mayoralty in a difficult time when a much-loved mayor died of an unusual disease (that coincidentally claimed PA Governor Bob Casey's life not so long after, and the life of the mayor of Erie, too). Anyway, nobody expected her to be mayor...not unlike the current mayor of Pittsburgh, eh? Still, she won re-election (as he has done, sort of) and is the reason all the blue-and-white signs in the city exist (even today, 20 years later). Classy lady.  Frank  |  talk  23:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Menorrhagia

To follow up on your AfD note: It's reasonable to redirect hypermenorrhea to menorrhagia. They are both cases of "too much" (in volume and/or length, and a distinction between total volume and length is not usually drawn, because the one can easily cause the other).

By contrast, the combination of normal volume/length with too frequent appearance (≤20 days total cycle length) is polymenorrhea. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks!

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Bexley Pizza Plus

Okay, you could not have found my article so quickly. People like you are one of the reasons I hate Misplaced Pages. You just automatically assume something, delete an article of a product that hasn't been noticed by many, and say that I'm making an article of an advertisement. Okay, let's go delete the Pizza Hut article. It tells us what products they have and the history and how they expanded. That's obviously advertising.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC) Okay, I'm sorry for being soo rude but I think you just made a mistake. I got the information from the website, that's probably why it sounds like an advertisement to you.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 15:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, but there are at least two reasons why this page does not meet criteria for inclusion in Misplaced Pages:

1. The notability of the business has not been established, or even asserted. Pizza Hut has a long history in the United States, is a large corporate entity which is notable for its design, its advertising, and its reach, and there are independent articles about it over time.
2. There are no references at all in this article. One of the key features of Misplaced Pages is that it is about verifiability, not truth.

There are many, many articles on Misplaced Pages that can use improvement, and there are many requests to create articles. Your efforts are highly encouraged and welcome, but the project does have guidelines as to what may be included, and also what Misplaced Pages is not.  Frank  |  talk  15:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Xxhopingtear'sxx Userpage

I'd appreciate if you did not touch my userpage. Also, I apologize for being such a jerk earlier ...--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I was reverting vandalism, as I'm sure you can see from this diff.  Frank  |  talk  17:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

But I was the one who typed it.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh?  Frank  |  talk  20:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe the reason Frank may have inadvertently reverted your own edit was because you use the "infobox musical artist" on your user page, therefore, at a quick glance, it looked like vandalism to a musical artists' article. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now. I did not inadvertently do it - I did it on purpose because it was vandalism, plain and simple. The edit was inappropriate.  Frank  |  talk  20:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Statustop

I tweaked it for you. Do you want it to show you online for 50 minutes after your last edit, and recently online for 2 hours after your last edit? If so, then it's correct now. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 18:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I think I had the parameters reversed. (I was actually looking for 5 minutes.)  Frank  |  talk  18:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, unfortunately I don't think the template will allow you to change the lower limit of status bot's updating window. It will show you online for at least the 15 minutes that StatusBot does (since StatusBot only updates your last edit time when you go offline). Anyways, happy editing, xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 18:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll try 15 then...thanks!  Frank  |  talk  18:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

=) xenocidic (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ha-ha-edits collection

Here's one for you: Sugarbat (talk) 21:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, like Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan... :-)  Frank  |  talk  22:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Totally. Sugarbat (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks so much for your support in myRfA, which closed successfully this morning. _{TravellingCari} 19:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Creating Images

It looks like you uploaded this image and others like it. Can you tell me how to create such images, or whom to ask to do so? I'm looking to create images that highlight more than one county. Thanks!  Frank  |  talk  03:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Try downloading the image and opening it in a text editor. It should be easy to figure out how to highlight more than one county. User:dbenbenn 03:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks!  Frank  |  talk  12:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

my RfA - Ta!

pointless deletion of a article

What makes you think that the Artcle 'Rose confectionary' needed to be deleted, there was no problem with it and the information wasnt copied from anywhere else. Falcon-eagle2008 —Preceding comment was added at 13:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

As I noted in my CSD nomination, it is a pure advertising page. Notability for the company was not asserted in the article, and attempts to independently find information about the company in reliable sources were unsuccessful. That does not mean the article cannot stay on Misplaced Pages; a nomination for deletion must be reviewed by others, and you can, of course, add content to it and discuss it on the talk page for the article if you feel the nomination is unjustified. Also, add the {{hangon}} template to the article so an administrator will know to look at the talk page before deciding what (if anything) to do.  Frank  |  talk  13:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Statustop template: alternate updating method

SoxBot V has been taken offline indefinitely, therefore {{Statustop}} now uses a semi-manual updating method taking the status from Special:Mypage/Status. You can use the Qui monobook script written by TheDJ to update this page at the click of a button.

