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Evidence presented by Jossi

I can see that despite my request to be removed as a party, I gather that the ArbCom has decided not to accept my request. Well, I have no evidence to present as I have not been involved in editing these articles; my only interaction in this regard were a couple of comments at WP:AE. If during the course of this arbitration, I find anything useful to offer, I surely will. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Justallofthem

Cirt fabricated material from unreliable source(s)

Cirt added (here) an utterly WP:OR misrepresentation of tabloid material that was, in itself, questionable to start with. Blatant "errors" include use of an article in MAGWATCH, which appears to be a column about gossip mags. This article is entitled "A ring of truth, but only about the lies (emphasis added)" which should give any editor pause before quoting from it; engaging in WP:OR generalization to invent that "Scientology has "sex lessons" which can be given to couples" when the article is clearly about Tom and Kate, not about Scientology in general; disregarding WP:BLP; failing to see if there is any other reliable source that mentions Scientologists taking "sex lessons". There is not and there are no such in Scientology; oh, and calling it "one of the more notable headlines" is a definite reach. The article simply calls it one of "a slew of blaring headlines" about Katie that indicate that she is popular fodder for the gossip mags.

Cirt takes a one-sided approach to the validity of sources

My experience with Cirt is that he, like most critics of Scientology, operates by the rule "Scientologists lie, Scientology critics tell the truth". He is welcome to believe that but realize please that is a totally POV stance. Someone from the Scientology side with an equally inflexible POV would say the exact opposite. I refer specifically to Cirt unbalanced treatment of two roughly analogous sources, a Scientologist's site and a critic's site. I brought up that issue at Talk:Scientology and sex:

Lermanet vs. Scientologymyths - Different exactly how?

The DeWolf affidavit was previously linked to (www.freewebtown.com/luana/rondewolf-july87.pdf) here to a site that has been reported as an "attack site" as in malware of some sort. I do not believe the malware report was on the specific file(s) in question but rather on the site overall, freewebtown.com (incidentally, I just checked and it seems fine now). Cirt removed the link, here, citing "rm sources which link to attack site, dubious site anyways". I agree with that on both counts. For the sake of our discussion here I performed a Google search and found the document on the scientologymyths.info site. Cirt said of that site "But these particular sites being linked to are dubious, and written by certain individuals from within the Church of Scientology tasked for certain specific purposes. Not reliable sites, not even safe sites." When Jayen brought up the analogous Lerma site, Cirt's comment was "Ref 8 is not an "attack site", though it is self-published. Could be a matter for discussion at WP:RSN, however." I want to compare these site and Cirt's analysis of each. To me they are exactly analogous and I find Cirt's reluctance to deal with them equivalently disturbing and again indicative of an overpowering POV issue.

1. Cirt alludes that the Scientologymyths site is "not even safe". This is flatly untrue. The freewebtown site was listed as unsafe yesterday but seems OK now. Scientologymyths is not an unsafe site.
2. Cite says that Scientologymyths is "written by certain individuals from within the Church of Scientology tasked for certain specific purposes". What proof does he have of that claim that he presents so boldly as an accomplished fact?
3. And finally my main concern. Cirt see ScientologyMyths archives of primary material deserving of summary removal as "dubious" yet thinks the same sort of material on Lerma "Could be a matter for discussion at WP:RSN" but meanwhile I guess it remains in the article. This is disturbing to me. Arnaldo Lerma is a known enemy of Scientology. My challenge to Cirt, or anyone for that matter, is to show why the Lerma site should be treated any differently than the ScientologyMyths site.

Spammed "Warning"

Cirt is making unsubstantiated claims about the Scientologymyths.info site. Cirt has made a number of unsubstantiated claims about this site so as to undermine its credibility and has spammed his "warning" across multiple talk pages. As far as I am aware, Cirt has never done anything like this with a site critical of Scientology; this is clearly POV-motivated. I ask Cirt to back his claims up or remove the "warning". He has stated the following about the Scientologymyths site:

1. written by certain individuals from within the Church of Scientology tasked for certain specific purposes (diff)
2. scientologymyths site is run by the same organization that runs the religiousfreedomwatch attack site. (diff)
3. scientologymyths.info is run by the same organization (diff) Organization?

