Talk:Religious violence in Odisha

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POV tag added

This article needs sources that comply with WP:RS & also its obvious povs removed.-Bharatveer (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Bharatveer, please read the report from NCM, a government entity. You cannot get a better POV. Also, each statemet is refered. Can you please indicate which sources do not comply with WP standard? Recordfreenow (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

i believe i've fixed the POV, so i'm removing the tag. if you feel it should remain, please list specifiv pov violations so they can be fixed. thanks. --vvarkey (talk) 09:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts. Recordfreenow (talk) 17:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Tripping Nambiar - if you feel there is POV violation, please list specific instances so they can be fixed. Thanks. Also, the ref you added does not match the text you added to Christmas violence. --vvarkey (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The article as it stands almost entirely confirms with the views of Christian community. Views of the Hindu community/groups should be added to balance the article.--Vikramsingh (talk) 01:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles subscribes to WP:RS. I encourage you to include referred and relevant inforomation from reliable sources. Please do not include content from blogs or opinions that are reflecting agendas. We want this article to be a place of recognized facts on the communal violence in Orissa. So this is also NOT a place for debate on conversion issue. Recordfreenow (talk) 02:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The article starts with: This article provides information on communal violence targeted against the Christian community in the state of Orissa, India. Does that look unbiased?--Vikramsingh (talk) 02:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Vikramsingh, the article is aiming at providing information relevant to a series of ongoing violence on the Chrisitians. However, I am open to it being rephrased as long as it does not make it a topic of another focus. Such as conversion issus, economic backwardness, political and religious agendas. Thanks for discussing. Recordfreenow (talk) 03:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Note that the murder of the Swami is specifically and repeatedly blamed on the Maoist. However note the The Hindu report: Maoists deny role in VHP leader’s murder --Vikramsingh (talk) 02:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

This is the only article referring to otherwise. Please know that police claims that they did. Also, this reference is based on assertions being made by the VHP themselves. Thanks for pointing out. I believe you should refer to this article.

It is a case of two sides fighting. See Orissa: Groups trade charges on Xmas violence. The article as it is, only discusses attacks on Christians.--Vikramsingh (talk) 02:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

this aspects has been mentioned. Recordfreenow (talk) 03:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

User:record, Can you show where "this aspects has been mentioned" . User :vikram , User:trips, Please add pov tag for the page.-Bharatveer (talk) 04:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Bharatveer, the report by NCM clearly mentions that there were underlying disputes between the tribes in that area. "The official accounts sought to stress the complexity of the situation in Kandhamal district and attributed the violence to the confusion over the High Court Order on the inclusion of SC Christians in the ST category which is vehemently opposed by the Kui tribes in the area. The situation is certainly complex and overlaid with multi-layered contradictions. The conflation of castetribe-communal issues has contributed to the aggravation of social conflicts in this area". Thanks for discussing Recordfreenow (talk) 07:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

See this http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Orissa_Here_clashes_are_not_one-sided/articleshow/3434175.cms

This article needs to be re-written in a NEUTRAL point of view.-09:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)-Bharatveer (talk) 09:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I have included this and removed POV. If you want to add it back, please include specifics as Bharatveer has done. this will help the article overall, regardless of your own POV —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vvarkey (talk • contribs) 10:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Are there aspects that still need to be re-written for NPOV? If not, then as user Vvarkey. Remove NPOV tag. Recordfreenow (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I think this page should be merged with 2008 Orissa violence. It clears up the notability for that article as well. Perhaps a new name can be "Communal violence in Orissa" or "2007-2008 Orissa violence" (albeit the latter might change). What do others feel? Lihaas (talk) 10:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Lihaas, I would like to merge but as I am reviewing the information, it is quite clear that the August violence FAR exceeds the December violence. I suggest we merge after a few days to determine the best title. Remember that once you have a new title you lose your search engine standing Recordfreenow (talk) 11:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be "Communal violence in Orissa". having the year in the name does not make sense anymore. the incident from 1999 should also be included. I hear what recordfreenow is saying about search engines, but not sure that should be out concern. anyways, is'nt it possible for the old title to point to the new page? not sure how that works.--vvarkey (talk) 01:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Rename and Merge completed. Naming it Orissa Communal violence was intentional for searches to give this result. Thanks for your cooperations. Recordfreenow (talk) 08:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This article should be re-written in a NPOV . I have added a Pov tag for the time being.-Bharatveer (talk) 07:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Please specify aspects in discussion that do not refer to NPOV. Cannot accept your description without basis. Otherwise, I advise removal of NPOV. Misplaced Pages is not a place for any agendas. State facts relevant to political landscape of India. Thank you very much. Recordfreenow (talk) 07:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hoot

I have corrected as per the source cited.-Bharatveer (talk) 08:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your effort. Recordfreenow (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

formatting

Lihaas, please see my response to each section. Thanks. Recordfreenow (talk) 17:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC) the picture with the caption "The secular fabric of India is in flames during Orissa communal violence" is a little out place. It puts the page out of whack. in like with other wikipages, perhaps it would be better to move it to the top right so the contents table can be where the picture is.

Please recommend edits that help. I think it looks good. We can have different opinion on how the layout should be. I am open to your recommendation. I am sure you would honor agreeing to disagree about layout. I know we are all putting effort to give right perspective. Recordfreenow (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

And while we're at it: "The secular fabric of India is in flames during Orissa communal violence" This caption is a little POV too (not religious pov, but secular liberal POV). Why the editorial-like comment of the "secular fabric." Perhaps something like "Violence and burining during the ..."

I have changed it for now as I want to honor your opinion. However, would you not agree that communal violence damages India's secular nature? It is quite alright, if you use this caption at any place where communal violence occurs. The fact is that it does damamge India's secular fabric. It damages secularism period. Regardless from which camp. Violence against a group, especially against minority, is by definition against secularism. You might as well not refer India as a secular country. Do you see what I am stating? Regardless of what persuasion you and I are. I hope you are able to understand and accept the title. Recordfreenow (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, what's the wording for the picture that says "Christian girl who suffered during August 2008 violence in Orissa" How do we know for certainty its a christian girl? Perhaps one can say "victim of communal rioting" (now, don't get me wrong, the other picture of the burned church is fair enough, there's a cross and it's proof as it is) Lihaas (talk) 16:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Who is we? There are no camps amongst editors. :) At least I hope not. First, the source of the image verifies the identity. Is there way to varify it, yes. See Reuters enclosure of images. . It verifies the community background. I have not taken the image from Reuters as hat would be copyright violation. Rather it is from a release by AICC. Thanks for discussion. I really appreciate it. Recordfreenow (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

External links

Lihaas, Within the sectionWP:EL. Please indicate which aspects under section "Links normally to be avoided" do not qualify under policy? All the external links are relevant for the article. Please discuss before random decisions to delete. These are efforts being put. You are welcome to add any reliable sources that qualify. Thank you very much for your cooperation. Recordfreenow (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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