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December 8

Hiding the donate bar

I looked around a little but I couldn't find anything on hiding the donate box above every article. Is there some sort of javascript I can apply to hide it? (I am referring to completely hiding it, not just collapsing it.) Thanks, Aiuw 02:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Special:Preferences > Gadgets > Browsing Gadgets > Supress display of the fundraiser banner. Calvin 1998  02:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Aiuw 02:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Is this trolling

In ten minutes I was accused of not assuming good faith and trolling here here and here. Are these users allegations justified? utter bullshit to me. It started when I removed an unsourced claim off of the Up Series article.--intraining 02:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Adding: the comments I left on the user talk page were deleted, in the edit summary's I was accused of being a troll.--intraining 02:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. You automatically assume that your interpretation of WP:CITE#CHALLENGED is correct, that MarnetteD is trying to re-add false information, and that MarnetteD's suggestion to read WP:AGF is a personal attack. You wrote, "You can shove that good faith page up your arse" and "How dare you accuse me of not assuming good faith". That is a prime example of assuming bad faith. Xenon54 02:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree but I will accept your interpretation of the situation.--intraining 02:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Also see WP:CIVIL, and remember that in any disagreement on Misplaced Pages, the side which understands the rules best generally wins. If everybody understood and followed all the rules, we probably wouldn't have any disagreements. That's because the rules accumulated as a result of past disagreements and their resolutions. In other words, almost every policy and guideline on Misplaced Pages exists because it resolves some sort of disagreement that tends to arise repeatedly in the absence of said rules (or in the absence of knowledge of said rules). You can think of Misplaced Pages's rules as a way to predict what other editors will tend to do. To the extent that other editors understand and obey the rules, their behavior becomes easier to predict. This is fundamental to allowing Misplaced Pages to function. Since we aren't all sitting in one building where we can see each other and work things out face to face, we must create a similar degree of structure through other means. Actually I think Misplaced Pages has more structure than most real-world organizations. In much of the real world, many of the rules aren't written down, and so they become subject to personal interpretation. In many real-world situations, there are no explicit rules, so you are never quite sure where you stand, and people end up wasting vast amounts of time on repeating the same kinds of arguments over and over. On Misplaced Pages, ideally, a particular dispute only needs to occur once, and after that everybody can read the friendly manuals instead of repeating the same dispute. Of course no one individual knows everything in all the manuals, but it's readily possible to understand enough of the rules to stay out of most kinds of trouble. --Teratornis (talk) 03:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

My interpretation's the same as Xenon's; see WP:MASTODONS. If you're accused of being a bad faith editor, the best way to prove that accusation false is to respond with all the good faith you can muster. Also bear in mind that instructing another editor to shove something up their arse is never, ever beneficial to what we do here, unless you're answering a question about suppositories at the reference desk. Disagreements are inevitable and often constructive. Conflicts are avoidable and rarely constructive. So by keeping a clear head and communicating politely, you're ultimately saving yourself a world of headaches. --Fullobeans (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Editing on Misplaced Pages can demand a lot of sangfroid, depending on where one edits. The more personally involved one feels with a particular topic, the harder it is to remain emotionally detached when someone else savages one's edits. One way to avoid getting bothered is to find something less bothersome to work on. A good example is the Help desk, where you forget about your own problems and instead answer other people's questions - I find it to be very calming. See Misplaced Pages:Help desk/How to answer#Why volunteer?. --Teratornis (talk) 09:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Template Substitution

There seems to be a consensus on Template talk:RS500 that Template:RS500 should be substituted for its actual text wherever it is used in the article namespace. I read on Misplaced Pages:Template substitution that there are bots that help with this task, but from what I understand, this is generally limited to the User talk namespace. Where should I go/who should I contact to stop this transclusion? Thanks! —Pie4all88 04:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

You can post to Misplaced Pages:Bot requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Great; thanks for the help, PrimeHunter! —Pie4all88 05:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

help needed

I need a help in redirecting a page from Sonu to Sonu (disambiguation). I cannot make a redirect by myself because the page Sonu is locked. Chandra.20 (talk) 07:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:DABNAME which states "The title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term. If there is a primary topic, then the tag "(disambiguation)" is added . . .". I think that Sonu (actress) should be the primary topic so Sonu (actress) should redirect to Sonu which should contain a hatnote (see also WP:DLINKS) linking to Sonu (disambiguation). Zain Ebrahim (talk) 10:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• What would you like to see at Sonu then? I don't see any meaning that is more common than the others, so I'd actually support moving the dab page from Sonu (disambiguation) to Sonu in the spirit of using the least unneccesary description. - Mgm| 08:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I have moved Sonu (disambiguation) to Sonu per WP:DABNAME. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

But shouldn't Sonu (actress) count as the "primary topic" for the term "Sonu"? All the others on that list are not precisely "Sonu" while the actress is. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 08:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

People on List of one-word stage names (where Sonu is currently not listed) rarely get the exclusive right to a common name just because they perform under that name alone. Maybe if they are very notable with a rare name widely associated with them, but Sonu (actress) appears to have lower notability than some of the other Sonu's. I guess people entering Sonu in the search box might as well be looking for one of the others. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Some ads deleted some stay intact

there are quite a few advertisements on Misplaced Pages... for example indiabulls, CRISIL S&P et al.. Then why is ist that you delete my article without even waiting? this is no frustration but a genuine question.

Regards,

Sandeep —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeeponthenet (talk • contribs) 11:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• For a variety of reasons. Not all articles on companies are adverts. In a lot of cases difference lies in the language. Whether were choose to keep or rework an article about a company relies on whether we can find other people (not just anyone, but reliable sources) writing about them. We also have some additional criteria at WP:CORP. indiabulls for example, is a company that is registered at a National Stock Exchange of India. Companies that are already succesful don't need to advertise, but a lot of starting companies that aren't yet, try to use the high visibility of Misplaced Pages to their advantage in order to get noticed, that's why we have the rules. If something should be deleted according to the guidelines and isn't, chances are no one noticed or no one felt comfortable to make the decision to nominate it for deletion. - Mgm| 12:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

When talking about 'advertising', the tone that the article is written in also matters. If it is written in an obviously promotional manner (eg: our company is dedicated to providing...) then of course it will be advertising. Misplaced Pages articles should always be presented from a neutral point of view, and not in a biased manner. As for why some articles violating policy do not get deleted, we have a lot of articles here, and many are being created everyday. It's not possible to check each and every one of them to see if they comply with the policies. Many are found and deleted soon after they are created, and the ones which are not seen will be deleted when they get spotted. Cheers. Chamal 12:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

See also What about article x?. In short, there is no central authority that applies policy and guideline consistently and at the same time. Rather, we are a collection of thousands and thousands of separate and individual volunteers, each editing by his or her own lights. Thus issues in an article (such as blatant advertising) may be addressed moments after the article's creation, while another article with very similar issues may not be focused on by anyone for months. So generalizing from any one article's existence or state to conclude something about other articles is a logic that often doesn't work well here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