Cirt has ignored my previous requests to source those sort of statements and instead has spammed this unsubstantiated "warning" on (at least) the below talk pages:

• Talk:Free Zone (Scientology)
• Talk:Scientology and sex
• Talk:L. Ron Hubbard

Scientologymyths does not present itself as an official voice of the Church, please see here:

"I am a Scientologist, working, and I use my spare time to run this blog and the website scientologymyths.info. I live in Los Angeles, California/USA."

Cirt appears to be trying to tar the site. I asked that he provide a source or remove the warnings but he did not do so, instead repeating his unsubstantiated claim.

Aggressive checkuser fishing and misrepresentation

I find Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Highfructosecornsyrup and Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS of concern. No evidence is presented other than vague supposition. Also Cirt consistently misrepresents the findings of the COFS arbitration with his conjoined "Shutterbug/Misou" and his prior (rude) reference to Shutterbug as Church of Scientology (which I objected to here and which was my entrance point on realizing that Cirt had perhaps not reformed after all). There were no findings that which gave any official status to COFS (Shutterbug) or established any connection between COFS (Shutterbug) and Misou other than that they accessed the same proxy server.

Cirt engages in obstructionism and WP:OWN

Cirt routinely "protects" his favorite version of articles against constructive edits. Here he reverts a valid edit by TaborG with the edit summary approp wording as reviewed fm FA. The FA author himself came next to edit the section to address TaborG's valid concern. Note that Cirt has previously reverted edits (here) of valid concern by TaborG with little explanation on Cirt's part and no effort to address those concerns.

Evidence presented by Spidern

Two Church of Scientology-owned IPs are closely related to Shutterbug

As seen in two edits, it appears as if Shutterbug's session expired or forgot to log in, revealing an IP address which is subsequently replaced with Shutterbug's signature in one edit (the other one is a modification of Shutterbug's user page). One edit is from Dec 9, 2008 by 205.227.165.151 (talk) and the other occurring on May 9, 2007 by 205.227.165.244 (talk) (resolves to ws.churchofscientology.org). Both IPs are within the same class C range, which is owned by the Church of Scientology International.

Misou used Church of Scientology-owned IP/s, and blocked for using open proxies

During January 2008, Misou (a confirmed sockpuppet on Misplaced Pages) was found by a checkuser on Wikinews to be using open proxies as well as multiple IPs owned by the Church of Scientology (Misou was subsequently blocked). In addition, as recently as Oct 21, 2008 Shutterbug was blocked from Wikinews for "disruptive behavior" and "Block evasion via proxies".

Additional edits by Church of Scientology-owned IPs are mostly limited to Scientology-related articles

Historically, four more known Scientology-owned IPs performed edits to English Misplaced Pages. These edits were almost entirely limited to Scientology-related pages; See 205.227.165.14 (talk • whois), 205.227.165.11 (talk • whois), 63.199.209.133 (talk • whois), and 63.199.209.131 (talk • whois).

Little evidence of willingness to contribute outside of Category:Scientology

As seen in the Wannabe Kate tool, Shutterbug and Misou have had virtually no edits outside of Scientology-related articles. This would not normally be as much of a concern; however due to the IP evdience presented above, a conflict an interests is indicative.

