Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Deely (talk | contribs) at 15:44, 8 December 2008 (→Tables). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

This professional wrestling article is a frequent target for editors to add a week-by-week synopsis of storyline events, unconfirmed information, rumors, and other content inappropriate to an encyclopedic article. Please make sure to familiarize yourself with what Misplaced Pages is not, and consider whether your additions to this article will serve to make the article larger and harder to edit for style, clarity, and grammar.

Professional wrestling List‑class Mid‑importance

List of WWE personnel is within the scope of WikiProject Professional wrestling, an attempt to improve and standardize articles related to professional wrestling. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, visit the project to-do page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to discussions.Professional wrestlingWikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestlingTemplate:WikiProject Professional wrestlingProfessional wrestling List This article has been rated as List-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Complaints against the article will be ignored unless suggestions for improvement are included.

Todd Grisham

Todd is also Raw Backstage interviewer. If you do decide to put with his name put it under Notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.127.253 (talk) 20:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Raw and ECW have a talent exchange, so ECW wrestlers (and other assorted personalities) can regularly show up on Raw.

So there's no need to make a special note for Grisham.

Vjmlhds 23:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Todd Grisham has been the Raw interviewer before he moved to ECW as an announcer and BEFORE the Raw/ECW talent exchange was established so it should be noted that he is both an announcer and backstage interviewer. The Jay Experience 08:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe prior to the talent exchange, we could have noted it, but since there is a talent exchange, and all ECW personalities are involved, there's no need to single out Grisham.

Vjmlhds 00:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Goldust

It's been reported Goldust signed a talent contract and not a Legends Deal so he can be added to whatever brand he eventually pops up on (I'd guess Raw) Hot Stuff International (talk) 22:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Whatever WWE.com states, doesn't matter what brand he appears on. Remember Big Show appeared on just Raw before this year's WrestleMania, and now he's a full fledge Smackdown! guy. So let's just wait for WWE.com to state something. SteelersFan-94 22:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes Goldust has now signed a contract and can be added to the Raw roster as he debuted on Monday defeating Santino Marella. Jay 01:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Images

Are they really nessiscary, they look terrible why are they on the page at all? The Jay Experience 03:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Per FL criteria probably. All articles on wikipedia are supposed to be illustrated by images even if it isn't because of the criteria.--WillC 07:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough if they need to be there. Jay 06:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It dosen't look good... Kalajan (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

How is it that we choose which images appear on the page, cuz frankly, I have no idea. I was thinking "maybe its champions"... but then again, I dont think Lillian Garcia is a champion. :/ So seriously, how? Alex /_C Guest Book 07:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks to me like the top-tier champions (WWE and IC for Raw, WHC and US for SD and the ECW Championship for ECW) and female champions together with some random non-wrestling talent. Yeah, the image placements look like crap. --Kaizer13 (talk) 10:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I fixed (and hopefully established) the criteria for pictures--

Champions and GMs only for the main 3 brands.

Everything below the main 3 brands is fine as it is, but for the main 3 brands, stick to my outline.

Thanks.

Vjmlhds 22:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Roucka

Should Roucka be moved to the RAW brand since she was an audience member cheering for Beth Phoenix which may hint a possible addition to the RAW divas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.133.155 (talk) 07:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No. Not until she debuts on the tv show as a wrestler should she be moved.--WillC 07:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

She hasn't made an in-ring debut and she hasn't done anything notable on television yet, and i don't believe she's actually been introduced at all so just leave her in the FCW section for now. Jay 06:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Table

is it nessesery --Wwe.fana (talk) 07:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It is not necessary but it was agreed upon by the project, so it stays.--WillC 08:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Its rubbish and everyone hate it - accept it Kalajan (talk) 19:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

i hate the tabels also but we will revisit it in a month or so.CMJMEM (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Gail Kim

