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Welcome

Hello RussNelson, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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CNE etc. maps

You might have more luck trying to reach Bernie out-of-band at the railroad.net NY&NE/CNE forums. SPUI occasionally shows up there, too. Choess 04:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Re. Mohansic State Hospital Branch: maybe it's my imagination, but if you look at the historic map, there are what look like cuts and fills curving around through the saddle north of French Hill — one in the 440-foot and two in the 480-foot contours. Every now and then, you can catch something on the 1940s maps that's been eroded or bulldozed away on the modern topos. In the 1946 Ware topo, for instance, you can observe a big fill (NW corner) and some smaller earthworks (look for Gilbertville and trace along the east bank of the more western stream; it would have curved to the west and crossed the stream on a trestle and fill just south of Turkey St), remains of Central Massachusetts grading diminished or invisible on modern maps.

Anyway, I need to talk to you about this map database business; I've been plugging at the other end of it (how to accurately represent railroad corporate relationships in a DB) for some time. Details to follow. Choess 06:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Your recent comments at Talk:Eric S. Raymond

In regards to your recent comments left at Talk:Eric S. Raymond (diffs: ): Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- ShinmaWa 02:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I can see that you have some misunderstandings on how Misplaced Pages works. There is nothing wrong with that, but let me try to explain them for you to prevent misunderstandings. First of all, deleting messages on your talk pages without responding is considered quite uncivil. After you ignored his request, Jayvdb followed up on the talk page of the article, which I wholly support as a proper course of action. As for the item in question (Raymond being the maintainer of gpsd), this is not general knowledge and was presented as a statement of fact. This means that you had responsibility to cite it. It is not Jayvdb's responsibility to verify and cite your edits for you. What level of citation do we expect? Approximately that of an article in an academic journal or a graduate-level thesis. Afterall, this is an encyclopedia we are writing here. In addition, this tidbit of information is not anywhere near as easy to verify as you make it out to be. I did a quick Google search using the keywords "Raymond", "gpsd", and "maintainer". The only thing I found in the first 30 results that points to him having that role is the Misplaced Pages article. At any rate, and let me be completely clear here, there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever to attack another Misplaced Pages editor for any reason. Jayvdb has been nothing but polite, even in the face of your incivility. Please take from his example and treat the other volunteers here with the level of respect that they deserve. Thank you for your time. -- ShinmaWa 06:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editting! -- ShinmaWa 01:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Rob Levin (third nomination)

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Kudish

You're welcome. Think you might be able to get a pic? Daniel Case 06:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I can take a camera to the 3500 Club dinner in April. Or better yet, go on the hike with him I've always been promising to do.

He was flattered to find I had posting a very glowing review of his book to Amazon. I think he'll be even more flattered to find he is notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article. Daniel Case 18:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Removing Criticism in ESR Article

I've gone ahead and left a long response on the talk page for the ESR article. It would be best to carry on the conversation there but I thought I would make sure I would point it out here because it's largely directed to you. —mako (talk•contribs) 00:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Benkler in FOSS celebs

I disagree with your deletion of Yochai Benkler. In academia he is the leading voice of FOSS because of his groundbreaking article "Coase's Penguin," which explained to economists why FOSS works. HarcourtArms 13:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Errr, well, we already knew why FOSS works, but still, I suggest that he's just not a celebrity. When has he ever been mentioned in the popular press?RussNelson 14:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Open source movement

I think you would be particularly well suited to respond to this question/suggestion on the Eric S. Raymond Article: Talk:Eric S. Raymond#Is there an open source movement? —mako ๛ 14:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

GPE Project

Hey Russ - thanks for clarifying a bit what I wrote down regarding the current debate over GPE @ GPE Palmtop Environment. The Linux.com article and your rebuttal was one of the reasons I wanted to put that section in the article - not to mention clean up the whole thing and add screenshots! Here's hoping that gets resolved. /me crosses fingers --Sodium N4 09:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright instructions