Original ArbCom restrictions did not address the root of the issue

Although the original evidence presented indicated that there was indeed overlapping ip address usage belonging to a specific group of editors appearing to have a conflict of interest and strongly pushing a particular POV favorable to their organization, the affected editors continue to make destructive edits unabated. Since the first ArbCom filing, the pov-pushing (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10), assumption of bad faith, (11, 12), and removal of reliably-sourced material (13, 14, 15, 16) has continued. Additionally, see these diffs which lead up to Misou's blocking on English Wikinews: (17, 18, 19, 20, 21)

(1) Some diffs shown above were taken from English Wikinews, all occurring after the closure of the original ArbCom case. They are displayed here to illustrate certain destructive editing patterns which are at the root of the broader problem.

Addendum: Scientology-owned websites linked to on English Misplaced Pages

I completely agree that objective secondary sources (i.e. print and academic) should be relied upon rather than self-published websites. However, it must also be noted that the extent to which official (primary sources) Scientology pages are linked to on English Misplaced Pages is not insignificant. The succinct difference between these primary-source sites and the critical sites is that they are more spread out among hundreds of domains, rather than being highly focused on a handful of critical sites (xenu.net, lermanet, scientology-lies, etc). Although taken individually the links are of little concern, the result as a whole is quite staggering _{(Note: Results may be slightly skewed because results do not exclude non-mainspace edits. Also, these statistics are valid as of the time of this writing and may be subject to change at any time.):}

←Spidern→ 02:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Jayen466

Generic problems in Scientology articles

Primary sources

Many articles rely on primary sources. Examples:

• Church of Scientology International – all PS – most of the reflinks are dead
• Religious Technology Center – almost all PS – many links are dead
• Doctrine of Exchange – PS or poor sources like "scientology-lies.com" (I am not joking)
• Supernatural abilities in Scientology doctrine – almost all Hubbard
• Medical claims in Scientology doctrine
• Space opera in Scientology scripture – etc.

Use of anti-Scientology websites as sources

WP has 1400+ links to private anti-Scientology websites – a regular flashpoint in the past.

Use of poor sources in BLPs

The second para in this section ("In 1983 ...") is sourced to an affidavit. Taken to BLP/N, discussed and edit-warred over many times, ultimately retained. Inclusion defended by many editors, even though none could name a reliable published source picking this up, beyond anti-Scientology newsgroups and websites. Should we not mirror the most reliable published sources in BLPs, rather than detractors' websites?

User:Cirt

One of the two AE threads that led to this arbitration raised concerns over some recent edits by Cirt; this is a summary of evidence I added at AE, plus a few similar cases.

Misrepresenting sources

"Scientology sex lessons" in Scientology and sex (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cirt inserted that it was "reported that Scientology has 'sex lessons' which can be given to couples", while the source cited did not make a statement about the Scientology religion, but merely quoted a report that two prominent Scientologists had used the services of an "intimate relationship guide".

Diffs: / / / (rmv by Justallofthem) / (rvt by Cirt) / (rmv again by Jayen466)

Related discussion.

"Thousands of booklets sent to cities" in The Way to Happiness (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cirt inserts a paragraph saying

"The Way to Happiness Foundation agreed to stop sending copies of the booklet to certain cities in Florida" ... "The organization had sent thousands of unsolicited copies of the booklet to Florida cities including Highland Beach and Boca Raton. Each booklet had the name of the mayor on the front, and the town's address on the back, asking the reader to contact town hall with any questions."

The cited source mentions nowhere that the booklet was sent "to cities". According to the source, individual officials received unsolicited copies with their name on them (in the manner in which some companies send you personalised pens with your name and address on them). The officials had the choice of either distributing the booklets or discarding them, making it their decision to which extent their cities were exposed to this material.

"Melton cites the book for "insight" into the Scientology controversy" in The Scandal of Scientology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cirt inserts the wording "Melton cites the book for insight into the Scientology controversy". This apparent endorsement of Cooper's The Scandal of Scientology, by a renowned scholar who himself has written one of the most sympathetic books about Scientology (The Church of Scientology, ISBN 1560851392), misrepresents the scholar and is unduly flattering to Cooper's book. What Melton actually says is, "For insight into the controversy, see Paulette Cooper, The Scandal of Scientology, and the church's refutation, False Report Correction/The Scandal of Scientology by Paulette Cooper." Cirt dropped the second half of the sentence from the quote given in the ref. Thus Melton did not say that reading the book gives "insight" into the Scientology controversy; he said, for insight into the controversy that occurred 35 years ago, go and read both the book and its refutation. Not the same thing at all.

