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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by HappyCamper (talk | contribs) at 01:12, 14 September 2005 (making my archive 2 page!). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Welcome to my second archive! The talk posts have been rearranged so that related topics are together. This archive page has been formatted in this manner to aid my memory of my activities on Misplaced Pages. The layout of the talk page before rearrangement is of course still retrievable in the page history. So, a warm welcome to this archive page - I hope you enjoy browsing through it! --HappyCamper 01:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

WikiHelp, WikiThanks, and WikiKindness

LithoLink

Well done. The author is rather confused, methinks. JFW | T@lk 06:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

RE: Graphs of edits, data and such

Possible? Maybe. I've seen the size of the files, but not the contents. Those are truly big files. 22gb for old data? Wow! I don't have the room on this system to process that. I think I'll have to say no, I can't do it at this time. What's your goal? Maybe there's another way to achieve it. --Durin 19:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

• I looked up "stochastic signal processing" to get more information on just what that is before proceeding further. It's been a while since I could interpret such math :) So, you've effectively lost me unless I did some digging. I think your hurdle is with data, not how it's extrapolated. I suspect you can do the extrapolations. The original reference desk notations pointed you to places you could get the data. Such sources are admittedly large though. Another possibility is to do manual extractions of small sets of data. For example, Special:Recentchanges&limit=500. If you did 10 pages of that, it'd give you a 5000 element data set, though of course it would not tell you anything about the bytes of additional contributions per edit. I used the same method to generate the graphs you originally saw from me. I'm not sure this helps, but I hope it does. --Durin 22:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Func's RfA :)

HappyCamper, you helped to make me a happy camper! Thank you for supporting my adminship...and if the quality of my edit summaries ever falls below acceptable levels, please let me know! :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e,  ) 19:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Do you know what this is for?

While I was adding the Category:Organic polymers to Polyvinyl alcohol, I was using Polyvinyl acetate as a model. It had this following the categories section: ] (Sorry I don't know how to show that so it appears the way it does while editing. It is the part between nowiki and /nowiki in the edit of this item.) Do you know what it is for? I copied it to Polyvinyl alcohol as well; but, am not sure if I should have. I added it because my previews would not show the category tags and I thought it might help - it didn't.

Thank you. ChemGardener 14:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I like your Userpage. It convinced me getting one would be useful. I've copied some of the links from yours. Hope that isn't considered bad form.

Thank you for the quick response. After understanding what it was, I could see on the left side where it showed up. By following it on a round-trip from English to Japanese and back to English, I saw it ended up in the English Polyvinyl acetate, so I removed it from Polyvinyl alcohol.

Is there a list somewhere of what does not show up when you do show preview? Things like the Categories and Foreign Language links.

Yes, I had put a link to remind me where I found your references. I figured that would also be good for seeing if there were more to add later.

As an organic chemist, I've worked more with the chemistry of polymers than their properties. That's the part of the Polymers Project I may be able to contribute to. ChemGardener 15:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the user page protection

You reverted before I noticed what had happened. I apprecaite it. Sirmob 05:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks!

Thanks for the thanks! Could you possibly takre a gander at my RFA if you get the time? --Celestianpower 16:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Interwikilinks

Hi HappyCamper! As with all articles, interwiki-links appear in the bar on the left side, under 'in other languages'. I remember I was lost too when I added them first to my page. As an aside, I very much like your work over at the Reference Desk (which is why I checked out your userpage). Kind regards, — mark ✎ 07:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sandbox/Word Association

Hey HappyCamper, I'm doing just fine. I looked at the VfD, and it appears to me that it was a bad faith nomination suitable for speedy keep, so I have closed the discussion and removed the tag. If the IP causes any more trouble, let me know and I will block it. (It is unlikely that it will commit similar vandalism, as it is a dynamic AOL IP.) -- Essjay · Talk 01:49, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the coffee; I thought I'd drop off a pastry for you to go with the coffee. -- Essjay · Talk 02:07, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

meetup

Heh, no I wasn't aware of that! Thanks for thinking of me. Unfortunately, as it's tomorrow I'm not going to be able to make it. Typical! I'll add that page to my watchlist I think.

I was wooooondering if I could ask you a teensy little admin favour? I'd do this myself only we're not supposed to play around with the histories of our own talk pages etc. For some reason that I can't fathom, I have created both my existing archives as copy-paste moves, so their histories are b0rked. I was wondering if you might fix them for me? It will be a lot of tedious clicking in tick boxes, so if you don't want to do it or don't have time, that's fine. If you do do it, might be worth writing that I asked you to in the delete/move summaries! Like I said, I'd do it myself, only we're not supposed to. I think you'd have to:

1. Delete User talk:Splash, User talk:Splash/Archive1 and User talk:Splash/Archive2.
2. Restore User talk:Splash from the first edit up to and including: 13:07, 1 August 2005 Longhair (Thanks for your support).
3. Move the result to User talk:Splash/Archive1.
4. Delete User talk:Splash again.
5. Restore from 19:34, 2 August 2005 Splash (archived) up to and including: 01:32, 19 August 2005 Splash m (?London, Ontario - fmt my reply)
6. Move the result to User talk:Splash/Archive2.
7. Delete User talk:Splash again.
8. Restore from: 01:37, 19 August 2005 Splash m (move material to end 17th Aug 2005 to archive2) up to now, and don't move it.