And see WP:BFAQ, WP:COI, and WP:PEACOCK. Almost all companies need to advertise, but companies that are already successful can pay for their advertising. They don't need to look to Misplaced Pages to get some free advertising, but if they do, other users will eventually police their edits here. Prominent companies are well-known to many people, so there is often lots of criticism published about them. That lets Misplaced Pages write articles such as Criticism of Microsoft to go along with the Microsoft article (which is a featured article i.e. one of the best articles on Misplaced Pages). If you want your company to be on Misplaced Pages, would you like to have a "Criticism of ..." article about it too? That is what can happen here. Companies which want to control the message about themselves will do so in their paid advertising. --Teratornis (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Current US state Chief Justices

I have written in to complain about purging problems very often in the last few weeks. I am now experiencing the most unusual problem at {{Current US state Chief Justices}}. When I go to the page I see each office and each officeholder has a link. When I look at the history, I see the last version of the page is of this format. However, when I attempt to edit the page I see the following

{{US states navbox with columns
|name = Current US state Chief Justices
|title = Current ]s of ] ] and ] ]s
|suffix = Supreme Court

|AL = ]
|AK = ]
|AZ = '']''
. . . .
|NY = '']''
. . . .

When I return to the template and click on NY it takes me to New York Supreme Court. I actually want it to take me to New York Court of Appeals. I was going to edit this, but my edit view is quite a problem. In the past purge issues have not affected my edit view.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

As the source shows, {{Current US state Chief Justices}} uses {{US states navbox with columns}}. The latter adds state links with the suffix parameter suffix = Supreme Court. It appears there is no option to change suffix for individual states so I don't have a solution for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I created this page and did not include that command. I will go back to through the edit history and see who made the change. That person will be the best person for me to talk to. Thanks for deciphering the code.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Account creator

I have been trying to process requests made through WP:ACC but when I try I get an error due to the fact that my ISP now accesses Misplaced Pages though an IP shared by millions. How do I request the "account creator" right. Anonymous101 (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for permissions/Acc. :) That only allows you to bypass the throttle though, so I doubt it would help you bypass the ISP blocks. I'm not entirely sure on that though. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not blocked (as long as I log in) just the IP I use has created more then 6 accounts today. Anonymous101 (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help by the way. Anonymous101 (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah I see. You're welcome. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 20:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I have granted the account creator flag to you. —αἰτίας •discussion• 20:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal Ads

Hi,

I found a link to a physician's private practice website on the Neuroendocrinology page (at the bottom under Neuroendocrine Physician). This seems like inappropriate advertisement. Is it OK to delete it? Thanks! Horus (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Read WP:EL and WP:SPAM and arrive at your own conclusions, however I personally think that deleting this link may be supported by the relevent guidelines. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I read it and removed the link. Horus (talk) 20:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Author, Skip Stover

I am an accomplished author and would like to know if Wikepedia could list information about me. I can be reached at <email removed>. To find out about my works, you can type Skip Stover on any search bar on the internet. I can also supply you with a very detailed background from my early child hood and family ties. Thank you. Charles "Skip" Stover, author —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipster56 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Misplaced Pages first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. – ukexpat (talk) 22:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

See WP:CREATIVE for specific notability guidelines for creative professionals. Even if you do meet the guidelines, don't start the article yourself. You can request that the article be created at Misplaced Pages:Requested articles/Culture and fine arts/Literature, and you can make the job easier for other editors by providing links to books reviews, newspaper articles, etc. --Fullobeans (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Question for Misplaced Pages regarding monetary contributions

I loves Misplaced Pages, but I also loves my privacy.

I'd like to send some money to Misplaced Pages, or Wikimedia (I presume that's where you send it); but I want to do so anonymously.

I'm thinking of sending it in a (reasonably) opaque envelop—$20 to $100 in cash. Now I know the warnings and they aren't to be taken lightly, but I've done this in the past in other (non-Misplaced Pages related) transactions, and it has worked most of the time (I regarding the occasional loss as acceptable in the grand scheme of things).

What would happen, if you, or more aptly they, got a letter with the cash, my username, an email addresses (free Yahoo! or Hotmail or something like that). Would the money be used as intended, and would it be accredited to me—that is, my username? (Note, I asked this question at the Village Pump (miscellaneous)http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous). Where, by the way, should I be asking it?)

Any and all comments would be appreciated. Yartett (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Your questions are actually about the Wikimedia Foundation, which is the entity one donates to, and which handles the finances for all the List of Wikipedias and other Foundation wikis (Wikibooks, Wikiquote, etc.). See foundation:Donate/Questions/en, foundation:Frequently Asked Questions, foundation:Contact us, and if you don't find the answers you need there, you'll have to figure out who you can ask. Unless someone who happens to know the answers reads your questions in the places where you have posed them. I'm pretty sure you can donate anonymously without resorting to cash in envelopes, because the Foundation reports lots of anonymous donations. But I don't know exactly how you do that. --Teratornis (talk) 22:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the donation methods available is payment through Paypal, which is about as anonymous as an online donation scheme can be. As far as I know, only Paypal has the information on who sent what. The recipient sees only payment from Paypal, a username and an email address. If this is not for you, your donation by mail would be sent to:

Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
P.O. Box 919227
Orlando, FL 32891-9227

However, a second, and probably better option than sending cash but just as anonymous, is to procure an anonymous money order ($1,000 maximum allowed for postal in the U.S.) made out specifically to the Wikimedia Foundation. This method avoids the possibility of the envelope opener pocketing the funds because it can only be cashed by the payee.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I got this feeling, Wikipedians are watching me

When I joined Misplaced Pages a few months ago, I very quickly got a greeting on my username:talk page. When my attempts at articles were huffed and a few of my early postings were edited out—no hard feelings—I got comments, mostly by this greeter.

These people seemed amicable enough, but it lead me to wonder: are there people who hang around the "recent changes" part of Misplaced Pages waiting to greet, or even sponsor, newbies? If so, is there a "newbie-sponsoring-duty" protocol that Wikipedians volunteer for? Is there a hierarchy of types of articles checked—usernames, then articles, then talk pages, then user sub-talk pages, pictures, etc.