"When citing Operation Clambake as a reference in their 2003 book Understanding New Religious Movements" in Operation Clambake (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cirt claims to be rectifying "selective use" of a source, but ends up misrepresenting it. See the sentence preceding footnote 61 at the bottom of page 143, and the text of footnote 61 on page 163. OC was not "cited as a reference", it was given as a countermovement example.

Using poor sources

"In Scientology the focus is on sex. Sex, sex, sex."

Penthouse/Andrew Morton in Scientology and sex (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cirt inserted the quote box shown to the right here, based on an earlier edit. The statement cited was

1. made by Hubbard's estranged son;
2. originally published in Penthouse, a men's magazine;
3. later retracted;
4. cited to a source that remains unpublished in many English-speaking countries, as it risks falling foul of their libel laws (it also claims the interview was in Playboy rather than Penthouse and slightly rewords deWolfe's original comment to make it "punchier")
5. unrepresentative of prominent viewpoints on what Scientology focuses on, as published in the most reliable sources.

Subsequent discussion.

Blogtalkradio in David Miscavige (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cirt reverts WP:BLP-motivated deletion of claims sourced to blogtalkradio. Subsequent RfC initiated by Cirt results in source and allegation being dropped from the article. (The present article contains similar ad-hominem claims sourced to a podcast by Tom Smith – no idea if that fulfils BLP requirements either.)

Suggests use of a tabloid article quoting "an unnamed source" in David Miscavige (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Just for some light entertainment: See for an assessment of unnamed sources in The Sun. Note that Tilman (talk · contribs), responding, runs a prominent anti-Scientology website.

Giving inappropriate warnings

IP makes a good-faith edit, with a lucid edit summary drawing attention to a valid concern. The edit is reverted by another user, and the IP receives this warning from Cirt.

Opposing inclusion of scholarly sources in articles related to Scientology

Anson Shupe

Cirt has several times tried to exclude Anson Shupe as a reliable source from WP articles related to Scientology, describing him as a “collaborator”.

Assessing sources according to POV, not according to reliability

Cirt is of the opinion that Scientology’s primary sources (Scientology websites, Hubbard’s books) should not be used in Scientology-related articles. I agree and have said so before: . Our descriptions of Scientology beliefs should be based on scholarly or other sources considered RS on religious matters.

However, Cirt’s actual approach is selective, depending on whether Scientology sources are likely to paint the religion in a good or a bad light. There are also contradictions between Cirt's statements in public and her or his actual editing actions. E.g., in the AfD for Scientology and Sex, Cirt said that content sourced to primary sources should be “pruned”. When some time later I brought the matter up on Cirt's talk page and the article talk page, Cirt was extremely reluctant to remove any of the primary-source material at all:

Cirt defended the use of a self-published piece on an anti-Scientology website, saying the site was “not an attack site”: The site’s title is “Exposing the con”: Scholarly opinion is that such sites are a propaganda effort presenting a caricature, rather than reliable information.

Writing BLPs of individual Scientologists that are in questionable taste

• The BLP of John Carmichael (Scientologist) is almost all Cirt's work – it seems to be in poor taste, almost a taunt. Not my idea of an encyclopedic BLP.

