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Defend each other

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Thanks for your thanks! I saw your note to Lar and your mention of it above reminded me. It's a great idea. Do you want or need any help with it? --Guinnog 05:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Count me in, please. --Guinnog 06:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Added User:Georgewilliamherbert/DefendEachOther - Georgewilliamherbert 00:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand now that I shouldn't have tried to defend myself when I was attacked by Synaptic on the Talk:VEST page, but it was not their first attack and no one pointed it out to me before. They keep doing it and I had never read the WP:COI before until you pointed it out. Thank you. It helped. It's very difficult not to react to such attacks and just sit there waiting for someone to care to respond. If no one ever responds, especially if they don't know what is going on, who is right and who is wrong, the attack remains there for everyone to read and possibly also to make different real life decisions assuming that you have nothing to say to it and that you left in shame. Where do we go to cry for help? Ruptor 09:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

Hi, I asked you an optional question on your RFA, thought i'd mention it here since it can be easy to miss new questions. Garion96 (talk) 12:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm following up offline with Doc, I will answer it after that's had a chance for some discussion. Reasonable question. Georgewilliamherbert 23:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I supported your RFA, but I'd like an assurance that you won't end up building a temple of hate to Arthur. Guettarda 17:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Arthur has nothing to worry about. The whale, now... Georgewilliamherbert 23:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Hey, he's just zis whale, you know... Guy (Help!) 09:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! Essjay (Talk) 03:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. Regards, Newyorkbrad 04:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto, congrats. The Rambling Man 08:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Good luck. I hope you become a successful administrator. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 09:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You hope he becomes one? :) Have you seen how highly many people think of him? Congratulations George, I'm pleased to see that your RfA has been successful. Based on the opinions of others I trust I'm convinced you'll be (and have been) a valuable asset to the project. To the extent it can help you be an even better contributor, please do continue to consider the concerns raised. - Taxman 14:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

This user is an administrator on the English Misplaced Pages

Awesome! Herewith a gift... Well done, I look forward to even better times working with you. ++Lar: t/c 18:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, and keep up the good work! -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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User:Gjenvick

George, Thanks for helping me to help Paul with his problem. Cheers! --Kevin Murray (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC) PS: Are you a sailor? Perhaps you'd like to come sailing with us on the Bay sometime.

Thanks much - however, if it's been resolved, why is it that today, when I didn't write anything in edit summary, CAMERA put its ad in my edit summary box?1equalvoice1 (talk) 19:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1equalvoice1 (talk • contribs)

Is this really appropriate?

I wonder if OrangeMarlin, Jim62sch, and their friends are aware how close they are to having their real names in the press in a story about a group of POV-pushers on Misplaced Pages? They probably aren't aware, as they appear to be amazingly myopic.

That reads quite a bit like a threat to out people. It's off-wiki, so you can be as rude as you want, but your threat to out people strikes me as rather beyond the pale. Guettarda (talk) 17:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's unambiguously a threat to out people. Which will get you indef'ed if you follow through on it, and you know that. That's been policy for a very long time. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not threatening to "out" them to the press. I have no control over what the press chooses to report on. My comment was based on someone elses comment earlier in that thread that they had been discussing the situation with an Associated Press reporter. So, it wasn't me that had implied that they had gotten the press involved. I was trying to point that out to any interested reader. Why do you guys feel that I have any influence with the press? Cla68 (talk) 21:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that group of editors' behavior related to Intelligent Design articles has become such a problem that uninvolved editors and admins like me have noticed the problem and gotten involved to varying degrees. I hope that the editors in question are willing and able to correct their behavior on their own. Cla68 (talk) 00:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I clarified my remarks here . Cla68 (talk) 01:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Prompt response

Your block was a quick and appropriate response. Well done! --Achim (talk) 03:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Block 70.107.160.0/19

You appear to have block IP range 70.107.160.0/19. This is a DHCP range assigned by Verizon in the Brooklyn, NY area. By blocking this, you are preventing many legitimate users from editing pages. Please reconsider whether this is an efficient method of preventing abuse from whoever it was who committed the acts of vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cascascas (talk • contribs) 04:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, there's a very persistent Misplaced Pages vandal operating out of that IP range among others. The block will remain up, for now. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 00:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi George. Great job you are doing. Keep up the good work. Signed Wickzilla--162.83.255.109 (talk) 04:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, btw I don't just use Verizon and I don't always improve Misplaced Pages anonymously. In fact most of my "improvements" are fairly subtle changes where only someone who knows something about the subject knows it's obviously wrong. Pretty neat huh? To think I have you to thank for the inspiration. Yes you George are responsible for singlehandedly alienating about 20 million potential users with your range blocks as well as motivating me to subtly work to degrade Misplaced Pages's credibility. Too bad there is no article about Retro Aerospace.--162.83.255.109 (talk) 04:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Georgie! It's me again. Still busily working on Misplaced Pages. Thanks for all the blocks with Verizon. --70.184.190.120 (talk) 01:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: User:Kombiman

Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I just get going and don't know when to slow down. FWIW, Kombiman made this edit right after I reverted his first one, so, yeah... J.delanoy_adds 01:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

What the heck was this message about?

'This is your last warning. The next time you vandalise Misplaced Pages, as you did to Fat Man, you will be blocked from editing.'

I have possibly edited Misplaced Pages twice in my entire life, and don't even know what 'Fat Man' is.

Incredible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.36.207 (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Invite to review a set of articles

Hi there. You participated in this ANI thread. I picked out the names of some editors I recognised, or who had extensive comments there, and I was wondering if you would have time to review the articles mentioned in the thread I've started here, and in particular the concerns I've raised there about how I used the sources. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 09:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Edit Warring and Asams10

Hi George,

1) I have some feedback on 'Edit Warring,' namely regarding the article on 'Magazines(firearms).' I was accused of this after my contributions were simply deleted (repeatedly) and replaced with biased information not adhering to the Misplaced Pages guidelines. Now, from our consensus discussion, isn't it appropriate that the main article includes completely verifiable dictionary definitions of the term along with the disputed content? Certainly, even at this stage of discussion, you noted that including such common usage definitions are hugely important and critical to the Misplaced Pages guidelines. At the very least, the dictionary definition should be included while we derive a deeper consensus on the ultimate language. From my understanding of the 'consensus discussion' guidelines this is a valid position within the context of our on-going consensus discussion and thus my recent edit to include the dictionary definition should not have been considered 'Edit Warring.' However, I was again accused of 'Warring' simply for adding the dictionary definition and improving the language (while still including the definition present in the original page content). I believe we have at least reached a stage in our discussion where we can, at minimum, agree to include the common usage definition. In addition, user Asams10 (who deleted my last edit) has admited to not really reading my Talk page posts -- so how can he be arguing for consensus discussion (or that he is actually participating in a 'real' consensus discussion) when he is not actually participating in trying to get there? Could you please read my last edit and see if such is currenlty acceptable language for the main article (while we continue the consensus discussion)?

2) Regarding Asams10. I do not understand why user Asams10 has not been blocked or banned. He constantly violates the Misplaced Pages terms of use policy. In fact, as he plainly admits during in the consensus discussion, he is not actually reading my discussion comments in the Talk page. So (and if he wants to be a part of it) how can we progress if he will not read the comments, yet then insists on repeatedly deleting any edits to the topic? This means that 'consensus' in his mind, is simply his viewpoint and he is unwilling (or unable) to grasp concepts outside of his current view -- and this is not contributing to a consensus viewpoint. I have noticed that this is a pattern with him, as his arguments and behavior have been similarly problematic with many reasonable contributors. It seems he is more interested in just aguing (like in a debate forum) then positively contributing to Misplaced Pages. I do not think that Misplaced Pages benefits from users such as Asams10.