-Splash 16:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow! That's quite a bit of work! Thanks for responding so quickly, and I'm sorry if I've messed anything up. Shall I repost the comment some other time? Or is it possible to salvage it? Thanks, ] _{16:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)}

It looks like you've finished doing my grunt work for me. Thank you very much: it must have been very tedious. Perhaps you could just drop me a note to confirm that/when you're done, in case there's something I'm missing? Evidently, you don't get an orange box when your talk page is deleted, restored or moved! -Splash 17:36, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, HC, you're a star! -Splash 18:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

A thanks for the support on my admin nomination. CG 21:09, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Urgh!

What did I just do? I saw the Misplaced Pages:BJAODN thing, and got very confused and by the time I had begun to fathom the problem you had already fixed it. Thank you. -Splash 03:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

re: welcoming

No problem ;-) --TimPope 11:50, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the Barnstar. CG 10:27, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your message...

...it was comforting. Sorry, I might have been in the same borderline too... Yet, still two minor things:

• Is it at least possible to check whether the one is not sockpuppeteering for the other? I don't have to know the result.
• Could you please remove that single paragraph with my IP from that page? The paragraph where I say my IP is different from that of 217.140.193.13. I already removed that paragraph twice today, so removing it a third time would "tecnically" fall under 3RR. I tried to explain to Arrigo on his talk page why it was important it should be removed from wikipedia, and why it even no longer has sense to stay on that page, see: User_talk:Arrigo#Thanks_for_cooperation. Nonetheless Arrigo put it back a second time...

Thanks again! --Francis Schonken 14:08, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

More thank you-s

I, also, thank you for the barnstar. Cheers, --R.Koot 19:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Barnstars

I'd like to sincerely thank you for both of the barnstars you gave me. I hope you won't be offended that I'm only accepting one. I would feel odd having both, when they are so closely related. Thanks again for both. Superm401 | Talk 03:59, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, I gave you two because I have been giving a the bigger one away to those I thought who really helped out on the RD lately. I thought it would be apt to acknowledge you in the same way. As for the minor barnstar, well, that edit speaks for itself :-) Sure, please feel free to do whatever you like with them. I'll see you around the Wiki! --HappyCamper 04:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

A new barnstar

Comments at the good old Misplaced Pages talk:Reference desk

<stuff and such>

Oh yes. That too. Primarily that I think. --HappyCamper 22:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

HC, are you trying to sound like Bilbo Baggins? ;-) hydnjo talk 02:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Dear Diary - Here's what I learned today: you know you've got a pretty trustworthy set of WikiFriends when they start referring to you with initials and joke about Bilbo Baggins! :-) It warms up everything around here, sort of like a nice cup of tea...diary entry continues and ends a bit later...

Now what in the world is HC talking about?? My friends, stay tuned, stay tuned... --HappyCamper 01:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

When I read that at the office today, it made me laugh so hard! I'm so thankful that we have Wikipedians like hydnjo around here! --HappyCamper 01:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

It's time to go home now and I've got an aching head,

So I give her the car keys and she helps me to bed.

By Eric Clapton

G'night guys - see you tomorrow hydnjo talk 03:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Administrative stuff

Adminship?

In seeing your edits, I think you would make a great admin. I will nominate you unless you don't want to, so let me know either way. Of course check out the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' reading list and answer the standard questions once I create the nomination. Thanks - Taxman 02:38, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, its set up at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/HappyCamper, so go there, accept, and answer the questions when you get a chance. - Taxman 01:32, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations and thanks

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 13:35, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Ahh yes, let me pile on that of course! :) - Taxman 23:06, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Congrats, good work, get busy! Oh, and I'm sure we'll run into each other soon; if you ever want to do a theology collaboration, you know where to find me! -- Essjay · Talk 06:41, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA

Congratulations! The pleasure was mine to support you for adminship. Thanks for the wonderful comments, hopefully we can keep in touch.

Also, I hereby give you this Working Man's Barnstar for diligent efforts and contributions to Misplaced Pages. D. J. Bracey (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Take care, D. J. Bracey (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 23:43, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too!

Your idea for History of harmony is a good one; we really don't have an article about the historical development of harmony (and tonality--on first blush I think they should be together as one article). It's a huge topic, and rather terrifying, but if approached in small bits it would be doable. (I've almost avoided writing about things right in the center of my main doctoral area--it's just so hard to do them justice!) But it is a topic that needs to happen. Hey, enjoy the adminship; it's useful to have the extra tools, and easier to stay out of controversy than you might think. Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Congrats again. No thanks needed -- I stumbled across that and thought it worth adding my vote to. The horses are by Eadweard Muybridge, an early pioneer (19th century) of the history of photography; the first fellow who had the bright idea that you could take a lot of very quick photographs to see how things worked in slow motion, and later developed some early tools in animation. His photographs are talked about a lot in the critical theory of representation for creating a technology which radically changed the way in which we view the processes of the world (our eyes become inadequate instruments, unable to perceive things as they really are, even when they are right in front of our faces). Anyway, I've always thought his work was beautiful, and I find 19th century photography often seems to have a lot more depth and character to it than more advanced methods. There's a raw quality to it which I appreciate -- the individual photographer, the limitations of the medium, the inexactitude of reproduction of image; they are all written all over it. --Fastfission 00:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