Should we put Gail under the Unassigned talent because Mike Johnson of PWInsider has confirmed that Gail Kim is heading to SmackDown and all wrestling sites, even the ones dedicated towards the divas is clamming this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.133.155 (talk) 20:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I would think so....but more feedback should be given before a decision is made. SteelersFan-94 21:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No. It is a complete rumor that has been going on since July. Kim nor the WWE have acknowledged her signing. Until she debuts or promos air for her return does she get place in the article. PWInsider is a non-reliable source as well. Even if a reliable source is brung it is still WP:SPECULATION.--WillC 22:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Gail Kim has been on the road with WWE for the past few weeks, doing autograph signings, etc. so i think it would be safe to say she's signed a contract by now. Jay 01:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source?--TRU_CO 02:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Basically every professional wrestling website is reporting it, so i think that's pretty reliable.Jay 03:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Not every site is reliable. Please bring a reliable source.--WillC 04:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Here Jay 03:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Not a reliable source. Plus it must source she has a contract and can't say is rumored to have signed a contract for future reference.--WillC 06:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok then. Jay 03:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

As noted in the Tomko section below this, WWE rarely announces they have signed anyone anymore and instead they try and keep it as a "surprise". Not that it matters because she'll be re-debuting soon enough but Gail's been signed to a contract for months now and has been brought on the road with them at TV tapings the past two weeks. She should be included but as I just wrote, it won't matter because she'll be back on TV and added back anyway. Hot Stuff International (talk) 21:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

She can be added when she debuts, not until then.--WillC 21:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

We need a good source that she's SET TO COME not RUMERED, I use bold caps not to holler, but to make sure people see it. And Will We've added wrestler's to the page before you joined Misplaced Pages, Kofi Kingston, Big Show etc I know there's more from back in the back in the good ole' day's. SteelersFan-94 21:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Mike Johnson at PWInsider.Com is a reliable source as he reported she signed with them back in July and was doing a photo shoot and was filmed to be included in show openings. I doubt he'd report that if it weren't true as PWI isn't a dirt sheet that has plugs like "Hogan joins TNA, Read HERE!!!!" But when she does return, she can be added so it can end for now. Hot Stuff International (talk) 00:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

See I'm trying to follow rules. No rumors without a verifiable reliable source, but the problem there is, all sources say she is rumored to have signed, she is rumored to be debuting and that does not work. Also PWInsider is not a reliable source.--WillC 01:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Calm down Will.. no need for hostility. I simply stated my opinion. I'm not losing sleep over it either way because as previously written once she makes her debut, and there's no doubt that she will, the matter will be resolved. Hot Stuff International (talk) 13:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm clam, it takes more than unsourced info to upset me. Unless you live in my town and are named Matthew or Jacob I'm fine with you. It is better to wait till they are seen on tv. Crap Wrestling Observer even stated that Kevin Nash had signed with TNA and he stated that he had not when in reality he did. It is better to wait till it actually happens. Sometimes sources are wrong and sometimes they are right.--WillC 06:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

If it was confirmed by the President of the US you would say it wasnt a reliable source untill u say it happen on tv —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.111.9 (talk) 05:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

True.--WillC 05:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Travis (Tyson) Tomko back with the WWE...

He just signed a new contract http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=229723160 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

A unreliable source, and the one from Gerweck is also a unreliable source.--WillC 05:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's an unrealiable source, chances are that's just a rumor. Jay 09:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

If you actually click that link, you see the actual source is the Wrestling Observer Newsletter by Meltzer. If that's not a reliable source, what is? I know we've had these arguments hundreds of times before, but Meltzer has connections within the business and WWE rarely, if ever, announces the re-signing of former talents or big names on their site. They attempt to keep them "secret" until debuts. Also, we generally treat these sites as reliable information when it comes to developmental signings. So it's really a double-edged sword. Frankly, I don't think this argument will ever really be solved. Dahumorist (talk) 17:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that guy. Of course, once it actually happens this discussion is solved >.> --Kaizer13 (talk) 10:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

He signed today,get over it.