3) I think that Misplaced Pages needs to be clear to editors that definitions and linguistic interpretations differ from person to person and that doesn't mean they are 'incorrect.' People like Asams10 feel that a particular current and/or historical definition is somehow handed down 'from God,' -- and thus, they fail to understand how language evolves with use. Do they realize that at one point these words (or new use of a word) hadn't even been created yet. Do they understand that words are basically a contrivance used for communication? I had used an analogy that some people call their SUVs cars, while other call them trucks, while the DMV might have their own special definitions. Basically, we cannot get too wrapped up in such 'specifics' or historical perspectives of a particular definition because of linguistic evolution (and, if we want to include the historical perspective, we should note that in a specific way). For instance, the term 'gun' is now used to indicate all 'firearms' which we both know is not really historically accurate, but it is also not 'incorrect' in the linquistic sense.

In any case, I would like to request that my 'Edit Warring' warnings be removed and that user Asams10 is either banned, blocked, or severely reprimanded. After reviewing his ongoing problems with users on this site, I think that banning him would be best for Misplaced Pages, as he is ridiculously disruptive to the very process by which Misplaced Pages progresses.CrimsonSage (talk) 20:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, if I did not actually violate the 3RR policy, then why is there a message on my talk page saying that I have? I don't appreciate that message being left on my talk page, especially when it is invalid and I would like it removed; I would also expect an apology for that incorrect accusation. Additionally, I would request that 'neutral language' be used in the main article during the concensus discussion as expected by Misplaced Pages terms-of-use policies (please review my last contribution that was deleted). In addition, I would like a better explanation as to how I was participating in edit warring when I was adding a factual, verifiable definition to an article (well within Misplaced Pages guidelines), which were then plainly deleted in their entirety, and then during a concensus discussion the participant admited to not reading my comments in the Talk page (and thus not dutifully participating in the discussion), while others in the discussion acknowledge that, at minimum, we need to include such definitions. When added for neutrality, again the comments were deleted -- this is unacceptable.CrimsonSage (talk) 23:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

From Misplaced Pages itself: -- "Consensus develops from agreement of the parties involved. This can be reached through discussion, action (editing), or more often, a combination of the two. Consensus can only work among reasonable editors who make a good faith effort to work together in a civil manner." If one participant will not read comment in the Talk page, but yet insists on being "king high dictator" when it comes to controlling the content, how is that reasonable? Something needs to be done about this; it is exactly the sort of behavior that is putting a drag on Misplaced Pages and shouldn't be tolerated. This is ridiculous.CrimsonSage (talk) 00:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. As mentioned, I did not commit a 3RR, and that should be removed from my talk page and apologized for (at the minimum). But, just so that you understand my position, it's not about being excited/calm, upset, etc. It's that Misplaced Pages should not allow such blatant disruptive behavior as demonstrated by Asams10. I must disagree that edit warring equates to being a victim of blantant Misplaced Pages terms-of-use violation reverts (as I was). The spirit of the Misplaced Pages policy and contributions must be taken into account when determining such. The blame falls squarely on the the fact that Asams10 was in full violation of said policy. And moreover, he tried to use 'edit warring' threats to 'force' his particular view; that's contrary to the purpose of the warnings. George, I know that you are trying to smooth this out by staying neutral, etc., but by doing so, it is my opinion that you are encouraging his bad behavior. In any case, I'll continue to participate in the Talk page (even though my posts aren't being read).CrimsonSage (talk) 03:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi George, I wanted to remind you again that I did not commit a 3RR and that such should be removed from my talk page and apologized for by the offending party.CrimsonSage (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi George, that 3RR is still there. I would appreaciate if it was removed, becuase there was no 3RR comitted. Thanks.CrimsonSage (talk) 01:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm blocked

I received a message that you blocked me from editing. I spent a good deal of time today entering doctoral programs and links to them on Misplaced Pages's Health Psychology page. I am not a vandal. When I discover a piece of vandalism, I undo it. I am a good citizen.

Please remove the block. I was about to add a small number of Canadian doctoral programs to the list of doctoral programs I already added when I discovered that you blocked me.

Thanks.

ISS246 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iss246 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Asams10

George, this is getting utterly rediculous. Asams10 is continuing to edit war (Magazine:firearms) in complete disregard to a concensus agreement. He rephrased language that was arrived at through a long concensus discussion with several people. I have reverted those edits as they are clearly not in agreement with the concensus, but this is not what Misplaced Pages is all about. This is undermining the entire philosophy which has a policy against tendentious editing. Isn't anyone going to do anything about it? Why is this user (who has a history of being blocked) being allowed to participate is this disruptive behavior. This is a huge problem for the very integrity and concept of Misplaced Pages.CrimsonSage (talk) 01:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

re:Star wars kid

I dig. But please note that the user who removed the Star wars kid's name (twice, in fact) is not an admin. But, as I said, I get your point and will refrain from using his name. RC-0722 /1 18:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I didn't see your edit there. Sorry 'bout that. RC-0722 /1 18:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Howard Bloom

Hi George,

Among other superfluous content, the article on Bloom mentions who he went to high school with and where that fellow went to college. Of what encyclopedic value is this?

Is is also filled with trivia that might be of interest to his children, supposing it's all true, but certainly has no place in an encyclopedia article.

It further mentions a number of pseudoscientific areas he claims to have "invented," wildly violates WP:NPOV, and entirely ignores WP:AUTO.

I think a minimal approach is called for until it's corrected, assuming Bloom evens warrants mention in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.91.226 (talk) 18:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hi George, Thanks for offering to look through the discussion/additions to the LHC and Safety of the Large Hadron Collider articles. Anything I can do just give me a shout. Thanks 14:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Your GA is under review

Hi there, I see that you are a primary contributor to the article Tsar Bomba. This article has come under review for Good article reassessment as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified which are listed on the talk page. Please begin to address these points in the next seven days or the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 09:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

...and exactly where does it say we can use non-free scientific images under our non-free content policy ?

Being quite familiar with the policy I was surprised at your close on the memristor image. I have listed the image at PUI. Megapixie (talk) 22:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Safety of the Large Hadron Collider

Request for comment. Could you consider providing a third party comment on the current content dispute at Talk:Safety_of_the_Large_Hadron_Collider#Otto_Rössler.

An editor is arguing for removal of explanations of organized safety opposition motivations and concerns as "not reliable" and "original research". Published peer reviewed papers challenging the primary safety argument "Hawking Radiation" have also been removed as "not relevant". Thank you. --Jtankers (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The BADSITES wars

You are right. WAS 4.250 (talk) 22:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Fanatics on Misplaced Pages

Do you dispute the factual accuracy of the the appraisal? If so, delete my comments and sanction me. I am tired of the bullshit. Admins who favor proceess over morality and facts make me sick.--Cberlet (talk) 03:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Block

George, would you mind if I were to unblock Cberlet? Editing the LaRouche pages would make a saint lose his patience, on top of which his own bio is repeatedly under attack, often by the same people, and he has been incredibly patient about it. I feel he expressed a legitimate point of view, albeit with harsh language. SlimVirgin 12:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I would ask you not to, SlimVirgin. There is a consensus on ANI that the block is very valid (in fact, I have half a mind to blank out the current Nazi Germany ("At least they made the trains run on time") comment on his talk page. If Cberlet cannot edit the LaRouche articles without losing his patience, maybe he needs to take a self-imposed break from said articles until he can. SirFozzie (talk) 12:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I've asked for clarification on whether this block should be annotated in the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Lyndon LaRouche 2 case . Cla68 (talk) 06:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

List of micronations

Hi. What do you think about semi-protecting the above article again? It seems that newly created user accounts and IP addresses keep advertising their own micronations there. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello

I might have a potential move-vandalism and general vandalism problem. BeerBelly82, TitleRanch903, and BuffaloSam. The latter of the three left Misplaced Pages in December of 07 and came back yesterday. The others appear to be new accounts.