No problem, you deserve it. I hope to see you around more often now. Congratulations. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 02:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Being relatively new, I don't recognise that many names, so I only vote when I've seen that person 'in action'. You didn't seem like a dork (which is my sole criteria :) ), so deserved admin status. Congrats! Proto t c 08:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I support the statements that every editor has made in this section. Good luck, I know you'll work hard and do the community a great service. See you 'round the wiki! Hamster Sandwich 16:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congrats on your recent RfA. I'm glad to see you doing some admin things now and that you've really helped out here. I really hope things will go well for you. Good luck being a Misplaced Pages admin! — Stevey7788 (talk) 01:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

You're welcome! Congratulations! Acetic Acid 08:29, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Congrats! No, I've never played that; I'm working on Lalo right now. Maybe next piece. Are you a cellist? Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

The mysterious "fellow admin not-logged-in"

"deleted "Site formation processes": content was: '{{db|test}}JKJKJNJML,NNNK' - checked page history, also entirely void of content. Reads like a "test" message, so speedy"

I see, you're new at this. You don't need to add all that justification for patent nonsense, but it's good to see you're thorough. :-) 131.155.69.249 13:21, 24 August 2005 (UTC), a fellow admin not-logged-in

Ah yes - thanks for the tip! I guess my commenting is almost habitual on Misplaced Pages :-)

Hmm...I wonder who this mystery Wikipedian is? Anyway, I hope to see you around the Wiki! --HappyCamper 13:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure we will. I didn't see your RFA, but that doesn't say anything. :-) Oh, while you're busy flexing your new admin muscles, here's a fun exercise: I want JADE (programming language) moved to JADE programming language, but non-admins can't do it, because the latter already exists (but has no content to speak of). You could delete the target and perform the move. (See WP:RM.) 131.155.69.249 14:02, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure if there's that much prowess associated with admin functions! :-) Anyway, I think I can help out here. I just moved the page and left copious amounts of comments to explain the rationale behind the simple procedure. Hope that helps! --HappyCamper 14:42, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

No prowess, no, but just the ability to do simple but necessary stuff like that makes it worthwhile. Thanks for taking requests, and happy editing! 131.155.69.249 14:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks for doing that, the JADE programming language was my first article and I was glad that someone was there to look over everything and make sure I had done things right. --BSTRhino 11:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Popups tool

Congratulations on being made an admin! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at Misplaced Pages:Tools#Navigation_popups. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is paste the following into User:HappyCamper/monobook.js:

// ] - please include this line 
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
             + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Lupin/popups.js' 
             + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
popupAdminLinks=true;

Give it a try and let me know if you find any glitches or have suggestions for improvements! Lupin 01:56, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Reference desk

Miscellaneous questions

A Question

I responded to your question at WP:RD#List of most frequently misspelled words about common misspellings but I don't know what ESL student means. hydnjo talk 00:39, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ahh, now I understand the root of your question much better. Thank you, hydnjo talk 01:06, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Bales of hay

I know it's been a few days since you posted the question about the bales of hay so I just wanted to make sure that you saw my response. I didn't know if you were still checking it or not for new replies. Any more questions about hay and cows and I'll be happy to ask my g/f for ya. Dismas 03:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Reference desk

Great work!

• And on a similar note, thanks for drawing my attention to (and creating?) the view all facility. That's just the ticket. Thank you. --bodnotbod 17:58, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, too. ¦ Reisio 20:44, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

Your Question

Sorry I missed your question, I was watching TV. I would probably say "Vad heter XYZ på svenska?", which is literally "What is XYX called in Swedish?". Rje 00:39, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Reference Desk (archival)

I really appreciate that you archive the reference desk, but the last time was somewhat disruptive with the large number of edits, which really clogs up the history page and makes it difficult to use the compare versions feature. May I suggest that instead you create a working copy of the page and move questions to the archive page from there? Then you can replace the page in its entirety with the version you finished with, leaving on new questions, of course, all with one edit. James 03:03, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Reference desk splitting

Reference desk/all protection

I understand that the format of the page doesn't need to be messed with, but I'd love for this page to be unprotected, so people can quickly scan the questions in all categories and click the section edit links to answer them. This would take them directly to the correct section. - Mgm| 20:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Ref desk

