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Hurray!!!

I think User:Steve espinola has been retired and has left (at least my) wikispace in peace for several days after a solid week of fighting him over wide regions of the wikisphere. Hurray!! — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 13:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

-I'm going to repeat something I posted here that was erased, which is against wikipedia rules, no matter what others may have told you. Your writing appears to be in favor of Rose, good. But you have no right to rewrite dissenting views. Because people don't agree doesn't mean you can simply silence them by launching smear campaigns. I know that this will be erased so I have alerted the same person who locked the Biff Rose page as well as someone named Bill the Greek, an advocate who has entered teh fray. Call me what you will. I've actually done postings not related to Rose. You have not.Jonah Ayers 17:29, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

As you can see, he's still here, just writing under a different name. Sojambi Pinola 19:14, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

"Jonah," by my count you have contributed to 6 articles under that user name. Most of those changes involved changing a single word. "But" to "though" for example. Wow. I guess I could have done the same, but why bother? Sojambi Pinola 22:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Archived flame

Consider this an archive (Sorry if this is bad form, but I found it rather humorous. Seems in reference to my comment Hurray!!!') — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 20:49, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Subject: Listen chump

not only have you acted in collusion with Willmcw but you have behaved badly. I would use stronger language but I don't think that it is appropriate here. I will say this, it is obvious to me and to my advocate that though you assume what Willmcw says to be true, the edits I made were in fact worthy, and not only will your reply be redirected to my advocate but also to a host of otehr administrators. This has become such a trying time that I've been granted the ability to switch to a new identity and leave your vicious attacks behind. You have proven to be a slimy loose moralled child who spends too much time at wikipedia tryong to bully others out of the edits you have only taken up since this July. Whihc translates to the fac that your 'job' at 23 leaves you such an amount of free time that you can sling insults and barbs online rather than actually do positive work at Misplaced Pages. Whereas my edits may not have been as substantial as your own, my sockpuppetry related to willmcw, or at least buddying upo wiht him, has not been as pervasive as your own. I'm leaving. I'm fed up with the typical acne faced loser who can't get a date with a woman or a man, and so spends his time in front of his computer screen making alliances with other awkward socially malnourished dweebs who can think of nothing better than to try an interact only thorugh the computer. You do a disservice to all computer geeks everywhere by trying to be more intelligent than others, because the lack of your vision seeps through the anger you display for all to see. Any true hacker knows that the way you have taking stands here has opened you up for retribution, as I am nnot a hacker, I won't work on such matters, in negative aspects. But you should be mindful that you've made a strong mess here, and no matter what your own opinon is, oyu should learn manners, and go out andd get a date rather than having your total amount of human interaction fed to you through wikipedia and your own websites. LoserSteve espinola 17:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Ugh. That's very sad. The tragic side of a bully. I'm actually going to feel bad for my doppelganger if I don't watch out.Sojambi Pinola 22:15, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Sock puppets

Upon reflection and consultation with other administrators, I have blocked most of the sock puppet accounts that have been involved in editing Biff Rose. I've posted a note about the incident on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Biff Rose-related sock puppets. Perhaps with the editor back to one account (at least temporarily) we can unprotect the page and return to editing. Thanks for your patience and your contributions. -Willmcw 22:19, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Awesome Edit!

I was inspired by your skills in transforming the garbage heap that was User talk:Steve espinola. Well, my first experience w/ sockpuppets has proved most enlightening and engaging. Thanks for helping clean up the damage...repeatedly. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 02:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

:) Keep fighting the good fight! Thanks for your research, support, and sense of humor. A pleasure working with you. Sojambi Pinola 05:10, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Laugh Out Loud Funny!

LOL!! Take a look at User talk:Steve espinola!! I've included a passage of the bible on my user page...so, without any further ado, here is some biblical goodness.

HAHAHA!! He then goes to textdump verbatim the *entire* intro to the KJV and a *ton* of random verses. It has to be against rules some where ... it adds a full 500KB to the database heh. Still pretty funny. HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 14:54, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Lordy. Wasn't he banned? Sojambi Pinola 06:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Simply blocked. Blocked users may still edit their own talk pages. -Willmcw 07:18, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Puppeteering?

Sojambi: I'm not quite sure about the meaning of your message on my talk page. It seems like you are calling me some user named Steve espinola's sock puppet, while he is calling me willmcw's sock puppet, at some point I was called Biff Rose's sock puppet, and now seemingly Biff Rose is saying I'm jealous of his singing career? I really don't give two hoots about this article and Biff Rose, other than at some point I tried to contribute and correct some vandalism, but please feel free to remove all my contributions, including the photo, and DO move on. I'm not any of the aforementioned user's sockpuppet and do not carry any specific agenda regarding Biiff Rose, and I certainly do not claim to having an ounce of musical talent, so I really can't be jealous of anybody's singing career. Cheers, Steve espin... ahem Marcuse 02:49, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Being called a sockpuppet is a sign of being a true Wikipedian. Half the active admins were once labelled as being my sockpuppets, and I, in turn, have been called a sockpuppet a couple of times too. FWIW, I don't think you're a sockpuppet. You'll have to pardon other editors who have grown suspicious, particularly in reference to the Biff Rose article - they have good reasons. Ultimately, all that matters is that you make positive contributions. If you do then you're an asset to the project, if you don't then you should find another project. Your contributions seem to have been made positively and with good faith. Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages. Cheers, -Willmcw 06:25, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