Certain parameters are no longer used, so you may wish to check the documentation of the Statustop template to ensure you are using it properly. Please feel free to drop by my talk page with any questions or concerns or to report problems with the template. Happy editing, xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 13:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

BUT ITS TRUE... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.32.7 (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

frank, thanks for dropping by my talk page to congratulate me on the RFA. your support was much appreciated. I've left some thank spam below for you. your comments are also invited at my in-depth RFA analysis. cheers, xenocidic (talk) 23:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Standards

This user page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. It was last substantively updated 14 August 2008. If you want to revive discussion regarding the subject, you might try contacting the user in question or seeking broader input via a forum such as the village pump. It was last substantively updated 14 August 2008.

My RFA standards are still being refined, but I rarely base my support on arbitrary cut-offs like number of edits, or length of time editing. More often I will attempt to determine the clue level of a candidate. If high levels of clue are present, they will earn my support, regardless of whether or not they have 5000 non-huggle edits and 6 months of regular activity. This is based on a fairly brief review of their contributions, moreso on their answers to the questions. I have an optional question that I often pose to candidates that helps with this.

Self-noms and the acceptance line

• Neglecting to follow the bolded instruction #6 to delete the acceptance line in the self-nomination instructions will cause me to register a neutral unless a preponderance of clue has already been detected.
• I do this because it is a fairly simple and easy instruction to follow. Not following it is (in my opinion) indicative of a deeper tendency to not thoroughly read and follow instructions generally. Adminship is no big deal, but applying for adminship is. The fact that a candidate hasn't fully versed themselves in the process of RFA prior to jumping in doesn't build confidence that they will accurately follow guidelines and policies in applying administrative actions.
• An example of how this could apply to a real-world admin situation: When blocking for an inappropriate username, it is customary to uncheck the "Prevent account creation" and "Autoblock any IP addresses used" boxes. However, an admin who doesn't thoroughly follow instructions might not do this and as such Misplaced Pages could lose an otherwise constructive contributor.
• One user has mentioned that leaving this line in could be justified by ignore all rules. Quite frankly, I disagree. There is no good reason to ignore this rule, and following it is painless. Attention to detail is a quality I value in an administrator.
• As I mentioned, leaving this line in isn't always a deal breaker and if the candidate's actions indicate to me that this oversight is an anomaly, I may change to, or otherwise support. Furthermore, if they remove the line using only a herring, I will most certainly lend my support, though I may ask that they first bring me a shrubbery.

Participation

1. Thingg - nom, support (69/32/4)
2. WBOSITG 2 - support (114/10/4)
3. Zginder - neutral became moral support in the neutral column and then oppose (8/34/9)
4. Ro098 - oppose (0/3/0)
5. Jbmurray - support (161/1/2)
6. Vivio Testarossa - oppose (8/25/7)
7. Bluegoblin7 - neutral (6/13/10)
8. Guest9999 - support (48/31/4)
9. Paulyb - oppose (0/4/0)
10. Strennman - oppose (0/6/0)
11. Tyw7 - oppose (with moral support) (0/1/0)

    Tyw7 2 - oppose, switched to strong oppose (3/14/1)

12. Xenocidic - candidate (72/13/2)
13. InDeBiz1 - moral support (5/15/2)
14. Useight (RFB) - support (28/16/6)
15. Tinkleheimer - moral support (15/16/8)
16. Ironholds - oppose (12/24/10)
17. Kevin - neutral, switched to support (54/2/0)
18. Pinkville - support (54/0/1)
19. Ali'i - weak support (70/55/14)
20. Cenarium - support (42/2/2)
21. Soxred93 3 - neutral, switched to support (87/7/3)
22. Avruch - support (104/35/10)
23. Cedarvale1965-08 - oppose (0/2/0)
24. Karanacs - support (119/4/3)
25. Plyhmrp - oppose (0/4/0)
26. SarekOfVulcan - support (76/11/2)
27. Golich17 - support (19/36/11)
28. Headbomb - support (17/38/11)
29. oren0 - support (67/21/13)
30. Ryan - support (17/36/2)
31. EricV89 - support (13/43/9)
32. Frank - support (59/11/4)
33. Masterpiece2000 - neutral (10/19/3)
34. JeanLatore - neutral (0/12/1)