Hi there Happy! Thanks for the message and the feedback, I love the reference desk. Yes, I saw that you can see all, but it's hard to see all the most recent, to check for new questions, you have to check in five places now, which makes me less likely to do it. I don't mean to complain, because the new layout looks cool, and I know a lot of work went into it, I just don't find it as easy to use. I'll try to persevere, thanks again, Trollderella 23:24, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for the notice and yes I was aware of RD/All (I even tried to help with the TOC problem). I had been a little frustrated with RD for all the same reasons. Long load times, too many questions to scroll through before getting to the active/new stuff and way too many edit conflicts so I was enthused to see a new approach being tried. My mind is having some difficulty with the new format in that I'm very used to mapping the RD in series, relating one question to another by its serial positioning regardless of category. The new format requires that I map four categories in parallel with each other and then mapping the serial position within each. It's as though I'm having conversations with four users on their respective talk pages instead of four topics all running together with one user. Although it has only been one day, I'm finding myself less enthused about RD patrol than I was before the change. It's just more difficult unless you're a "one category guy" which I think neither one of us are. I know a lot of hard work went into the new fomat but it's difficult to make a call until it's actually in everyday use. As of right now I'm feeling a little negative and thinking that we made the solution too complex. Perhaps the energy should have been directed towards making the old format more manageable. Please feel free to comment to me about your own feelings after using the new format for a while. Regards, hydnjo talk 00:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. Let's of course give this some time to settle down and I wasn't in any way meaning to suggest otherwise. I was just giving you my first day's impression/thoughts. ;-) hydnjo talk 02:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. We are all resistant to change to some extent even if it's for our own good. I only thought we would all benefit by sharing our first real life impressions. Even though I was enthusiastically helping with implementation I wasn't actually experiencing using the product until today. Cheer up, we will in the end have a better RD one way or another. ;-) hydnjo talk 03:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

• A Barnstar - OMG - Wait 'till Heidi sees this! She sometimes calls herself a WP widow. I had told her about barnstars which resulted in a physical iron one being mounted on our front door. I always assumed that it would be the only one I would ever have. We are truly overwhelmed. Thank you and warmest regards from Heidi and Joe. :-) hydnjo talk 03:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

All page TOC

You may be interested to look at how the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/all page TOC looks now. Please also see Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Misplaced Pages:Reference_desk.2Fall for how the discussion over how this worked out. Superm401 | Talk 02:23, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Cumulative graph

Hey, the cumulative graph that you got together at the RD/S desk should also be at the RD/Talk page right under the dist graph (I think). hydnjo talk 23:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Miscellaneous icon

Somebodys got to do something about Image:P medicine.png. Even something like Image:Question mark.png if formatted correctly. I dunno, maybe don't worry 'bout it. ;-) hydnjo talk 23:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Whoa! Did you make that big ? at the reference desk ? How did you do that? hydnjo talk 03:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I did check it out. That's why I brought it up. It seems a bit BOLD. But better than I've been able to do so congrats you you you.  ;-) hydnjo talk 03:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

Agricu.......ture

Hi Happy. This isn't a great time for me - I was just checking on a couple of things before bed. I haven't reviewed the case yet but I would think you could easily justify a 24h block as "apparent impersonation of User:Agriculture. In fact I think that might justify an indef block according to the user name policy but I'm not 100% certain. More than 15 min is totally doable. Keep in mind that if you try to impose a longer block while the short one is still active, the short one overrides. Either wait for the short one to end or go to Special:Ipblocklist and manually unblock it before imposing the longer block. Good luck! FreplySpang (talk) 03:34, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I reviewed a tiny bit of the case. I believe you are justified to block indefinitely as an account created solely for vandalism. Thanks for taking care of this. FreplySpang (talk) 03:46, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! You didn't hold me up, either. I'm terrible at saying "I'll just look at one or two things" and then getting sucked in by the WikiDrama. :-) FreplySpang (talk) 03:50, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Modulation

Re , you should have wikilinked modulation just in case they're an elec engineer or something! I think they had actually calmed down pretty much, but they had hit the page soooo many times before they did so! -Splash 03:29, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, cool. If it helps, Haykin has almost identical diags for the reciever in the new and older editions. He just adds an arrow saying "Threshold=0" pointing into the top/bottom of the decision device, which is his reverse of his NRZ block. We're just about done with the peer-review comments. Apart from the refactoring.... -Splash 00:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Blocks

Blocking

After looking at that account you blocked, I think you're totally justified. Anyone whose user name is an obvious rip-off of another's is a perma-block candidate. Good call. - Lucky 6.9 06:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Tiny block

Thanks for taking action so promptly. Demiurge 18:23, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

AOL IP address

Oops, didn't notice it was AOL IP. (slaps hand in face) I'm going to unblock right now; if he continues, then we can block for another 15 minutes. Sound good? Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 19:01, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Template

Try Template:Impostor. Also, if it's Willy on Wheels or a MilkMan account, we have a special template for him: Template:WoW. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 13:48, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

User log

Yes, it's extremely useful to have and see! Some of our vandals seem to have a high enough level of vanity (like Willy) that they only use recognizable user names. Regarding multiple blocks, I don't think it matters if more than one admin blocks someone indefinitely; in the case of more than one block of differing lengths, I think the longer has precedence (but I'm not sure). The user is blocked in any case though. Happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 15:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

AfDs and speedies

Liz Shaw

Heading out

I'm about to head out for the evening myself, but I'll watchlist that article and the deletion listing to keep an eye on it. Have you posted to WP:AN or WP:VIP yet and asked for some eyes? Other that keeping a watch on it and protecting it if the vandalism gets out of hand there's not much else one can do; just another of those articles about notorious internet personalities that get a flood of outside attention... if it gets consensus to delete it will be easy: just blank and protect until they lose interest. :-) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 23:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