Any and all comments would be appreciated.Yartett (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

See the links under WP:EIW#New_page, especially those with the word "patrol". Also see the links under WP:EIW#NewE. When you have a question about why a Misplaced Pages user did something, the most efficient person to ask is usually that person. You could ask your greeter on his or her user talk page how he or she became aware of your activities and decided to welcome you. You could also look at his or her User page and see if he or she describes any participation Misplaced Pages's various new page and new user patrols. On Misplaced Pages, some users leave helpful clues about why they do things, specifically to answer questions such as yours that their actions tend to raise. Misplaced Pages becomes deeply satisfying once you discover the abundant resources here for answering these types of "why?" questions. --Teratornis (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course we're watching you; and the sweater you're wearing right now is lovely. But seriously, the answers to your questions are yes, yes, and not really. The New Pages Patrol patrols new pages (imagine that), the Recent Changes Patrol patrols recent changes (you may see a pattern here) and the Welcoming Committee attempts to leave an appropriate welcome message for every new user who either registers an account or makes their first edit. Involvement in these projects is casual and voluntary; plenty of people are involved in all three. So if a prolific editor is in the habit of patrolling new users, pages, and changes, you may cross paths often. Also, you can change your account settings so that every page you edit will be placed on your watchlist, including user talk pages. This means that, every time you get a comment on your talk page, it's probably showing up on the watchlist of several other editors. This could conceivably lead them to check up on how you're doing by scanning through your recent edits. There is such a thing as Wikistalking, but it sounds like people are just trying to help you out by informing you of the appropriate policies as you go along. There's also an adoption process, for those who want to be formally "sponsored" by a more experienced user. As far as a hierarchy of importance goes: nope, individual editors decide for themselves what's important (although people can be recruited to a project if it needs more help). Some projects and patrols are more popular than others though. --Fullobeans (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

language interwiki question (linkings)

An English-speaker, Spanish-speaker, French-speaker, Esperantist, Russian-speaker, Arabic-speaker, Chinese-speaker do an article on the same topic. Presumably, the spelling for the subject would be the same for the first four languages if it's a biography (e.g. Barack Obama or Bob Barr), but how are links between the interwikis made if it weren’t, if the spelling differed, or if there's another script? Thanks.Yartett (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Interlanguage links. The link is to the exact spelling of the target article on the other language Misplaced Pages, whatever the spelling happens to be over there. --Teratornis (talk) 21:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

language interwiki question (size and number of articles)

Note that on the English Misplaced Pages, the articles on Barack Obama, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, even Joe Biden are lengthy, often editted, and locked. Now check out the the Scots wiki. ] Nothing on ]John McCain. Barack Obama gets only 13 words. The Scottish Gaelic on is a little better. ]. Other language interwikis are the same. Why is this? Is it because (a) they aren't as popular; (b) not as popular and there aren't enough sources in Scottish Gaelic, and even less so in Scots. Must sources be in that particular language, or can one cut and paste from the English and translate. Thank you.Yartett (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The English Misplaced Pages is by far the largest of the Wikipedias. Once you get past the top ten or so language Wikipedias, the remaining Wikipedias are small-ish and therefore their coverage of non-local topics can be spotty. The user community of each Misplaced Pages is responsible for their own content, so what you see reflects the priorities of the people who happen to be editing there. The best place to ask questions about what's on another language Misplaced Pages would be on that Misplaced Pages's version of this Help desk or Reference desk, if it has such pages. As to using sources not in the language of a given Misplaced Pages, on the English Misplaced Pages the guideline is WP:NONENG. Other language Wikipedias may have different guidelines; see their help pages. --Teratornis (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Translation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

My ISP is blocked

Hi. I joined some time ago but I've never gotten around to editing anything yet. I went in to make my first change today (line 'It is not the Garnier it is the popular as to have proof from were I stand I can easly say that Erik built and worked in the Popular. because it made no sense) but I was told that my ISP is blocked because of abuse. Apparently, there's a load of stuff changed that has been traced back to my particular area (I assume, because I have not yet made an edit). I understand that you will get a lot of people messing about and putting up fake edits for fun, but is there any way I can be unblocked, seeing as I haven't actually done anything wrong? Cheers, Emer k —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emakav (talk • contribs) 22:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Your ISP must not be blocked. If it were, you could not post here. —teb728 t c 23:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Is it possible you were not logged in when you attempted the edit? —teb728 t c 23:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you're currently blocked. If you click any "edit" or "edit this page" when blocked then it will say "you're blocked" and tell you how to become unblocked. Blocks are often only a few hours, so you probably didn't need to do anything to be unblocked. More at WP:BLOCK. --h2g2bob (talk) 23:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I rolled back the last edits to Erik (The Phantom of the Opera), including the text you cited. —teb728 t c 23:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, your ISP is either not blocked our the block was lifted really fast.--Archaeopteryx (talk) 02:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned AfD

Can someone take care of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Saab Lofton. It's an untranscluded AfD, needs to be procedurally completed and submitted or else deleted. Grazi, Skomorokh 23:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the alert.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks. Skomorokh 01:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Anytime:)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Help

Hi, I am unable to figure out how the closing admin come up with the figure of 100,000 potential entries from this discussion. S/he thinks the discussion is very clear but it looks more like a misunderstanding to me. Can anyone confirm that I am actually right or else point out the flaw in my understanding? Thanks. Juzhong (talk) 23:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

100,000 does appear to be an arbitrarily selected number; the actual total would be in the millions, assuming we could come up with a name for every participant from every country which fought in the war. Note that the title of the article is not "List of notable Korean War veterans," "List of Korean War veterans with Misplaced Pages articles," or even "List of Korean War veterans from the United States" (which would itself be well over 100,000 entries), but "List of Korean War veterans." How could one even do justice to a list like that? It would be impossible to source every entry, impossible to keep vandals from inserting their own names into the list, and nearly impossible to complete. The end result would be mind-bogglingly huge and useful for little apart from memorializing the veterans, which is something we have a specific policy about. The article you mention in the AfD discussion, People of the Spanish Civil War, is concise and restricted to notable figures who either played an important role in the war or were strongly identified with a particular cause. It's easily navigated, illuminating, and informative, even if you don't click on any of the wikilinks. There's no reason a list like that shouldn't exist for the Korean War, too, but I get the impression (obviously I can't read the list myself) that "List of Korean War veterans" was much more indiscriminate than that. Better to have Category:Military personnel of the Korean War and People of the Korean War. If you'd like to take on the latter project yourself, just clearly state the parameters for inclusion in the lead section (you know, "This is a list of people who are strongly associated with their role in the Korean War. For others involved in the war, see Category:People of the Korean War.") and I doubt you'll have anyone clamoring for deletion. --Fullobeans (talk) 00:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The list only contained blue links and described itself as being a list of notable people, I didn't know it had to have that title. Juzhong (talk) 01:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, our naming convention for lists of people says that the word "notable" is assumed, and should not be in the title of the list. Your options now, if you want to continue working on this list, are to ask that the article be userfied so you can work to improve it and clarify its scope, or to ask for a deletion review. Just remember to remain civil and to stay cool when the editing gets hot. DHowell (talk) 03:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

December 9

Vandalism on user page

Hello i keep getting vandalized on my user page, this time by a Ssjgoku420. I had semi-protected the page in the past. How do i get this perma-protected and/or delete the user page? Thanks

--larsinio (poke) 18:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it's already done, just for reference. – Alex43223 01:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Unifying account has given me two usernames

I unified my account from the Spanish Misplaced Pages, which went through successfully. My username here is different than the one I have on other Wikimedia projects and on other Wikipedias, but the emails and passwords are all the same. I can now log in here with Bellito, or B3llit0, but logging in with B3llit0 doesn't give me any of the various settings and scripts of the other account. What's wrong here, and how do I get it fixed? B3llit0 (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

There are various settings that can be modified on en Misplaced Pages, they can be found in Special:Preferences. Hope that helps.--intraining 04:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Despite having the same emails and passwords those are two different accounts. It is unfortunate that you didn't rename your English Misplaced Pages account to the same name as your Spanish Misplaced Pages account before unification. Because you didn't, your English Misplaced Pages account was not unified with you Spanish Misplaced Pages account. Instead you got a new account with the same name as the unified account. —teb728 t c 05:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way I can get one or the other renamed (I'd like to rename this one) and have it work? I know that it's possible to move edits, as is done when renaming users, and it wouldn't be too hard to move my user pages to the new ones. (Yes, this post is from my other account.) ベリット 06:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Try posting a request at Misplaced Pages:Changing username/SUL. It might be necessary to ununify your accounts first, but I should think they could handle that there too if you persuade them both accounts are you. —teb728 t c 23:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

"Encore Suites" page

Hello,

There is currently a page live for Encore Las Vegas that is titled "Encore Suites": http://en.wikipedia.org/Encore_Suites.