(shrugs) If I'm wrong, forgive me or ignore me. I agree that the most important thing is the quality of the contributions. I still believe you are who I think you are. Feel free to email me if it's actually important to you; but if you're telling the truth it probably shouldn't be. Sojambi Pinola 05:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Buddy!!!! Finally made it over here. Let's fix it up. Stop those pranksters from ruining Biff's name. We'll do it. I'll edit and re edit that page every five minutes. Now I'm out of the hospital and have a laptop again. Let's get them. No matter what they say about Biff, I'll change it to read good, so it says only good things. ~~ (anonymously posted by User:Bag of donuts)

OK I laughed hard when I heard the nickname :-) BUT ... it's Bob's (aka User:Steve espinola, User:Jonah Ayers, etc.) latest sockpuppet . — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 17:10, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

You guys need to lay off of me. I'm not this meangarie of evil as yo ulike to play me. But this is mostly to Sojambi. I don't think this is at all funny. If you think my take on Rose is wrong, I'm sorry, but I have nothing to do with him, or anyone else posting about him. That said, I feel VERY strongly about Anti-semeticism. My grandfather was exterminated after working in the Warzaw ghetto uprising. It's not a subject I take lightly. My family is jewish, and though I'm not a practicing Jew, I realize the dangers of Anti semticism. You play like this is a joke, that I don't get Rose's humor- and you're right. Becasue it's not humorous to our dead and beloved. It's not one damn bit. Now, I've worked hardi nthe civil rights movement of modern times, and I feel with strong certainty, that those pictures on Rose's site, with the african american children, and the captions rose wrote beneath them, in'ebonics' is very racist, no matter how you would like t o categorize it. IT IS BLATANT RACISM> the way he discusses jews, or heebs as he has written, on his website, this is disgraceful. This is nothing to be proud of. This is a shameful thing to stick up for. Somewhere in the middle of all this, you claimed to be jewish. If that is so, I appeal to your Judaism to realize that though it may not be offensive to you, the way Rose deals with that hateful temrinology is indeed something I take very seriously, as does my family, and jewish friends. If someone were to pick that topic which you were most protective of, and slice it in the same hodge podge Rose uses, and then add in the anger that is so very apparent in his later work, then I believe you would side with me. The allegations you laud on me, with no reall basis, are fraudulent and irritating to say the least. There is more to the subject than the joke at hand. I've printed out all the go rounds we've had on here, and sent them to the Anti Defamation League, as have I printed out the lyrics from his albums and sent them out to the NAACP- because no amount of badgering form you will end this. It could have been a simple edit compromise. But yo ubegan attacking me personally, and calling me things that just weren't true, implying others were really my writing. This is unfair and ill logical. By your actions you awoke something inside of me, something I hadn't felt in some time, and now I'm following through. Because to you these may be jokes, and funny surrealist asides, but to the blacks of New Orleans who lost everything and were denied help by our government, and to Jews everywhere struggling eveyr minute against the rampant anti semticism in this world, the words Rose enacts aren't in the same category as when PAtti Smith tried to devalue the word'nigger' by allowing its meaning to slip the bonds of racial boundaries and become something else entirely- rose uses those words with angry and impure thoughts that have arisen in hatred, and baits people with them, when he doesn't mean them completely- this is not an ok situation. Just as I disagree vehemntly with the poster who wrote Rose wasa a child molester, or the poster who wrote he was in Jail. I'm not them, and shouldn't be put in the same group. I urge you for once to try and see things beyond the scope of what you have previously digested, and understand that words taht may not strike your heart, can, and do, strike that of others. You mentioned subjectivity earlier, and I think your objectivity on the subject of Biff Rose is clouded by your friendship with him. He is who he is. you give him high marks and I give him low ones. Don't tell me he's god, and I won't tell you he's the devil. His language is the devil, and it should be noted on this site that he writes that sort of thing.Jonah Ayers 08:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

oh man, you make a lot of enemies. You seem like a pretty weird guy, but that's cool. A little more literal than other editors. Remember NPOV, use it like a mantra, guy.Jonah Ayers 07:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Biff Rose

Hello, Sojambi Pinola! Recently Jonah Ayers came to me seeking my opinion, and I thought I'd share some tips and guidelines with you.

Jonah claims that you are reverting his edits on sight. I just urge you to discuss all major additions and removals of texts and quotes on the talk page. The point of a temp page is so that the editors can hold a productive discussion. The Biff Rose page is protected to stop edit warring, and reverting blindly on the page will not help in resolving this issue.

In addition, I reiterate my encouragement to all of you to discuss things before adding or removing any text (or quotes). Also, it might be good to cite your sources; the first step is to prove that they are valid quotes. If they are, then all the editors should discuss whether they add to the article, and whether they should be included.

Finally, I urge all of you to tone down your arguments; remember that you should avoid all personal attacks. Stay civil, even if the other person may seem hostile. Remember that being antagonists will do nothing, and will not help toward creating a successful article.

Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

The Biff Rose article is almost perfectJonah Ayers 04:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes. Done.