AFD-Liz Shaw

Greetings! Just regarding aforementioned AFD, on re-reading the page, I noticed that Nandesuka voted Keep, but had that vote tallied as Delete. Instead of a 6-2 vote in favour of deletion (75%), that makes it 5-3 (62.5%). I don't know how common disregarding votes from 'new' users in AFD is, although (at this stage) I don't think I like the idea, esp. when they give argument instead of testimony. I am suitably impressed though, that you went and checked all their edit counts :) Regards.--inks 00:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Mario: Pimpin' Time

Article was recreated. Added Speedy delete tag. Psy guy 19:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Mario strikes again! Psy guy 22:51, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletions

Hi, why did you delete Graham Kavanagh and Lee McCulloch? Also Hurricane relief in Florida? Kappa 21:35, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm glad someone is looking over my speedy deletes. I just restored all the pages so you can take a look:

1. Graham Kavanagh
2. Lee McCulloch
3. Hurricane relief in Florida

Please let me know your thoughts on them? Thanks! --HappyCamper 21:40, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

• Well I think you could have just wikified the first two, or tagged them for someone else to do it. Hurricane relief in Florida is interesting, there's a lot more where that came from Kappa 21:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Alright, we'll keep those then, and hopefully see them grow into better articles! --HappyCamper 21:54, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

JJB Stadium

Hi. I am just letting you know that I reverted the revert you recently made on this article. The edit made by the anonymous user was correct. Rje 23:31, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

The usual figure that is quoted is 25000, but the offical record attendance is 25004 (which is mentioned in the article). It seems the guy was just being picky. Although I would have thought most stadia have strange numbers of seats (it makes more commercial sense to cram as many seats in as you can than to just settle for a nice round number). Rje 23:45, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Gone without a trace...

Whoa! I thought I was being serious. Perhaps I should consider myself fortunate that it wasn't Speedy! I can hardly wait for the WP:RfD comments in opposition. ;-) hydnjo talk 02:56, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

After further reflection and under more sober circumstances I have tagged this article for speedy deletion as I believe it meets the criterion of General article 7 (1.2.7) at WP:CSD. hydnjo talk 19:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

As its author I take no position as to memorializing my rant. I feel awkward that it has taken the notice that it has taken already. Scrap it if you want, I can always recreate it later if it seems relevant. Thanks for asking, hydnjo talk 23:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I have no clue as to why some Admin was insisting on WP:AfD instead of speedy. Anyway, thanks for your mercy. Some things that seem perfectly rational late at night make my face turn red the next morning and I can't imagine that an admin was saying No to my speedy request. I'm in your debt. I read the article to Heidi this morning and although she saw some merit and some insights she agreed that it wasn't suitable for an encyclopedia article. "Geesh, is that all you do all night?" or something. ;-) hydnjo talk 00:22, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

And, if someone else had edited it I would have gladly given up ownership. That's the part I didn't understand. Perhaps the Admin thought that the article had some merit! Oh well, hydnjo talk 00:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Software engineering methodology

Why did you delete this page? It was a perfectly valid redirect that was very much incorectly tagged as a speedy. - SimonP 00:29, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

On SimonP's page: Redirect delete: Hey there! I deleted it because in some academic contexts there is a difference between software "engineering methodology" and "software" engineering methodology. One emphasizes the methodology as a subdiscipline of engineering, whereas the other focuses on the software part. In retrospect, this difference is probably too subtle to warrant the redirect being a misleading one. Guess that was a bad call on my part. Thanks for keeping track of my deletion activities. --HappyCamper 00:37, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm...

Why'd you delete my page? It's my Homework.

That was my homework you just deleted, the "puncerbutt" entry. Not to mention, what's wrong with what I did? I made up a word, a concept. Shakespeare invented over 17,000 words in his time. Like "about" and "advertise". No one understood it at first, but he invented words to make certain ideas communicable. Thanks a lot. That was my first wiki. Makes me not want to do it again.

- Vanessa Ruiz 09/06/2005

Response

Hi there! Thanks for leaving a message on my talk page. Here's what you wrote:

That was my homework you just deleted, the "puncerbutt" entry. Not to mention, what's wrong with what I did? I made up a word, a concept. Shakespeare invented over 17,000 words in his time. Like "about" and "advertise". No one understood it at first, but he invented words to make certain ideas communicable. Thanks a lot. That was my first wiki. Makes me not want to do it again.

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, and respectfully, it is not intended to be an online resource to store one's homework in progress. We have some guidelines regarding what is considered encyclopedic and suitable for Misplaced Pages, and it happened that the contribution you made to Puncerbutt did not fit this criteria. For this reason, the article you created was deleted.

If you would like me to restore the content of that page, I would be happy to do this, provided that you create an account to edit on Misplaced Pages. This way, I can move the content of that page to your user page, and you can edit it as you wish. However, keep in mind that Misplaced Pages is not intended to be used in this manner, and you risk being blocked from editing Misplaced Pages on the basis that your usage of Misplaced Pages's resources is not for the purposes of contributing to the encyclopedia.