Evidence presented by Crotalus horridus

Misplaced Pages articles on Scientology rely excessively on personal web pages and other unreliable sources

Misplaced Pages has a grossly excessive number of external links to unreliable personal web pages on Scientology. These include:

• 374 links to Operation Clambake
• 222 links to Lermanet
• 122 links to "whyaretheydead.net"

More examples could be given. Some of these links are being used as sources, despite the fact that they fail the policies and guidelines for reliability. Others are used as "convenience links" — many of which are copyright violations. A quick perusal of the Xenu and Lermanet link searches will show links to numerous articles that have been reproduced without permission. I am NOT referring to their so-called "sacred scriptures" or anything like that, I mean normal news articles from mainstream sources that have been reproduced and are being linked to in blatant violation of WP:LINKVIO. See ref.19 of Operation Snow White, ref.2 of Ronald DeWolf, ref.45 of Religious Technology Center, and too many others to count.

Many of our external links to these personal web sites would probably be considered spam in most other contexts.

Excessive reliance on primary sources

Excessive reliance on primary sources is another major weakness of Scientology-related articles. Religious Technology Center, for instance, seems to consist of about 90% primary references, with only limited secondary material. As per WP:PRIMARY, it is "easy to misuse" primary sources and engage in original research, perhaps inadvertently; consequently, such sources should be used "with care." I do not think due care has been used in many cases. For instance, many of the Hubbard references in Space opera in Scientology scripture are almost certainly original research since they do not mention "space opera" and this connection has been made by Misplaced Pages editors.

Some articles appear to have been deliberately written with an anti-Scientology POV

This featured article nomination is an embarrassment to Misplaced Pages. The comments make it clear that the purpose of featuring this article was to showcase a particular POV. This kind of politicization of the featured content process is a clear violation of Misplaced Pages's core policies.

There is no shortage of reliable sources on Scientology, including criticisms

A quick perusal of Google Books shows there are plenty of sources on Scientology, including many which are peer-reviewed. Notable criticisms, such as the excessive copyright claims of Scientology and their litigiousness, have been discussed in reliable sources such as books by mainstream publishing houses, and articles from reliable newspapers and newsmagazines.

For instance this Google Books search on "Religious Technology Center" (an article which we currently have sourced almost entirely to primary material) has plenty of reliable references, including many books on copyright issues where the controversy regarding "secret" scriptures has been explicitly discussed. See, for instance, this Google Books result, a book on cyber-law by our very own Mike Godwin, published by a university press.

We have no need to fall back on biased, unreliable personal webpages.

Some narrow Scientology subtopics might be hard to reference from reliable, secondary sources. If that is the case, we shouldn't have those articles at all; we delete "fancruft" and other material on the same grounds all the time. If no reliable third parties ever discussed a particular topic, then how important is it, really?

Evidence presented by GoodDamon

Many of the arguments above against certain sources are valid, although this is the wrong forum for those arguments. Links to strongly POV sites such as Operation Clambake and whyaretheydead.net are definitely out of bounds, and would not pass muster with WP:RS/N. I don't dispute that, I don't think Cirt disputes that -- I hope he doesn't, at any rate -- and wholeheartedly agree that they should be purged from the articles and replaced with properly reliable sources. But that is not a matter for an ArbCom report until after the reliability of those sources has been formally determined, and as far as I know, that process was never followed.

Similarly, arguments about scholarly resources such as Anson Shupe should have gone to RS/N. I find myself going back and forth on their reliability, for several reasons, including their direct fiduciary relationships with the Church of Scientology. That probably does not trump their credentials, and they certainly have been published by high-quality publishers, but it is definitely worth exploring.

If Cirt, or any other user, has been pushing bad sources for POV reasons, that needs to be dealt with, but from what I've seen in the diffs above the behavior has mostly been exclusionary of sources such as Shupe. Again, this is the sort of thing that should have gone to RS/N.

There are three distinct issues here.

• Content issues that should have been reported to RS/N.
• Single-purpose, conflict-of-interest editing by accounts that are apparently controlled by the Church of Scientology.
• Civility.

Content issues.