I replied at Talk:Oswego Recreational Trail re how to establish that the copyright situation is OK. Thanks. --Coppertwig 17:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC) I'm sorry because I think it's a useful article, but I've put a possible-copyright-violation template on it. I think someone would have to follow the instructions (i.e. reword it, or demonstrate permission by one of the methods described). --Coppertwig 21:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I've reworded it sufficiently to not violate my own copyright. RussNelson 01:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for changing it to say "multi-use" trail; I was going to do that. I see that it's been reworded slightly but I doubt it's enough to satisfy the copyright concerns. The template you removed stated that it should not be removed before an administrator has looked at the page. Please put it back. Note that the template suggests writing a draft new version on a subpage, not at the article itself. It's still not clear to me that you own the copyright. The page is still listed at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems and therefore is expected to be looked at by an administrator about 7 days after it was listed. --Coppertwig 16:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

There are no copyright concerns. RussNelson 17:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Statue of liberty -- world impression

Greetings Russ. I wasn't surprised to see someone undo my deletion of "and more generally, represents liberty and escape from oppression" from the Statue of Liberty article. My objection was not to the statement that it symbolizes those things, but that this is in a sentence started by "Worldwide". It certainly symbolizes those things to Americans, and probably to many migrants to the US. My point was (and is) that this is not a "worldwide" view.

I've changed it from "and more generally it symbolizes..." to "To many, it symbolizes...". Can you live with that? LachlanA 00:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

That's fine. RussNelson 01:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Rainsford-island-by-doc-searls.jpg

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New York And Ottawa Railway - Map

Thank you for your comments and my apologies. I have done the proper means of putting a map up for this particular article. I just thought it was better to edit your image rather than upload yet another image while yours goes into limbo. My file is now up and replaces yours. I do like your idea of using a top map with the route drawn in as it helps for researchers to identify the line today, but unfortunately Canadian topo maps differ in sizes than the American ones that I have plus I have not found any Canadian ones available on-line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonfire34 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for improving the quality of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthika.kerala (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing the page about me

I understand your desire for an accurate article about me. I share that desire. To that end, stop removing valid citations. There is plenty of evidence that I have been making a living from free software for many many years. Look, for example, on the Free Software Business mailing list. If I was a fraud, surely someone would have called me out. You have no reason to call me a liar; no evidence for it whatsoever; and there's plenty of evidence (if only you would stop vandalizing my page) that I am not lying. RussNelson (talk) 16:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I never called you a liar. I'm just concerned about self-promotion, that you'll have to concede that is way too common in your circles. --Damiens.rf 16:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you want an inaccurate article? Is that why you keep removing things? Why don't you just nominate the article for deletion? Why not just remove everything about me? WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?? GO AWAY! PICK ON SOMEBODY ELSE! Work on gaining other interests on life besides obsessing on me, okay? RussNelson (talk) 17:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Your recent edit summary was VERY abusive.Teapotgeorge (talk) 19:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

well, no, it's clear that this guy has a vendetta against me, refuses to use the talk page to discuss this matter, and continues to remove cited material simply because he doesn't like the citations. It's arguable, we've argued about it, and I've asked him to leave the text there to allow someone else to contribute. HE REFUSES TO STOP. Clearly this guy has some kind of obsession with me, he shouldn't be editing Russ Nelson and has a WP:COI at this point. RussNelson (talk) 20:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Picture for your article

Nelson, since we're at it, could you release some picture of yours under a free licensing, so that we can use it in your Misplaced Pages article? That one where you're smiling on your homepage seems ok, but you may want to pick another one of your choice.

I suggest uploading the image yourself to commons, or releasing it on Flickr, so that we can properly document the free licensing.