Let me know what you'd like to do, and I'll help you out. If you create an account, leave me a message on my talk page, just like what you did before. Thanks for your understanding! :) --HappyCamper 03:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina (lists)

Your speedy delete of the article was improper. Expect an administrator review shortly. -St|eve 22:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Response

Steve,

Yes, I vaguely remember seeing Hurricane Katrina (lists) up for speedy deletion a few days ago. That was one of the more difficult pages for me to process because it had such a long edit history. Before deleting, I checked every single edit history for that page, as well as the pages that linked to it. I also checked the edit history of User talk:24.165.233.150 to make sure that the re-merging was taking place. After taking a look at some pages that this user edited, I was satisfied that this was being done. Granted, the editing was bold, but based on the editing behaviour of the anonymous user, I felt at the time that the user was making a reasoned decision to merge the content with the existing articles. From my perspective, there was no reason for me to doubt his or her actions, and I felt it was not necessary to keep the resulting blank page due to the merging.

Furthermore, on Template talk:Katrina, I saw this written there:

== remove "lists" ==

Hurricane Katrina (lists) should be removed, as it's now listed as a CSD. ~~ N (t/c) 18:40, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Done. Gmaxwell 19:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Although I have not interacted too much with these users, I have seen them around Misplaced Pages and I had no reason to believe that the decision to CSD by the anonymous user should have been reversed based on these comments. I felt that it was a reasonable assumption to make that these were regular contributors to the template, and that their lack of opposition to the CSD was indicative that it was alright to delete it. I did consider the possibility of reverting the changes and perhaps place the list on AfD due to the existence of the speedy tag, but felt it was unnecessary because I had no reason to think that the merging edits were being made maliciously.

I think what I have written here expresses reasonably clearly the context and rationale behind my decision to delete that list. Your are most welcome to review my records if you find that this is an inadequate for your needs, and should you feel the need to, you are also welcome to monitor all my actions on Misplaced Pages in the future at any time.

From my perspective, I have wanted to have an experienced administrator audit my contributions on Misplaced Pages, particularly those related to deletion and blocking. After all, I have not been an administrator for a long time, and I thought it would be a reasonable request to get some feedback. Coincidentally, I was thinking of asking someone to help me out in this respect today, and certainly I was surprised when my sentiment was preempted with your message on my talk page:

Your speedy delete of the article was improper. Expect an administrator review shortly. -St|eve 22:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I would not be surprised if you found things in my contribution history that might seem questionable to you. I am only a Wikipedian - a human for that matter, and it happens that I might not do everything to everybody's satisfaction. If you insist on finding disapproving behaviour, I am confident you will find it.

At minimum, I would have expected a fellow contributor to extend the courtesy and respect to let me know who would be performing such an “administrator review”. In addition, I would have thought that your conclusion that my deletion was improper would have been accompanied with an explanation in your message to me.

I was thoroughly disappointed to read your message. Not because I am being scrutinized, but because of the inherent meanness which was conveyed by your statements. The two short sentences you wrote came across as terse and sharp. I felt very bitten. I know in the history of that page you were a significant editor to it, and I know you put a lot of effort into making that page. Would it not have been suffice to say something along the lines of:

HappyCamper, I've restored Hurricane Katrina (lists) which you deleted earlier this week. I felt that the merging was not done properly, and would like to keep the page for a bit longer so I can make sure the content is preserved the way I think it should be. Next time when you delete a page with a long history, could you please notify the major contributors to it if there were any? I spent a lot of time and effort on that page, and I would have really liked to make sure that the content is preserved somewhere on Misplaced Pages. I noticed that you're a relatively new administrator here, and was wondering if you'd like someone with more experience to audit your deletions and blocks. Would it be okay if I took a look at them? Let me know what you think, and thanks for your understanding!

Wouldn't this have been a more effective, constructive, and positive approach? I am very fortunate that as an editor I occasionally have good natured Wikipedians tell me I've made mistakes somewhere, whether it be about deletions, or miscounting of AfD votes. On my talk page are a few examples of this. I think these examples are exemplary, of the kind of communication that should take place when there are doubts about one's actions.

I took the time to write this, because I want you to be aware that nobody on Misplaced Pages, or for that matter nobody anywhere, should have to put up with statements like this:

Your speedy delete of the article was improper. Expect an administrator review shortly. -St|eve 22:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I, for one, will not put up with it. There are much better alternatives to this, and it is thoroughly unnecessary to convey such a deep sense of insensitivity. Am I less deserving of other contributors for reasonable explanations on Misplaced Pages? I would think not. I would also be inclined to believe that if you received such a message, you would reasonably expect a certain level of decency and tact. Even something like the following would have been effective and served its purpose:

I think your speedy delete was improper, so I've recovered it. I think you might be deleting articles a bit too quickly. Would it be okay if I took a look at your deletion log?

Any well-meaning administrator would not have refused such a request, and in fact, would have gladly accepted it. The Wiki is open, and I am no exception to its mechanism of accountability. Was it too much of a burden to even express who might be looking at my contributions? Or whether you wanted to present this case in an RfC? Or even an arbitration? Was it too difficult to express why the deletion was improper? That perhaps I might be misusing the administrative functions? Or perhaps I should be “de-admined”? I have taken the time to explain myself here. Wouldn't it have been reasonable to do that initially? I assume you expected a response from me in some form, and I think I have reasonably delivered as best I can.