BeerBelly82 moved the Johnstown/Altoona Television Market template to Template:Johnstown/Altoona/State College TV, though I can find nothing to show "State College" is part of the official Nielsen "name" for that market. All of the pages that linked to the old template were then changed. TitleRanch903 appears to be following in this changing of old templates.

BuffaloSam has moved two radio market templates to "names" that don't appear to match the official Arbitron "name". This user also changed all of the pages that linked to the old template.

To me, this seems like move-vandalism and general vandalism. I could be wrong, but as Kubigula and Firsfron are out (the admins I bring stuff like this to), I bring it to your attention. Thanks...NeutralHomer 00:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, this has been sorted out by another admin. Take Care...NeutralHomer 05:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Chat about WP Admin?

Hi George,

I'm a graduate student at Stanford working on tools for WP admins. Since the best way of getting to know a role is to talk to people actually in that role, I was hoping to speak with you (IM, email, or phone, whichever works for you) about your role as a WP admin. I'd be especially interested in talking to you about how admin on WP differs from your role as moderator on the newsgroups you mentioned. Please let me know if you're interested. Thanks! Zeppomedio (talk) 18:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU BLOCK ME??

I never talked on Darko Trifunovic page!!! I never even saw the page and you blocked me for 1 month! WHAT DID I DO? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.185.99 (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocks

It's pretty funny when someone goes to WP:ANI and ends up getting blocked themselves. It's kind of like the old saying, "Never sue - they might prove it." Baseball Bugs 06:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

And thank you for your continued help with Liebman. He's got more socks than Wal*Mart sells on a good day. And sometimes they come in pairs, as they did earlier today. Baseball Bugs 06:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for your illustration! How did you make it?

Hello George,

I found your work Image:2nodeHAcluster.png to be very helpful illustrating the concepts of a high availability cluster with a very clear layout in the diagram and icons that are easier on the eyes than say Dia's set of Cisco icons.

What software did you use to create the diagram? Did the iconset you used come with the software? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.115.68.21 (talk) 03:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

That was just Visio. It's the most common product used for computer system physical and logical diagrams. Those icons are standard ones... Give me a second and I'll dig up the source and let you know which stencil files I used for it. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure why, but I can't find the Visio file source. They are all standard icons in Visio, though. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Dsegal58

Hi, George. Would you mind particularly if I unprotected this page and attempted some dialogue with Mr. Segal? I think his last post there shows an an attempt to come around and learn about our processes and culture, as well as abide by a ban on Andrew Jackson and the twenty dollar bill. Maybe under the tutelage of a more experienced editor, his expertise may be of help to us. east718 // talk // email // 01:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see that in the dialog, however, if you want to put the effort in go ahead. Please, if it doesn't work, redo the protection. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. east718 // talk // email // 01:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Dj master2

Hi there. I noticed you recently blocked Padillo for uploading copyrighted images. This user, User talk:Dj master2 is uploading images of a smilar nature. Could you take a quick look, and possibly give him a warning or block? Kind regards, D.M.N. (talk) 07:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it looks like more of the same.

Anyone can leave a warning, and I did so. I will block if they fail to cooperate... Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 08:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I tracked down Image:Jimmy Rave.jpg to here. The Chris Sabin image is also from here, though I have yet to locate it on the site but given the extremily similar position and quality of the photography it seems evident. The Alex Shelley image could've been grabbed from any website on the internet and replaced an actual GFDL image. –– Lid 08:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

There's also Homeyman (talk · contribs) who starting to upload similar images. D.M.N. (talk) 13:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ahoy-hoy

Hola broseph! I'd like to thank you taking care of this little piece of business. But I was also wondering if you could be my go to guy when it comes to pic questions. I don't have a firm understanding of what tags go where and my old go to girl doesn't fuss with pics any longer. So, whuddya say? Also, can you copy your reply to my talk page. Many thanks.

Coolio, Endless Dan 16:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

But...

But I Want To Be Blocked. I'm Tired Of This Wiki.

User talk:Badagnani#Blocked for 31 hours

Hello. That user, which you blocked, has requested to be unblocked. For the reasons noted on his or her talk page, I am inclined to think that the request is well-founded. I would appreciate your comments on the matter. Thanks,  Sandstein  09:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

When you return, it might be worthwhile to relook at this, and leave an appropriate comment for the now-unblocked user. The two independent reverts involved do not amount to edit-warring, and the talk comments were civil (as there was no violation of edit-warring policy, the block on Badagnani was not appropriate). In any case, it was wise to leave it open to review at ANI, and I'm glad that you did. Cheers - Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I think your block was good and should be remained because the user cause disruptions and makes personal attacks against me after his unblock.--Caspian blue (talk) 02:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Caspian blue has been involved in a dispute with Badagnani and his claims lack merit - if he has concerns, he needs to pursue dispute resolution. Also, I notice I didn't mention it earlier: the block on Melonbarmonstar2 was appropriate and well-placed. Ncmvocalist (talk) 02:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

That is not at all content dispute as you guess, but his uncivil behaviors. After the unblock, the user falsely accuses me several times regardless of my asking him to help me. Besides, I can leave anything I want to say to the admin just like you do. As long as the user behaves disruptively, the unblock is a bad decision. Besides, you really tried to unblock him, so your comments here have no merit. Two admins thought that the block of two are good, while two admin thinks not. So this is not a even "consensus". (I think you would pull it)--Caspian blue (talk) 03:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the last time I'm going to tell you: if you have concerns, please pursue dispute resolution, as he will not be reblocked (there were no uncivil behaviors - the claim is meritless). Blocks are not punitive, and unblock requests do not require consensus but instead simply need a review of the block. I can certainly get that other admin who thought the block was 'good' to review it again, and I'm pretty sure he'll change his mind accordingly (if you don't think so, ask him yourself). Good day. Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you're neither George whom I initially talked to nor admin who can take an action. This is WP:WHEEL between admins. After his unblock, there were uncivil behaviors by him, so I addressed his initial block should be remained. Your reply here is really meritless because it is clear that you're supporting Badagnani's action. More importantly you're giving implausible reasons for your own opinion. Regards.--Caspian blue (talk) 13:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

If you think it's wheel warring, why aren't you telling the Arbitration Committee? The phrase "put up, or shut up" is coming to my mind. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Nonsense, and don't make such personal attack with the dirty language. You already broke your promise. That is also amusing. You were connected to Badagnani in the past and your problematic behaviors were reported recently, so your wording has no merit after all.--Caspian blue (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh? The only wheelwarring and personal attacks that have occurred are in your own imagination, which is why nobody has (or will) listen to your meritless claims or annoyances. Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

"Put up or shut up" is in no way a "dirty" comment, it's a common G-rated English expression. Be careful with your accusations. Baseball Bugs 12:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what "G-rated English" is (English wikipedia is not only for American users). However, I consider "shut up" is as such. You don't see the accusations by Ncmvocalist, so be careful when you want to advice". Ncmvocalist, why don't you stop nagging about my statement. I consider your complaint has no worthy to be taken into serious.--Caspian blue (talk) 13:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Stop being utterly disruptive - an admin has already told you that there's nothing to see here, and removed your comment from the ANI thread because it lacked merit. Enough is enough. 00:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Stop trolling and mind you own business. The admin is related to some matter with me. And you broke your promise consistently. What are you? This talk page is owned by Gerogewilliamherbert, not you, and my initial comment was toward him. So deal with different opinions. If you could not stop yourself, use your page.--Caspian blue (talk) 00:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:NFC

I wonder if you could provide any information in this discussion where I have quoted the comment you made on AN/I. Thanks. Ty 02:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Godwin comment on press photographs

