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This is a WP:POVFORK of Vladimir Putin in which information which is already present in the main article is cherry picked and placed in this article. As it is criticism it is never going to be possible to achieve WP:NPOV. Criticism should be covered in the main article, presented in an NPOV way, not in a POVFORK such as this. Russavia 12:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia 12:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia 12:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. No, we do not have most of this information in his BLP article. His BLP article is already too big and therefore should be divided to smaller pages (see WP:MOS). We currently have 10+ "criticism" of living person articles.Biophys (talk) 15:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Apart from your WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, the section Civil liberties and internal dissent is present at Vladimir_Putin#Criticism. Allegations of political assassinations and muzzling of reporters is present at Vladimir_Putin#Second_term_.282004_.E2.80.93_2008.29. Relations with "oligarchs" is present at Vladimir_Putin#Second_term_.282004_.E2.80.93_2008.29. Environmental concerns is present at Vladimir_Putin#Environmental_record. Bubble is not criticism (and hence I will remove it). Relations with former Soviet Republics is present at Vladimir_Putin#Foreign_policy. Personal wealth is present at Vladimir_Putin#Personal_wealth. And they are available word-for-word. Check it for yourself, Criticism of VVP article as of now; VVP article as of now. I have already started a clean-up of the VVP article, and will likely work on it more in the coming days, and it will be much reduced in size. That still does not address the fact that Criticism of Vladimir Putin is a WP:POVFORK, with identical content to the main article, which has been cherry picked by some editor, and which is not WP:NPOV, nor will it be POV...that is a major policy here on WP. --Russavia 16:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Also, to point out from Talk:Criticism_of_Vladimir_Putin, User:Ender78 states "I just copy-pasted the contents of the original article in creating this one, so that there'd be a place for fuller exploration of the contra- viewpoint."....as I said, it's been cherry-picked from the original article in order to create a WP:POVFORK. --Russavia 16:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Keep or merge. As per WP:POVFORK: "Since what qualifies as a "POV fork" is itself based on a POV judgement, do not refer to forks as "POV" except in extreme cases of persistent disruptive editing." Has there been "extreme cases of disruptive editing" in this case? If not the POV Fork argument has no merit
Further, criticism articles are common, and are not considered POVforks Criticism of Google, Criticism of Noam Chomsky, Criticism of Facebook, Criticism of Windows Vista, Criticism of Islamism, Criticism of Muhammad, Criticism of Christianity, Criticism of the Qur'an, Criticism of Wal-Mart, Criticism of Judaism, Criticism of atheism, Criticism of the Latter Day Saint movement, Criticism of government response to Hurricane Katrina, Criticism of Family Guy, Criticism of debt, Criticism of Greenpeace, Criticism of the BBC, Criticism of intellectual property, Criticism of Microsoft Windows, Criticism of Java, Criticism of Esperanto, Criticism of Hinduism, Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church, Criticism of social nudity, Criticism of the Bible, Criticism of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Criticism of Holocaust denial, Criticism of monotheism, Criticism of Windows XP, Criticism of Coca-Cola, Criticism of George W. Bush, Schopenhauer's criticism of the Kantian philosophy, Criticism of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, Criticism of the Iraq War, Criticism of college and university rankings (North America), Criticism of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Criticism of the War on Terrorism, Criticism of the Pledge of Allegiance, Criticism of Ultima Online, Criticism of libertarianism, Criticism of the Food and Drug Administration, Criticism of Blueprint Negev, Criticism of Torchwood, Support and criticism of Cindy Sheehan, Criticism of Ellen White, Criticism of fractional-reserve banking, Criticism of MTV, Criticism of YouTube, Criticism of the World Trade Organization, Criticism of Yahoo!, Criticism of Bill O'Reilly (political commentator), Criticism of The New York Times, Criticism of Human Rights Watch, Criticism of Amnesty International, Criticism of Linux, Criticism of Osama bin Laden, Category:Criticism of religion, Criticism of Adobe Flash, Criticism of sport utility vehicles, Criticism of Second Life, Criticism of recycling, Criticism of patents, Criticism of EDO Corporation, Schopenhauer's criticism of Kant's schemata, Category:Criticism of journalism, Criticism of the Space Shuttle program, Criticism of Buddhism, Criticism of Conservative Judaism, Criticism of non-standard analysis, Category:Criticism of Islam, Criticism of McDonald's, Category:Criticism of feminism, Category:Criticism of Mormonism, Criticism of marriage, Criticism of eBay, Category:Criticism of monotheism, Criticism of Sylvia Browne, Scientology controversies, Category:Criticism of atheism, Criticism of the 9/11 Commission, Criticism of NASCAR, Criticism of IPCC AR4, Digg, Criticism of ESPN, Criticisms of Objectivism (Ayn Rand), Criticism of Traian Băsescu, Criticism of the FRA law I could go on, wikipedia list 152 pages, but I think the point has been adequately made. travb (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for the long list of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And have you taken a look at them? How many of them have their neutrality disputed? (and rightly so). How many contain vast amounts of WP:OR. Or are absolute merge candidates? How many are full of any titbit taken from some newspaper on some non-notable topic? Should I go on? Because the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument is not valid. Every article has to be judged on its own merits, and that is why I have nominated this, instead of simply re-directing, for the reasons provided to Biophys above. --Russavia 17:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Delete. All Criticism of * articles are POV forks that should be deleted since all are deliberate attempts to circumvent NPOV, and frequently use biased sources. Misplaced Pages's purpose is not to characterize content positively or negatively, it's to present notable information in a neutral voice. If people want to read biased interpretations of people, places, events, theories, etc. then they can read biased media. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 18:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)