Look on WWE.com right now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oreius (talk • contribs) 07:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I went and there was nothing there that had to do with Tomko.--WillC 08:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL,SUCKER —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oreius (talk • contribs) 09:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Whatever.--WillC 10:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You honestly can't consider WWE.com a reliale source either. It's in kayfabe. They post news on events they want casual fans to know about it. If you sighted it in anything professional, you'd be laughed at. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.67.174 (talk) 03:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Kayfabe or no, it's the official site and as such, there couldn't be a more reliable source out there. The site doesn't announce most signings though. --Kaizer13 (talk) 03:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I would like to make it a rule that only champions have their pictures up on the roster page, as they represent the current "face" of that division.

Vjmlhds 19:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree,the other ones are pointless. SteelersFan-94 21:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Champs and GMs are fine.

Raw has Cena, Regal, Phoenix (Champions) and Stephanie (GM--or what passes for it).

SD has Edge, Benjamin, McCool (Champions) and Vickie G. (GM)

ECW has Hardy (Champion) and Teddy Long (GM)

FCW, Corporate, Agents, and Other Personnel are fine as they are.

The 3 big brands though shouldn't be changed until there are new champs or a new GM.

Vjmlhds 22:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

shouldn't we have pic of both mcmahons since they are both in charge of raw right now.CMJMEM (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

World Wrestling Entertainment Roster/ Corporate, Agents, and Other Personnel

I think we Should Rename the Page to World Wrestling Entertainment Roster and move the Corporate, Agents, and Other Personnel to its own page.Dmansk8r11={] (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Tables for WWE matches not articles?

While I agree that the tables make the article easier to read, is there anyway that the information can Make MORE Sense?

Just put the "Ring Name" up for each wrestler, any current titles tehy may hold and the show they are primarily competing on. If they are inactive due to injury or suspension, that can be added as well. That's all you need.

We don't need their real name listed in the employee article, don't need their real/billed heights/weights or any other BS. on the table. Isn't that what each article for each specific wrestler is for to have that extraneous info? Just give us the basics. Qazox (talk) 07:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Just turn back to how it was earlier Kalajan (talk) 14:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Tag Teams and Stables

It was announced on ECW this week that Finlay & Hornswoggle will face Mark Henry & Tony Atlas so i think they can be classed as a tag team, i'm not sure about Chavo & Neely, neither of them have wrestled much lately. Jay 03:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Atlas will have to become more of an active wrestler for them to count as a team. However, we can now put the occasional wrestler tag on "Mr. USA" now. (That was Atlas' old nickname before anyone asks.)

Chavo wrestled Matt Hardy during last week's double-shot Smackdown tapings, so he's still active, I don't know if Bam joined him or not though, if not, then de-activate him because it has been more than 30 days since we saw him. (Don't remember seeing him at all in November).

Also, Orton/Rhodes/Manu can now be considered a stable as RKO made them the offer to join him on Raw, and the beatdown on Cena clinched the fact that they're now a team.

And Cole used the Priceless name numerous times on the air last night, so I think it's fair now that we can use it here. (If WWE uses it, then it's fine to use it here--we just can't take it upon ourselves to give them a name if WWE doesn't.)

Vjmlhds 05:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

And what about the tag team of Santino Marella and Beth Phoenix?

Cole used the Glamarella name when they where at ringside,I mean they have been called a team by wwe for the past 4 months now.

Glamarella should be a stable not a tag team because they have not teamed together in a match in quite a while.YoMamma6188 (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

How is that logical? The definition of a stable is that it needs more than three members. With only two, it's a tag team. --Kaizer13 (talk) 18:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's not start this again.

Santino/Beth are not a team, they are a wrestler and a valet (one accompanies the other, but other than Summerslam, they don't team up in the ring). If we list "Glamarella" as a team then we have to do the same for the Burchills, Regal/Layla, Edge/Vickie, DJ Gabriel/Alicia Fox, and any other male/female pairing.

A tag team is a pair of wrestlers who regularly team up together and could compete for the tag team titles.

There are only 2 exceptions that should be considered:

1. If a male/female team were to become tag team champions or have a ppv match for the belts.

2. The Bella Twins due to the twin thing being their whole reason being there.

Other than that, let's use some common sense.

Vjmlhds 22:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I NEVER said add all the male/female pairs stupid,I said Glamarella SHOULD be because WWE CALLS them that AND they are talked about on WWE.com as Glamarella,now I will just add them myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oreius (talk • contribs) 07:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

First, insults will not be tolerated, one more and I'll recommend you be blocked.