Hi George. About your ANI quote here. I vaguely remember that as well, but from memory I think it was a while ago now. Can you provide a date and diff to firm that up? There is also a discussion at WT:NFC, where I've commented. See here. I agree with Geni that news photographs of recent news events (and even obscure historical ones if they are still selling the photos to people wanting to illustrate history articles - that wouldn't be the original market role of 'news', but we would be breaching the current market role of 'history') are problematic unless the picture is iconic, oft-discussed as an image, and so on. The difference between this and, say, still shots from a Hollywood film or a book or album cover, is that the latter is only a small portion of the whole product, and doesn't infringe on sales of the original product (not sure about cases where an album cover gets sold separately as a poster). When people are in the business of taking photos and selling them, then fair use really has to be very firm and "educational" in my opinion. I've always said the best way forward is to make lists of examples of good practice. I'd be interested in restarting WP:NFCC8 and would be interested in your opinion there, and at this list. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 02:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Oooh, interesting quote, any chance of a publicly available version of Godwin's words? MBisanz 03:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I seem to have missed some follow-up here. Do you have something more concrete about what Godwin said? I'd obviously be quite interested to see that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It was in one of the recent threads on foundation-L, as I recall, but I don't have it handy. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything on the list archives of the last few months. I've asked Godwin for confirmation. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

UPdate: going back until January, I can only find this , a thread you seem to have been active in yourself, but its tenor seems to be substantially different from what you reported. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Apologies

Hello, Georgewilliamherbert, I'm so sorry to make your page filled with unnecessary bickering with some user. Your user page is for you and your visitors, but I was so upset at childish and unreasonable attacks by the user. I just wanted to say your block was thoughtful decision given the long tendentious edit warrings on Taekwondo. Unfortunately, such edit warring without full discussion happen once a week. So you gave all involved parties to have a cooling time to lower the heat. Anyway, keep up the good work.--Caspian blue (talk) 00:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Your Talk page needs archiving.

I don't know how to do it but I thought I'd just point out the obvious.--EchetusXe (talk) 19:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

QG and AGF

I have replied on my talk page. I do appreciate your concern and you were right - it was unwise of me to leave that "resolved" template. I just couldn't resist the temptation to be honest, so saying nothing would have been wiser, but being dishonest like QG is one thing I won't be. I see you are getting a taste of what others have endured for a long time. Deletions, refusal to answer legitimate questions (which is what I had mentioned on his talk page when this started, when I defended another user, and QG promptly deleted my comments), etc. Nothing new. If you were to run a RfCU you would be amazed and shocked. 'nuf said. -- Fyslee / talk 02:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I apologize

I'm sorry. I was just having fun because I was bored. Noble12345 (talk) 02:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Block of CRAWFORDLONGROX (talk · contribs)

Is there more to the story of this block? On the face of it, the user seems to be the typical "test editor" who even reverted him/herself. Unblock request on his/her talk page. - auburnpilot talk 02:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Same question from me. This would normally be a circumstance where a user gets a {{test1}} warning, not a block, let alone an indef block. Mangojuice 04:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

At the time I thought they were a sock of someone, but I went back and stared at the new account patterns for them and CRAWFORDLONGROX and they're not the same. I unblocked them and will comment on his/her talk page. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, that's kind of what I suspected. In the future, you might want to use sockpuppetry as the block reason in a case like this, it would make things clearer both to other admins and to the user. Mangojuice 13:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Melonbarmonster2 - edit warring - 3RR report

As the admin who previously blocked the above user for edit warring, I was hoping you could take a look at this 3RR report and take some action, decide no action is needed, or give a comment - either here, on the 3RR page, on the talk page of the article in question or on my talk page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Melonbarmonster2_reported_by_User:Sennen_goroshi_.28Result:_.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kimchi&action=history

thanks. Sennen goroshi (talk) 13:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Nuclear Weapon Design

George, can you check out how I handled today's revisions to the article? I wanted to do it quickly, and I don't know all the ins and outs of reversions. There is stuff about it on the talk page. Thanks. HowardMorland (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hitler's Pope

George, thank you for your very courteous posting to my talk page regarding the BLP issue on the Hitler's Pope article. Let me tell you my perspective and maybe you can let me know what if anything I ought to do. From my perspective, you have a book, Hitler's Pope, which ascribes evil motives to Pius XII with regard to the Holocaust. Then, after authors like Ronald Rychlak point out to him myriad factual errors, mistranslations, ommissions and misinterpretations in his book he says that he can no longer judge the pontiff's motives. If words have their plain meanings this is recanting or retraction. First he says bad motives then he says I can't judge his motives. This doesn't appear to need a source, it's a recantation or a retraction on its face, at the very least in part (a very significant part). I don't think its OR either because it does not require any interpretation at all. The BLP issue seems kind of weak to me, too. Cornwell's words are plainly and unequivocally a recantation or retraction - I can't imagine that he, himself, would even object to such a term. I merely characterized his words for what they were. And to show how reasonable that characterization is and the fact that I was acting in good faith, you can see that at least two books have made this same characterization: Righteous Gentiles at p. xiii and The Myth of Hitler’s Pope p. 138. Also, his words were characterized the same way numerous other publications: the New York Sun, the Washington Times, Frontpage Magazine, Human Events, Seattle Catholic, National Review, Homiletic and Pastoral Review and First Things. Some of the individuals who have called Cornwell's statement recanting or retraction include professor of history and polical science Rabbi David Dalin, UCLA Law Professor Steven Bainbridge, writer and law professor Ronald Rychlak, and philosopher Michael Novak. If I am mistaken about BLP and OR policies with regard to this matter, so be it, but I was acting in good faith. I don't think my position was unreasonable considering these other characterizations of Cornwell's statement. I will post this same message on the admin board. If you have any other advice or comments, I would appreciate it. Thanks.Mamalujo (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Another copyright image uploader

Here. Some of them are clear copy-vios. D.M.N. (talk) 18:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Definte copy-vio that the uploader uploaded yesterday. D.M.N. (talk) 09:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Completely Justifiable Edit Summary

This edit summary you made on the Sarah Palin article (" Conforming to 'standards' set by the Obama trolls on the great senator's page." ) was uncivil and inappropriate for Misplaced Pages.

Misplaced Pages is not the place to continue off-wiki disputes such as political arguments. We have a policy against soapboxing here. Please don't do that again, particularly not on high visibility articles. Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh what utter rubbish. I'm trying to stop the soapboxing, not contribute to it. That's exactly what they've been doing all day long - or didn't you see that?

The remark 'since 1988' is deliberately meant to slander her - suggest she's been married before. The change was 'm. 1988' exactly as used on the Obama page.

We've been fighting off these trolls for HOURS today - WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

And if you've somehow missed the fact the trolls have been attacking this page ALL DAY LONG - changing her photo to a Hulk Hogan collage, attempting to introduce 'MILF' sections, and so forth - then you need to get back on your prescription medicine before you hurt yourself.

Over and out.

FPAS RFC

As a participant in the recent discussion at WP:ANI, I thought you should be informed of the new RFC that another user has started regarding FPAS's behavior.

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Future Perfect at Sunrise

Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 16:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Joe Ossanna - UNIX development team member

According to self-written biography by Dennis Ritchie, the leader of the UNIX development group, and published by the authority, Bell Labs, Joe Ossanna is listed as a bona fide group member responsible for programming as well as proposal development and document management development. Not including Joe Ossanna as a member of the team is in conflict with evidence from the author, the team itself, Bell Labs, and extensive technical and academic support. The Misplaced Pages listing for Joe Ossanna is incomplete, insubstantial as a reference for his UNIX involvement, and is inadequate in it's referral for support from Misplaced Pages (Suggest that Misplaced Pages staff should refrain from using references to itself for support!!!)

