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Dependent territories / special territories

There's currently a discussion at template talk:East Asia over whether the official name of territory, namely special administrative region, and which sovereign State the territories listed belong to, have to be specified in the {{East Asia}} template. Please feel free to join the discussion and express your opinion. — Instantnood 11:47, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Central v. North America

An effort was made to remove countries in the central american region from the template and instead place them in a Central American Template. I have replaced them on teh basis that they are still considered part of the North American Continent despite also being labeled as existing in the central american region. I will also include both templates in the pages of the central american countries since I have seen that on the pages of other countries (middle eastern), efforts are made to include templates of all the geographical regions said countries are considered part of.

Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua are NOT part of North America. Those countries are Central America. See CAFTA, for example. Copperchair 19:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

-This is in terms of *geography*. North america is a contininent. Central america is considered a part of that continent. See Continent. If you do not belive the contries are in North America, make a case that they should be in South America. Ravedave

Wrong. America is the continent, and it is divided in North, Central and South America. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua form Central America. Trust me, I live in Costa Rica. Copperchair 07:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

From the Spanish Misplaced Pages article on Central America:

Los geógrafos no consideran América Central un continente; es por lo general considerado geográficamente parte de Norteamérica. Algunos geógrafos consideran a América Central como un istmo grande en el que a veces incluyen la parte de México al este del Istmo de Tehuantepec, a saber, los estados mexicanos del Chiapas, Tabasco, Campeche, Yucatán y Quintana Roo.

I think that in groupping nations your opinion on the matter reflects a more social and cultural point of view than that a regular English reader of Misplaced Pages would possess. As an example I point to your exclusion of Belize, which is geographically located in the Central American istmus (and would cause a reader to associate it with that region), from the Central American Template. I believe that you have neglected it because culturally and economically speaking it is (by Costa Rican standards) considered a Caribbean nation and more a part of the Caribbean than of central america. The problem is that making that sort of distinction (geographical from cultural/economic/social) is not easy, heck I know of people that consider everything south of the united states Mexico. Furthermore, here in the United Stated (not sure of other places) it is accepted that North and South America are two seperate Continents and that Central America is a region located within North America. I will therefore revert your edit to this template and and replace it in the article of the countries from which you have removed it. I think that have both the Central and North American Templates in the pages serves to make readers understand that as a whole a country like Honduras is located in North America but also more specifically in Central America. --ÅfÇ++ 21:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

All right. Copperchair 00:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

• Please note that despite pressumably being in agreement User Copperchair once again reverted pages to exclude the template, and the template itself.

North America is everything from Canada southwards up to and including Panama. All these should be on the template. Central America is a subset of North America, consisting of all North American countries south of Mexico. --Carnildo 05:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Poll

I have submitted this page to get voted on at : Misplaced Pages:Current_surveys Ravedave 18:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Vote for what templates should be applied to Central American countries. The pages that have been involved in this dispute so far are: Nicaragua Panama Honduras Guatemala El Salvador Costa Rica Belize (not all of which are included on the Central_America template)

• Apply N American and Cenral American templates to all nations listed - Just as the Middle East is a subunit of Asia and the Pacific is of Austrailia, Central America is on N America Mbisanz 00:28, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

For Both templates

• Some people belive that countries are in this area are in North America, other belive they are in Central america. If both templates are on the page shouldn't everyone be happy? Another thing to note is from continent The 7-continent model is usually taught in Western Europe, the United States and Canada, Australia, and much of Asia. The 6-continent combined-America model is taught in Japan, Iran, and Latin America. Ravedave 18:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

For Only North America

For Only Central America

• Template:Central America is short and easy to use. Someone interested in the region can easily hop to another country. The NA navigator is packed with too much and adds clutter to the page rather than being helpful. Neither would a "Countries of the World" template be helpful. -R. S. Shaw 05:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Neither

• This entire discussion is an example of why list-based navigation templates are a bad idea when the list involved is at all controversial. On the other hand, Nicaragua exists confortably in Category:Central American countries which is a subcat of Category:North American countries. Permit me to suggest either using {{otherarticles}} or one based on it which contains links to the categories and to a general article. This will provide the navigation powers of the template, without the clutter. Septentrionalis 21:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)