Whether I feel the content issues would have been better handled at RS/N or not, they are here now and need to be dealt with. We need to determine with some sort of finality whether and which critical sites can be used, who does and does not count as a scholarly source, and so forth. And it needs to be binding. One thing we must absolutely establish: No Church of Scientology-owned sites. They far outnumber critical websites as used for sources, so complaints about a few xenu.net references pale in comparison.

And on further thought, this is not something to go after Cirt for. ANYONE could have brought concerns about an included or excluded source to RS/N, and didn't. Yes, there are problems with sources, but why didn't anyone, ever, bring any of these sources to the appropriate noticeboard? --GoodDamon 20:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

SPA, COI editing

But more importantly, by far, is dealing with the issue of Church-connected accounts once and for all. The as yet evidence-less claim of a shared proxy that somehow only ever edits articles relating to Scientology, if accepted at face value, essentially renders WP:SOCK a nonviable, unenforceable policy. It opens the door for any sockpuppet to make similar claims. We need to say, once and for all, whether we are making an exception to WP:SOCK in this case, and we need to say why.

Civility

Shutterbug

This is taken from the original incident report I filed:

In this edit, I decried the sudden battling over the Scientology article after months of calm, and accurately described a particular inappropriate edit performed by a different user. In response, Shutterbug said "Let's talk and no personal attacks, please." As I had not made one, and I didn't appreciate the accusation, I asked Shutterbug to retract it, and asked again on the user's talk page. The response speaks for itself.

Misou

I was not pleased to see Misou's recent return in particular, because this account has had very bad civility issues in the past, enough that at one point I was preparing a report about it. While the evidence below is now fairly old, I think it establishes why seeing this account return at the same time as Shutterbug worried me.

Examples of Misou attacking other editors

• Misou attacks Foobaz.
• Misou misrepresents a discussion about a new section Anynobody added.
• Misou attacks me, GoodDamon, shortly after I had complimented Misou and others for working together to make a good, neutral change to an article, a change which involved me undertaking to write an entirely new article for Misplaced Pages.
• Misou attacks Stan En during the discussions leading to the good change I describe above.
• Misou reverts the removal of a reference that wasn't actually related to the article text, and attacks me, GoodDamon, explicitly while doing so. In fairness, a later edit of the article text provided a basis for reintroducing the reference, but at the time, the text didn't support the reference.

Odd attacks - using German?

Misou sometimes adds German to statements he makes to editors who edit at apparent cross-purposes to him. For example, here he adds German to a question he asks of Jeffrey.Kleykamp. I've seen this behavior fairly frequently. It appears he is equating some editors with Germans in an insulting manner.

Examples of Misou intentionally misrepresenting Misplaced Pages rules for his benefit

• Misou describes a critical website as a "private hate site" as a reason to remove references to it.
• Misou describes a critical website as a "private hate site" again, and states incorrectly that it violates WP:EL.
• Misou reverts the addition of new material as vandalism, although it's demonstrably properly ref'd material.

Note: For the record, after some discussion I supported the removal of the section until balancing material could be located, as it did portray the subject of the article in a very negative light. But the references were sterling, and should never have been reverted as vandalism. This would also qualify as an attack on the editor who added the material, Anynobody.

• Misou reverts the removal of references he added that had nothing to do with the Church of Scientology, and again misidentifies the edit as vandalism.
• Misou deletes wide swaths of well-referenced material with this explanation: "Sorry Chris, this is just not part of regualar Scientology teachings but some druggies' wet dreams." He does not provide any other arguments for removing this material.

Examples of Misou making factually incorrect edits

• Misou replaces the word "journals" with the word "scripts", which has the effect of changing the apparent source of a Hubbard quote to a "script," as if it were in one of his works of fiction. The edit summary is also quite insulting.
• Misou removes a reference he describes as a "porn link farm", which it is not. In fairness, he later removes it again as "non-RS", which may be accurate.
• Misou removes text as unsourced, when it actually is. He is subsequently reverted.
• Misou removes fully-sourced text (I read the source article myself), calling it "unsourced and actually just a blunt lie."
• Misou reverts an edit that neutralized tone, and says "See, GoodD, you actually should read the refs. makes more sense then." I did read the refs. Misou's edit is incorrect.