INDEPENDENT CITATION: "From the point of view of the group that was to be most involved in the beginnings of Unix (K. Thompson, Ritchie, M. D. McIlroy, J. F. Ossanna), the decline and fall of Multics had a directly felt effect. We were among the last Bell Laboratories holdouts actually working on Multics, so we still felt some sort of stake in its success." (Ritchie, 1984)

Ritchie, D. (1984) http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/hist.html

462 web references for: ("K. Thompson, Ritchie, M. D. McIlroy, J. F. Ossanna")

Plus, many many other supporting documentation in paper and electronic form all STATE that Joe Ossanna was a member of the UNIX development team with Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, and Dog McIlroy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolfecat (talk • contribs) 14:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hong Kong Institute of Vocational Education

My apologies for my revert that reintroduced negative material. The edit is question my done by an anonymous user and removed a good deal of content without providing any explanation via his/her "edit summary." So naturally I assumed it was vandalism. My bad for not being more careful. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Carnatic music

• Carnatic music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The edit warrior is blocked, I guess protection may be unnecessary now. Guy (Help!) 10:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Your warning

this edit to Talk:Sarah Palin which removed User:Macshill's comment was teetering on the edge of inappropriate discussion removals.

I agree that the claims are fringeist. But deleting any mention on the talk page without allowing legitimate discussion about their legitimacy is highly suspect.

There's a fine line between keeping fringeists and nutcases from overrunning Misplaced Pages and stomping down on necessary and constructive discussion, including on what the line is between mainstream alternate theory and fringe. This is a particularly sensitive subject and time - so the article needs extra care. But the talk page doesn't necessarily need that.

Please don't do that again. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 11:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I was following the belief that calling for discussion of the fringe theory that flying while pregnant was endangering her child was trying to use the talk page as a discussion of the subject of the article, not a discussion of how to improve the article. Article talk pages are not to be used to discuss the subject, but rather to discuss collaboration. I stand behind my removal. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I concur - discussing if there are reliable sources commenting upon the rumour is one thing, requesting discussion of the rumour is another. I note that the editor had previously attempted to "place" this discussion on the article talkpage and was rebuffed, and if isn't trolling is certainly not paying attention to the last responses to the pursuit of the rumour. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Giano

Can I point you to the comments here. Please address them promptly. Sam Korn 13:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Didn't see this, but because you stated you had gone to bed I have reversed the block in line with the consensus that it was a mistake. Viridae 13:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

No, you were incorrect in your asumption, the block was not contraversial at all, it was a unanimous decision to unblock. In fact, it has made you appear very foolish. I sincerely hope you are de-sysoped as an example to those other Admins who feel that not showing due deference to bad Admims is a reason to block. It is not. In my opinion, you are an awful Admin with more than questionable judgement. Giano (talk) 17:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd be curious to know what specific diff triggered the block. I couldn't figure it out from the lengthy verbiage. I'd like to get some sense of who's more in the right on this (the majority could be wrong, ya know). Baseball Bugs 20:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

ZOMG

WP:RFAR, heading your way. Apparently I have to notify you. Moreschi (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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Carnatic Music

I appreciate your appropriate timely warnings. I might have gone little over board in frustration to stop deletions in bad faith by Ncmvocalist who has repeatedly demonstrated ownership on the article. The reason I deleted or reverted without discussion was since Ncmvocalist was fully aware of discussions that originally led to the inclusion of the section Ugabhoga. To the best of my knowledge he was the only editor who had opposed its inclusion. At least 3 were involved in writing the section. Against guidelines he deleted the section before initiating RFC. In addition he approached you to lift the edit protection that would have helped the situation for a while. Naadapriya (talk) 16:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI- Copy of comment sent to LessHeard vanU

Ncmvocalist requested to block at 09:52, 1 September 2008 and blocking took place at 10:30, 1 September 2008 i.e just within 38 minutes. It was acknowledged that the comment I had placed to justify was not read. Given the complexity of situation I guess it would have required more than 38 minutes to make such big decision on blocking. My action before I was blocked was a normal edit to bring back a section that was deleted by Ncmvocalist in bad faith before initiating a RFC. All my other edits were to modify sections based some recent comments in RFC regarding quotes from RS.

I strongly consider my blocking is a result of unfortunate misleading information posted by Ncmvocalist. He has tried it several times in the past without success. In such failed attempts once I guess he himself got blocked. Somehow he succeeded this time. At this stage nothing I can do about my blocking. However, I would like to request Admns to make wikipedia allowed provision to bring back the section that Ncmvocalist has deleted before starting the RFC. It will bring back the article to a status at which Georgewilliamherbert wanted to edit protect for a while. Deleting valid NPOV section without discussion that too just before RFC is ignoring NPOV effort in good faith by many editors to include the section.

Section can be modified based on RFC conclusions.

Naadapriya (talk) 06:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

No subject

Yea, I WAS TRYING TO STOP ANOTHER ARGUMENT LIKE THE SECTION ABOVE IT! LOOK AT IT NOW! I WAS RIGHT! HPJoker 00:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

The Royce Mathew Issue

I'll just put in a repost ;)

An IP of the previous user Disneysuit, none other than Royce Mathew. He has been giving legal threats (he has surely sent one to Wikimedia Foundation) against me for asking him to abide by policies, concocting false claims against me. He has been blocked, several times, but he won't stop. I don't want to lose my position at Misplaced Pages as an experienced editor; the only reason this is happening is because he is not willing to accept that he isn't following policies! A little help would be greatly appreciated. The link I gave you for "Royce Mathew" above has the IP address he is using. Here is what he has written, and what he will probably send to Wikimedia Foundation against me: . It has been deleted, but I'm not sure if he got the link the following commenter gave him against me. I don't mind a checking of my contributions, but I do not like it when someone is willing to take something so far as a legal threat and my possible blocking when all I've done is try to enforce the rules with both myself and others so as to make Misplaced Pages a better place! It has been weeks of harassment, and I should like to point out that I am a minor. Therefore, firstly, it is against the law. Secondly, it is against Misplaced Pages policy, and thirdly, it is just unfair. BlackPearl1423:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

And I forgot to say, thank you so much for all your help! You and LessHeard are being very supportive. This guy is really just being rude. (I would do the ~~~~ tildes but my signature isn't working right now). BlackPearl1423:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

policies

First, the most important thing: as soon as more than one person registered opposition to my actions, I ceased and desisted from them. Moreover, I have stated that I will not act in that manner unless and until there has been adequate discussion by the community. In the meantime, I will defer to the judgement of the community even though it goes against my better judgment. I hope I have been sufficiently clear.

There is a second matter, which has to do with specific comments you made on my talk page. Tango faulted me, because according to him/her policy is descriptive and not prescriptive . Now you fault me because policy is prescriptive and not descriptive . I point out this contradiction between two people explaining their disagreement with my actions not to justify what I did nor to fault anyone else. But I do think that this inconsistency reveals that there is a huge greay area of unclarity and a need for a lot more discussion.

A final note, if it was not clear. I never claimed that creating new user pages violated any specific policy in any explicit way, I just said I consider it nonsensical creation of new pages that will have no effect and are not appropriate ways of dealing with the problem (yes, I know lots of people do not agree. But none of them have been able to point to a specific policy that requires creating new pages. And I never accused anyone of violating a specific policy. i did not bring policy into it, I just said I thought it was a bad idea).

The only times I mentioned policy were these: (1) when I explained to one user that my 15 minute block of an editor was to stop him/her temporarily from engaging in what I thought was disruptive behavior, and to call his/her attention to the message I left on his/her talk page so s/he could respond. Some people find it egregious that I would block a user for 15 minutes but I take very seriously our policy - whether descriptive or proscritive - that blocks are not punitive but meant to be part of some process of conflict resolution or reconciliation. (2) when one editor declared that WP policy demands that vandals be warned before being blocked; I quoted the policy that states that a warning is not required and exlained that in my view a random anonymous user working from a shared computer making only silly or obscene edits does not need to be warned. I do not see how it matters whether policy is prescriptive or descriptive in this matter.

i hope you do not think i am being defensive or argumentative. If so please just reread my first comment -I am very sincere about what I wrote. Slrubenstein | Talk 03:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Block on User:Thewikiqediarollbacker

Re your message: You asked, I replied. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 09:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

re Kaihsu (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) reported to ANI

Would you mind if you changed the header to use the {{admin|Kaihsu}} template as above for quicker review. I will use this page to take a look at the rights, and logs. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Why

Why is that only I get accused for the actions that i had not done. Here I am the one who is being deliberately accused, ridiculed. What have I done. Tried to explain that the Arjun page is vandalized. Anyway thanks a lot for that.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 08:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Clean Coal

Hi George,

Could you please take a look at the clean coal technology page? It is heavily biased in POV, and I can see that this is going to become an issue as my edits (to restore neutral POV) have already been reverted several times. Please look at the main page and the discussion page.