This is the incorrect name of the hotel and while we are able to edit other information, we are not able to edit the title. How would we go about correcting the title?

Thank you!

When a title is incorrect, assuming your account is at least 4 days old, you can click the "move" tab at the top of the page to move it to a new name and leave the old page as a redirect to the new one. B3llit0 (talk) 01:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Tag requested

Hello. There two articles, A. B. Swindell & Abaidas, that I think deserves more biographical information on it. Is there anybody considerate enough that will side with me and place a tag on them?--Archaeopteryx (talk) 01:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well they both have stub templates and {{expand}} so not sure what else can be done until someone plunges in and add more details. – ukexpat (talk) 01:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) I added {{expand}} to the two articles, for what little good it will do. The way Misplaced Pages functions is that articles are added to when a volunteer interested in the subject, and with the ability and motivation to expand, happens by. The expand tags do add the articles to Category:Articles to be expanded, but I don't know that anyone really acts based on that category. The project, Misplaced Pages:Pages needing attention apparently at one time took an active role in acting on that category but it is defunct.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, how does Misplaced Pages decide that a project is defunct? Is all it takes just one editor adding the {{history}} tag, as happened at Pages needing attention here? — Sebastian 02:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah.... that pretty much how it works, although if a tag does get slapped on and is not removed in over six months its a pretty good bet that the page/process is no longer used. {{historical}}'s are sometimes doled out at MfD's though and those tags could be considered to have more weight. Icewedge (talk) 02:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Fishery templates

The fishery articles use a number of fishery templates to form a somewhat hierarchical network across the articles. Since these have been installed, the traffic for fishery articles has much increased, particularly for the lower level articles. However, every now and then, someone comes along, and wants, usually without discussion, to introduce their own idea of layout, or simply removes templates or pushes them out of the way. Sometimes editors come along who seem malicious. Is there some forum where I can get these issues properly considered by capable editors without axes to grind? --Geronimo20 (talk) 02:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I noticed you are a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing - why not bring it up there? WikiProjects are ideal when you need to discuss such things with the big picture in view. — Sebastian 02:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I see, you've already done that, and it seems you feel that the discussion is getting nowhere. My impression is that this is because there seem to be only two editors involved. Are there no more editors in this project that could help you find a compromise? If not, you could maybe ask for a third opinion or any of the other paths listed at WP:Dispute Resolution. — Sebastian 02:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is the problem. The discussion you mentioned was with an editor who is not a member of the project. The trouble is that there is currently only one other (occasional) active member. Right now, there is an insufficient support base for fisheries, which means the project templates can be vulnerable to an editor bent on his/her way, but with no commitment to what is best for the project. Which is precisely what is happening with another editor right now. --Geronimo20 (talk) 03:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I'm forwarding a question I posted here, cheers. Ryan4314 (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• Category:Misplaced Pages administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles should answer your question. Most administrators not in that category will also consider your request unless the material is a direct copyright violation or attack page. - 87.211.75.45 (talk) 06:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

List of documentary films

I am going to try and get this List of documentary films to featured list status. When I start with the table I am not going to complete it in a day or probably a week or 2, Do you think it is a good idea to copy the page like I have here so it would not look really messy for a while or just edit it on it current page.--intraining 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If you are worried about the way it looks, you could do it one letter at time. Juzhong (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• There is no problem with working on a temporary copy in your userspace. Just make sure that if you copy it back, you consider intervening edits and if someone edited it on your userpage that you include their name in the edit history. Mgm| 10:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yep sure thing, By adding their user names to the edit history do you mean add them to the edit summary?. thanks--intraining 10:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• Either merge the histories, or link them in the edit summary along with time and date and summary of what they did. - Mgm| 11:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

O.K Thanks for your help.--intraining 11:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Date de-linking

After the dates on an article have been de-linked, is it still possible to switch all of the date formats (1 July 2008 ← → July 1, 2008) on an article at once, or does this have to be done manually? (Reason I ask is that Amelia Earhart should have American-style dates.) AlexiusHoratius 12:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If dates are delinked, then they should be manually edited for consistency using the proper local style. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 12:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

So it is not possible to use that automated de-linking script to reverse the format once the dates have been de-linked? AlexiusHoratius 12:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Lightmouse has a script that can assist in this task. Rjwilmsi 17:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Shaun Costello

I am Shaun Costello, and a few days ago I was told that my listing page, which has been on Misplaced Pages for years in various forms, had disappeared. It turns out that someone with the user name "Fram", who lives in Belgium, took it upon himself to delete my page, apparently for no reason whatsoever. At least no reason that I could determine from the information available. How can something like this happen? Are the lunatics running the asylum? Is there no system in place to prevent frivolous actions taken by users who, on a whim, can add or delete what they wish? Is there anyone responsible at Misplaced Pages who can correct this action? It seems preposterous that people, hiding behind silly pseudonyms, can take actions without fear of reprisal. Perhaps people like your Mr "Fram" should be forced to use their real names during their Misplaced Pages related activities, so that they can be held accountable. Thank you, Shaun Costello/My real name —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaun Costello (talk • contribs) 12:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The page has been speedy deleted as an Attack page or negative unsourced biography of a living person (see here). Please note that this is for the protection of the subject of that article, and not just because the admin fancies it. Please read WP:BLP for our policy on biographies. You can ask about this at User talk:Fram if you want, and you can request a copy of the deleted article too. The article can be recreated with proper references. Cheers. Chamal 12:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Head Title

If I started one article named "Abc def", where I made an error and want to change the "d" to a big letter, how do I edit the head title? --Nicoliani (talk) 12:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• You can rename an article by moving it. If your account is old enough and you made at least 10 edits you should have a move tab available, if not, you can ask a more experienced wikipedian to do it. - Mgm| 12:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Templated category

How can you find out which template has a specific category in it again? -- Mentisock 13:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean which categories are associated with a template, such that adding a template to a page places it in a certain category? TN‑X-Man 17:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I mean categories that are implemented in templates. Category:Wikipedian drummers for example: if it doesn't tell you the template that categorizes the user is there any way of tracing the template? -- Mentisock 17:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I would assume that when a user adds {{user drums}} to their user page, they are automatically added to the category. Same thing happens with most user boxes. – ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

In fact, in the code for {{user drums}} you will see this:

<includeonly>{{{category|]}}}</includeonly><noinclude>]</noinclude>

which is the category code. – ukexpat (talk) 17:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict x a bunch)Exactly. You can see which categories are added by templates by viewing the code for the template. See ]. TN‑X-Man 17:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

No... what I mean is, how can you trace Category:Wikipedian drummers to {{user drums}} (if you didn't know of the template)? This is like a conventional case of WhatLinksHere but since categorizing a page is neither a link nor a transclusion etc. I don't think it's easy to trace a template. (This is like saying, do you know if there are any more templates with <includeonly>]</includeonly> also adding to the category page?) -- Mentisock 20:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe you can use "what links here". Just change the namespace from "all" to "template". It appears there are six or seven templates that include that category. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 20:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

That's only because they actually link to the category though. There are many templates which simply categorize. -- Mentisock 09:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Well in that particular case if you go to Category:Wikipedian drummers, the user box is there at the top of the cat page, which indicates that that is the relevant template. – ukexpat (talk) 21:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm talking about - there doesn't seem to be an easy way to trace unknown templates even if they exist. -- Mentisock 09:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

User Pages and Deletion of Comments

Just out of interest does a user own their user-talk page in the sense that they can choose to delete any and all comments left on it by other users- be it vandalism, warnings or just general feedback? How much control does a user have over their talk page- is it even theirs or is it part of the project and required to be kept for records sake? Gavin (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

See WP:UP#OWN and the subsections under it. You can remove warnings and messages on your talk page, but you do not own it. In fact, the removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. For the records, it will always be on the page history so no harm done. Cheers. Chamal 14:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

It is pretty well accepted that by deleting comments, you are acknowledging that you have read them. Doing so while engaged in an ongoing discussion can be seen as uncivil. Records are maintained through the page history; my recommendation is to move closed dialogs to an archive page, I archive by year. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 14:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I ask because I know a user who is removing every comment on his page regardless of whether it is abuse, friendly or anything in between. He's doing it as a response to some bad experiences he's had, he seems abit down- I told him to snap out of it but he took it as an attack...anyway is it contravening policy to just delete everything on a talk page... Gavin (talk) 14:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

(ec) On the other hand, persistently commenting on the talk page of a user who clearly doesn't want to receive your messages can also be seen as incivil or harrassment. And on the third hand, editors are expected to be willing and able to engage in a reasonable amount of civil discussion about their edits should a dispute arise. It's all about context.

Of course, this sort of question – while usually presented here or at AN(/I) in a general sort of way – usually contemplates a specific situation with a specific editor. You'd probably get a better answer with an open description of the situation. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I need to see a comparison of Mobile Phones Operating Systems

I need to see a comparison of Mobile Phones Operating Systems and I couldn't find a page about that on wikipedia. Is there something that I can do to get that information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmedhesham3 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.  – ukexpat (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

There is Category:Mobile phone operating systems, though it doesn't offer a direct comparison.--A bit iffy (talk) 16:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Rollback Userbox

How do I get the userbox that says "This user has English rollback rights" or something like that? HairyPerry 15:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Here you go

This user has rollback rights on the English Misplaced Pages. (verify)

.--intraining 15:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. HairyPerry 15:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it!!--intraining 15:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You can also check out more userboxes at WP:USERBOX#Gallery. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 15:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh wait, there is one other question I have. How do I get the box that goes in the corner of your userpage that when you click on it, it says this User has rollback rights in English Misplaced Pages, like ThinkBlue has on hers. HairyPerry 15:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

{{rollbacker}}. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

image display

Logo on page suddenly does not appear.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtfr (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure what you're asking. Which logo does not appear on which page? TN‑X-Man 16:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

On Weatherford International logo suddenly no longer appears http://en.wikipedia.org/Weatherford_International —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtfr (talk • contribs) 16:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)My guess is that it's Weatherford International, but the logo displays for me. – ukexpat (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I see the logo as well. It may be an issue with your browser and/or browser settings. TN‑X-Man 16:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree with comments above, if you mean the image in the infobox on the top right of the page. Perhaps you may try clearing your cache? --PeaceNT (talk) 16:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I cleared the cache/cokkies and it still does not display. Previously it was visible now its not. Do you know what the browser setting should be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtfr (talk • contribs) 16:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Did you try a purge as well? – ukexpat (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes Thanks must of been the browser settings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtfr (talk • contribs) 16:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

HOUSE OF PAIN disambiguation

The Wikepedia info on HOUSE OF PAIN is focused on a former rock band that has been out of business for years.

All current rights to the term HOUSE OF PAIN are owned by Ironwear International, Inc., dba HOUSE OF PAIN. Since May of 1996; HOUSE OF PAIN has been a sportswear company targeting weightlifters and MMA fighters. The company HOUSE OF PAIN is based in Texas, with worldwide distribution, as seen at www.houseofpain.com .

The term 'HOUSE OF PAIN' is trademarked extensively (in USA and European Countries) by Ironwear International, Inc. The only currently valid Trademarkes for the term HOUSE OF PAIN (some of which were issued in 2000, 2001, and 2008) are wholly owned by this sportswear company (Ironwear International, Inc.).

This HOUSE OF PAIN information is far more current than that on a disbanded musical group, and as such - it should be listed under 'House Of Pain' (at least in the disambiguation section). We are not trying to market or sell via Wikepedia, but it is an infringment of our TM to not even list the company who owns the legal rights (TM & C) to the phrase HOUSE OF PAIN. How can we correct this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RickBrewer (talk • contribs) 16:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

In order for your company to be listed on the disambiguation page, there must be an article on the company first. Users are usually encouraged not to start articles where they may have a conflict of interest, but you can certainly suggest the article be created, either by working with an established editor or working on the article in a sandbox and asking others to review it. Before getting started, you may want to review this guide on companies and this guide on sourcing. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 16:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

And also Your first article and Spam. – ukexpat (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You should also read up on trademark law. A trademark for a line of clothing gives you no rights over somebody else's historic use of the same word(s) in a different context; ask Apple Inc. or the manufacturers of Life (cereal). --Orange Mike | Talk 15:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Block

Why is the page Virgin Killer blocked for UK users? --Teacake Martyr (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

See Internet Watch Foundation and Misplaced Pages. -- Mentisock 17:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Inserting Images and Catagorizing in Commons

I am having trouble inserting an image into an article(even after reading the help desk archives). I thought the problem had to do with the fact that when I uploaded the picture I accidentally forgot to categorize it. Question #1- Does an image have to be in a category before it can be inserted in an article? I went back and re-uploaded the image, this time putting it in the appropriate categories, and selected it to replace the original photo that I uploaded. But... what I found is that the image as it exists is the Gallery is still listed as "Usage-Media needing categories as of 8 Deccember..." even though under "File History" the "Current" image does list the categories under "Comments."

