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Cleaned up the Sam Sloan article

Bill:

This is AWM. I noticed that your version of the Sam Sloan page got an NPOV tag and I have done my best to help it get to be more NPOV and I removed the NPOV tag. My mentor on this, months ago, was User:Jnc. Jnc is a good guy. The basic philosophy is that just about every historical person has enemies and is notorious about something, so unless there were a lot of newpaper articles by professional reporters about being "notorious", then the label of notorious is crap and gets deleted (it is basically viewed as a soap opera and ignored by History). So does all the judgmental stuff. I do not think that I removed any fact about what Sam did that was already in the article. What you get is a compromise: neither you nor Sam might love it exactly, but you might both be able to agree on it.

From my point of view, anyone who has been to Sam's web site, or watched his videos, knows that he loves to joke in the style of Baron von Munchhausen. It does not help his credibility, but it seems to me that these days he only asks to be taken seriously about his knowlege of chess, Pakistan and politics. You and I both know that his current love life is his private matter until he makes it otherwise.

I am a non-custodial father (one daughter) and was sympathetic to Sam's label of kidnapping. I still disagree with Sam's losing custody or Shamema, but I felt a little betrayed when I finally read Judge Go's account, which was much more fair. Still, it has not turned me off to Sam, but I have started to take his stories in carefully controlled doses. You might want to try that technique also.

If you want to provide feedback, try amorrow@earthlink.net, or just use Talk:Sam Sloan. 172.196.184.32 02:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I'll make comments here. They're public, but the locale is a bit less inflammatory.

"Notorious" was not me, IIRC--I've said much worse about him :-) would be happy to cop to that. Lots of foax, incidentally, don't seem to be aware of the pejorative connotation.

I would not care whether Sloan slept w/ three different women every night; might even send him a letter of commendation. It's the obsession with minors that's problematic: Google "japanese virgins"; one of his pages s/b in the top five hits. Or check out these curious deploymentsof Pokémon, his stated interest in these pages, and (the thing that really really irks me, because I have no objection to porn in itself), the mixing of soft porn and kid-friendly links on these pages. (Since you're a father like me, you may be aware of how popular Pokémon was a few years ago....) Or consider the Burmeseprostitute of junior high school age with whom Sloan implies sexual relations (that's statutory rape in Thailand as well as here). Sloan's allies deny the charge, but Sloan is silent. There's more that I'd be prepared to go into in a courtroom that I'm not willing to discuss publicly....

Further, if one grants the logical conclusion of the above, one might reasonably ask me, "why bother?" He's relatively old, and AFAIK even the alleged relations w/ minors involved an economic transaction. This is how Sloan ignores the love life of others: in this case, members of the Board of the U.S. Chess Federation. More to say, but it's late... Billbrock 08:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Someone who wishes not to post to this board sent me this email taking issue with the above (quoting one of several points):

The Burmese thing: I agree that he had some stuff on his web site
that should not be there, but it is mostly talking about what seems
to be pretty old stuff. This whole thing of the USA treating child
prostitution as a crime against humanity is a fairly recent
development. If "sex vacations" or whatever are legal or the laws in
the other country are poorly enforced (thus no extradition
proceedings are started), it is hard to get really worked up about
it. Look at it this way: if that girl is an active prostitute, the
trick she turned for Sam did not really start her down that
pathway. It is sickening, but perhaps it is best left as a local
issue to that country.

Hmm: what then if there were other prostitutes whose first customer was Mr. Sloan? Let's not forget Daa and Lim. Billbrock 17:38, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think additional criminal charges against Sloan are appropriate; I don't think a celebration of this conduct is appropriate, either.... Billbrock 17:55, 24 August 2005 (UTC)