    JeanLatore 2 - oppose (0/6/0)

35. RyanLupin 2 - support (32/28/4)
36. Blakegripling ph - support (9/30/9)
37. Lomn - support (54/1/1)
38. Shoessss 2 - support (23/26/7)
39. Tanner-Christopher 2 - support (64/3/4)
40. the demonhog 2 - support (100/1/1)
41. TomStar 81 3 - support (80/18/2)
42. Cailil - support (66/8/5)
43. Lady Aleena 2 - neutral, switched to oppose (28/31/10)
44. Red Phoenix - support (13/7/2)
45. No longer updating, see my RFA participation report

Optional question

Thanks

Thank you for your support

I would like to thank the community for placing their trust in me during my recent request for adminship, which passed 72 13 2 . Rest assured, I have read each comment thoroughly and will be addressing the various concerns raised as I step cautiously into my new role as janitor. In particular, I would like to thank Balloonman for putting so much time into reviewing my contributions and writing such a thoughtful nomination statement after knowing me for only a brief period of time (and for convincing me that I was ready to take up the mop now, rather than go through admin coaching).

To my fellow admins - please let me know right away if I ever take any mis-steps with my new tools. Should I make a mistake, and you reverse the action, I will not consider it to be wheel-warring (but please tell me so I can understand what I did wrong).

To everyone - please feel free to slap me around a bit if I ever lose sight of the core philosophy of Misplaced Pages as I understand it - the advancement of knowledge through the processes of mutual understanding and respect. As always, feel free to drop by my talk page if I can be of any assistance. =)

Sincerely,

~xenocidic, 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Analysis of my RFA

My RfA

Hello, Frank, and thank you for your recent participation in my RfA, which was closed per WP:NOTNOW after reaching a vote tally of 5/15/2. While I am disappointed in the outcome, I understand that it - as well as the comments left by yourself and others - was in the best interests of Misplaced Pages at this time. I plan to take everything that was written to heart and improve myself here on Misplaced Pages with a goal of perhaps accepting a nomination again in the future, should someone choose to nominate me. As a way of gathering further feedback, I have created a page in my user space for other editors to leave comments about things that they might have observed during my RfA and to continue my "education process," as it may be considered. If you would like to contribute to that page, it may be found here. Again, thank you for participating and I appreciate your comments! --InDeBiz1 (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Sanders

This offers a good rationale for the move. I think it's important to note that the article was moved from Harland Sanders to Colonel Sanders without discussion. When I raised the issue over a year ago, there was one supportive comment and no objection, so I assumed the move would be uncontroversial. fishhead64 (talk) 14:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I think Colonel Sanders is the more appropriate place for the article, with a redirect from Harland. This portion of that page spells it out clearly, in my opinion. I think people are far more likely to search for "Colonel Sanders" than for "Harland Sanders", just as they would search for "Bill Clinton" rather than "William Jefferson Clinton." This is especially true now that he is dead and current pop-culture references to him are pretty much exclusively "Colonel Sanders". You've got the Colonel's Crispy Strips and Colonel's Secret Recipe on the menu, not to mention a bucketload of references to "Colonel" and zero for "Harland" in the shopping area.

Sure, having a redirect solves the problem, but I think it is more appropriate (and more consistent with overall practice on Misplaced Pages) to have the main name by which a person is known be the title of the article, and then have their other name(s) in the introduction.  Frank  |  talk  15:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Except that it's not a name, it's an honorific. Or, viewed another way, the references you cite suggest a persona or a character that Harland Sanders played rather than the man himself. By the same token, Calvert DeForest was almost universally known as Larry "Bud" Melman, but the latter redirects to the former. Whether one views it as an honorific or character name, however, the point remains that WP naming policy suggests they be avoided in favour of the individual's actual, best known name. I am certainly open to taking it back to the talk page for a discussion, if you feel strongly about it. fishhead64 (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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