The image I am trying to use is: Image:Hongcun. willis.jpg. Can I delete the old un-categorized image since it is only a double of the original and can only cause confusion? If the image does not have to be categorized then what else could be the cause for the image not appearing in the article? I have simply copied the format that I have seen works for other articles where there are images, that is:

         |image_name       =
         |image_size       =

where I wanted the photo to appear. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Leforain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leforain (talk • contribs) 18:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You misspelled the name of the 'image' parameter. It is 'image' not 'image_name'. I fixed it in Willis Barnstone. —teb728 t c 18:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I should add that the documentation of the parameters is at Template:Infobox person. —teb728 t c 18:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The image page (on Commons) does not appear to show that the uploader is indeed the copyright owner, so there may be a problem there. – ukexpat (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks TEB!!! I appreciate your putting up the image for me. Can you tell me if an image needs to be categorized before putting in article? Thanks again ```` Leforain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leforain (talk • contribs) 19:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't need that. —teb728 t c 20:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem you ran into is a lack of consistency among templates. Don't assume that the parameter for one template will work in another. Read the documentation. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 21:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

IP Blocking indefinity for proxies

Does IP will be blocking indefinity in this wikipedia in case of proxy??

Japanese version of Misplaced Pages has block a batch of IPs for proxies and has a period to make it regular??

Why can you blocking IPs for indefinity? 219.68.144.123 (talk) 19:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If I understand your question, you would like to know why Misplaced Pages blocks open proxies? If that's the case, you may want to check out WP:Open proxies. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 19:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I think they're asking "are open proxy IPs blocked indefinitely?" in which case the answer is almost never. Xenon54 (Frohe Feiertage!) 19:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

私わ日本語を話します。日本語に質問を書きなさい下さい。ベリット 01:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Functions to manipulate strings in templates

Hello, I wish to know whether there is any function to manipulate strings of text (e.g. to extract a substring from another parametric string). Actually, I have found this, but it is stated that this extension is not active in Wiki projects. Does anyone know about alternative ways to manipulate strings valid in WP? Thank you. --Ysogo (talk) 22:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Presumably you have read Help:ParserFunctions and examined the installed extensions in Special:Version. You might get a useful answer sooner if you describe the goal, not just the step. If you tell us what you are really trying to accomplish, maybe someone can suggest an alternative approach that will work. --Teratornis (talk) 02:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

wiki home pages

Greetings,

I truly enjoy reading wikipedia's daily homepage. Often I would like to get back to a wiki homepage days later to refresh what i read. Is it possible to read previous day's wiki-stories of the day?

Thank you 23:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.173.25 (talk)

While you can't easily recover a previous Main Page (because it's made up of templates), each Main Page feature has its own archive.

• For On This Day, there's an archive at WP:OTD.
• For In The News, you can look at the template history.
• Previous Did you know? entries can be found at WP:DYKA.
• Previous Featured Articles are found at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/December 2008.
• Likewise with Picture of The Day: Misplaced Pages:Picture of the day/December 2008.

I hope this helps! Xenon54 (Frohe Feiertage!) 00:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you can see Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Yesterday. Cheers, –Juliancolton 02:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

December 10

Login question

DearWik' I have done everything the login page asked me to yet I cannot create a new account, which I am. It always says there is a login error with the confirmation code. What the heck is the login code? and how do I put the right one in? I have copied the phrase well. What's wrong? Garrett P Edmands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.10.100 (talk) 01:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Directly above where it asks for Username, there is a text box. Above the text box is an image containing a distorted word. If you have images blocked for any reason, you will not see this image. You must view the image and type the word into the box. This is not anything unique to Misplaced Pages. See captcha for an explanation of what it is and why it is used. -- kainaw™ 03:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Make sure you have scripts and anything else enabled that could make the login code not appear.

Ertemplin (talk) 04:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

New messages

Hi, I use internet explorer 7 on a windows computer and whenever it says that i have new messages on the main page, it won't let me click any of the links in the orange box. I can click "my talk" and get there, and I can click within the orange box on other pages, but not the main page. Thanks, Hazelorb (talk) 04:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Template date autoformatting

At Elmer Gedeon, {{cite news}} is doing some autoformatting while {{cite web}} does not. Thus the Elmer_Gedeon#Notes section looks inconsistently formatted. Is there something that can be done?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Official links in infobox and external links

I frequently wondered if it really is the intended practice to have the official site of a company / product / institution linked twice in the same article: Once in the infobox and once under "external links". I personally (coming from a DMOZ editors point of view) consider that duplicated information without added value. I read WP:EL and some of the linked documents, but could not find what I am looking for.

See for example Eudora_(e-mail_client) or Google. --Windharp (talk) 07:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

In a typical infobox almost everything duplicates information elsewhere in the article. I am not a fan of infoboxes for this reason, but the consensus is in favor of them. —teb728 t c 08:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• It's not just done with companies, but also in infoboxes of places (if they have a website) and people. - 131.211.211.61 (talk) 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, so that's intentional. Thanks TEB --Windharp (talk) 13:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Bar with buttons missing

How come I can no longer see the edit buttons above the edit box? I figured that perhaps the images were broken, but I can't click there either. Also, I have an extra button.js running. But that only removes buttons if it actually works... Any ideas? I'd like my citation button back in particular... =- Mgm| 09:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried restarting? I think that happened for me a while back, and that solved the problem. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 09:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• I haven't, but I'll try it. - Mgm| 09:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
• Hmmm, didn't work. I guess I'll have to use another machine in the future then.. - Mgm| 10:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

You might try checking your preference settings. Go to the link "My preferences" at the top of the page and then click "Editing" tab in the box. Make sure the box before "Show edit toolbar (JavaScript)" is checked, then save. This will probably solve your problem. You might also check to be sure your Java is enabled and updated. (I updated this answer once but apparently lost the change in an edit conflict. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

right aligned thumbnails push down table

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I could not find a solution. This page shows my problem. A list of thumbnails (aligned right) I created in the first heading pushes down the tables in a following heading. How can I solve this? Thank you. Merikilpikonna (talk) 11:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Basically, you need to tinker with sizing, placement and alignment of the images and text in the article. You may need to use a gallery table for the images. At present, they are overwhelming the rest of the article with their size vs. the size of the content before the table. If the software works like it does here, you can experiment with font size in the tables as well. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

thank you for the quick answer! I would like to have the thumbs just run down on the right all the way, because they are supposed to show chronological progress of the design. Is that not possible or not advisable? If not I will have a look into the gallery thing. However the person who set up the wiki did not even include simple classes like wikitable, which is a bit of a pain. Merikilpikonna (talk) 11:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I figured it out. Your comment on font size gave me the idea of taking out width=90% and that helped. thank you.Merikilpikonna (talk) 11:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure. I just happened to stop in. It looks much better! Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick point: the page in question is not a Misplaced Pages project. While we are always happy to help where appropriate, projects other than English Misplaced Pages are technically outside the scope of the Help desk. – ukexpat (talk) 14:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