I think that Misplaced Pages needs to figure out a better way of blocking abusive edits/editors. In this case, it seems as though a few very biased editors (with one primary editor), are basically reverting any page edits (from any authors) which restore a neutral POV. Rather than work to consensus language, many of them just revert first and then expect everyone to bring it to the discussion page (where they think it will just die).

Anyway, the discussion page covers some of this, and you can also look at the history.CrimsonSage (talk) 16:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Death threat by IP

Hi,

Per the ANI thread Contact has been made and maintained with the educaiton institution, they are co-operating fully and are being reasonably transparent. Thanks for giving me insight into motive as im sure they will ask. Hopefully we can sort this WP:TROLL / WP:DICK out for you. Any other threats, insults or related IP's would be useful.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 00:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

There have been related incidents on-wiki here (look back at IP edits to my talk page here since early August), on Commons and Meta, on Wikia Traveller and Pirates wikis on my user talk pages ( )

IPs involved recently have included 68.199.133.47, 72.72.31.99. It's likely that this involves the Wikzilla (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log · rfcu) sockpuppeteer - Harrassment started once I rangeblocked a bunch of IP ranges in NYC related to this guy. There's another kook out there who's threatened me (related to the Naius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) blocks) but they're west coast, I think. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You really are out of control Georgie. Other than calling you what you are ugly (pictures don't lie), arrogant, and arbitrary, you have never been threatened, only harassed (deservedly) by Wikzilla. I mean any moron who goes ahead and range blocks several million people really cannot be all that smart. Go ahead, range block again. Do you really think you stopped her the first time? All you did was piss off thousands of potential contributors.162.84.182.50 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC).

Block this one too George.70.18.10.198 (talk) 17:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about George, but I always get upset when I get verbal shots from nobodies. Baseball Bugs 19:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Civility

Hi there. I recently quoted you at Misplaced Pages talk:Civility#Discussion of civility at recent Request for Arbitration. Would you have time to check that I haven't misrepresented what you said? There are several other threads on that talk page that you might be interested in as well, and a proposal to rewrite the policy. For the whole recent story, read downwards from Misplaced Pages talk:Civility#A Big Question: Does this page make sense?. This will need to be advertised more widely to get more balanced input, but for now I'm notifying those I quoted from the RfArb, and a few other editors who have either written essays on this, or have been active on the talk page recently. Apologies if you had this watchlisted anyway. Carcharoth (talk) 06:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Easynet

Ah, I see what happened. On the block date (August 18), I made a report to the village pump about malfunctioning open proxy blocks (link). I saw cases where IPs edited despite a rangeblock; for example, 208.109.19.19 (talk · contribs) edited despite 208.109.0.0/16 showing no unblocks. I wanted to be sure there were no other malfunctioning rangeblocks and the only way I could do this was to block the range again. So, I went through User:Spellcast/proxies and tried blocking the ranges for the same duration the previous admin did. (There were five other unworking blocks including Easynet's 82.110.0.0/16)., , , , Unfortunately, I assumed the previous admin blocked on the basis that the range was a hosting service, not an ISP. I didn't intend to block an ISP as an open proxy source—only hosting services—and it turns out Easynet is both.

Unless a hosting company is also an ISP (it usually isn't), no-one should be able to use their IPs to edit unless it's from an exploited or misconfigured server (hence Template:OpenProxyBlock). It's not unusual for large hosting ranges to host many open proxies. As for the other blocks, when I see an unblocked web anonymizer, I gets its range from whois and use this gadget to examine all IPs that edited. If you look at the contribs of many of the ranges in that subpage, a large proportion were blocked directly as open proxies. For the ones that weren't, you can tell they were open at the time of editing because of things like spamming, vandalism, harassment, and block evasion by sockpuppets. Spellcast (talk) 06:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

hi.

where you the guy who send a message about the nuclear editing,the pakistan nuclear does not have ~60 nuclear wepons,its got 200-250 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviljin60 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Mediation request for NZ inclusion on GDS' article

In order to solve the revert war on GDS article over the inclusion of the banning from New Zealand, I have opened a request for formal mediation at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Giovanni Di Stefano. Please participate on the discussion. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you issue instant warnings

On what basis are those warnings issued. Did you check the talk page of Jauerback or you just believed his version in my talk page and issued the warning. Is that not necessary to check, and understand whether any word used is a personal attack or not before issuing any warning. I seek an apology from you and want the warning in my talk page reverted. This kind of instant warning by an Admin without any reason is unacceptable. Chanakyathegreat (talk) 02:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

look im not a terorist.im a 10 year old kid.i just made an acount to change the nuclear page thing.I made it because i dont feel as if pakistan has 50 nukes.And im form pakistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviljin60 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

VS and GP warnings

Please see my response at ANI and on VS's talk page. I think you have not checked the history of Gene Poole's talk page. If so you would have found warnings that had been reverted by Gene Poole such as this one Regards --Matilda 05:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed Retirement of Baseball Bugs

George, regarding my proposed retirement, I am still wrestling with the agonizing decision pertaining to my possible retirement. I recently had a session with my priest about it. I will let you know when my decision is final. Do you have any advice or suggestions in this regard? (Note that these comments were first posted on Monday, September 22nd, but were instantly obliterated by some wiseguy!) I notified Wknight94, Ebyabe, and No Guru about my possible retirement. I am also trying to figure out what research projects and articles to concentrateon prior to retirement. If you have any useful suggestions, please let me know. Happy holidays to your Jewish friends. I hope that we all meet someday in Heaven. Sincerely, Baseball Bugs (nee Wahkeenah) --Baseball BugsX (talk) 22:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The above is another User:Ron liebman sock, at least the second one today. Baseball Bugs 22:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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I'll give you credit for trying. Thanks, Grsz 20:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding NEC ExpressCluster article

Hi George, I just saw that you moved the link of NEC ExpressCluster on high-availability cluster page from "common clusters" to "other clusters" section. You wrote in your edit comment that ExpressCluster do not hold a significant market share, but its not true. May I kindly inform you that ExpressCluster is a leading enterprise software in Japanese HA market and is positioned in top 10 worldwide. In case you need the evidence for these claims, kindly feel free to contact me on my personal id - reo_7th@hotmail.co.jp , I will be glad to provide the required documents. May I kindly request you to move the link to "common cluster" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gauravd05 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding MAPM's use of an OTRS ticket for his uploads

Hi George, I noticed you have marked several images uploaded by MAPM for what I assume is a fraudulent piggybacking on a OTRS ticket submitted by Sagredo (of Image:Jennifer Hudson.png. However, I think you have missed out Image:Millyquezada.jpeg and Image:Karempageant.jpeg also uploaded by MAPM. My apologies if they are truly covered by the ticket. Jappalang (talk) 05:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI threads

When opening an ANI thread on an user, you should warn the user of the existence of the thread on their talk page. I already left a notice to Ramu50. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding NEC ExpressCluster Link- Common Cluster

Hi George,

I appericiate and understand that ExpressCluster is certainly not a leading product in the US. But having said that I would like you inform you again that ExpressCluster (Sold as ClusterPRO in Japan please refer to http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0310/1401.html#chu1 for confirmation) has considerable market share in Japan. Please refer to http://www.nec.co.jp/press/ja/0802/0101.html (unfortunately its in Japanese.. You may have to use google translate).