Final thoughts

I am troubled by some of Cirt's edits, but not nearly so much as by the histories, combativeness, willingness to accept Church-owned sites as sources (while simultaneously railing against non-Church sites) and the single-minded purposes of accounts editing from Church of Scientology IP addresses. Issues they had with Cirt's rejection of certain sources pale in comparison. Had they been editing in good faith, a trip to RS/N would have resolved any issues. --GoodDamon 19:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by John254

Cirt's repeated WP:BLP violations

Cirt (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has added inadequately sourced controversial material concerning living persons to Misplaced Pages articles on several occasions, in egregious violation of Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material. Please see and in which Cirt uses a blog, and the tabloid magazine New Idea, respectively, to make controversial claims concerning living persons. One of the very sources that Cirt cites in his edit describes New Idea as one of "the celebrity gossip weeklies". Furthermore, Cirt used the tabloid magazine as a source after the conclusion of an RFC as a result of which he conceded that a blog does not constitute a reliable source for the purpose of making controversial claims concerning a living person. John254 23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Cirt's prior accounts

Cirt (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) was previously User:Smeelgova, an account which was renamed to User:Smee . He was blocked seven times for edit warring largely related to new-age religious groups under both accounts, as chronicled in their block logs . At the time Cirt was granted adminship, he refused to disclose the identities of his prior accounts. Moreover, the deletion of the prior accounts' talk pages served to further conceal Cirt's misconduct at the time of his RFA, even from users who were aware of his prior identity. John254 23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Cirt

Initial statement by Cirt

I have responded already to many of the issues brought up on this evidence page in the closed-WP:AE thread (, , , , , , , , ). It should be noted that in some instances at RFC discussions I actually agree with those individuals such as Justallofthem (talk · contribs) that I have come into disagreements with in the past. It should also be noted that historically I have started RFCs in order to resolve content disputes, such as here at David Miscavige, later closing the RFC against my own prior position here, deferring to community consensus on the issue as is appropriate after a content-RFC. See also an example from another Scientology-related article, The Profit. An editor was adding inappropriate links to the external links section of the article. I started a RFC, and later closed it after receiving definitive comments from two previously uninvolved editors who supported my position.

Ideally there would be no need for apologies. We all have our strengths and our weaknesses, though, and I am better at content work than at talk page and noticeboard interaction. Occasionally I articulate a valid concern via the wrong rationale. Usually I contact Durova and show her a draft before posting if I'm unsure how my words will go across in talk and project space. She has little interest in Scientology but she knows and cares a great deal about Misplaced Pages and she's tough. This time I contacted her after the fact (and believe me, she got exceptionally tough). At a less contentious subject it would hardly have been a bone of contention: I would have posted a correction, possibly opened a WP:RSN thread, and the matter would have gotten a quiet resolution.

At this subject, though, good faith is in short supply and an AE thread opened when dialog would have been better. For my own part I am quite sorry to have inadvertently added another straw to an overburdened camel's back. I hope fellow editors and the Committee accept in good faith that after 11 featured articles and 31 good articles, many of which relate to new religious movements, I really have left behind the edit warrior I used to be two years ago. It seems some people are eager to exploit any misstep whatsoever to scare the community into supposing that the bogeyman has finally returned. Well whatever the bogeyman is, I'm not him, and I really am dedicated to getting it right. Cirt (talk) 23:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: Additional confirmations in COFS checkuser case

Coincident IP usage of selected Scientology-related editors.