That's technically true, but it only starts to matter when a question requires work to answer. If someone would have to actually lift a finger to answer a question, well then it had better be for Misplaced Pages. --Teratornis (talk) 09:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, the Wikimedia Foundation gives away the MediaWiki software, and I believe Misplaced Pages stands to benefit if MediaWiki becomes a widely-used software standard. Potentially millions of people could learn MediaWiki editing and administration skills on other wikis, and then come to Misplaced Pages and make some contributions. As long as the "other wiki" questions don't get too far out of hand, I don't see the harm in entertaining the low number we get on the Help desk. However, the fact that other wiki users occasionally come to the Misplaced Pages Help desk illustrates how critical a user community is to a wiki's success. Those other wikis should have their own Help desks, and when they don't it's probably because their user communities are small. Only a low percentage of users would have any interest in staffing a Help desk, so it takes an enormous user community to translate that low percentage into a viable number of helpers. The English Misplaced Pages has 48,548,138 registered user accounts, and probably only a few dozen of them monitor the Help desk at any given time. Those of us who answer questions here must be some pretty unusual people. --Teratornis (talk) 09:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Help finding a template

I'm just looking for a template I've seen used before. It is placed on the talk page when news/newspapers/magazine/etc. prints a mention of a Misplaced Pages article on a subject. I've seen it before, but I'm not finding it anywhere. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

{{Onlinesource}} is the general one, also see {{High traffic}}. Nanonic (talk) 12:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

See also, {{press}} or {{pressmulti}} -- GateKeeper @ 12:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Request lost in limbo?

No one has helped me with my request posted on this page, most likely because my request is lost in limbo -- too current to be archived, but not current enough to still be posted on this page. How is anybody supposed to help those of us who posted on this page during the first week of December? Minaker (talk) 14:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay! What was your question? We'll do our best to help. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 15:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The page for article expansion has been archived and more or less abandoned. So if I think there is an article that needs help, where do I post such a request? Minaker (talk) 15:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

If there is an article due for deletion that you think can be rescued you might want to see the people over at Misplaced Pages:Article Rescue Squadron..--intraining 15:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I can see your previous question as a diff and it is archived here: Misplaced Pages:Help desk/Archives/2008 December 3#Request for Work on Article but for some reason Misplaced Pages:Help desk/Archives shows no link to the month of December yet. To respond to your last comment, of course a person cannot usefully contribute to an article he or she knows nothing about, which is why I said it's fun to contribute to articles I initially know nothing about. On Misplaced Pages, the whole name of the game is finding reliable sources. We don't write articles based on our knowledge of subjects, because that would tend to become original work. Instead, we try to only write what has already been published elsewhere. Thus on Misplaced Pages it is often more fruitful to start with some sources and find articles to add them to, rather than pick some arbitrary article and try to improve it. To give a concrete example, I am interested in Wind power, so I browse and search the Web for reputable articles on the subject, and when I find some interesting well-sourced fact, I look for a suitable article on Misplaced Pages where I can plug it in (with a footnote citation). This is, of course, backwards from the way most people approach things, and that is one reason why Misplaced Pages can become frustrating for some people. If you get locked into the idea of improving a certain article, and you don't know how to do it, that's like fixating on any sort of unattainable goal. It doesn't make sense to do on Misplaced Pages when there are so many articles that you are able to improve. There is a lot of low-hanging fruit on Misplaced Pages, no matter who you are. Just learn how to do one thing, for example to clean up sloppy references and put them into citation templates. Then you can browse around articles at random and apply that one type of fix. When thousands of people do that sort of thing, each one focusing on a few things they like to do, then collectively the whole encyclopedia tends to improve. This untargeted improvement is the great strength of a wiki, and it is the opposite of traditional, institutionalized, top-down, command-and-control thinking. --Teratornis (talk) 10:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Teratornis: I certainly appreciate the time it must have taken to write such a long response. But the whole point that I brought up is that I came to Misplaced Pages to learn about a topic, and I was thwarted by the lack of information. All I want to know is where to post a request for improving an article, since the place where people used to do that no longer exists. Right now, as far as I know there is no way to get the general Misplaced Pages community to find out about an article that is sorely lacking information; my only recourse seems to be to try researching elsewhere, which is fine, but doesn't say much for Misplaced Pages. Your suggestion to try improving unrelated articles seems to have nothing to do with this dilemma; it certainly doesn't help me at all, and really seems to be a tangent if not an outright change of subject. Minaker (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried posting to the talk page of one of the several wikiprojects listed on the article's talk page? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

A recent attempt to attack your computer was blocked

See Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#Intrusion attempts on edit pages? -please continue the discussion in that message thread. Thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Norton is whining that Misplaced Pages is attempting to download a "suspicious pdf," automatically blocks something, and says "An intrusion attempt by en.wikipedia.org was blocked." Whiskey tango? SDY (talk) 16:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Leaking info while in SSL mode?

While browsing SSL wiki, it includes lots of non-SSL images from upload.wikimedia.org (e.g. icons and images on the page)

When fetching those images, does the referer tag (and indeed, the image locations) mean you're sending unencrypted information about which pages page you're looking at in the SSL session? (data which would otherwise be hidden from anyone sniffing on your network) Ojw (talk) 18:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think this was discussed before, probably on the Village Pump/Technical. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 02:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

New Message message

Why isn't mine clickable? Grsz 19:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, someone posted that above, but there were no answers. I'm not sure, as I've been able to click mine. Have you tried purging your cache, restarting your browser, etc.? Cheers! TN‑X-Man 19:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's been like that for a couple of days. Grsz 19:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I must say, I'm at a loss. :( However, the village pump may be able to help (unless someone here know?). I don't see any relevant posts at the pump, so I'm not sure if this is something other editors are experiencing. Best of luck! TN‑X-Man 19:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• What browser do you use? - Mgm| 19:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

IE. 19:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, works now. Grsz 21:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Font Question

All of the font on Misplaced Pages got smaller, How do I increase the size of the font back to normal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.87.212.247 (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hold control and use your center mouse scroll. Grsz 21:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit went wrong...

Last night I made a couple of small updates to the article on Victoria Pendleton - namely I added her new pro team to the template. When I checked back on it today, it appears I inadvertently undid a few previous edits, which themselves had removed mistakes and junk information. If you compare 18:00 5th December 2008 revision to the 23:01 9th December one you'll see what I mean (it was only line 16 I intended to change).

I've undone my own edits again tonight, got it back to how it was before I laid my hands on it, then re-did what I set out to do, and it looks OK now. But I haven't a clue how I cocked it up yesterday. Can anyone advse before I do it again?

Thanks Iain Iainjones1980 (talk) 22:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Most likely, you were viewing an old version of the page when you clicked "edit this page"; I know that still happens to me occasionally. --barneca (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

It looks like it was this version based on the diff. Note the warning at top when you edit an old version. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

First post just got removed, need guidance

Hi,

I'm the Web guy at Vision Solutions, Inc. I typed in our name to see if there is an entry and there was nothing. So to help, I copied the About Us text from our Web site, and put in some links to 3rd parties like the operating systems we provide products for (AIX, IBM i, Windows).

I got an email saying my post was bad and it can't be accepted. What advice do you have? Can you view the short content that I tried to post and tell me what's wrong with it?

I also noticed that there is no entry for the category of solutions we provide - Diaster Recovery software. So I started to create an entry for that, and planned to cross link back to our Vision Solution, Inc. page. I decided to bag it since I just got the notice that my first posting about Vision was denied.

