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Picture templates

Hi,

Following the discussion at the Village Pump about picture templates, I am just making sure that everybody there knows that there is a proposal to deprecate and remove images that say 'this is not an image please add one'. Feel free to vote. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 15:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Darkspots (talk) 16:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I see we have both been noticed back-to-back for the picture-template discussion. What are we to do now? Bilodeauzx (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Bilodeauzx, I think you and I are pretty much in agreement on this one. In any case, I left a recommendation to delete the placeholders from existing articles at the discussion that Lightmouse linked to above, but I think no consensus has emerged yet. Darkspots (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see we've met before. Darkspots (talk) 07:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Reference Desk Barnstar
		Thank you for answering my IQ question on the Reference Desk! --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 06:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Darkspots (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

My Deleated Article

I am curious on why I had my Article on Waffle Ass Deleated. I think this is a complete waste. Waffle Ass is a real thing that has happened in my life and I am putting it on Wiki for everyone to learn about. I find it quite the double standard that someone can post an Article on Anal Sex but I can't post something about Waffle Ass. I am not even sure if this is the right way to dispute this but I am working on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardoc8401 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, this is a fine way to begin disputing it, but you really need to talk to the deleting admin, Lectonar (talk · contribs). Essentially, though, the article fails our core standard of verifiability. There are no secondary sources, like newspaper articles, that document the use of the term. We don't have articles on neologisms unless we can prove that they're getting used in a certain way, that they have cultural notability. Now if you google "waffle ass" you get some hits, 929 for the exact term, but there isn't any agreement on what waffle ass is, and the sources are not what we consider to be reliable sources. Blogs aren't generally considered to be reliable. But that google search indicated that "waffle ass" refers to the marks on your ass when you sit on a chair too long, or perhaps a BDSM term, but nothing to do with chain link fences. Hope that helps. Darkspots (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok so I am to understand that there is nothing verifying Waffle Ass as you google it but you are telling me that Donkey Punch is verifiable. It is becoming more apperant to me that this "open Forum" to put stuff on Misplaced Pages is really not open at all. It would seem that it is what ever the Mediator/Administrator feels is real/fake. And for Waffle Ass not being what I stated it is. Should you go to Urban Dictionary you will find Waffle Ass in there and it should say something like what I put down in Misplaced Pages, Again, not to beat a dead horse, just like Donkey Punch. I guess what I am saying is just because it doesn't seem real or it sounds outlandish doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

No, I'm not telling you Donkey punch is verifiable; I haven't looked at the article. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And Urban Dictionary is not remotely reliable; I just sent in a new definition of "waffle ass" that I made up on the spot. There's some sort of review process, so it hasn't been posted yet, but they don't require sources of any kind to submit a definition. And Misplaced Pages has never described itself as an "open forum". It wouldn't be in the top ten websites in the world if it were. Lastly, we're not saying "waffle ass" is a real term, and we're not saying it's a fake term. We're saying it's unverifiable, which has a specific meaning for us. Darkspots (talk) 10:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

So Donkey punch Isn't verifiable but still exists. I found that on Urban dictionary along with Cleveland steamer and Dirty Sanchez. Both exist on Misplaced Pages. As for being an open forum, I guess it is safe to say that Misplaced Pages isn't an open forum persay but is loosely based on an open forum as by definiton (A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program). Basically all I am saying is if you are going to have such sexual acts as the three formentioned then why ban a new one.

I'm not sure if you understand. I finally had a look at Donkey punch after your last message. Totally verifiable. Look at the references! San Francisco Chronicle. San Francisco Bay Guardian. Dan Savage, twice. Urban Dictionary isn't used as a reference in the article, of course, because it's not a reliable source. Show that "waffle ass" is used in mainstream newspapers like that, and I'll help you write the article. But don't point me at Urban Dictionary, I added my own definition of "waffle ass" to that website, and I made it up on the spot.

Look, Misplaced Pages isn't a forum of any kind. Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not. So please stop trying to tell me that the guidelines of a forum have anything to do with the encyclopedia. We are also, as you can read in that policy, not censored. If you can show cultural notability for your term like "Donkey punch" has, it's in the encyclopedia. But I don't think "waffle ass" has any cultural notability. Sorry. Darkspots (talk) 00:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I do understand, I also understand that you are doing all this without the appropriate foot work to back up your claims. If you read this reference you talk about (The first one) it talks about being in a debate with Wiki..... Well how about you read it. I copied and attached it here (I'm working with Misplaced Pages, where we're currently debating the "Donkey Punch." It may not be real, but Misplaced Pages has articles on perpetual motion, sewer alligators, and creationism—why not Donkey Punching? The difference, though, is that the Donkey Punch (fucking someone in the ass and then punching them hard in the back of the head or neck, so that the sudden pain and/or unconsciousness causes the asshole to constrict spasmodically) is short-term dangerous. Therefore, some editors have said the article should specify just how risky and possibly even criminal it is.)