To address your specific concern about US presense, I would also like to inform you that ExpressCluster has also won the prestegious CeBit award as early as 2004. Please refer to http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-389457/Best-of-CeBIT-America-Award.html for confirmation.

I have more information/documents to support my claim by leading and trusted analyst firms but due to confidentiality issues I cannot mention it publically. I shall be more that happy to share the documents via email. You can reach me at reo_7th@hotmail.co.jp .

Looking forward to your response

Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.32.8.230 (talk) 10:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Navy destroyer, U.S.S. Eldridge

    Hi George,
             My name is Stephen, i live in tamwroth 

just outside of birmingham. i have recently found out about this turly great story. about this ship being charged by an electronicaly charged magnet, which in-turn made it dissapear and then land'd in a totaly differnt place in the world. now this story sounds mad, however, to be frank, sounds to weird to be true, but insane enough for the U.S millitary to try such a thing in such desprate time during the war. if you are willing to talk with me about the story i will be checking my e-mail most wednesday and friday nights,

my e-mail address is ste_770@hotmail.com i look foward 

to hearing from you soon.

        Thank you for your time in taken to read this.
     Stephen George Palmer, 19, Tamworth  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.159.194 (talk) 21:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding NEC ExpressCluster Link

Hi George,

I droped a message on your talk page yesterday. I wasn not logged in at that time, so you might not be able to track who posted that message. I am again posting the same message, so that you can reply back on my talk page. I appologies for repeated post.

I appericiate your earlier response on my talk page. I understand that ExpressCluster is certainly not a leading product in the US. But having said that I would like you inform you again that ExpressCluster (Sold as ClusterPRO in Japan please refer to http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0310/1401.html#chu1 for confirmation) has considerable market share in Japan. Please refer to http://www.nec.co.jp/press/ja/0802/0101.html (unfortunately its in Japanese.. You may have to use google translate).

To address your specific concern about US presense, I would also like to inform you that ExpressCluster has also won the prestegious CeBit award as early as 2004. Please refer to http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-389457/Best-of-CeBIT-America-Award.html for confirmation.

Just for your reference, following is the link to ClusterPro (ExpressCluster) page on Japanese Misplaced Pages, kindly translate it to english using any online translation tool. Link - http://ja.wikipedia.org/CLUSTERPRO

I have more information/documents to support my claim by leading and trusted analyst firms but due to confidentiality issues I cannot mention it publically. I shall be more that happy to share the documents via email. You can reach me at reo_7th@hotmail.co.jp .

Looking forward to your response

Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gauravd05 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know it was their comment.

It's taking me about two minutes to do anything here; no harm, no foul. HalfShadow 02:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep. No harm, no foul. Have a better one... Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding NEC ExpressCluster Link

Hi George,

I hope you are doing good. Can you kindly respond to my earlier post on your talk page. I provided you some reliable links to let you know about the market position of ExpressCluster. Can you kindly proide me your viewpoint on the same. Do you think now that we can move the ExpressCluster link on High-availability cluster page from "Other clusters" section to "Common clusters" section.

Looking forward to your response on my talk page. --Gauravd05 (talk) 04:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The information you presented is marketing information, not technical comparisons by independent reviewers or independent or audited sales or installation count numbers. Again - please provide some reliable information which verifies the popularity of this product. Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Catching Up

Hi George,

I trust you havnt recieved any more threats? If you have please let me know. Nice rapsheet by the way ;)   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 23:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Incivility

Show me my incivility.

This has all been one giant snowball, built up from a misunderstanding.Gabr-el 22:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

And I have already addressed a separate issue with LOTR, and issued an apology to him. Gabr-el 22:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Edits 1,,5,7 and 8 was a little too far on my part, but if someone is going to accuse me, they should look at all the evidence rather than anger other users.

Edits 2 and 4 have already been accounted for at the notice board

Edits 3 is an angrier version of edits 2 and 4, in response to User:AramaenSyriac's persistent reverting. I apologize for the tone here

Edits 6 - I called the editors there fools, The Triz and User:Aramaen Syriac. Apologies for that. As for the rest of the matter, it was more of a debate about the Assyrian People.

Gabr-el 22:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I replied on the notice board. Gabr-el 06:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 23:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

K5 pistol

If you go to S&T Daewoo, or watch ADD documentary "한국무기 개발사", there is "zero" comment on DP51 but K5. South Korea launched K5 program due to necessity of replacing old M1911A1. I can't find good references now, but "civilian version of K5" or "exported version of K5" is called DP51.

Is your reference from Janes? That book has bunch of wrong informations for Korean arms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kadrun (talk • contribs) 00:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Irpen

Exactly what are you referring to here? I do not see any personal attacks in Irpen's posts of the past 24 hours; in fact, the majority of them have been on an RFAR, which has clerks and arbitrators crawling all over it, supposedly to keep things civil. Please provide diff(s) on his page, identifying exactly what edit(s) you find concerning, and explaining your reasoning. Thanks. Risker (talk) 01:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The WP:ANI thread: WP:ANI#Request for intervention. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

So, better than a day later, and with dozens of other admins having viewed that thread as a tempest in a teapot, you warned one of the number of editors involved in it? Seems disproportionate and untimely to me. Risker (talk) 02:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Your puzzling message

I waited after your post before taking this up with you for two reasons. First, your post at my talk seemed to me very inappropriate and I avoid taking any actions when I am annoyed to avoid saying things that would escalate the problems. Secondly, I noticed that you seemed to have gone off-line and figured that you might come back to me with more conciliatory tone or questions (if you have any) when you are back. But since you seem to have moved on to other issues leaving me without either an explanation or an apology, I would like to try to clear this up between us.

Please explain how and what is supposed to be an attack in my post and especially "harassment". I have read WP:CIVIL several times, and I do not see what you are talking about, especially in terms of making a threat to block. I can tell that you are quite angry, but I cannot tell anything else from what you've said. --Irpen 03:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Please review your own conduct in WP:ANI#Request for intervention as I noted in the subsection immediately above.

You jumped into the middle of a dispute on a particular point in which you were not involved and had not been named, and accused Piotrus of stalking you and violating WP:BATTLE. Two other admins reviewing the situation agreed that you had improperly and inaccurately made those accusations, and you have not apologized or withdrawn the claims.

If you feel that this was acceptable conduct or in line with WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL then you are wrong.

This was only the latest in a long string of incidents related to the Arbcom case and its underlying disputes. You and others have been pushing too far past the bounds of reasonable civil discourse. It's not ok. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Who are these two other admins, and where are their posts? The only admin I see commenting about anyone's behaviour is Moreschi, and he does not include Irpen in his comments. Risker (talk) 04:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I sit corrected - they're not admins. But the people I was referring to are Digiwuren and Folantin. Again - see the ANI thread. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 05:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm not an admin. I merely pointed out that, given the chronology, Irpen's statement "Piotrus, I sort of wondered who will pop up here immediately after my post. I guessed right" (implying Piotrus was stalking him) had no factual basis. I presume Irpen made this mistake because he was unaware that Piotrus had already filed a complaint about the defamation on the Arbitration Enforcement board at 17.36 UTC , i.e. almost two and a half hours before Irpen took any part in the ANI thread. At 20.06 UTC Admin Tznkai specifically told Piotrus to "take up the issue at the appropriate ANI thread", which he did at 20.34 UTC. Piotrus was merely following admin instructions in the pursuit of his complaint (one I regard as perfectly valid). --Folantin (talk) 11:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Folantin. You did nothing wrong by pointing to what you knew and I seemed to have missed. Your post was totally appropriate and I don't have a problem with it.