Account	ws.churchofscientology.org	hostnoc.net IP in PA	IP in Munich	IP in Berlin	different IP in Munich	ns1.scientology.org	your-freedom.net	open proxy in Asia
COFS (now Shutterbug)	Confirmed	Confirmed	-	-	-	Confirmed	Confirmed	Confirmed
CSI LA	Confirmed	Confirmed	-	-	-	-	Confirmed	-
Misou	Confirmed	Confirmed	Confirmed	Confirmed	Confirmed	-	Confirmed	-
Makoshack	Confirmed	Confirmed	-	-	-	-	Confirmed	-
Grrrilla	-	-	-	Confirmed	Confirmed	Confirmed	Confirmed	-
Su-Jada	-	-	-	-	-	Confirmed	-	-
Proximodiz	-	-	-	-	-	Confirmed	-	-
TaborG	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Confirmed
Derflipper	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Confirmed
Shrampes	-	-	-	-	-	-	Confirmed	-

Evidence confirming above

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/COFS - Evidence presented by Jpgordon

Cirt (talk) 04:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Cirt's contributions

Contributions that reflect favorably upon Scientology

It has been alleged that my contributions are exclusively anti-Scientology, but that is not true. All of the following articles are contributions that reflect positively on Scientology and/or its founder, L. Ron Hubbard.

• To the Stars (album) - brought to DYK, GA
• To the Stars (novel) - brought to DYK, GA
• Buckskin Brigades - brought to DYK
• Castle Kyalami - brought to DYK
• Final Blackout - brought to DYK
• The Secret of Treasure Island - brought to DYK
• Space Jazz - brought to DYK

Cirt (talk) 02:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Evenhandedness

It has been asserted that I am blinded by prejudice. My actions demonstrate otherwise. A few examples follow of my responses to anti-Scientology disruption and canvassing.

• Richard Rolles - an anti-Scientology activist appeared and made inappropriate comments about Justallofthem,,, When the disruptive user began socking I filed 2 of 4 checkuser requests to put an end to the problem. Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Richard Rolles

• Talk:List of new religious movements - the article became subject to off-site canvassing by members of the group "Anonymous" in a disagreement about whether to characterize Scientology as a "extremist" or "supremacist" new religious movement. Justallofthem started a request for comment and I agreed with Justallofthem, opposing the Anonymous activists due to lack of proper sourcing for the position they were advocating.

• WillOakland - the user was being disruptive, adding unsourced controversial claims to Tom Cruise: An Unauthorized Biography, which relates to Scientology. After discussion with the editor failed to resolve the problem I opened an ANI thread to address the matter. WillOakland later admitted to being a sockpuppet of banned user Gazpacho.

Cirt (talk) 02:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Broad interests

I produce quality work on a variety of subjects (see User:Cirt/top). I have contributed a total of 11 featured articles, 31 good articles, 2 good topics, 47 DYK articles, and 14 featured portals. I am the most prolific contributor of featured portals at Misplaced Pages. Many of those are completely unrelated to Scientology and new religious movements, such as the two where Durova and I collaborated: Portal:Textile arts and Portal:Feminism.

Cirt (talk) 02:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional evidence

In addition to above, will post some evidence here below. Cirt (talk) 02:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by User:Shrampes

Multiple Accounts using multiple ISPs throughout more than two years

User:Cirt and confirmed WP:SPA User:Spidern seem to concentrate their criticism on where an editor seems to come from instead of presenting the kind and value of individual contributions. The evidence submitted is incomplete at best and misleading at worst. Incomplete because it leaves out the important factor of time and value of contributions, misleading because it mixes a variety of editors in one big pot. It follows a breakdown of all concerned editor's activities for review.

• "Last active" refers to last main space edits.
• "Scientology" refers to articles that are part of WikiProject Scientology.
• "SPA?" refers to edits on WikiProject Scientology pages vs other pages.
• Tool used: Wannabe Kate.

The above grid shows the undeniable existence of several WP:SPAs. It also shows that four out of 10 arbitrarily chosen editors are not active at all, three of them since more than 12 months.

Shrampes (talk) 22:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional Evidence

Additional research follows. Shrampes (talk) 22:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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