This is my first posting, the information is helpful, so I'm already discouraged about the process. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Visionsolutions (talk • contribs) 22:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. You see, the thing is, Misplaced Pages is an enyclopedia. You have a declared conflict of interest which is a bad thing for an encyclopedia that presents a neutral point of view about things. Anything your company does is not necesairally notable and writing about it can be considered spam which is not to good. We can't empasise enough about this place being an enyclopedia, not the yellow pages or a list of what every company does. If you click the blue links that may help, as migh the links on this page although I appreciate the article on your company exists. Pedro :  Chat  22:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Also (1) the text from the "About us" page of the website is almost certainly copyright material and adding it to an article on WP is in breach of WP's copyright policy; (2) you user name is almost certainly in breach of WP's user name policy; (3) if you want to recreate the article, please do so in a user subpage, where you can work on it in relative safety from speedy deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Vision Solutions, Inc. has now been speedily deleted per WP:CSD#A7. – ukexpat (talk) 04:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

There is a lot of good info at the Business FAQ. —teb728 t c 05:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

It should also be noted that this account has been blocked from editing Misplaced Pages because the name is that of a business (a forbidden thing) and all of your edits seemed calculated to publicize your company. The purpose of Misplaced Pages is to provide impartial, unbiased verifiable information from reliable third-party sources; we do not provide an advertising venue. If Vision Solutions is in fact a notable company, somebody without a conflict of interest will eventually write an article about you. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a note Orange Mike, but the article on Vision Solutions had existed since the middle of 2006 and was not created by this (now blocked) editor. Pedro :  Chat  15:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Help with infobox publisher

Originally I had posted a message here, but it told me to post on this page instead. Accordingly...

Is there a template wizard who can help me with {{infobox publisher}}? The country of origin parameter isn't showing up even though its filled out. Also, there were originally two documents - infobox publisher and infobox Publisher (capital P), I redirected the latter to the former, but lost some fields in the process (here is the diff and here is the previous version). WLU (t) (c) 22:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The Country of Origin field responds to "country = ...", not "country of origin = ..." as it's currently listed on the /doc page. Xenon54 (Frohe Feiertage!) 23:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

lovely, thanks! WLU (t) (c) 00:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

December 11

Account deletion

• I have created an account in error (0 edits) and would like to delete it so I can create another, with a similar name (this is not possible while the original remains in existence). Can this be done? Bastie (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Account deletion is not possible, but changing username is possible. It seems that is what you really want. —teb728 t c 04:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like the OP made a post on a user talk page of an account that is registerd with no edits. Usurpation is probably possible. Grsz 05:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

^^ that was my first choice for a new name but it has been taken. The account I'm asking about here is completely different. Bastie (talk) 05:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

The fact that it has been taken doesn't mean you can't usurp it. That's just what usurpation is. —teb728 t c 05:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see, thanks for your help. Bastie (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

avoiding a bot

I am trying to add an external link, but a bot keeps removing it.

How can I prevent the bot from removing my link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercurye (talk • contribs) 02:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Your links are blacklisted, as they are inappropriate to be linked to. I can't comment much more than that, but I'm sure somebody else can. Grsz 02:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but actually my specific site isn't blacklisted. However, my server also offers blogs, and there appears to be a sweeping blacklisting of the blogs and everything else from that server.

I received an automated Wiki note that I could "revert the bot," but I have no idea how to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercurye (talk • contribs) 02:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Please read our guidelines for external links. Misplaced Pages is not a collection of links. I have reviewed your links, and I believe they are inappropriate. They add little if any value to the articles; they are just on the general subject of ventriloquism. The fact that you add the same link to multiple articles is a pretty clear indication that you are spamming. In answer to your question of how to avoid removal of your links: don’t add them in the first place. —teb728 t c 04:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

envci sci

what would it take to human development to be truly sustainable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.84.115.240 (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

This forum is for help on how to use Misplaced Pages. In order use Misplaced Pages for general questions like that, ask at the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk, or search for information in articles. —teb728 t c 04:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Be sure to make it a meaningful question, by specifying for how long. Human development is almost certainly sustainable for the next ten minutes. Maybe even for the next ten years. Beyond that, who knows. If humans continue to evolve like other mammal species, then human development is probably not sustainable for more than a few million years, because few mammal species persist that long. One thing is for certain: if human population continues to grow exponentially at the current rate, that growth is not sustainable for more than a few thousand years, because at the current rate of population increase, the mass of humans will exceed the mass of the observable universe by then. Even with super-duper space travel technology, we'll just run out of atoms that we can convert into more people. Unless maybe someone figures out how to start colonizing parallel universes. --Teratornis (talk) 09:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

First Post

how do i make a post on wikipedia??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suzie0520 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

You just did. This help desk is on Misplaced Pages and you posted a questions. Perhaps you are trying to create a new article.

Before creating an article, please search Misplaced Pages first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.. -- kainaw™ 04:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Re-inserting deleted article

If my article was deleted, and I did some changes to fit the post criteria, how can I re-insert it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcoulises (talk • contribs) 12:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I presume you're referring to EKN which was deleted by User talk:Akradecki as "blatant advertising". To get it into article namespace again, you need to move it but I would recommend leaving a note at the deleting admin's talk page first. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 12:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

• To avoid having it deleted again, the best course of action would be to put the new version on a subpage of your userpage like User:Marcoulises/Sandbox and ask a more experienced editor to doublecheck to make sure your work truly meets the criteria. After that, you can move it to the right place (if you're autoconfirmed (4 days, 10 edits)) or an experienced user can move the page for you after they checked it. - Mgm| 12:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Unified Login with Wiktionary removed editing privilege

A few weeks ago I unified my Misplaced Pages login with Wiktionary. I did not realise that Wiki login is case senstive and used login 'MonoApe' instead of 'Monoape'. My 'new' login does not have editing privileges for semi-protected pages, even though I unified several weeks ago. How can I fix this, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MonoApe (talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

You have had this account for more than a month, but autoconfirmed status requires that you also make at least ten edits. Since you have now done this, you should now be able to edit semiprotected pages (assuming you do not use TOR). Algebraist 14:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Typical! I wasn't aware of the 10 edit limit and it just switched over. Thanks for your help. MonoApe (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Template Pages

Are there Template: pages where the content is like {{yada yada yada}} and {{thingamabober}}?

So in the Template: page, it would look something like:

{{yada yada yada}}
{{thingamabober}}

96.53.149.117 (talk) 15:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

{{I don't understand your question, please clarify}}  – ukexpat (talk) 15:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

If you mean whether a template can use other templates then the answer is yes. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Please answer

--Treanna2011 (talk) 15:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)How do you add a search???

I have no idea what you are asking. Please clarify your question. Algebraist 15:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Misplaced Pages:Searching is of help. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Album cover images in discographies

The discography at Bardo Pond includes album cover images. I've seen other discographies where these have been removed because they are deemed not to be fair use in galleries. So I think this should be done for the album cover images in this article too, although I don't want to do it myself. --Richardrj 16:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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