Georgewilliamherbert, could you please answer my question yourself instead of passing the buck? You have to explain your own actions and threats clearly. In you message at my talk page you bluntly accused me of making "personal attacks" and "abusing and harassing other editors" to the extent that you resorted to block threats. When asked, you repeatedly refused to elaborate but referred to others (wrongly as we see above.) I repeat my request that you be more specific. Blocks are a very serious matter. Block threats and accusations of harassment is not something to be spread around without reason or explanation, especially in view of your having a persistent problem with rash admin actions on which community already spoke. Vague threats are not acceptable admin conduct. Not so long ago you were called to order already for things like blocking for imaginary provocations and unwilling to apologize, even after the RfAr started. So, one more time, please explain yourself clearly. --Irpen 19:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting for an answer. --Irpen 00:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I listed the specific page and topic thread that you edited abusively in above, some days ago. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

In what way were my edits "abusive"? You came to me with block threats and you must be able to elaborate when asked. --Irpen 22:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The specific problems I had are listed above. Please re-read above and review the archived ANI section if you have any questions. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 22:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I reread it first thing and now did it again. I see no personal attacks. If you see them, please elaborate. --Irpen 22:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

You overtly accused Piotrus of bad faith, wikistalking, and violations of WP:BATTLE . You failed all of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. Again - This is not even vaguely Ok behavior, and if you think it was, you're out of line. Don't do it again. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, NPA, CIV and AGF. Let's go from there. I am glad that you do not repeat the accusation of "HARASSMENT" that you originally included too in your list of offenses . So, I take it as withdrawal on your end (please correct me if I am wrong.) As for the others, perhaps you need to reread yourself the policies you cite especially if you resort to block threats. You should start with WP:BLOCK and then proceed to AGF, CIV and NPA because wherever you invoke any of the latter three (or any other policy), you should always be specific when you are threatening people with blocks for their alleged violations.

Now, since you again answer only vaguely and avoid specifics, I will lay it out for you myself. Perhaps, it would help us both understand each other better. The course of events was as follows (if you disagree with the outline below, please point specifically to any discrepancy.)

• Kuban kazak was accused of stalking by Hillock
• In his response Kuban kazak defied the accusations and cited Piotrus as a counterexample, saying that "Unlike Piotrus, I don't..."

This (invoking Piotrus out of the blue) was, in my opinion, a completely unnecessary escalation of conflict by Kuban (regardless on whether this is true) but Piotrus did his best to escalate this further.

• He did not even try to contact an editor asking him to withdraw or clarify. He immediately ran blockshopping to AE
• Having been rebuffed there he ran to ANI and invoked an extremely strong accusation of no less than SLANDER .

Now, despite Kuban was wrong to invoke Piotrus in the thread to which Piotrus had no relation, Piotrus' resorting to unjustifiably strong terms (there is a difference between something being simply out of place and something qualifying as SLANDER) was clearly uncalled for, especially since the accusation of SLANDER was completely unjustified. Seeing this I posted this comment that said two things.

1. Bringing in the name of Piotrus, who has not related to the said conflict, was unhelpful on behalf of Kuban. I explained that "bringing up any names here was not useful"
2. The other thing I said was that despite Piotrus' is simply out of place in that discussion and Kuban has no reason to invoke him, Piotrus' further escalation by invoking a completely uncalled for accusation of SLANDER was uncalled for either. I also cited this link to avoid any ambiguities.

Now, once again, where are "personal attacks", "assumptions" of anything and block-worthy "incivility" in my post? --Irpen 03:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but:

1. My talk page is not the right place to re-argue the whole history of those events, and
2. You are still wilfully ignoring your own actions on that ANI thread, which I have cited several times.

As you stopped the problem behavior there was no need for further warning or discussion, and as you noticed I had not further warned you. However, you are now coming to my talk page and apparently attempting to re-start a fight, now with me.

This behavior is bizarre and pointless. Stop trying to pick a fight with me or draw me into your other fight. Starting another abuse incident complaining about your being warned in a prior one is not sensible or sane.

I named the specific behavior which I warned you over, as requested. Feel free to seek uninvolved third party review of that behavior if you reject my assertion that it was abusive. But I strongly suspect that you will find that others also feel it was abusive and policy violating.

I don't want to argue with you any more - all you're doing is working yourself up and getting less reasonable in this discussion. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 04:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• I dare say, you don't want to argue any more, but if an Admin threatens to block, he should be prepared to explain himself rather than be evasive, as you have been. It seems to me that you have been exceedingly uncivil to Irpen - ordering him to "go away" is quite frankly not good enough. If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is and block him for whatever offence you feel he has committed, then at least keep that mouth polite when you realise the errors of your ways, even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it. Especially, as you have no hesitation in reprimanding Irpen for "incivility." You have a history of bad blocks, perhaps it is time you handed in your tools, or if you feel them too important to you, then at least learnt to behave in a more prudent fashion. Giano (talk) 16:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Giano, I listed the specific issues above repeatedly on request. Irpen has gone beyond reasonable inquiry into the nature of the problem into repetitive pointless badgering. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

That's incredible, GWH. You rudely intrude into my talk with threats to block on bogus allegations; you are told by many editors that you are out of line and still persist with this nonsense and add insult to an injury by your patronizing and selfirigteous attitude. Taking into account your own history of poor judgment when it goes to blocks and having narrowly avoided the ArbCom for rash blocks recently this is indeed alarming. I can see that you are among those people for whom it is hard to admit to mistakes and I am not going to make your attitude change my prime concern. But hopefully, even without having a bone to publicly admit your being wrong you got the message and will avoid unwarranted threats and arrogant attitude to the editors who showed the commitment and dedication to this project of no less than yourself. Having extra buttons does not give you any right to treat editors that way. Hopefully, we won't have to go through this again in the future. Happy edits. --Irpen 19:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Bren Ten Trivia

George, you should be aware, trivia inclusion is a slippery slope for the fanboi crowds that lurk, waiting to pounce and flood our pages with popular culture references. I wouldn't say it's more notable than the P90 on StarGate.. Koalorka (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Election

Hi. This is your friend Ken (Baseball Bugs). I just want to set the record straight regarding the Presidential Election, which is only 2 days away. I am not a reactionary Republican or a bigot. I am voting for Barach Obama (originally posted on my talk page on 10/27/2008). In fact, I am a moderate progressive Democrat. With the World Series over (finally!), I will re-visit my proposed retirement plans after the Presidential Election. Cordially yours, Baseball Bugs (a/k/a Ken and Wahkeenah). Note that this is not a sockpuppet entry. (This item was restored to the internet on 11/2/2008 courtesy of Diane King) (UTC) --Diane King (talk) 20:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Rtally sockpuppet evading block

You should take a look at Rtally4 (talk · contribs), another sockpuppet created by rtally3 to evade the block you imposed for creating sockpuppets and using them to edit war and to forge phony consensus. I warned Rtally4 (2nd paragraph of edit) that continuing to post while blocked was inappropriate, and yet he continues to post. csloat (talk) 19:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Rtally3 may have another sock

I hate to keep telling on this guy but it is getting ridiculous -- another single purpose account apparently created only to edit war on the William Timmons page -- Kianclla (talk · contribs). csloat (talk) 21:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

And now he appears to be using another anonymous IP (one that has been used for vandalism in the past) -- 158.59.27.249 (talk · contribs). It might help to have partial protection on the William Timmons page so that only registered users may edit it. csloat (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

And yet another one, edit warring on the same article, also from the DC metro area. Can you please do something about this or should I go back to AN/I? 69.137.227.167 (talk · contribs) is the problem account this time. It would really help to semi-protect the page; I will ask for that on RPP. Thanks. csloat (talk) 00:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to add, it is pretty clear that this IP address is Rtally3; earlier he posted from this ip address and then logged in as Rtally3 to sign a post: this diff of Rtally3 signing the post by 69.137.227.167 confirms that he is continuing to violate the rules, edit warring on the page using anon ip sockpuppets. I think the block should probably be extended, the Kiancilla sockpuppet account blocked, and I've asked on RPP for partial page protection for that page. Thanks. csloat (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)