So it is clear to me that it sounds like I can reference this debate that yourself and I are having as a reference. Also I noticed that you didn't touch on Cleveland Steamer or Dirty Sanchez, I can only assume that silence is consent in them being exactly like Waffle Ass. To answer your question, I actually have a lot of references. I will be honest, I have not seen this posted in any paper because I along with my crew were the first ones to find/experience this so again, if I post this in a paper or something like that then it is verifiable right?

I also just looked at your Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not. And in there it doesn't say anything about it not being a Forum. I agree with you that it isn't your traditional forum, but regardless it is like a forum. A place for people to come and express ideas (As long as it is verifiable). And that is possible for any one to do. I know that if I have a certain idea or fact about an article then I can get in there and post changes. Now I am sensing that this Forum comment makes you angry and the fact of the matter is I am not here to argue if it is a forum or not. I am here to point out the fact that Waffle Ass deserves it's place in Misplaced Pages just like the other three aforementioned sexual acts. I also want to thank you because you are the only one that is talking to me about this. Lectonar (talk · contribs) has not answered my question on why he felt that Waffle Ass doesn't belong but the other ones do. So again I close with, put up Waffle Ass again and I will post all the reference that you need, Including this discussion.

I wrote a long response to this and then accidentally deleted it. High points: WP:NOR says Misplaced Pages articles should rely mainly on published reliable secondary sources. Your article was deleted because it is not based on published reliable secondary sources, like a newspaper or magazine. See also Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. The part of Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not that is relevant is the "soapbox" section—that covers the "A place for people to come and express ideas" that you're talking about; we don't express "ideas", we publish "verifiable facts". Finally, Dirty Sanchez and Donkey Punch had wide cultural notability beyond a small group. Comedians made jokes about them, bands were named after them, they are fantasy sexual acts that a lot of people are aware of because of the culture. No television comedian is making jokes about fucking people through a chain link fence and leaving a waffle-like impression on their ass, because you and your crew invented the term, as you said. Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day. Darkspots (talk) 10:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok so because you have heard someone reference Donkey punch as a joke or Dirty Sanchez than it is ok. If that is the case then I can tell you right now out front that Waffle Ass is utterly and 100 percent verifiable. I have personally heard it referenced by 4 comedians exactly as I stated it (A guy having intercourse with a female through a fence) I didn't not add these references because it wasn't written. So it sounds to me like it is ok. Also, I understand that for you Waffle Ass may not have any cultural notability beyond a small group but that doesn't mean that it does, in fact not have wide cultural notability. To be honest, it sounds like because you or Lectonar have not heard about this then it isn't possible for it to even exist. Also, lets not get confused, neither I nor "my crew" invented or coined the term waffle ass as it pertains to the conversation at hand. I first heard about it a couple of months ago and to be honest, it changed my life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardoc8401 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

←That directly contradicts your earlier statement: I will be honest, I have not seen this posted in any paper because I along with my crew were the first ones to find/experience this. You're acting like I said "your crew" in a condescending way when you used the phrase yourself to describe the people with whom you invented the phrase "Waffle ass", and I just mirrored your usage. You're also wildly misinterpreting my attempts to explain notability to you to try to shoehorn the term you invented into Misplaced Pages. So I'm done. Please go read Misplaced Pages:Why was my page deleted? or just take this to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. Darkspots (talk) 07:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, I see where the confusion is. What I ment was me and my crew were the first ones meaning out of the people I know. I can see how this was confused. Again I can not stress enough that I didn't invent Waffle Ass. It is true, it has happened in the past and I am sure some time in the future, someone will find a tramp whome he fucks through a chain link fence. I will make sure that the next time I post this, and I will. I will provide some references on paper. Thank you for your time.

You're welcome. One last thing: User:Sardoc8401/sandbox is your personal sandbox. You can work on a draft of the article there and not worry about it getting deleted before it's ready to move to article space. Darkspots (talk) 12:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

THX

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		My hat is off to you; many thanks for your patience regarding Waffle Ass Lectonar (talk) 08:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem. You never know what's going to happen when you click the "save page" button, do you? Regards, Darkspots (talk) 08:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Linux Unified Kernel

Not too sure what's going on here, but see some moves to speedily delete bits. As the OP of this article I would be grateful to be kept in the loop please. Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 20:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Bob. Not sure what you're asking. I assume you're talking about this edit. As I'm sure you know already, articles that only consist of a single external link and no encyclopedic content can be speedy deleted. You've never edited Linux Unified Kernel/archivelist, and I've never edited Linux Unified Kernel. Happy to help with any more specific question or concern. Darkspots (talk) 21:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Mariocoli

I editconflicted on reverting your userpage and then blocking the vandal. :( At least they're gone though. Thanks for reporting! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 00:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem! :) Keep up the great work, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 04:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser

You seem to have become the resident expert on JLT: one to watch, since he also had a pattern of FAC disruption, Lholliteal (talk · contribs). Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sandy, please let me know about anything else at FAC that sets off warning bells. This account's been blocked as a Grawp sock. And thanks for reverting so quickly over at the case page the other day! Darkspots (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)