Thanks, --Damiens.rf 20:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

How would you know the picture is of me, without a citation to a reliable source? RussNelson (talk) 05:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess we could just say "the picture Mr. Nelson uses to identify himself". But the problem with sources in wiki-auto-biographies is that people tend to promote themselves by making their work to look like a greater contribution to humankind than they really are, or make their lives sound more cool than they really are. In the case of a photograph, one could indeed try to look prettier than he really is. But if you use any of those pictures in your webpage or flickr account, I doubt anyone would ever think this could be the case. --Damiens.rf 11:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, I guess your likeness is something trivial to verify, unlike the claim that you "make a living from open source software since ages", or that a program you wrote in the early 90s (and currently does not compiles) can be classified as a Mac Paint clone.

So, would you upload such a picture? --Damiens.rf 11:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I'm afraid that you would print it out and use it as a love object, given your obsession with me. RussNelson (talk) 17:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Please, you're being offensive. Also, what would prevent such an obsessed person to do that to your picture from your website? (He would have be really obsessed about free content!).

But please, just politely reply yes or no (preferably, "yes"). Would you upload a nice picture of you for use on your bio page? --Damiens.rf 18:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude, you're starting to creep me out. Go stalk somebody else. RussNelson (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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why do you think I don't know all of that already? This whole brou-ha-ha was started by Damiens.rf asking for a citation. Perfectly fine. I provided him with one, two, and then three citations, none of which he liked, and without discussion in the talk page, he reverted them. I'm not editing my bio, just adding citations -- but Damiens.rf is deleting (has successfully deleted) it. I realize that Misplaced Pages's goal is an accurate article, which is why I added negative material about myself. My reputation stands on my work completely independent of anything written in Misplaced Pages -- but when that work is removed from the article it becomes less reliable and less accurate. Apparently that is completely in line with Misplaced Pages policies even though the primary goal is a reliable encyclopedia. Can you say self-defeating? But that's why the caution against WP:COI is not a simple "don't edit an article about yourself" but is instead, "be careful when you do so" -- because an editor can edit an article about himself reliably. It's a judgement call; in this case Damiens.rf's judgement is clouded by previous run-ins we've had on other articles. Which is why I have asked, and continue to ask that he refrain -- or be forced to refrain if he lacks the self-restraint -- from editing my bio page. RussNelson (talk) 06:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: List of Streetcar lines on Long Island

Unfortunatley, I've been completley clueless about the line through Blue Point and Bayport until you showed me that map. I wrote to Patchogue-Medford Library's history department and asked for the exact route and found nothing beyond that of the main route on North & South Ocean Avenue & Suffolk Traction Boulevard, and it was there where I found out about the lines to Blue Point, Bayport, and Medford in the first place. Where did you get the info on the connection to Sayville? ----DanTD (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The last map on this Suffolk Traction page shows the route in Sayville. RussNelson (talk) 20:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit war on FN P90

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on FN P90. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 11:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

You are confused. I made an edit, he reverted it, and I reverted it back because WP:NOTCENSORED. How do two reverts become a three-revert edit war? Perhaps he reverted it again? If so, shouldn't you be warning him, not me? Because I can only control my own behavior, not mine. RussNelson (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, I see you were already warned, but I'll clarify N4T's warning. Please read WP:Edit war. The natural order of things here is to be bold and edit articles. If an edit is disputed, you are encouraged to build a concensus for inclusion on the talk page. You didn't do that, instead you left a rude personal attack on the edit comment and placed the same content... knowing it was disputed, on the page again. I'm pretty sure that falls under edit warring. Your understanding of the term "Three Revert Rule" needs to extend beyond the phrase "Three Revert Rule" and include an actual reading of the rule. Hope this helps you. --Winged Brick (talk) 23:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you think so, but it wasn't a rude personal attack. It was simply a suggestion that one person's 'squick' about killing shouldn't guide the contents of the article. RussNelson (talk) 15:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Uncivil edit comment on FN P90

Your edit comment here appears to be impolite and aimed at the editor, not what he was saying. Please refrain from personal attacks against other editors and always assume good faith. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 12:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)