Second, the reason we don't include Glammarella is because if we do that, then somebody else will put in the Burchills, then somebody else will put in Edge and Vickie and so on, and it will lead to an edit war, and the page will be locked again.

What I'm doing is putting out a fire before it starts.

Vjmlhds 17:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

No,you are trying to make the site be your way,you think everything has to be done only YOUR way.Glamarella IS a stable because they are called that,the Burchill's aren't because they haven't been seen together,Edge and Vickie are because vickie doesn't wrestle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oreius (talk • contribs) 18:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

If you object to the way the article is managed, then please reasonably list your arguments. There's no need to assume bad faith and to result to insults.  Hazardous Matt  18:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, since the changes you have been insisting upon are going against consensus, it would probably be best to discuss the reason for the changes here, rather than risk a 3RR violation.  Hazardous Matt  19:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Oreius--

I'm not trying to make anything MY way. I'm just following wiki rules that had been set a long time ago.

The "Glammarella" name is a play on all these cutesy-fartsy names that Hollywood actors get slapped on them by the tabloids when they hook up (i.e. "Brangelina", "Bennifer" etc.).

That doesn't make them a tag team.

It was established awhile back on wiki (go through the archives) that male/female pairings don't equal tag teams.

The only exception would be if a male/female team were to either hold or wrestle for the tag team belts on PPV because those situations automatically classify you as a team because you would then be either the champions, or the #1 contenders.

And obviously the Bella Twins are a team because of the twin thing being their whole M.O.

Other than that, male/female or female teams are not considered as a team because otherwise it would be opening Pandora's box for others who would get added in.

That is the best way I can explain the situation, so please just drop it.

Vjmlhds 02:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Your wrong Oreius, A stable has to have "3" people in it. Matt and VJ are right....your wrong. SteelersFan-94 00:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Stay civil and do not attack others. ayematthew ✡ 12:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

World Wrestling Entertainment Roster/ Corporate, Agents, and Other Personnel

There is a separate page for this so it being on this is pointless --Dmanskater ¹¹ (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Where and there was no consensus to move them to a new page. The page is call List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees, the corporate management sections need to be in this article. It is not just for wrestlers.--WillC 21:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Deuce

Wasn't Deuce released? Yanksrule46 (talk) 01:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)Dan Deragon (Yanksrule46)

No, Domino was released earlier this year. I wouldn't be half surprised to see Deuce fly the coop either, though. --Kaizer13 (talk) 01:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

DiBiasie, Manu, Orton Team

They've never teamed up so if no one can give me a reason why they are in 24 hours I'm getting rid of them.--Wwe.fana (talk) 09:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Didn't you see Raw this week?

Orton talked to Rhodes and Manu backstage, talked about realizing their collective potential together, and told them to meet in the locker room if they were interested.

At the end of the show, all 3 came out en masse to help Jericho beat down Cena, and WWE.com played it up as the 3 of them coming together as a unit.

Rhodes and Manu have been running buddies for months, and on Monday they finally joined up with Orton after weeks of teasing.

Vjmlhds 14:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yah, thats right Kalajan (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

They've Never teamed up in a match about 11 hours left--Wwe.fana (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:OWN -- Please read this. You don't get to make unilateral decisions just because it suits what you want.  Hazardous Matt  01:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Randy and Cody teamed up at Survivor Series (with Manu at ringside), Cody and Manu have been palling around and teaming since September, and they all came together on Monday for the Cena beatdown.

Thus they are now a stable (as Cody and Manu obviously took RKO up on his offer to join forces).

This bit of advice goes for any Wiki editor--"countdowns" are frowned upon, and pressing the issue could get you blocked if you don't back off.

Vjmlhds 04:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Priceless

check out here http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/slammyawards08/ in best tag team, just saying so that noone takes it down Kalajan (talk) 12:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• WikiProject Professional Wrestling frequent targets
• List-Class Professional wrestling articles
• Mid-importance Professional wrestling articles
• WikiProject Professional wrestling articles