I've spent the time to review your allegations, explained my actions, and invested in some effort and energy to explain how I think this could have been handled better. I've extended a generous courtesy to you, and I sincerely hope you read all of this and take my feedback into account in your future endeavours on Misplaced Pages. I have no interest in creating a negative atmosphere between us, or for that matter, any other contributor here. This is another reason why I have taken the extra step of being elaborate with my explanations. I reiterate that you are always welcome to review my contributions at any time. I will also contact a number of Wikipedians who I hope will have the time to look at my contributions. I admit, as this is the first time I have received a message on Misplaced Pages which conveys such thorough lack of confidence in my abilities, I am unsure of what to do next. Perhaps you can advise what I should do? I am not sure what you would like to obtain from your message on my talk page, so please let me know your thoughts on this matter. In the meantime, I will refrain from editing the Misplaced Pages in the interests that my contributions remain transparent should the auditing begin. If you would like to conduct this audit, please let me know when you are finished so I can resume my regular activites on Misplaced Pages, whether as just a regular contributor, or as a contributor with administrative capabilities.

Sincerely yours, HappyCamper 03:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks for the long reply. Terse language = "felt bitten." I apologise if I made you feel that way. Otherwise —if you share my view that one should not take things so personally— an apology is not necessary. Certainly the action you took to deleting the page could be characterized as "terse," and perhaps I felt a bit "bitten" by that as well. I like to reserve my long and rambling messages for issues debate, not process debate, but I understand it if you feel personally attacked. There's no reason you should, and there is no reason to feel like youre doing anything improper if you are not. A suggestion would be that next time, 1) please be more explicit in your comments - cite others who make comments referencing things like CSD, etc. 2) dont take the opinion of two admins as gospel - two does not make consensus - ask and debate - dont act without participation in discussion, unless a consensus is clear 3) dont regard long, detailed articles as speedy delete candidates -- ever. SD is reserved for vandalism of whatever kind, and the page in question obviously did not qualify. Sinreg, -St|eve 17:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Legend of Hyrule

Hi there! I think it is best to send it to AfD rather than a speedy. The points that you mentioned on the talk page of Legend of Hyrule are themselves worthy of explanation and probably good to merge with another article, so for these reasons I've removed the speedy tag. If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know. Thanks! --HappyCamper 20:50, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean about my points being good to merge? The articles it could be merged into already contain the relevant information from the article in question, in that sense, I don't think there's anything to merge. Nonetheless, I plan on doing a sweep of merging and AfDing bad, unimprovable articles I've noticed. Should be sometime soon, and I'll include that one.

Other things:

I'm sure it's meant in good humor, but saying you're "just another Wikipedian" on your user page is a bit confusing. Congrats on the adminship, btw.

Raccoons can be dangerous. You should really call Animal Control or the local equivalent if they won't leave. -- WikidSmaht 03:49, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! I assume you saw my post on the reference desk about the happy campers (aka "racoons") hanging outside my house? Well, I did some thorough garbage cleanup, and it seems to have solved the problem. I'll take your advice if they decide to come back - they are such a hassle to deal with!

Well, to be honest, I'm not so familiar with the topic you are currently editing, but from your comments, it seemed as if it might have been worthwhile to mention them in the article itself. Specifically, the reasoning you provided - it was very well thought out, and thorough. I'd still suggest an AfD for the cleanup though, just as you are now suggesting. Glad someone is trying to make those articles better! Although I trusted your judgement about the speedy, I think the community in general is reluctant to delete pages which might appear to carry any useful content.

If you are interested, I recently happened to have deleted a page sort of like that (you are welcome to read my comments on my talk page), and another administrator found it very disapproving that I did so. I'm sure this particular user was well meaning, but sometimes Wikipedians might overreact a bit and feel attacked or bitten. I guess nobody is completely immune to this (including myself) but you can see from my talk page that the ramifications might be, well, not quite so fun.

I'm really happy you wrote me something on my talk page, as I was curious whether that page would have been neglected or not after I removed the speedy tag. Honestly, I didn't expect a response from you since it seemed like you were a relatively new contributor to Misplaced Pages according to your edit history. So, getting a message from you was sort of a pleasant surprise. :-)

A nice tip for you in return: If you plan to be a long term contributor, learn how to deal with criticism gracefully. Do this well so you can brace yourself against any "WikiStress". Try not to take things too personally, and make it a habit to assume good faith! This will help you tremendously along your career as a Wikipedian.

Ah yes, the phrase Just a Wikipedian - look in my "Archive 1" to find out where that came from! Sort of an in-joke I guess. :-) I prefer using that at the moment, but I might change it later as you suggested - stay tuned! There is also the interesting "mysterious Wikipedian" you might want to check out too on my talk page. Honestly, I think my account somehow attracts a very interesting set of threads!

Well, anyway, if you ever need something from me, let me know, and I'll try my best to help out. I'll be reducing my time on Misplaced Pages, but if you leave a message on my talk page, I'll try to get back to you in a reasonable amount of time. Have a great day, and I'll see you around the Wiki! --HappyCamper 15:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm a very quick study, and I like to know the rules of the game before I play. I'm also pretty good at learning new software interfaces. I had probably around 80 edits before creating an account, dating back to May 9th, starting in earnest on May 20th, and I still don't always log in when making minor edits while browsing( login expiration is frustratingly fast at times), so add another 40-60 to the count.

