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• Rest In Peace Crip

Block and ban

Per this edit, I have indef blocked you for probation violation and proposed you be banned as your probation calls for in such an instance. See ANI there here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User_VintageKits_breaking_terms_of_probation.3F. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

You are joking right!?--Vintagekits (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you please explain exactly why and on what basis you have blocked me?--Vintagekits (talk) 14:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, see the ANI thread. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

From what I have read its not clear - you blocked me and are trying to drive through a ban without putting forward a balanced argument so the least you could do is explain it to me as I am pretty baffled by all this.--Vintagekits (talk) 14:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not driving through anything, I put it up to community consensus. If I were driving it through, I'd have banned you on my own. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Well you certainly seem very eager to ban my for any reason possible.--Vintagekits (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Qoute from Statement 8 of your probation terms: 8: For the three month trial, he will not make any reference or comment anywhere on Misplaced Pages (in article, talk, image or project space, edit summaries or via links off-site) concerning The Troubles. - you have violated that by mentioning the Troubles directly on Misplaced Pages on your userpage. D.M.N. (talk) 15:01, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Rlevse, can you clarify that this is the reason that you have blocked me. thank you.--Vintagekits (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Rlevse, are you going to reply to this or are you just happy to unjustly silence, block and ban me?--Vintagekits (talk) 15:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

You are also now currently the subject of discussion for a permanent ban at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Block and ban proposal. The evidence there seems fairly definite that the earlier arbitration allowed for a ban should you violate any of the terms of the arbitration. However, if you have evidence which you believe should be considered, please present it, here if nowhere else, so that it can be considered. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

• I didnt think that that comment would breach my probation - if I had I wouldnt have made it - its seems pretty sad that I have stayed away from editing Irish political articles to comply with the terms of the probation and now I am to be banned forever on a technicality - it could be argued that by the letter of the probation I breached it but it would be a stretch but it certainly isnt in the spirit of the probation.

• As soon as John raised the concern that he thought it would breach the probation I removed the comment.--Vintagekits (talk) 15:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess it is a case of frustration at being unable to actually edit the article that leads to this. I also note that all those running to block and endorse the block of VK have not edited the article (and it needed it for grammar etc), were making no effort to add him to Deaths in 2008 et al. Some people prefer drama to actual editing, it seems. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

OHHH NOOO; VK, why didn't you stick to the topic of Boxing? GoodDay (talk) 18:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

GoodDay, I didnt know that the comment I made on my userpage was allowed - honestly I didnt. When User:John asked me to remove it I did straight away - I cant believe I am going to get banned for this especially as I havent edited one political article since my return - I was well pissed off to see you endorse it as well without investigating what actually happened.--Vintagekits (talk) 18:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

HMMM, I'm not completely convinced that commenting on one's own page should be disallowed. I'll retract my endorsement; but that's as far as I can go -- PS: ya should've stuck to Boxing. GoodDay (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

But i have stuck to boxing, just today I created Barry Morrison‎. This block really isnt in the spirit of the probation at all - the probation was designed to stop me getting involved in Irish political articles - which I have done.--Vintagekits (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I've retracted my endorsement of a permanent ban. GoodDay (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers - I wish some of the other editors that endorsed the block would take the time to investigate what actually happened before they !voted - talk about a mountaim out of a molehill!--Vintagekits (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, you haven't been using any sock-puppets. That's a big plus with me. GoodDay (talk) 18:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Not one - like I said I have kept my nose clean and havent been involved in any disruption of any kind since my return, thats what so dissapointing about all this. Sheesh!--Vintagekits (talk) 18:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

VK - this is important; can you promise that this will not happen again? - Alison 19:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

It was just a slip - if I thought it was going to cause such a fuss I wouldnt have done it - but for the record, yes I promise.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that (IMO) condition #8 was vague - it didn't specifically bar VK from commenting on he's own page. GoodDay (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

So what happens when any other terrorist dies in the future? Promoting and glorifying terrorism is what got you in trouble in the first place. Astrotrain (talk) 19:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you one or two hours back from your week long block? I'll give you a C- for goading, like my Science teacher used to say "must do better".--Vintagekits (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I was blocked for upsetting Alison, not for glorifying a dead terrorist. Plus I am not goading, if you can't have a civil discussion then that is not my fault. Why don't you answer the question re: glorifying terrorists? Astrotrain (talk) 19:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Contempt for the conditions of the probation!!!!

One editor commented that I show "Contempt for the conditions of the probation" - talk about absolute bs - I havent once edited an article I shouldnt have in all the time I have been on probation and have stayed away from pages of conflict - what the frick is that showing contempt for the probation - I have taken the probation very serious, I cant believe so many have jump on the bandwagon to ban me on which is a technicality.

Crip died today so I thought I would dedicate my page to him until his funeral - I made a comment on my own userpage that some thought might breach the probation and when asked by an experience editor to remove it I did - talk about a mountain out of a mole whole.--Vintagekits (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Unblock me so that I have the right to reply

There has been so much bs written on the page about banning me - I should be unblocked to answer those claims until this is done and dusted.--Vintagekits (talk) 18:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

If we are going on technicalities

I have edited on any Irish political article but am going to be banned on a technicality - which is fucking bs way to treat me after i have stayed away from those article and stuck to sport.

SO as we are going on technicalities I would like to point out that Point 8 of the probation doesnt say I cant mention "the Troubles" on my userpage. It expressly I cant discuss it in article, talk, image or project space, edit summaries or via links off-site - it does not say anything about a userpage.--Vintagekits (talk) 18:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't you stick to the topic of Boxing? This is so frustrating, to have happened. GoodDay (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Name an article that I have edited that I shouldnt have!!--Vintagekits (talk) 18:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I've retracted my endorsement of a ban. GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)