As you can see on my user page, improvement of Zelda articles is my current pet project. Owning all the games, and a fair amount of paraphernalia, I've pulled together most of my resources( some things were so fragile that I left them in the relative calm of my parents' basement) and am currently working through these to fully refresh my memory, while making improvements to the relevant articles. The thing I'm proudest of so far is a major overhaul of Link (Legend of Zelda) a while back.

You shouldn't doubt yourself so much as a sysop, very few seem to do so, and though I've only skimmed the relevant material it appears to be holding you back severely in the eyes of most editors.

On that note, there is something you can help with: a wikivandal. I had originally left some questions and a note for Lucky 6.9, since he'd dealt with the user previously, but Lucky appears to have stopped responding to his talk page. :-( The vandal in question is User:DiddyKong1234 who also edits while not logged in, from IP 24.21.191.65. You can see the history of the problems( mixed in with good edits and apparently misguided ones) by looking at his talk and contribution pages, especially User_talk:24.21.191.65, and at my comments on Lucky's talk page. If you look at the rest of his talk page, you'll notice Lucky's a fairly new admin who gets rather a lot of complaints and keeps on plugging. Actually, didn't you ask him for help somewhere on that page? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 09:47, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Quite the reasoned message you left there on the talk page! I think I'll leave it at that. If the edit quality of that user degenerates any further, I'll block him for a bit. See you around! --HappyCamper 18:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, his vandalism seemed particularly odd and random, and it finally hit me what the most obvious culprit would be. He created another overly specific page which I promptly merged and marked for speedy. Just as I was finishing that, he left a message on my talk page thanking me for the advice and saying he would use it. Let's hope, because even if it didn't turn out to be intentional vandalism, it was all quite disruptive to the functioning of those articles. If there are any further developments suggesting he has still not got a grasp on the point, I'll let you know. You can say something as an admin, and then block him for a while if necessary. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 03:58, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Hi there. I'm not an Esperanzianister, but I happen to have that page on my watchlist, and there is no way I will permit you to take a Wikibreak of longer than a couple of days. Anyway, I took a look through your admin log, and read the discussion above.

Anyway, your deletion log looks fine. Since I'm active on CfD I spotted that you had speedied quite a number of category pages recently, to do with battles. The CSDs say they can't be speedied until 24 hours after emptying, unless they have always been empty. This is very hard to determine without trawling through the tagger's contribs and making sure it's been 24hrs since categories don't have a history. Those particular cats were part of an established structure and I'm not sure whether their deletion would have found consensus at CfD or not. Still, since noone has screamed I presume it's ok. In general, though, categories should not be speedy deleted. This part of policy is something that CfD does need to fine tune, however. I noticed something you had speedied as nonsense to do with flux qubits: patent nonsense has a very narrow definition: simply being nonsensical isn't enough. That one ought probably to have gone to AfD, where it would promptly have been deleted.

Your block and protection logs look fine, too.

The stuff up there ↑ with Stevertigo, well, he's had some civility troubles recently and is currently before the ArbCom for possible abuse of admin powers having faced a fairly damning RfC beforehand. You're not the first and will probably not be the last person to be upset by him: at least you know you're not alone. It's probably something you shouldn't worry about at all: perhaps the speedying of the article in question wasn't quite right (being a duplicative fork means it should either go to AfD or be turned into a redirect), but that really doesn't warrant the kind of response he gave. You did well to respond so calmly and thoroughly. Besides, "an admin review" is not something that works as a threat in my mind: anyone can crawl through anyone else's logs at any time. We're all open to review at a moment's notice. The tone of the message was nevertheless very overbearing and inappropriate as you have pointed out yourself. You're a good admin and shouldn't allow some less-good ones to grind you down — continue doing what you know is right and the community will back you to the hilt.

But if you do decide to scale back your adminning....well....there's always a QPSK receiver structure to draw! -Splash 15:31, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you're feeling better. By the way: checking the history of categories only looks at whether any blurb was added to the description page. It's an unfortunate lacking in the MediaWiki software that categories do not maintain a list of what has been in them, only what is currently in them. The only way of constructing a history is to somehow determine which articles were in them and when they were removed, so in practise it's impossible. Yeah, flux qubit was certainly nonsensical (hey! I can read it now!), and the second definition at WP:PN sometimes allows a small amount of flexibility. Glad you're back in business, anyway. And thanks for the congrats! -Splash 16:24, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

(re: your post at Esperanza) Part of being an admin is occasionally doing things that other editors don't like. Sometimes we make errors in judgement, sometimes other editors are just ill-tempered. (Often it's a bit of both.) The important thing is in handling criticism reasonably, which you obviously did; and being prepared to explain the reasoning behind your actions, which you were. Carry on. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:40, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the above sentiments. Many times, the decisions that admins make aren't appreciated at all; generally, admins only get comments if something that they do is bad or disagreeing with someone (usually a spiteful, blocked user). That's why Esperanza (and I) are here to say that you are doing a fine job. Full accountability is just the way to prove that all the admin actions that you perform are for the good of Misplaced Pages, and are according to policy. Keep up the good work! And actually, a Wikibreak isn't a bad thing. Sometimes, one needs to step back from it all, and re-evaluate priorities. We wouldn't want you to break down, now, would we. ;0! Cheers, Bratsche 03:12, September 9, 2005 (UTC)